Dark Snow Project: Crowd-Source Funded Science for Greenland

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:03 PM GMT on April 26, 2013

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"There's no place on Earth that is changing faster--and no place where that change matters more--than Greenland." So said 350.org founder Bill McKibben, in a 2012 Rolling Stone magazine interview. As Earth Week 2013 draws to a close, I want to draw your attention to a unique effort to learn more about why Greenland is melting so fast--a crowd-funded research project that anyone can contribute to, which aims to answer the "burning question": How much does wildfire and industrial soot darken the ice, increasing melt? The Dark Snow Project, the first-ever Greenland expedition relying on crowd-source funding, hopes to raise $150,000 to mount a field research campaign to find out. The project is the brainchild of Dr. Jason Box, Professor at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland (GEUS), and one of the world's leading experts on Greenland's glaciers. He has set up a website called darksnowproject.org to help raise the funds for the field campaign, and has raised about half of the needed amount as of mid-April.


Figure 1. Over the course of several years, turbulent water overflow from a large melt lake carved this 60-foot-deep (18.3 meter-deep) canyon in Greenland's Ice Sheet (note people near left edge for scale). Image credit: Ian Joughin, University of Washington.

2012: Unprecedented melting in Greenland
Watching the weather events of 2012 over Greenland made all seasoned climate watchers a little queasy. The vast ice sheet on the island holds enough water to raise global sea levels by 7.36 meters (24.15 feet) were it all to melt, and the ice melt season of 2012 gave notice that an epic melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet may be underway. According to NOAA's 2012 Arctic Report Card, the duration of melting at the surface of the ice sheet in summer 2012 was the longest since satellite observations began in 1979, and the total amount of summer melting was nearly double the previous record, set in 2010 (satellite records of melting go back to 1979.) A rare, near-ice sheet-wide surface melt event melted 97% of the surface of Greenland's ice sheet on July 11 - 12. While a similar melt event at the summit occurred 1889, but the 1889 event has no basis in the instrumental record from coastal Greenland. It's instead likely that 2012 was Greenland's warmest summer in at least 863 years, since the medieval warm period (see http://www.meltfactor.org/blog/?p=677 and http://www.meltfactor.org/blog/?p=725). The incredibly warm temperatures have been blamed on highly unusual atmospheric circulation and jet stream changes, which were also responsible for 2012's unusually wet summer weather in England. It would not be a surprise if this sort of summer began occurring more often, since temperatures on top of the Greenland Ice Sheet have been rising six times faster than the global average during the past twenty years. A May 2013 Geophysical Research Letters paper by McGrath et al., "Recent warming at Summit, Greenland: Global context and implications", concluded that by 2025, there is a 50% chance of ice sheet-wide melt events happening annually. The ice sheet reached its darkest value on record in 2012. The darkened surface was due to below average summer snow, soot particles from pollution and forest fires, and record melting. A darker ice sheet absorbs more solar energy, in a vicious cycle that raises temperatures, melts more ice, and further darkens the ice sheet. The amount of melting that was caused by soot from forest fires is important to know, since global warming is likely to increase the amount of forest fires in coming decades. However, the amount of forest fire soot landing on the Greenland Ice Sheet is almost completely unknown, which is why Dr. Box is determined to find out, via the Dark Snow Project.


Figure 2. Smoke from a fire in Labrador, Canada wafts over the Greenland ice sheet on June 17, 2012, as seen in this cross-section view of aerosol particles taken by NASA's CALIPSO satellite. Image credit: Dr. Jason Box, Ohio State University.

Greenland causing 25% of global sea level rise
In a landmark study published in November 2012 in Science, 47 researchers from 26 laboratories reported that the amount of ice being lost from Greenland and Antarctica has tripled since the 1990s, with Greenland contributing more than twice as much to global sea level rise than Antarctica. The study, "A Reconciled Estimate of Ice-Sheet Mass Balance", found that the two ice sheets were responsible for 20% of the global sea level rise of 3.1 mm/year during the 20-year period 1992 - 2011. The remainder of the rise was due to expansion of the water due to heating of the oceans, melting of mountain glaciers, and unsustainable pumping of ground water. Said co-author Erik Ivins of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, "The pace of ice loss from Greenland is extraordinary, with nearly a five-fold increase since the mid-1990s." As of 2011, Greenland's contribution to global sea level rise on its own had risen to 20 - 25%, according to an international research group led by the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences, in an article published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters on 1 June 2012. If the current exponential ice loss trends continue for the next ten years, Greenland's contribution to sea level rise will double to 1.4 mm/yr by 2022, the researchers said. Many sea level rise researchers expect global sea level to rise by about 1 meter (3.3 feet) by 2100. During the 20th century, global sea level rise was about 0.18 meters (7 inches.)


Figure 3. Monthly smoothed (purple) and unsmoothed (blue) values of the total mass lost from the Greenland Ice Sheet (in Gigatons, Gt) from measurements by the GRACE satellites between March 2002-September 2012. An approximate equivalent global sea level rise figure is on the right axis. Note that the decline in ice mass lost from Greenland is not a straight line--it is exponential, meaning that more ice loss is lost each year than in the previous year. Image credit: 2012 Arctic Report Card.

Will Antarctica be more important than Greenland for sea level rise?
Although melting from Greenland is currently raising global sea level by about a factor of two more than Antarctica melting is, that situation may change later this century. A 2013 study by Dahl-Jensen et al. looked at a new ice core drilled from the bottom-most depths of the Greenland Ice Sheet. The core suggests that the ice in Greenland may have partially survived the warm Eemian period before the Ice Age, approximately 118,000 - 126,000 years ago, when Greenland temperatures were 5- 8°C warmer than present-day temperatures. Global sea level during the Eemian was 4 - 8 meters (13 - 26 ft) higher than the present sea level, and the scientists estimated that melting from Greenland was responsible for 2 meters (6.6 ft) of this sea level rise. This implies that Antarctica was responsible for 50 - 75% of global sea level rise during the Eemian, and thus we might expect Antarctica to take over as the dominant source of sea level rise later this century, when global temperatures may to rise to levels similar to those experienced during the Eemian.

Related posts
Greenland experiences melting over 97% of its area in mid-July (July 25, 2012)
Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet (July 18, 2012)
Unprecedented May heat in Greenland; update on 2011 Greenland ice melt (May, 2012)
Greenland update for 2010: record melting and a massive calving event

Dr. Jason Box's blog on Greenland and the Dark Snow Project is at http://www.meltfactor.org.

The http://www.greenlandmelting.com/ website looks like a great resource for following this year's melt progression in Greenland.


Video 1. Glaciologist Dr. Jason Box and 350.org founder Bill McKibben plug the Darksnow project in this January 2013 video by Peter Sinclair. There's some impressive footage of the record Greenland snow melt of summer 2012 sweeping away a 20-ton tractor that was attempting to repair a bridge washed out by the raging Watson River on July 11, 2012 in Kangerlussauaq, Greenland. The driver escaped unharmed.

Support the Dark Snow Project
One of Dr. Box's collaborators, photographer James Balog, who created the amazing time-lapse Greenland glacier footage in the fantastic 2012 "Chasing Ice" movie, puts it like this: "Working in Greenland these past years has left me with a profound feeling of being in the middle of a decisive historic moment--the kind of moment, at least in geologic terms, that marks the grand tidal changes of history." On that note, I encourage you all to support the Dark Snow Project. Have a great weekend, everyone!

Dark Snow Project Expedition Plan 2013
Prepare and gather science equipment including a field spectrometer, snow and ice coring device, and snow metrics kit.

Travel to Iqualuit, on Baffin Island, Nunavut from home locales in California, Ohio, Michigan, Vermont and rendezvous with Dash-6 "Twin Otter" ski-equipped airplane and flight crew.

Organize cold weather survival kit.

Ferry team from Iqualuit to Kangerlussuaq, Greenland.

Fly to and land at sampling sites high on the inland ice sheet.

At each site collect snow samples from a snow pit and obtain snow cores to a minimum depth of the previous year's snow surface, and record snow properties.

Transport of team and snow samples to Greenland's capital Nuuk, where the team will rest after hustling at field sites.

Return to Iqualuit, then to respective home locales to start the data analysis and reporting phase of campaign.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting allancalderini:
Mother nature sure is bipolar with you guys.Hbd wunderkidcayman hope you have an amazing birthday.


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As May arrives,the moisture will increase in PR and adjacent islands as the wet season kicks in.


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
324 PM AST SAT APR 27 2013

.SYNOPSIS...ZONAL FLOW WILL PREVAIL THROUGH THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
MODERATE TRADES WILL PREVAIL THRU MID NEXT WEEK THEN WEAKEN AS
WEAK BROAD LOW DEVELOPS OVER THE BAHAMAS.

&&

.DISCUSSION...MODELS INDICATE ZONAL FLOW AND MODERATE TRADE WINDS
THROUGH MID NEXT WEEK BASICALLY RESTRICTING MOISTURE RETURN INTO
THE REGION BUT EXPECT SCATTERED SHOWERS TO DEVELOP EACH AFTERNOON
AIDED BY DAYTIME HEATING AND INSTABILITY. NEXT WEEKEND...MODELS
SHOW A DEEP LAYERED SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW DEVELOPING OVER THE AREA
ADVECTING RICH MOISTURE INTO THE AREA. SO EXPECT A CLOUDY AND
SHOWERY WEEKEND NEXT WEEK.

&&

.AVIATION...BRIEF MVFR/IFR CONDITIONS POSSIBLE IN THE AFTERNOON AS
MODERATE TO LOCALLY HEAVY SHOWERS AFFECT PORTIONS OF PR AND THE
USVI...HOWEVER THE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BE MOSTLY VFR.
TJPS...TJMZ...AND TISX MAY OBSERVE MODERATE SHRA THIS
AFTERNOON...ESPECIALLY TJPS. CONDITIONS EXPECTED TO IMPROVE
OVERNIGHT LEAVING ONLY ISOLD PASSING SHOWERS. WINDS WILL DECREASE
OVERNIGHT...REMAINING FROM THE EAST NORTHEAST AT 10 KNOTS OR LESS.


&&

.MARINE...BUOY 41043 INDICATED NORTHEAST SWELLS PEAKED AT 10 FT 17
SECS AT 18Z AND USING SWELL DECAY NOMOGRAMS YIELDS 9 FT 18 SEC
SWELLS ON THE COAST AND WITH A 45 DEG DIRECTION RESULTS IN 8 TO 12
FT BREAKERS. ALTHOUGH IT IS BORDERLINE...THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT
SWELL EVENT FOR THIS LATE IN THE YEAR WHICH COULD ALSO BE
CONSIDERED AN OUT OF SEASON SWELL EVENT. GIVEN THAT SWELLS THESE
HIGH ARE TYPICALLY NOT EXPECTED FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR DECIDED
TO ISSUE A HIGH SURF ADVISORY TO ALERT PEOPLE TO HIGHTENED ROUGH
SURF CONDITIONS.


&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
SJU 74 85 75 85 / 20 20 20 20
STT 75 85 76 85 / 10 10 20 20
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Found this gem from 2005. Looks like wxmod was right all along.

IDAHO FALLS, Idaho (AP) — An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack — and that this technology will soon be wielded again to hit another U.S. city.
Meteorologist Scott Stevens, a nine-year veteran of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, said he was struggling to forecast weather patterns starting in 1998 when he discovered the theory on the Internet. It's now detailed on Stevens' website, www.weatherwars.info, the Idaho Falls Post Register reported.

Stevens, who is among several people to offer alternative and generally discounted theories for the storm that flooded New Orleans, says a little-known oversight in physical laws makes it possible to create and control storms — especially if you're armed with the Cold War-era weapon said to have been made by the Russians in 1976. Stevens became convinced of the existence of the Russian device when he observed an unusual Montana cold front in 2004.

"I just got sick to my stomach because these clouds were unnatural and that meant they had (the machine) on all the time," Stevens said. "I was left trying to forecast the intent of some organization rather than the weather of this planet."

Stevens said oddities in Hurricane Katrina storm patterns underpin his theory.

And, according to his website, so does the fact that Katrina and Ivan — the name given to a destructive hurricane that hit Florida in September 2004 — both sound Russian.

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Quoting pottery:
In the meantime, it's still raining.....

This is exceedingly peculiar weather for April. 1.5" for the day.
It really feels like June.

Looks like you finally got some of the heavy stuff,i'm up to 2.9 inches since 8am.
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MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD 241 PM EDT SAT APR 27 2013 VALID APR 27/1200 UTC THRU MAY 01/0000 UTC ...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR INGEST... ...EVALUATION OF THE 12Z CMC/UKMET/ECMWF ALONG WITH FINAL PREFERENCES/FORECAST CONFIDENCE... THERE DID NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY INITIALIZATION ERRORS WITH THE 12Z NAM/GFS DEEMED SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO IMPACT THEIR FORECASTS. ..UPPER/SURFACE LOW INITIALLY OVER THE LOWER MISSOURI VALLEY ...SLOW-MOVING OPEN WAVE LATER TRACKING THROUGH THE OH VALLEY/MID-ATLANTIC... FINAL PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/00Z ECMWF FORECAST CONFIDENCE: ABOVE AVERAGE AS THE UPPER LOW EVOLVES MORE INTO AN OPEN WAVE LATER THIS WEEKEND...THE 12Z NAM/GFS HAVE TRENDED A BIT DEEPER ALOFT WITH THE CORE OF THE LOW CENTER WHILE BEING MORE PROGRESSIVE/LESS AMPLIFIED WITH THE OVERALL TROF. RELATIVE TO OTHER MODELS...MODEL SPREAD IS NOT REALLY NOTED UNTIL ABOUT 29/0000Z. THE 12Z NAM/09Z SREF MEAN HAVE A BROADER AXIS OF MID-LEVEL ENERGY ACROSS THE LOWER OH VALLEY WHILE THE REMAINING GUIDANCE SUGGESTS A MORE COMPACT WAVE SHOULD EXIST OVER THE UPPER OH VALLEY/LOWER GREAT LAKES. THE SYSTEM GRADUALLY BEGINS TO SHEAR OUT OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC ON MONDAY WITH THE 12Z NAM STILL LOOKING LIKE THE MINORITY SOLUTION. IN GENERAL...WILL FAVOR THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF GIVEN THEIR GOOD CONTINUITY WITH ONE ANOTHER AND SIMILARITY TO THE NON-09Z SREF ENSEMBLE MEANS. ..WEAK SHORTWAVE CROSSING NEW ENGLAND THIS AFTERNOON FINAL PREFERENCE: A GENERAL MODEL COMPROMISE FORECAST CONFIDENCE: HIGH GIVEN THE IMPACTS FROM THE SYSTEM OCCUR EARLY ON DAY 1...NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES WERE NOTED IN THE NAM/GFS. FURTHER...MODEL AGREEMENT EXISTS ACROSS THE BOARD SO A GENERAL MODEL COMPROMISE IS THE PREFERENCE. ...PAIR OF SYSTEMS WITHIN A LONGWAVE TROF AFFECTING WESTERN/CENTRAL CANADA AND THE CENTRAL U.S... ..ATTENDANT SURFACE LOW/FRONTAL BOUNDARIES FINAL PREFERENCE: BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF FOR THE LEAD SYSTEM...AND A 12Z ECMWF/00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN FOR THE LATTER TROF (2/3 TOWARD THE 12Z ECMWF) FORECAST CONFIDENCE: AVERAGE AND THEN BELOW AVERAGE WITH THE LEAD SHORTWAVE CROSSING SASKATCHEWAN/MANITOBA LATE SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY...MOST OF THE NAM CONTINUITY ISSUES ARE ACROSS CANADA. WITH THAT SAID...THE 12Z NAM IS QUITE A BIT WEAKER/LESS AMPLIFIED AT 500-MB ACROSS NORTHERN MANITOBA WITH LESS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. MEANWHILE...THE 12Z GFS HAS TRENDED IN THE SLOWER DIRECTION ALOFT AND AT THE SURFACE. LOOKING DOWNSTREAM AT THE NEXT SYSTEM...THE 12Z NAM IS SLOWER WITH THE PROGRESSION OF THE UPPER TROF...PARTICULARLY RELATIVE TO THE 00Z RUN...WITH A WEAKER SURFACE LOW CROSSING MANITOBA AND INTO WESTERN ONTARIO. AS FOR THE GFS...THE GENERAL IDEA HAS BEEN TO SHIFT TO A MORE AMPLIFIED 500-MB SOLUTION COMPARING THE LAST THREE RUNS HEIGHT FIELDS. AS WAS THE CASE THE PAST TWO DAYS...THE 12Z NAM/GEFS MEAN AND 09Z SREF MEAN ARE QUICKER THAN THE OTHER GUIDANCE WITH THE FIRST SHORTWAVE. THE SPREAD IS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT WITH THE SECOND SYSTEM WITH THE 12Z NAM/09Z SREF MEAN LEADING THE WAY AS BEING THE FASTEST MODELS. ON THE CONTRARY...THE 12Z ECMWF/CMC AND 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN ARE THE FURTHEST WEST SOLUTIONS WITH ALL THE OTHER MODELS MUDDLED IN THE MIDDLE. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THE COMBO OF THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF/CMC ARE SOUTHWEST OF THE ENSEMBLE MEANS. IN FACT...THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF IS DISPLACED IN THIS SOUTHWESTERN DIRECTION FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE MEANS. WITH THAT SAID...THE 552-DM SPAGHETTI PLOTS INDICATE THIS DETERMINISTIC SOLUTION IS PLAUSIBLE. GIVEN THIS AND THE FACT THE CMC TRENDED TOWARD A MORE SOUTHWESTERN UPPER TROF...WILL INCORPORATE 2/3 OF THE 12Z ECMWF VERSUS 1/3 OF THE MEAN TO ACCOUNT FOR UNCERTAINTY. MEANWHILE...A 12Z GFS/ECMWF COMBINATION WILL BE UTILIZED BY WPC FOR THE INITIAL SHORTWAVE. ...MODEL TREND GRAPHICS AT WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.SHTML... ..500 MB FORECASTS AT WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Last year we couldn't get enough of the 80's and 90's.This spring?..cold won't go away.
Mother nature sure is bipolar with you guys.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

lol hoorah
Hbd wunderkidcayman hope you have an amazing birthday.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Last year we couldn't get enough of the 80's and 90's.This spring?..cold won't go away.


Wild Weather Swings May Be a Sign of Climate Change
Published: April 26th, 2013

This article is part of:
Six to See: Slideshow of the Week's Top Climate News
Published: April 27th, 2013
on "Climate Central" (I've just detected this site; interesting)

"Who We Are: An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the American public."


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I was wrong. Most southeast cities that had a freeze in May 1989 have had later freezes.
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
wunderkidcayman you probably know about this but if not I think you'll like it.

Duffel Blog


yes I do and yeah I like it
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Significant Tornaod Parameter

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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:


Happy Birthday wunderkidcayman!

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Quoting Neapolitan:
The Southeastern US blues are back. Possible 30s/40s near Macon in May? Yeesh...

cpc

Of course, Macon has experienced temperatures in the 40s all the way into June. But still...


We'll see if it stays, no doubt though this is shaping up into being "the year without a spring" for a lot of Americans.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0563
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0155 PM CDT SAT APR 27 2013

AREAS AFFECTED...NRN/CNTRL MS...NWRN AL...WRN TN...ERN AR

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 271855Z - 272100Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...80 PERCENT

SUMMARY...SEVERE TSTMS SHOULD DEVELOP ACROSS PARTS OF THE MID-SOUTH
TOWARDS THE TN VALLEY BY LATE-AFTERNOON. A TORNADO AND PERHAPS A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH WILL BECOME NECESSARY AT SOME POINT..
.BUT
CONFIDENCE IS LOW ON TIMING OF WW ISSUANCE THIS AFTERNOON.
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Way to go Keep,

MesoWest Jurupa Valley CA US SGXWFO, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 11:49 AM PDT on April 27, 2013
Clear
81 °F
Clear
Humidity: 36%
Dew Point: 52 °F
Wind: 2 mph from the WSW
Wind Gust: 8.0 mph
Pressure: 30.05 in (Falling)
Heat Index: 80 °F
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 11 out of 16
Pollen: 6.20 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
Clouds:
Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 794 ft

78.1 here
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:


In May 1989 several southeast cities had their latest freeze. Buffalo NY had almost 8" of snow.
That's what it reminds me of..The 80's and 70's when the real "summer heat" wouldn't arrive until Memorial day.You could almost guarantee it.Well at least around here.
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Quoting SLU:

yup .. as they usually are pre-June.


The inverted v signature is not seen in a clear way there so far.
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Trinidad weather...

Temp 75F
Humid. 94%
Rainfall at airport 2.05"
Winds 6 mph ESE.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
The Southeastern US blues are back. Possible 30s/40s near Macon in May? Yeesh...

cpc

Of course, Macon has experienced temperatures in the 40s all the way into June. But still...


In May 1989 several southeast cities had their latest freeze. Buffalo NY had almost 8" of snow.
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Last year we couldn't get enough of the 80's and 90's.This spring?..cold won't go away.
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Looks like up to 5" of rain has fallen in parts of TN..
Hoping we can get a lot here in GA as well.
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Toronto Pearson Int'l Airport
Date: 3:00 PM EDT
Saturday 27 April 2013
Condition:Mainly Sunny
Pressure:30.3 inches
Tendency:falling
Visibility:15 miles
Temperature:62.6°F
Dewpoint:40.6°F
Humidity:44%
Wind:SSE 13 mph
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The Southeastern US blues are back. Possible 30s/40s near Macon in May? Yeesh...

cpc

Of course, Macon has experienced temperatures in the 40s all the way into June. But still...
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609. SLU
Quoting barbamz:


IMHO quite a wave:


It's either our 1st wave or a plume of moisture being drawn northwards by the large low pressure system near the Azores.
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In the meantime, it's still raining.....

This is exceedingly peculiar weather for April. 1.5" for the day.
It really feels like June.
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wunderkidcayman you probably know about this but if not I think you'll like it.

Duffel Blog
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606. SLU
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
SLU,here is that area you mentioned around 40W in a closeup. If that is a wave is very weak and low amplitude.



Loop

yup .. as they usually are pre-June.
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Quoting wunderkidcayman:

I'm alright lol today is my Birthday just finished rippin out a few grey hair strands out of my head
before that I was just reviewing Bday greets from my buddys at Camp Pendleton and Quantico and Brize Norton


Happy Birthday wunderkidcayman!
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Quoting Grothar:


OK, Stop complaining. The guys were a little late.

Happy birthday from all the troops, wunderkid.



lol hoorah
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:


I'm good and you?

I'm alright lol today is my Birthday just finished rippin out a few grey hair strands out of my head
before that I was just reviewing Bday greets from my buddys at Camp Pendleton and Quantico and Brize Norton
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Quoting wunderkidcayman:
Ok so far got bday greets from family close friends you guys my buddy's from the USMC the USAF the Royal Marines Commandos The RAF sadly nothing from my buds in US Army, British Army oh yeah I got my Bday greet from the Governor


OK, Stop complaining. The guys were a little late.

Happy birthday from all the troops, wunderkid.


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Quoting wunderkidcayman:

??? some reason you talking like that???


hmm thinkin same thing


He is Norwegian.
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guys a wonderful sea level rise site..on the left scroll the bar for what rise you want to see.....Link....................oh pick your city first
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Quoting Grothar:
Hei, Xandra. (Hvis du er her) Nå bloggen skriver til meg på norsk. LOL




??? some reason you talking like that???

Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
SLU,here is that area you mentioned around 40W in a closeup. If that is a wave is very weak and low amplitude.



Loop

hmm thinkin same thing
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
SLU,here is that area you mentioned around 40W in a closeup. If that is a wave is very weak and low amplitude.



Loop


IMHO quite a wave:
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Quoting wunderkidcayman:

hello BaltimoreBrian whats up


I'm good and you?
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No surprise, BN9 backed off the lower temperatures next week in response to the GFS dropping the cyclone off the coast.
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SLU,here is that area you mentioned around 40W in a closeup. If that is a wave is very weak and low amplitude.



Loop
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Hei, Xandra. (Hvis du er her) Nå bloggen skriver til meg på norsk. LOL



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what worries me more is, suppose we do get this sea level rise..say 3-4 feet...imagine what happens with a land falling hurricane!..how high is the sea level rise with a land falling hurricane on top of..the 3-4 foot normal risen sea?.......there's the real danger in all of this
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Washington DC and sea level rise..........Link
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Quoting washingtonian115:
What about D.C largo.I always wanted a beach front home :).
DC rtns from where it came a large vast swamp
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
TWIT
WIRE
IRON
TENT

hello BaltimoreBrian whats up
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:


I have a serious question. If/when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has a major collapse how fast will it happen? How long has it taken in the past? Do we know?

A week? 20 years?
DOC could probably give you a good answer on that.
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What about D.C largo.I always wanted a beach front home :).
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Quoting LargoFl:
Just imagine..the HUGE population shift occurring if sea levels rose that much..I do hope scientists around the world stop fussing around and come up with a way to halt total ice melt...sounds like science fiction huh..already they are talking about a 3 foot sea level rise in the near future..and whats to stop the melt from continuing?......now we see why..this issue is so important to all of us.


I have a serious question. If/when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has a major collapse how fast will it happen? How long has it taken in the past? Do we know?

A week? 20 years?
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Just imagine..the HUGE population shift occurring if sea levels rose that much..I do hope scientists around the world stop fussing around and come up with a way to halt total ice melt...sounds like science fiction huh..already they are talking about a 3 foot sea level rise in the near future..and whats to stop the melt from continuing?......now we see why..this issue is so important to all of us.
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Southern Louisiana needs a map with a bigger scale.
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.