Lake Michigan and Lake Huron hit all-time low water levels

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013

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During January 2013, water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron fell to their all-time lowest values since record keeping began in 1918, said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on Tuesday. The two lakes (which are connected and are hydrologically the same lake) fell to a water level of 576.02'. This is 0.4" below the previous record low of 576.05' set in March 1964. The lakes have dropped 17 inches since January 2012, and are now 29 inches below their long-term average. Lake Superior is about 9" above its all-time low water level, and Lakes Erie and Ontario are just 6" below average (26 - 27" above their all-time lows), so these lakes will not set new low water records in 2013. The latest forecast calls for Lake Superior to drop 2 inches during February, Lake Michigan and Huron to drop 1 inch, Lake Erie to rise 2 inches, and Lake Ontario remain near its current level.


Figure 1. Low water levels at Old Mission Point Lighthouse at Grand Traverse Bay, Lake Michigan, during July 2000. Image credit: NOAA/GLERL.


Why the record lows?
The record-low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are due, in part, to dredging operations in their outflow channel, the St. Clair River. The dredging, which stopped in the 1960s, is blamed for a long-term 10 - 16" decrease in water levels. The record low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron in January occurred despite the fact that precipitation over their watershed was 61% above average during the month. However, precipitation over the past 12 months was only 91% of average, and runoff into the lakes depends upon precipitation over longer than a 1-month period. Furthermore, evaporation over these lakes was much higher than average during January, making the net water supplied to the lakes (runoff into the lakes, plus precipitation over the lakes, minus evaporation from the lakes) only 63% of average. What caused the increased evaporation? Well, very warm water temperatures, for one. According to NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory (GLERL), water temperatures over Lake Michigan are currently about 2.5°F above average, and are about 1°F above average over Lake Huron. These warm water temperatures are the lingering effects of the extraordinary warmth of 2012, which was the warmest year on record over much of the Great Lakes region. Also increasing the evaporation from the lakes during January was the presence of less ice cover than average, which exposed more open water to the air.


Figure 2. The water level on Lake Huron and Lake Michigan measured during 2012 - 2013 (red line) hit an all-time low during January 2013, beating the previous record set in March 1964. The predicted water levels for February - March call for record lows both months. Image credit: Army Corps of Engineers.

Ice cover declining, water temperatures warming, and precipitation increasing in recent decades
The long-term future of Great Lakes water levels is cloudy, since climate change is expected to bring competing effects. A 2011 paper by scientists at NOAA Great Lakes Environemental Research Laboratory found that lake levels could rise or fall, depending upon the climate change scenario used. On the one hand, precipitation has increased by 12% over Michigan during the past century, and is expected to increase even more in the coming decades. This would tend to increase lake levels. However, lake water temperatures are predicted to increase and ice cover decrease, which would heighten evaporation rates. This would tend to lower lake levels. Ice cover on North America's Great Lakes--Superior, Michigan, Huron, Ontario, and Erie--has declined 71% since 1973, according to a 2012 study published in the Journal of Climate by researchers at NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. The loss of ice is due to warming of the lake waters, which could be due to a combination of global warming and natural cycles, the researchers said. Winter air temperatures over the lower Great Lakes increased by about 2.7°F (1.5°C) from 1973 - 2010, and by 4 - 5°F (2.3 - 2.7°C) over the northern Lakes, including Lake Superior. Lake Superior's summer surface water temperature warmed 4.5°F (2.5°C) over the period 1979 - 2006 (Austin and Colman 2007). During the same period, Lake Michigan warmed by about 3.3°F (1.7°C), Lake Huron by 4.3°F (2.4°C), and Lake Erie (which is shallow and loses and gains heat relatively quickly) showed almost no warming. The Army Corps of Engineers is also considering adding speed bumps to the bottom of the St. Clair River to slow down drainage of Lake Huron, which would act to increase water levels in Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.


Figure 3. Average yearly precipitation over the state of Michigan increased by about 12% per century since 1895, according to NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.

References
Austin, J. A., and S. Colman, 2007, "Lake Superior summer water temperatures are increasing more rapidly than regional air temperatures: A positive ice-albedo feedback," Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L06604, doi:10.1029/2006GL029021.

Wang, J., X. Bai, H. Hu, A.H. Clites, M.C. Colton, and B.M. Lofgren, 2012, "Temporal and spatial variability of Great Lakes ice cover, 1973-2010," Journal of Climate 25(4):1318-1329 (DOI:10.1175/2011JCLI4066.1)

Jeff Masters

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383. Neapolitan
10:04 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
More pretty artwork (from Weatherbell.com):

NE
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382. SuzK
10:03 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting stormchaser43:
You tell me this, Overwash? How is that any different from relentlessly and ENDLESSLY getting the Global Warming / Climate Change agenda shoved down your throat each and EVERY single day??


Why don't ya'll find another weather blog to make derogatory remarks in then, if you are so offended and disgusted by the GW conversation here? You won't be changing anyone's opinion with your inflated opinions and bad science anyway.
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381. CJ5
10:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I suggest that you point your finger instead at all of the denial industry


Jeez, the only thing you need to blame is a cost effective, reliable and sustainable solution. Right now, there is none. Fact!
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380. Levi32
10:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Recon is off to release some dropsondes for the 00Z model cycle. They will be flying every 12 hours for the next two days, so the models should be initialized better for this storm.


Google Earth

Also, seems that the flight paths for Winter Recon is password protected Link. Seems you can just follow it on Google Earth and it will then be known since they list the track plan number in the Recon Plan of the Day.


Well, a plane just left Biloxi:

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379. LargoFl
9:57 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
ok dinner time here..have a good night everyone..stay safe out there
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378. SuzK
9:57 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting stormchaser43:
Um. Excuse me. If we were not pounding away at the Global Warming Agenda and movement that Al Gore virtually created and definitely spearheaded, where would the fun be?

You are right. We have been much warmer in the past. The current cycle we are in is likely nothing more than what we have seen in the past. At least that's what many scientists are saying.

But we'll let the climate fearing alarmists continue to pound away at the agenda. We'll just sit back and laugh all the while...


Except that Al Gore didn't virtually create it. Global warming has been the subject of numerous studies over decades. PLEASE, check your facts.
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377. LargoFl
9:57 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTH CENTRAL NORTH
CAROLINA...NORTHWEST NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA.

.DAY ONE...TONIGHT.

HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.

A WINTRY MIX OF RAIN AND SLEET THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY
MORNING.
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376. LargoFl
9:55 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
for the DC area etc...........PRECIPITATION MAY BEGIN AS A LIGHT WINTRY MIX THURSDAY NIGHT AND
EARLY FRIDAY MORNING. A LIGHT GLAZE OF ICE FROM FREEZING RAIN IS
POSSIBLE PRIMARILY NEAR THE MASON-DIXON LINE.
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375. LargoFl
9:53 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
remember..check in on the elderly.............
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374. LargoFl
9:51 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
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373. LargoFl
9:50 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
s ure will be cold enough for snow.............
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372. LargoFl
9:47 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting NEwxguy:


Some pretty amazing statements coming out of the weather service.All I can say is they better get this right.
I just went thru most of the northeast weather places, all are getting on the bandwagon for a possible severe winter storm"blizzard"..guess its better to warn of a Possible blizzard than to stay quiet and see what happens..its probably what they are thinking also..even a foot of snow will create hazzards up there..2 feet everything stops, i remember those days...first thing i did when i was packing up for florida..i gave my snow shovel to my next door neighbor lol..said wont be needing THIS any more
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371. Luisport
9:44 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Two streams, pieces of energy need to come together. Simulated radar from NCEP NAM 4-km (not that bad of a model)
Link
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370. nrtiwlnvragn
9:42 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Recon is off to release some dropsondes for the 00Z model cycle. They will be flying every 12 hours for the next two days, so the models should be initialized better for this storm.


Google Earth

Also, seems that the flight paths for Winter Recon is password protected Link. Seems you can just follow it on Google Earth and it will then be known since they list the track plan number in the Recon Plan of the Day.
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369. TomTaylor
9:42 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting Luisport:
Joe Bastardi%u200F@BigJoeBastardi

BTW model sees second storm up east coast. 10 day snow totals @RyanMaue new map colors Link
Lol Bastardi should know better than looking at 10 day model snow forecasts. 5 day precipitation forecasts are already dreadful. Snowfall is a much more fragile situation varying greatly with timing, positioning, moisture and temperature. Probably wouldn't take snowfall totals seriously beyond 3 days. Beyond 5 days they're pretty much not worth looking at, except to realize the potential for snow. Beyond 7 days I wouldn't even bother looking.
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368. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:41 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting NEwxguy:


Some pretty amazing statements coming out of the weather service.All I can say is they better get this right.
well 43 made me flip the ultra sonic atomspheric wave generation device to extreme

j/k
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367. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:38 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting yonzabam:
If we get even 6 inches of snow, here in the UK, everything almost grinds to a halt. I can't imagine what effect 2 feet of snow would have on the NE US. 2 feet is a high end prediction, but even 1 foot is highly disruptive.

Would airports and highways close down? I'm pretty sure they would in the UK. Do workers still get paid if they can't get into work because of the snow?
all travel along eastern seaboard will be grounded to a halt or a very slow crawl on your hands and knees
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366. weatherrx2012
9:36 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No, actually, many scientists are saying the Earth is warming at a dangerous rate and if we don't try to stop it, there will be consequences.

But carry on with your nonsense.


Please tell me how we are going to magically stop the warming cycle?
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365. NEwxguy
9:36 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting LargoFl:
OMG..2 feet of snow and THIS..........URGENT - MARINE WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
348 PM EST WED FEB 6 2013

...THE POTENTIAL FOR STORM FORCE TO HURRICANE FORCE WIND GUSTS
POSSIBLE FRIDAY NIGHT INTO SATURDAY ALONG WITH SEAS IN EXCESS OF
30 FEET ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE OUTER-WATERS....


Some pretty amazing statements coming out of the weather service.All I can say is they better get this right.
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364. LargoFl
9:34 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
OMG..2 feet of snow and THIS..........URGENT - MARINE WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
348 PM EST WED FEB 6 2013

...THE POTENTIAL FOR STORM FORCE TO HURRICANE FORCE WIND GUSTS
POSSIBLE FRIDAY NIGHT INTO SATURDAY ALONG WITH SEAS IN EXCESS OF
30 FEET ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE OUTER-WATERS....
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363. Luisport
9:34 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Using a 10:1 ratio (do math if you wish) -- NYC, New England absolutely buried thru 60-hrs.

8 minRyan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Finally get to debut my new snow colorbar (made from scratch) b/c of the extreme amounts on the way: NCEP 4km 60-hrs

LinkLink
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362. yonzabam
9:32 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
If we get even 6 inches of snow, here in the UK, everything almost grinds to a halt. I can't imagine what effect 2 feet of snow would have on the NE US. 2 feet is a high end prediction, but even 1 foot is highly disruptive.

Would airports and highways close down? I'm pretty sure they would in the UK. Do workers still get paid if they can't get into work because of the snow?
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361. LargoFl
9:32 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
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360. nymore
9:30 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting ScottLincoln:

As with many different things in science that come in a "look-up table format," scientists can use the same classification for years and years, because it is what they are used to and it has been the standard for quite some time. This is something that you do not seem to grasp.
You know in my industry the rules change from time to time and some have been in place for many years but when those rules change it is my responsibility to know. Now I could tell the OSHA rep that I simply did not know and he/she will tell me that is no excuse and gladly write the fine. I think I grasp more than you ever will know the importance of keeping up to date with the latest changes for if I don't the best that can happen is a fine, the worst death.
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359. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:28 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting mikeylikesyouall:
If they maybe looking a t a foot or more snow forecast for New England especially Cental Mass, and Southern Maine i wonder what the potential snow amounts for Nova Scotia, and Eastern P.E.I would be.


Special weather statement for:
Mainland Nova Scotia
Cape Breton.

High winds and potential heavy snowfalls for Saturday.

------------------------------------------------- --------------------
==discussion==
Forecast guidance is indicating that a low pressure system near Cape
Hatteras on Friday will deepen rapidly as it sweeps up the Atlantic
coast to pass south of Nova Scotia on Saturday then move towards
Newfoundland on Sunday.

This storm will give very strong northeasterlies to the region and
periods of snow and blowing snow, spreading from west to east
beginning late Friday with the main snowfall expected Saturday and
possibly persisting into early Sunday. It is too early for accurate
estimates of snowfall amounts, but some guidance is indicating
amounts in excess of 40 centimetres are possible for parts of
Mainland Nova Scotia and Cape Breton.

Strong northeasterlies and northerlies over the gulf of st.
Lawrence may also give higher than normal water levels, and will push
pack ice into north to northeast facing shorelines.

The public is advised to monitor future forecasts and warnings as
warnings may be required or extended.

Please monitor the latest forecasts and warnings from Environment
Canada at www.weatheroffice.gc.ca

End

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358. Luisport
9:27 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

BTW model sees second storm up east coast. 10 day snow totals @RyanMaue new map colors Link
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357. LargoFl
9:26 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
I wonder what is going to happen once fossil fuels run out in the future and winter comes?..I seriously doubt one in a hundred have a fire place..electric heat will be awfully expensive then..how many will just do without heat?..sometime in the future..things might get bad huh..maybe even life changing as we know it today..yeah its a long way off i know..but our great grand kids or their kids might have to face this
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356. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:26 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
WOCN11 CWTO 062101
Special weather statement updated by Environment Canada at 4:01 PM
EST Wednesday 6 February 2013.
------------------------------------------------- --------------------
Special weather statement for:
City of Toronto
Windsor - Essex - Chatham-Kent
Sarnia - Lambton
Elgin
London - Middlesex
Simcoe - Delhi - Norfolk
Dunnville - Caledonia - Haldimand
Oxford - Brant
Niagara
City of Hamilton
Halton - Peel
York - Durham
Huron - Perth
Waterloo - Wellington
Dufferin - Innisfil
Grey - Bruce
Barrie - Orillia - Midland
Belleville - Quinte - Northumberland
Kingston - Prince Edward
Peterborough - Kawartha Lakes
Stirling - Tweed - South Frontenac
Bancroft - Bon Echo Park
Brockville - Leeds and Grenville
City of Ottawa
Gatineau
Prescott and Russell
Cornwall - Morrisburg
Smiths Falls - Lanark - Sharbot Lake
Parry Sound - Muskoka
Haliburton
Renfrew - Pembroke - Barry's Bay
Algonquin
Burk's Falls - Bayfield Inlet.

Snowstorm threatening Thursday night into Friday..

------------------------------------------------- --------------------
==discussion==
An Alberta clipper currently tracking southeastward through the
Dakotas is expected to track across the us midwest tonight and
Thursday then track just south of Lake Erie on Friday.

Snow ahead of this clipper will start spreading into Southern Ontario
from Michigan and Lake Huron on Thursday with perhaps a couple cm of
snow by Thursday evening in a swath of regions extending from Lake
Huron to Western Lake Ontario.

As the clipper gets closer, latest indications suggest it will
intensify Thursday night, with an expanding area of heavier snow
expected to move into most of Southern and Eastern Ontario.
Some freezing rain and ice pellets are possible over the extreme
southwest.

Snow, heavy at times is now expected to continue into Friday as the
clipper sails by just south of the Great Lakes.

Many parts of Southern and Eastern Ontario may receive 15 cm of snow
from this system. Some areas may receive higher amounts, depending
on the exact track and intensity of this low. Snow amounts will be
somewhat lower over the extreme southwest due to some freezing rain
and ice pellets. Extreme northern areas from Parry Sound to the
Renfrew area will be closer to the northern edge of the system and
may escape with less snow as well.

Brisk easterly winds will also result in blowing snow in exposed
areas Thursday night and Friday.

Travelling conditions will deteriorate and become hazardous in the
snow and blowing snow Thursday night and Friday. There may be a
significant impact on the commute to work on Friday morning in areas
of heavier snow.

There is still some uncertainty as to the exact track and intensity
of the low, which will affect where the heaviest snow falls. Some of
the latest computer models have been suggesting a more intense
version of this snowstorm is possible.

Environment Canada is closely monitoring this situation. Watches and
warnings may be issued as this event draws closer.

The public is advised to monitor future forecasts and warnings as
warnings may be required or extended.

END/KUHN/OSPC

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355. Luisport
9:25 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

NYC battle zone as rain/snow line over city for 5 hours would mean 10 inch difference in total Ensemble wetter/colder Link
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354. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:23 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting mikeylikesyouall:
If they maybe looking a t a foot or more snow forecast for New England especially Cental Mass, and Southern Maine i wonder what the potential snow amounts for Nova Scotia, and Eastern P.E.I would be.
it should move towards the ne after bombing on the american coast

coastal southern NS may be only place to see the snow with 2 feet or more

as for the ne us they all may need a front end loader to clear there driveways after this event and a boat for the next event
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353. LargoFl
9:23 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTH AND CENTRAL GEORGIA.

.DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...

NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY...
AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE AND DEVELOPING WARM FRONT WILL BRING
RAIN TO THE AREA THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS ARE
POSSIBLE. WIDESPREAD 1-1.5 INCHES OR MORE OR TOTAL RAINFALL ARE
EXPECTED...WITH HIGHER AMOUNTS OF 1.5-2 INCHES ACROSS THE PORTIONS
OF CENTRAL GEORGIA.

A SECOND SYSTEM WILL APPROACH THE AREA AND BRING MORE RAIN
CHANCES TO THE STATE SUNDAY THROUGH TUESDAY. CURRENTLY 2 TO 4
INCHES OF PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED ACROSS THE AREA SUNDAY THROUGH
TUESDAY. WITH WET ANTECEDENT CONDITIONS...FLOODING IS LIKELY. THERE
IS LITTLE INSTABILITY WITH THESE SYSTEMS SO THUNDERSTORMS ARE NOT
EXPECTED THROUGH DAY 7 AT THIS TIME.
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352. NEwatcher
9:20 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting NEwxguy:


I agree,of older age,I can remember the blizzard of 78,it took a long time for most forecasters to fall into step with the major event,it just didn't look that bad,of course data collection was so archaic back then,we didn't have the amount of data we collect these days.but it still amazes how these small systems merge and explode.

My mom kept us home from school that day fearing that we would get stuck on the buses. I was 10 and every storm since has of course been compared to 78'.
I would keep my kids home tomorrow.
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351. trHUrrIXC5MMX
9:20 PM GMT on February 06, 2013
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

That's not the forecast for New York City..?

The Winter Storm Watch has 5-10".


I live north of there...
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FLOOD STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS BATON ROUGE LA
1230 PM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...THE FLOOD WARNING CONTINUES FOR THE FOLLOWING RIVERS IN
LOUISIANA...

ATCHAFALAYA RIVER AT MORGAN CITY AFFECTING ST. MARY PARISH
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FORECAST CRESTS ARE BASED UPON RAINFALL THAT HAS OCCURRED ALONG WITH
ANTICIPATED RAIN FOR THE NEXT 12 HOURS. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE FORECASTS
WILL BE MADE IF ADDITIONAL HEAVY RAINFALL OCCURS.

DO NOT DRIVE CARS THROUGH FLOODED AREAS. REMEMBER...TWO FEET OF
RUSHING WATER CAN CARRY AWAY MOST VEHICLES INCLUDING PICKUPS. TURN
AROUND AND DON`T DROWN.

A FOLLOWUP PRODUCT WILL BE ISSUED LATER. STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER
RADIO...LOCAL TV AND RADIO STATIONS...OR YOUR CABLE PROVIDER...FOR
THE LATEST INFORMATION. THE LATEST GRAPHICAL HYDROLOGIC INFORMATION
CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WEATHER.GOV.
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Quoting nymore:
FWIW you to are a fossil fuel devotee, for it is what got your food to you, it is what fertilized your food, it is what makes certain medicines possible, it is what is in your technology devices, it is what is powering the internet, it is how you travel, it is how you heat and cool your home, and on and on. If you hate the cancer (CC) so bad quit smoking (using fossil fuels) easy enough huh, now I know your life will change but it is going to change anyway for the worse as you spout here everyday.


Actually, for what t is worth, it is you that does not get it when you make statements such as this. There are strongly invested and politically connected interests that want to assure that we all stay on fossil fuels until they have all been consumed and the profits have been made from them. All with absolutely no regards as to all of the problems that the burning of fossil fuels brings us. ExxonMobil's CEO, Rex Tillerson, has even stated that the burning of fossil fuels adds to the global warming. He also would like for us to believe that this is simply an engineering problem. Yet, Rex offers up none of his engineers, funding or possible solutions for all of this. In other words, Rex Tillerson is saying that he will continue to pollute the environment and add to global warming and it is our problem to correct his damage and at our expense.

We also are aware that many products are made from oil. The worst of the offenses of oil, concerning climate change, is the burning of oil. Yet any attempts to move ourselves away from the burning of fossil fuels is quickly challenged by the denial industry puppets trying to convince us all that it is too costly, a communist plot, anti-capitalistic, a liberal driven agenda or anything else that can be said to try to cast a negative image of getting off of oil!

Let us set AGW aside. Let us say that the climate is not changing. Let us say that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas and we can emit all of it that we desire to so and with absolutely no dire consequences for doing so. Would this make you happy? Well, I still would want to get off of all and I would do so for economic reasons alone! Oil is a finite resource. What is being recovered now is more energy intense to locate, extract, transport to refineries, refine and transport to market. The Oil industry controls our economies now. As oil becomes more scarce the prices will continue to climb. (Have you not paid any attention to how much you are paying at the pumps and how much the prices have risen just over the past 5 years???? Many times the price drastically rises over just a few days.) Oil controls us. It feeds us and it feeds off of us. Yet every time the oil prices make any significant rise in price it stifles our economy and we are at its mercy to do so.

Now, the next time you wish to be so arrogant as to point your finger at anyone that still uses oil and complains about it, I suggest that you point your finger instead at all of the denial industry puppets that do their utmost best to assure that we NEVER get off of oil! You want to blame someone? Blame them!
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wow we have 2 storms..one in the northeast and one along the gulf coast states..going to be a real active posting few days here on the blog huh.
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Quoting NEwxguy:

This has the potential to rival the blizzard of 78,assuming everything comes together like they think.
yeah this might be bad, just watched weather channel, even they are upping snowfall amounts..still a day or 2 away..we'll see what happens...i do see the NWS getting rid of the winter stormwatch and now has a Blizzard watch out...
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Quoting LargoFl:
the Euro model is now predicting more than 24 inches for the boston area

This has the potential to rival the blizzard of 78,assuming everything comes together like they think.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
JUST OUT FOR ME:

* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 10 TO 20 INCHES.
* WINDS...NORTH 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH.



10 TO 20" ?????? OMG!

That's not the forecast for New York City..?

The Winter Storm Watch has 5-10".
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Quoting mikeylikesyouall:
If they maybe looking a t a foot or more snow forecast for New England especially Cape Cod and Southern Maine i wonder what the potential snow amounts for Nova Scotia, and Eastern P.E.I would be.
the Euro model is now predicting more than 24 inches for the boston area
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If they maybe looking a t a foot or more snow forecast for New England especially Cental Mass, and Southern Maine i wonder what the potential snow amounts for Nova Scotia, and Eastern P.E.I would be.
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Quoting nymore:
You don't get it do you. They should have never have said 2012 was the warmest La Nina year to begin with. Simply because when the report came out it (the ONI) had already been changed in March making 2006 and 2009 the warmest. 2006 and 2009 should have already been reclassified by the time the latest report was issued. Nothing has changed since they issued the report, they simply did not do their due diligence and when pointed out to them they changed the report. It may simply be a mistake but one that should be pointed out.

Ok, seriously now, you really need to let your obsession go. Science worked as it was supposed to. The report was corrected. Change was transparent and a note in the report indicates that it was changed from the original. Even with the change, the trends remain the same - the warm years, the neutral years, and even the cool years continue to show a warming trend.

It's not an everyday occurrence that we change which years are classified as positive/negative/etc for a particular climate index. As with many different things in science that come in a "look-up table format," scientists can use the same classification for years and years, because it is what they are used to and it has been the standard for quite some time. This is something that you do not seem to grasp.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Denialist, paranoia-based blather aside, the NOAA did what scientists do: adjusted a prior statement based on subsequent data. Of course, if those scientists were really the evil, manipulative, deceitful schemers Watts and Bastardi and their sycophantic, mouth-breathing fans accuse them of being, they wouldn't have bothered to either transparently edit that statement or publicly state the reasons they changed it. But, again, I realize not all people are convinced by facts, blinded by ideological fantasies as they are.
Thank you for saying I was right. There is no subsequent data, the data was already there and they failed to use it. Are you mad I pointed out you are as big a devotee as anyone else.
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JUST OUT FOR ME:

* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 10 TO 20 INCHES.
* WINDS...NORTH 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH.



10 TO 20" ?????? OMG!
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Im still waiting for my NWS office to give up things here....


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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Today's a good day. It just is.



great for me too... Let's enjoy it...
Last time I enjoyed seeing this was on Dec 26, 2010
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Quoting nymore:
You don't get it do you. They should have never have said 2012 was the warmest La Nina year to begin with. Simply because when the report came out it (the ONI) had already been changed in March making 2006 and 2009 the warmest. 2006 and 2009 should have already been reclassified by the time the latest report was issued. Nothing has changed since they issued the report, they simply did not do their due diligence and when pointed out to them they changed the report. It may simply be a mistake but one that should be pointed out.
Denialist, paranoia-based blather aside, the NOAA did what scientists do: adjusted a prior statement based on subsequent data. Of course, if those scientists were really the evil, manipulative, deceitful schemers Watts and Bastardi and their sycophantic, mouth-breathing fans accuse them of being, they wouldn't have bothered to either transparently edit that statement or publicly state the reasons they changed it. But, again, I realize not all people are convinced by facts, blinded by ideological fantasies as they are.
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Today's a good day. It just is.

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