A dramatic greening of the Arctic over the past 30 years

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:30 PM GMT on March 18, 2013

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A remarkable transformation in the vegetation of the Arctic has occurred over the past 30 years, according to a study of satellite data published on March 10, 2013, in Nature Climate Change. The authors found that Arctic vegetation growth and temperatures in 2011 resembled what occurred 250 - 430 miles farther to the south back in 1982. That's the approximate distance in latitude between San Francisco and San Diego, or Washington D.C. and Atlanta. More greening occurred in Eurasia than North America, and the Arctic's new greenness is visible on the ground as an increasing abundance of tall shrubs and trees. Large patches of vigorously productive vegetation now span a third of the northern landscape, an area about equal to the contiguous United States. "Higher northern latitudes are getting warmer, Arctic sea ice and the duration of snow cover are diminishing, the growing season is getting longer and plants are growing more," said co-author Dr. Ranga Myneni of Boston University's Department of Earth and Environment, in a NASA press release. "In the north's Arctic and boreal areas, the characteristics of the seasons are changing, leading to great disruptions for plants and related ecosystems." The changes in the Arctic's vegetation are being driven by human-caused global warming, which is occurring in the Arctic at more than double the rate of the rest of the planet. This so-called "Arctic amplification" is due, in part, to the increased melting of ice and snow near the pole. When ice and snow melt, they uncover darker surfaces underneath, which absorb more sunlight and increase Arctic temperatures in a vicious cycle which melts even more ice and snow. Using 17 climate models, the researchers predicted that a continuation of warming in the Arctic in coming decades could lead to over a 1300 mile latitudinal shift in Arctic vegetation zones by the year 2100, compared to the period 1951 - 1980. That's a distance greater than the north-south extent of the contiguous United States. However, more frequent forest fires, increased pest outbreaks, and summertime droughts due to a warming climate might slow down Arctic plant growth.


Figure 1. Of the 10 million square miles (26 million square kilometers) of northern vegetated lands, 34 to 41 percent showed increases in plant growth (green and blue), 3 to 5 percent showed decreases in plant growth (orange and red), and 51 to 62 percent showed no changes (yellow) over the past 30 years. Satellite data in this visualization are from AVHRR and MODIS. Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio.


Figure 2. Trees take hold as permafrost thaws near the Altai Mountains in Russia. Credit: Terry Callaghan, EU-Interact/Sergey Kirpotin, Tomsk State University.

Commentary
One often hears complaints that global warming may be greatly overestimated, due to many temperature sensors being located in increasingly urbanized areas where local "urban heat island" effects are not being properly considered. If this were true (and it isn't), then we would not expect to see "nature's thermometers"--plants and animals--change their behavior and ranges much. But plants and animals are responding in major ways to the warming climate, and the greening of the Arctic is merely one more example of "nature's thermometers" telling us that the planet is warming significantly. Some other examples:

Fall is falling back: During 1982 to 1999, the end of the growing season was delayed by 4.3 days in the Northern Hemisphere. During 2000 to 2008, the end of the growing season was further delayed by an additional 2.3 days. In the U.S., fall now occurs ten days later than it did 30 years ago.

Spring is springing forward: Spring events, like bird and butterfly migrations, flower blooming times, and frog mating, have been advancing by about three days per decade over the past 30 years.

Animals are changing migration patterns: New species have colonized previously ‘cool’ regions, including sea anemones in Monterey Bay, and lichens and butterflies in Europe. Over the past 50 years, maximum range shifts vary from 200 km (butterflies) to 1,000 km (marine copepods).

Related blog post: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners shows a warming climate

Dr. Myneni's petition to protect Earth from climate change
Professor Myneni of Boston University's Department of Earth & Environment, co-author of the greening Arctic study, has developed a simple one-sentence petition that he hopes one billion people will sign by Earth Day, 2014:

Dear Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon,

We, the People of the Earth, request You to act judiciously and expeditiously to protect the Earth from anthropogenic climate change.

Respectfully,
People of the Earth


The petition, which I have signed, is at: https://yourclimatechange.org/, and was recently featured by Discovery News.

Jeff Masters

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1041. Slamguitar
8:37 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Someone make this lake effect stop. I'm sick of it.
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1040. aspectre
7:04 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
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1039. Jedkins01
4:16 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Interestingly enough the dewpoint front passes through prior to the cold front....not sure what to make of it, but there is no more precip when it's still 70F back in alabama, since the moisture is all out east

dewpoints/cold front/ temperatures dont really line up








That happens very often especially in the deep south. Pre-frontal alignment of moisture pooling and convergence is pretty common actually.
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1038. PedleyCA
3:47 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


That would be the Exxon Refinery. Formally known as the Humble Oil Refinery. This was the world's largest refinery for many years. You can see the Exxon docks just to the northeast of the small island. You can also see the reflection pool for the San Jacinto Monument up towards the upper left of the photo. This marks the battle field where Texas won its independence from Mexico. The Battleship of Texas is berthed just above the reflection pool and along the edge of the river (Houston ship channel). Down at the very lower left corner of the photo is where scenes from the movie, "Hell Fighters", was filmed in 1968 and starred John Wayne.


Thank You for that extra bit of local knowledge. Took me awhile to find what you were talking about. But as soon as I found one, the other was obvious. Not many Battleships left and it is an honor to have one nearby.
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1037. AGWcreationists
3:32 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


The personal and political aspects of AGW/CC are only attempts to escape the reality of what the science tells us. Unfortunately, you are correct that personal and political ideologies have trumped what should be the logical approach to the problems that we ourselves have created for ourselves and to all that we hold to be moral truths.
Unless science can invent some equivalent of Tony Stark's arc reactor, the reality is that there are two sources of non-fossil-fuel energy that can generate intense enough energy for wide-scale transportation - nuclear and hydropower.

And nuclear got dinged by Fukushima and hydropower is limited geographically.

So the only real option is to reduce energy consumption significantly. Meaning less travel, smaller homes closer in to cities, smaller vacations, and generally less fun and activities.

And that becomes a political issue.
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1036. stormygace
3:29 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Nothing to see here folks - down aisle 1 for the mercury powder filled twisty lights (made in China of course) that cost a fortune and last not so long & aisle 5 has the suppository shaped Prius mobiles with the batteries that are just starting to poop out & add to groundwater contamination when they are dumped... just keep breeding beyond your means (financial and environmental) & whine for "someone" to bail you & yourn out... or make you rich as the case may be.
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1035. Some1Has2BtheRookie
3:23 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:
Tell me exactly how carbon emissions can be curtailed without a dramatic change to American lifestyles.

That is the true issue here. And the reason why it will be so difficult to reduce carbon emissions.

It goes beyond the realm of science into the personal and political.


The personal and political aspects of AGW/CC are only attempts to escape the reality of what the science tells us. Unfortunately, you are correct that personal and political ideologies have trumped what should be the logical approach to the problems that we ourselves have created for ourselves and to all that we hold to be moral truths.
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1034. 47n91w
3:22 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Heavy lake-effect snows today over the Wisconsin and western UP snowbelts today as cold air pours south from Canada and a trough sweeps around the backside of the departing low pressure system in the NE.US and E.Can.



The snows over the Penokee/Gogebic ranges (WI/MI border) are below the radar tilt and not showing up on KDLH's radar image.

Luckily I'm between the two heaviest bands today, but the winds are still blowing loose snow on the ground horizontally. This morning I had 15" of snow still on the ground and have received 68" total this winter, a few inches above average. On this date last year all the snow pack had melted already.



And just for fun, Wisconsin's average winter snowfall map. I wasn't able to readily find one for Michigan's UP:

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1033. AGWcreationists
3:19 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting ARiot:
An easy way to spot failure in a debate is when the side with little or no evidence identifies and attacks a person associated with the opposition.

It's really sad that otherwise intelligent, nice, well-meaning, good people can be hoodwinked into ignoring the basic science of AGW while they rely on the same science to get through the day.
It's even sadder when AGW proponents fail to call a leader in their movement to task for such rank hypocrisy.

At the end of the day, reducing carbon emissions is a political problem.

And Al Gore is a leader in the political movement for such.
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1032. stormygace
3:18 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:

You stubbornly resist the notion of leading by example, let alone its relevance.

While excusing away the rank hypocrisy of someone like Gore, who still makes many appearances and speeches about AGW and is still at the forefront of that movement.

While spewing carbon like a Chinese power plant.

Some example.

Like I said, if you truly believe that AGW is happening and is an imminent threat to humanity, you don't wait for government to force everyone into smaller carbon footprints.

You take all possible action on your own.

Something Al Gore and the AGW activists who fly thousands of miles to conferences clearly are not doing.

So who really has the belief problem here?

Me, a skeptic who has a very small carbon footprint?

Or AGW proponents who spew carbon nonetheless because cutting back on carbon would mean a small apartment in the city (instead of a nice house in the burbs) and fewer (or better yet, no) exotic vacations abroad?

Because that is what a smaller carbon footprint truly means.

A dramatic shift in the typical American way of life.

A way of life that Al Gore is living large in.

meh, to many of the "proponents" championing the dangers of "human caused global warming", their blatherings are nothing more than a way to a paycheck. So of course they have 3, 4, 5 kids - what comes out of their mouths is not intended for them or theirn. It's for the "other guy" (Heat for me but not for thee - remember that WH oopsie?)
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1031. AGWcreationists
3:16 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Are you choosing not to answer my question because you don't wish to, or because you can't? But I suppose it doesn't really matter; either way, I'll leave you to your seething dislike of Gore, and move on to far more important issues--such as the possible destruction of our civilization.

Take care!
And, BTW, I will put my carbon footprint up against yours any day of the week.

I've already done what AGW proponents think Americans should do to their lifestyles, and then some.

And I guarantee most Americans will not go down that road willingly.
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1030. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
3:15 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
1029. ARiot
3:14 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
An easy way to spot failure in a debate is when the side with little or no evidence identifies and attacks a person associated with the opposition.

It's really sad that otherwise intelligent, nice, well-meaning, good people can be hoodwinked into ignoring the basic science of AGW while they rely on the same science to get through the day.
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1028. FunnelVortex
3:13 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Skyepony:
FunnelVortex~ did you read Dr Masters' entry..It's the topic.

Science 8 March 2013:
Vol. 339 no. 6124 pp. 1198-1201
DOI: 10.1126/science.1228026

Report

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years

Shaun A. Marcott1,
Jeremy D. Shakun2,
Peter U. Clark1,
Alan C. Mix1

+ Author Affiliations

1College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR 97331, USA.
2Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA.

*To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: marcotts@science.oregonstate.edu

Abstract
Editor's Summary

Surface temperature reconstructions of the past 1500 years suggest that recent warming is unprecedented in that time. Here we provide a broader perspective by reconstructing regional and global temperature anomalies for the past 11,300 years from 73 globally distributed records. Early Holocene (10,000 to 5000 years ago) warmth is followed by ~0.7°C cooling through the middle to late Holocene (<5000 years ago), culminating in the coolest temperatures of the Holocene during the Little Ice Age, about 200 years ago. This cooling is largely associated with ~2°C change in the North Atlantic. Current global temperatures of the past decade have not yet exceeded peak interglacial values but are warmer than during ~75% of the Holocene temperature history. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change model projections for 2100 exceed the full distribution of Holocene temperature under all plausible greenhouse gas emission scenarios.


And that somehow excuses Nea's behavior?
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1027. stormygace
3:13 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Please define an "over breeder", as I'm not sure how that fits into a discussion on climate change. Thanks.


More people = more carbon emissions, according to the gospel of human caused global warming, no?

Therefore, among the enlightened, breeding (especially more than one's replacements) constitutes a direct measureable attack on poor old Gia. Who would call for all kinds of taxes and legislation for the minions to be "greener" so as to "save" the environment but over breed one's own (and then tote/drive/cart/fly them all over)? Who would do such a thing & then claim offsets like those butt ugly Prius or the ecohazard Chinese lightbulbs? Who?
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1026. FunnelVortex
3:12 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:
I think she means someone who has more than two kids.

And more kids means more carbon. Especially in wealthier segments of America, with larger homes and more air travel and more ferrying the kids to after-school activities.


Yeah, overbreeders annoy me.
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1025. Skyepony (Mod)
3:10 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
FunnelVortex~ did you read Dr Masters' entry..It's the topic.

How about a little..
Science 8 March 2013:
Vol. 339 no. 6124 pp. 1198-1201
DOI: 10.1126/science.1228026

Report

A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years

Shaun A. Marcott1,
Jeremy D. Shakun2,
Peter U. Clark1,
Alan C. Mix1

Author Affiliations

1College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR 97331, USA.
2Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA.

*To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: marcotts@science.oregonstate.edu

Abstract
Editor's Summary

Surface temperature reconstructions of the past 1500 years suggest that recent warming is unprecedented in that time. Here we provide a broader perspective by reconstructing regional and global temperature anomalies for the past 11,300 years from 73 globally distributed records. Early Holocene (10,000 to 5000 years ago) warmth is followed by ~0.7C cooling through the middle to late Holocene (<5000 years ago), culminating in the coolest temperatures of the Holocene during the Little Ice Age, about 200 years ago. This cooling is largely associated with ~2C change in the North Atlantic. Current global temperatures of the past decade have not yet exceeded peak interglacial values but are warmer than during ~75% of the Holocene temperature history. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change model projections for 2100 exceed the full distribution of Holocene temperature under all plausible greenhouse gas emission scenarios.
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1024. AGWcreationists
3:07 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Please define an "over breeder", as I'm not sure how that fits into a discussion on climate change. Thanks.
I think she means someone who has more than two kids.

And more kids means more carbon. Especially in wealthier segments of America, with larger homes and more air travel and more ferrying the kids to after-school activities.
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1023. FunnelVortex
3:07 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Uh...what?


You are always coming here and starting fights with everyone who doesnt agree with you.

I am also suprised you get away with your sarcastic insults.
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1022. AGWcreationists
3:04 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Should you spend more time studying the science and less time studying the travel plans of others then you might be able to form a better post concerning AGW/CC. Misdirection and misinformation is a characteristic of the denial industry and not of anyone that is evenly remotely interested in science.
Tell me exactly how carbon emissions can be curtailed without a dramatic change to American lifestyles.

That is the true issue here. And the reason why it will be so difficult to reduce carbon emissions.

It goes beyond the realm of science into the personal and political.
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1021. Neapolitan
3:04 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting FunnelVortex:


If you diddnt preach AGW on the blog every time, then we wouldnt have these problems!
Uh...what?
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1020. FunnelVortex
3:03 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Please define an "over breeder", as I'm not sure how that fits into a discussion on climate change. Thanks.


If you diddnt preach AGW on the blog every time, then we wouldnt have these problems!
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1019. GeorgiaStormz
3:03 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Thursday Night A chance of rain and sleet before 4am, then a chance of snow and sleet between 4am and 5am, then a chance of snow after 5am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 35. Northwest wind around 5 mph becoming calm in the evening. Chance of precipitation is 30%.


Friday A chance of rain, snow, and sleet before 8am, then a chance of rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 49. Calm wind becoming west around 5 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 50%.


my forecast.

this system may end with severe wx however
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1018. Neapolitan
3:00 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting stormygace:


It's that uncomfortable exponential expansion of an over breeder's carbon footprint while moaning about human caused global warming that merits eye rolling and calls of "Shenanigans". Maybe an over breeders tax is in order, no?
Please define an "over breeder", as I'm not sure how that fits into a discussion on climate change. Thanks.
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1017. AGWcreationists
3:00 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'll leave you to your seething dislike of Gore, and move on to far more important issues--such as the possible destruction of our civilization.

Take care!
Whatever. I see you could care less about holding AGW proponents to account for their hypocrisy.

So how do you expect to sway those less fervent than yourself into smaller carbon footprints, when the leaders cannot set an example with their own actions and lifestyles?

Unless some animals truly are more equal than others.
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1016. stormygace
2:58 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
So let's suppose for the sake of argument that Al Gore--that great denialist boogeyman and strawman--is the most despicable, evil, vile, lying, money-grubbing, power-hungry, jet-flying, mansion-building, CO2-emitting, internet-inventing hypocrite who ever walked the face of the earth. Does that make the planet any cooler? Does that eliminate the threat of climate change? Does that stop the oceans from acidifying, or the polar ice caps from melting, or species from dying off? Indeed, does that suddenly render the 3.4 million metric tons of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere each hour incapable of causing damage?

I understand that some are obsessed with Al Gore for being one of the most visible proponents of action on climate change. But, really, isn't it time to move on?


It's that uncomfortable exponential expansion of an over breeder's carbon footprint while moaning about human caused global warming that merits eye rolling and calls of "Shenanigans". Maybe an over breeders tax is in order, no?
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1015. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:56 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:

If Al Gore - the high swami of AGW - is unwilling to to actually significantly reduce his massive carbon emissions - then why should the little guy reduce his much smaller carbon footprint?

Anyone who seriously believes AGW is such a serious threat to humanity should be doing all things possible to reduce their footprint. And especially those at the front of the parade.

It used to be called leading by example. A trait sadly lacking in just about all political and civic 'leaders' nowadays. And not just regarding AGW.


Should you spend more time studying the science and less time studying the travel plans of others then you might be able to form a better post concerning AGW/CC. Misdirection and misinformation is a characteristic of the denial industry and not of anyone that is evenly remotely interested in science.
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1014. Neapolitan
2:56 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:

You stubbornly resist the notion of leading by example, let alone its relevance.

While excusing away the rank hypocrisy of someone like Gore, who still makes many appearances and speeches about AGW and is still at the forefront of that movement.

While spewing carbon like a Chinese power plant.

Some example.

Like I said, if you truly believe that AGW is happening and is an immintent threat to humanity, you don't wait for government to force everyone into smaller carbon footprints.

You take all possible action on your own.

Something Al Gore and the AGW activists who fly thousands of miles to conferences clearly are not doing.

So who really has the belief problem here?

Me, a skeptic who has a very small carbon footprint?

Or AGW proponents who spew carbon nonetheless because cutting back on carbon would mean a small apartment in the city (instead of a nice house in the burbs) and fewer (or better yet, no) exotic vacations abroad?

Because that is what a smaller carbon footprint truly means.

A dramatic shift in the typical American way of life.

A way of life that Al Gore is living large in.
Are you choosing not to answer my question because you don't wish to, or because you can't? But I suppose it doesn't really matter; either way, I'll leave you to your seething dislike of Gore, and move on to far more important issues--such as the possible destruction of our civilization.

Take care!
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1013. AGWcreationists
2:52 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
By all means, folks are free to throw things at Al Gore if that makes them happy. But that doesn't answer my question: does hating on Al Gore make climate change disappear? If so, explain how. And if not, why not move on? An Inconvenient Truth came out seven years ago, and Gore hasn't held public office for well over a decade. So--seriously--why do some still spend so much time and energy foaming at the mouth whenever his name is mentioned? Is it only because doing so allows them to ignore the reality of climate change? Or is there another reason?

You stubbornly resist the notion of leading by example, let alone its relevance.

While excusing away the rank hypocrisy of someone like Gore, who still makes many appearances and speeches about AGW and is still at the forefront of that movement.

While spewing carbon like a Chinese power plant.

Some example.

Like I said, if you truly believe that AGW is happening and is an imminent threat to humanity, you don't wait for government to force everyone into smaller carbon footprints.

You take all possible action on your own.

Something Al Gore and the AGW activists who fly thousands of miles to conferences clearly are not doing.

So who really has the belief problem here?

Me, a skeptic who has a very small carbon footprint?

Or AGW proponents who spew carbon nonetheless because cutting back on carbon would mean a small apartment in the city (instead of a nice house in the burbs) and fewer (or better yet, no) exotic vacations abroad?

Because that is what a smaller carbon footprint truly means.

A dramatic shift in the typical American way of life.

A way of life that Al Gore is living large in.
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1012. luvtogolf
2:49 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Take your pick:

1) If so, he certainly doesn't show it.

2) That may be. But then again, I don't consider myself God's gift to either field--and I don't thus fill the airwaves and social media outlets with incoherent, nonsensical rants about them.


You sure do on this blog.
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1011. LargoFl
2:47 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
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1010. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:46 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Chucktown:


My main argument, and always has been, why are we basing so much on the past 130 years. And I don't want to hear about tree rings or ice core samples - that is so inexact, it isn't funny. Give me some daily highs and lows from the the 1300 and 1400's, give me total yearly rainfall data for what is now New York City from 1245, show me the average temperature in Boston for 1196. For as much as the AGW crowd accuses the non-AGW crowd as only looking at the cooling trend over the last 10 years, you are just as guilty as basing everything on the past 130 years. Is it that much of a difference for the overall time that humans have roamed this fine planet?



Why not just examine nature's thermometers and concentrate less on the manufactured thermometers? What does nature tell you as to if the climate is warming or not. Now, if you want a physical measurement for how much the climate has warmed then you can whip out your trusty manufactured thermometer and take some readings. ... Really? You cannot observe any warming without a manufactured thermometer? Ask the birds. A little birdy told me about the warming. :)
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1009. Neapolitan
2:43 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting luvtogolf:
I think "little Joe" knows a bit more about climate and science than you do.
Take your pick:

1) If so, he certainly doesn't show it.

2) That may be. But then again, I don't consider myself God's gift to either field--and I don't thus fill the airwaves and social media outlets with incoherent, nonsensical rants about them.
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1008. LargoFl
2:40 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
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1007. luvtogolf
2:40 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
Ah, Little Joe is always a little vocal, especially when stepping into waters far over his head. At any rate, which of JB's illogical twitterants are you referring to?

The ones where he states that SIA is "back in normal range"? Extent and volume are lower than they were on this same date last year when records were set, and area will be lower by the end of the day. Thought he would have learned his lesson in 2012 when he spouted the same nonsense.

The ones where he says that the BBC should be "making the same big deal" about this year's March cold as last year's March heat? This month has seen 532 low temperature records set or tied across the U.S. By comparison, there had been 8,568 high temperature records set or tied from the 1st through the 19th of March 2012--more than 16 times as many. (BONUS: record highs have outnumbered record lows this month by more than 2.5-to-1.)

The ones where he talks of how some temps next week will be lower than they were in January? He should also mention that's in large part because January's temps were so much higher than normal.

Joe should seriously do himself a favor and stick with things he knows: the Penn State wrestling program and the weather in College Station.

I think "little Joe" knows a bit more about climate and science than you do.
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1006. Neapolitan
2:40 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting AGWcreationists:

If Al Gore - the high swami of AGW - is unwilling to to actually significantly reduce his massive carbon emissions - then why should the little guy reduce his much smaller carbon footprint?

Anyone who seriously believes AGW is such a serious threat to humanity should be doing all things possible to reduce their footprint. And especially those at the front of the parade.

It used to be called leading by example. A trait sadly lacking in just about all political and civic 'leaders' nowadays. And not just regarding AGW.
By all means, folks are free to throw things at Al Gore if that makes them happy. But that doesn't answer my question: does hating on Al Gore make climate change disappear? If so, explain how. And if not, why not move on? An Inconvenient Truth came out seven years ago, and Gore hasn't held public office for well over a decade. So--seriously--why do some still spend so much time and energy foaming at the mouth whenever his name is mentioned? Is it only because doing so allows them to ignore the reality of climate change? Or is there another reason?
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1005. LargoFl
2:37 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR THE MARYLAND PORTION OF THE
CHESAPEAKE BAY...TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER...AND ADJACENT COUNTIES IN
CENTRAL MARYLAND AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT OF
COLUMBIA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR THE MARYLAND PORTION OF
THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER.

SLEET AND SNOW SHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING.
THESE WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE WIND GUSTS IN EXCESS OF
40 MPH...GENERATING HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS...PARTICULARLY FOR
MARINERS.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY

A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR THE MARYLAND PORTION OF
THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND TIDAL POTOMAC RIVER THURSDAY...AND MAY BE
REQUIRED AGAIN ON FRIDAY.

LOW PRESSURE MAY IMPACT THE AREA SUNDAY AND MONDAY...BRINGING THE
CHANCE FOR WINTRY PRECIPITATION...HEAVY RAIN...GUSTY WINDS...AND
COASTAL FLOODING. THERE IS A HIGH DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY
REGARDING THE STORMS TRACK AND INTENSITY. PLEASE FOLLOW THE LATEST
FORECASTS FOR UPDATES REGARDING THE POTENTIAL SITUATION.
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1004. LargoFl
2:34 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
looks like winter likes the Carolina's this year................Freeze Warnings
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1003. GeorgiaStormz
2:33 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
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1002. AGWcreationists
2:32 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Neapolitan:
I understand that some are obsessed with Al Gore for being one of the most visible proponents of action on climate change. But, really, isn't it time to move on?

If Al Gore - the high swami of AGW - is unwilling to to actually significantly reduce his massive carbon emissions - then why should the little guy reduce his much smaller carbon footprint?

Anyone who seriously believes AGW is such a serious threat to humanity should be doing all things possible to reduce their footprint. And especially those at the front of the parade.

It used to be called leading by example. A trait sadly lacking in just about all political and civic 'leaders' nowadays. And not just regarding AGW.
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1001. LargoFl
2:32 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
ft Meyers area getting some rains now....
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1000. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:31 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting pcola57:
Earth Image of the day


Baytown, Texas - March 20, 2013

Read More HERE



North of Galveston Bay and near the mouth of the San Jacinto River, Baytown is home to the largest oil refinery in the United States. On October 1, 2003, the Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer (ASTER) on NASA%u2019s Terra satellite captured this image of Baytown, Texas. ASTER combines infrared, red, and green wavelengths of light to make false-color images that distinguish between water and land. Water is blue; buildings and paved surfaces appear tan and gray; and vegetation is red, with brighter shades indicating more robust vegetation.

The petrochemical complex appears in shades of beige and gray, standing out from its vegetated suburban surroundings. The plant stretches to the shore in the south, and is encircled by roads on its eastern and northern sides. Covering 5 square miles (13 square kilometers), the complex includes not just a refinery, but also two chemical plants and some administrative facilities


That would be the Exxon Refinery. Formally known as the Humble Oil Refinery. This was the world's largest refinery for many years. You can see the Exxon docks just to the northeast of the small island. You can also see the reflection pool for the San Jacinto Monument up towards the upper left of the photo. This marks the battle field where Texas won its independence from Mexico. The Battleship of Texas is berthed just above the reflection pool and along the edge of the river (Houston ship channel). Down at the very lower left corner of the photo is where scenes from the movie, "Hell Fighters", was filmed in 1968 and starred John Wayne.
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999. LargoFl
2:31 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting RitaEvac:


Welcome to TX
LOL good morning Rita
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998. RitaEvac
2:29 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting LargoFl:
so far ive got enough rain to wet the sidewalk...


Welcome to TX
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997. LargoFl
2:29 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
has it ever stopped snowing by Chicago?......
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996. kwgirl
2:29 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Quoting Chucktown:


No, not a District Attorney, just your average, run of the mill, TV met.
Oh, an actor! No Wonder!
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995. washingtonian115
2:28 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
This has become a bore fest.I'm out.
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994. LargoFl
2:27 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
now this is looking good for rain here.....
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993. LargoFl
2:25 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
so far ive got enough rain to wet the sidewalk...
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992. biff4ugo
2:22 PM GMT on March 20, 2013
Chuck,

Just look into the Nanticoke temperature records for the greater Boston area.
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991. GeorgiaStormz
2:22 PM GMT on March 20, 2013


from monday
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