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Lake Michigan and Lake Huron hit all-time low water levels
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013 +42
During January 2013, water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron fell to their all-time lowest values since record keeping began in 1918, said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on Tuesday. The two lakes (which are connected and are hydrologically the same lake) fell to a water level of 576.02'. This is 0.4" below the previous record low of 576.05' set in March 1964. The lakes have dropped 17 inches since January 2012, and are now 29 inches below their long-term average. Lake Superior is about 9" above its all-time low water level, and Lakes Erie and Ontario are just 6" below average (26 - 27" above their all-time lows), so these lakes will not set new low water records in 2013. The latest forecast calls for Lake Superior to drop 2 inches during February, Lake Michigan and Huron to drop 1 inch, Lake Erie to rise 2 inches, and Lake Ontario remain near its current level.


Figure 1. Low water levels at Old Mission Point Lighthouse at Grand Traverse Bay, Lake Michigan, during July 2000. Image credit: NOAA/GLERL.


Why the record lows?
The record-low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are due, in part, to dredging operations in their outflow channel, the St. Clair River. The dredging, which stopped in the 1960s, is blamed for a long-term 10 - 16" decrease in water levels. The record low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron in January occurred despite the fact that precipitation over their watershed was 61% above average during the month. However, precipitation over the past 12 months was only 91% of average, and runoff into the lakes depends upon precipitation over longer than a 1-month period. Furthermore, evaporation over these lakes was much higher than average during January, making the net water supplied to the lakes (runoff into the lakes, plus precipitation over the lakes, minus evaporation from the lakes) only 63% of average. What caused the increased evaporation? Well, very warm water temperatures, for one. According to NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory (GLERL), water temperatures over Lake Michigan are currently about 2.5°F above average, and are about 1°F above average over Lake Huron. These warm water temperatures are the lingering effects of the extraordinary warmth of 2012, which was the warmest year on record over much of the Great Lakes region. Also increasing the evaporation from the lakes during January was the presence of less ice cover than average, which exposed more open water to the air.


Figure 2. The water level on Lake Huron and Lake Michigan measured during 2012 - 2013 (red line) hit an all-time low during January 2013, beating the previous record set in March 1964. The predicted water levels for February - March call for record lows both months. Image credit: Army Corps of Engineers.

Ice cover declining, water temperatures warming, and precipitation increasing in recent decades
The long-term future of Great Lakes water levels is cloudy, since climate change is expected to bring competing effects. A 2011 paper by scientists at NOAA Great Lakes Environemental Research Laboratory found that lake levels could rise or fall, depending upon the climate change scenario used. On the one hand, precipitation has increased by 12% over Michigan during the past century, and is expected to increase even more in the coming decades. This would tend to increase lake levels. However, lake water temperatures are predicted to increase and ice cover decrease, which would heighten evaporation rates. This would tend to lower lake levels. Ice cover on North America's Great Lakes--Superior, Michigan, Huron, Ontario, and Erie--has declined 71% since 1973, according to a 2012 study published in the Journal of Climate by researchers at NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. The loss of ice is due to warming of the lake waters, which could be due to a combination of global warming and natural cycles, the researchers said. Winter air temperatures over the lower Great Lakes increased by about 2.7°F (1.5°C) from 1973 - 2010, and by 4 - 5°F (2.3 - 2.7°C) over the northern Lakes, including Lake Superior. Lake Superior's summer surface water temperature warmed 4.5°F (2.5°C) over the period 1979 - 2006 (Austin and Colman 2007). During the same period, Lake Michigan warmed by about 3.3°F (1.7°C), Lake Huron by 4.3°F (2.4°C), and Lake Erie (which is shallow and loses and gains heat relatively quickly) showed almost no warming. The Army Corps of Engineers is also considering adding speed bumps to the bottom of the St. Clair River to slow down drainage of Lake Huron, which would act to increase water levels in Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.


Figure 3. Average yearly precipitation over the state of Michigan increased by about 12% per century since 1895, according to NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.

References
Austin, J. A., and S. Colman, 2007, "Lake Superior summer water temperatures are increasing more rapidly than regional air temperatures: A positive ice-albedo feedback," Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L06604, doi:10.1029/2006GL029021.

Wang, J., X. Bai, H. Hu, A.H. Clites, M.C. Colton, and B.M. Lofgren, 2012, "Temporal and spatial variability of Great Lakes ice cover, 1973-2010," Journal of Climate 25(4):1318-1329 (DOI:10.1175/2011JCLI4066.1)

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201. Xyrus2000 6:16 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting stormchaser43:
What a snow event. 36 inches as predicted by the NAM. If this really does come true, I think it is safe to say we can all throw out the climate change goofiness. Okay, the hardcore will still be relentlessly clinging on to AGWT, but realistically it's probably safe to say that Global Warming / Climate Change is a theory that has not ever come true.



It's pretty clear that you don't understand climate science at all, since you continually make statements that equate weather and climate which is incorrect. And then you proceed to build upon your incorrect assumptions until you reach conclusions that would make even an undergrad met laugh.

Weather and climate are different. Weather is what happens, while climate is what is LIKELY to happen. A single weather event says precisely squat about what direction the climate is heading and there are ZERO credible climate scientists who claim that any single weather event provides evidence for or against climate change. Climate scientists look at data on decadal scales.

Now, in respect to this potential snow storm, anyone with even a basic understanding of physics knows that warmer air has a greater capacity for moisture than cooler air. So if anything, more frequent large snowfalls are an indication for a warmer overall climate. That being said, in order to make any sort of claim one way or the other one would need to do a historical analysis on the frequency of such storms and determine the factors that go into creating them, and then determine if there is increase in frequency and if so what changes in those factors have occured in order to induce more frequent events. This is not a simple analysis.
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202. LargoFl 6:17 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
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203. LargoFl 6:19 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
wow Texas getting Much Needed Rain huh............
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204. Grothar 6:20 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting PedleyCA:


Sugar Cane and Sugar Beets....


It's easier if you just buy it at your local supermarket.
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205. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:20 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
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206. LargoFl 6:22 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
gee 3-4 inches might create some streeet flooding...
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

DENSE SEA FOG WILL REDUCE VISIBILITIES TO BELOW A HALF MILE IN A
FEW LOCATIONS. THE FOG SHOULD SLOWLY ERODE THIS MORNING.

LATER TODAY...SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP AND MOVE
ACROSS THE REGION. THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL WILL FALL ALONG THE COAST
WITH WIDESPREAD RAINFALL BETWEEN 1 AND 2 INCHES AND SOME ISOLATED
TOTALS ALONG THE IMMEDIATE COAST BETWEEN 3 AND 4 INCHES. A FEW OF
THE STRONGER STORMS COULD ALSO PRODUCE SOME BRIEF GUSTY WINDS.
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207. LargoFl 6:23 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Patrap is going to get rain from this also....
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208. LargoFl 6:25 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
whew many many hours of snowfall up here......
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209. Neapolitan 6:26 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
I think us folks in Florida hope your right on that one..for us the very humid 90's are quiet enough to make us miserable in summer..i cannot imagine it being 110 or higher long term..we'd wilt away lol
Remember, though, sea level rise aside--and that's an extremely urgent issue for Florida--it needn't get anywhere near 120 or even 110 to cause massive changes to the state. Consider what happens to the state's lucrative tourist industry when Disney World swelters at 100 degrees for weeks at a time. Ask yourself who's going to bother visiting here when they can avoid most of the cold and snow just by staying at their northern home. Question whether there'll be much sport fishing when the Gulf is a warm, tepid, acidified, and somewhat lifeless pool. What will happen when South Florida's growing fields are too hot for produce, or when Central Florida's copious citrus groves are turned to barren, dessicated sand hills?

No, 120 degrees isn't going to happen here. But take absolutely no comfort in that fact.
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210. LargoFl 6:28 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH LATE
FRIDAY NIGHT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ALBANY HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM
WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH LATE
FRIDAY NIGHT.

* LOCATIONS...THE NORTHERN AND CENTRAL TACONICS OF NEW
YORK...SOUTHERN VERMONT...AND THE BERKSHIRES.

* HAZARD TYPES...HEAVY SNOW POSSIBLE.

* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 9 INCHES OR MORE ARE
POSSIBLE FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT.

* MAXIMUM SNOWFALL RATES...1 INCH OR MORE AN HOUR RATES WILL BE POSSIBLE.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL BEGIN FRIDAY MORNING...AND INCREASE IN
INTENSITY POTENTIALLY BY THE AFTERNOON...WHICH MAY IMPACT THE
EVENING COMMUTE. THE HEAVY SNOW MAY CONTINUE FRIDAY NIGHT WITH
SEVERAL INCHES POSSIBLE. THE SNOW WILL LIKELY DIMINISH EARLY SATURDAY
MORNING...AS THE COASTAL STORM MOVES EAST OF THE WATCH AREA.

* IMPACTS...SNOW COVERED ROADS...REDUCED VISIBILITIES...AND
HAZARDOUS TRAVEL.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST 5 TO 15 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 25 MPH.

* TEMPERATURES...FALLING FROM THE UPPER 20S AND LOWER 30S DURING
THE DAY INTO THE TEENS AT NIGHT.
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211. LargoFl 6:30 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
ah the Blog has come alive again..its nice to see
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212. weatherrx2012 6:31 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
I really hate to be rude, but why on earth is Dr. Masters only talking about the low levels of Lake Michigan and Huron. There was a major earthquake/tsunami in the Pacific Ocean last night, which caused a lot of damage, and there is a major WINTER storm that could potentially impact the North East this weekend. He could have mentioned both of these events in his article, along with the low lake levels. I understand that the low levels of water on the lake can majorly impact the shipping industry and cause multiple other problems, for the Great Lake community; but I don't think it should be the only topic of his article. He could have at least mentioned the other events, along with the low lake levels. Just my opinion though.

P.S.,
The earth has constantly gone through weather cycles, both warm and cold, throughout its history. So why is it that we constantly freak out over this warm cycle that we are currently in? Most weather records only date back to the 1800's. So who is to say that we didn't have a period on earth that was warmer than this one? You can't. So lets stop freaking out about Global Warming so much and start getting back to normal everyday weather events. I'm not saying never mention Global Warming, because it is an interesting topic, I'm only suggesting that we stop hyper focusing on it.
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213. AGWcreationists 6:32 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
yes its an interesting debate among scientists researching it....i have a question tho...where exactly..does sugar come from?
Increased simple carbohydrate consumption from refined grains such as flour or white rice, as opposed to unrefined grains, nuts, and meat consistent with the diet of hunter-gatherers.
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214. 1900hurricane 6:32 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
wow Texas getting Much Needed Rain huh............

And guess where it's all going: to the Northeast. This is our future bomb, which should merge its mid-level disturbance with the clipper moving through Montana right now. Unfortunately for those who will be affected, this could be a Meteorological Masterpiece.

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215. LargoFl 6:37 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting 1900hurricane:

And guess where it's all going: to the Northeast. This is our future bomb, which should merge its mid-level disturbance with the clipper moving through Montana right now. Unfortunately for those who will be affected, this could be a Meteorological Masterpiece.

yes sure is alot of gulf moisture headed northward..maybe thats why they are hinting at snowfall amounts higher than 9 inches
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216. LargoFl 6:38 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
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217. LargoFl 6:39 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Florida State Fair starts tomorrow over in Tampa..i had alot of fun in one a couple of years ago..looks like the weather will be nice for it this time
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219. FunnelVortex 6:43 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting 1900hurricane:

And guess where it's all going: to the Northeast. This is our future bomb, which should merge its mid-level disturbance with the clipper moving through Montana right now. Unfortunately for those who will be affected, this could be a Meteorological Masterpiece.



I remember the Great Lakes storm of 2010 (I was in it). Its uncommon to see an extratropicial cyclone this organized occur over land.



Something tells me this will be quite similar.
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220. FunnelVortex 6:44 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting stormchaser43:
Um. Excuse me. If we were not pounding away at the Global Warming Agenda and movement that Al Gore virtually created and definitely spearheaded, where would the fun be?

You are right. We have been much warmer in the past. The current cycle we are in is likely nothing more than what we have seen in the past. At least that's what many scientists are saying.

But we'll let the climate fearing alarmists continue to pound away at the agenda. We'll just sit back and laugh all the while...


I can agree with this
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221. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:46 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting stormchaser43:
Um. Excuse me. If we were not pounding away at the Global Warming Agenda and movement that Al Gore virtually created and definitely spearheaded, where would the fun be?

You are right. We have been much warmer in the past. The current cycle we are in is likely nothing more than what we have seen in the past. At least that's what many scientists are saying.

But we'll let the climate fearing alarmists continue to pound away at the agenda. We'll just sit back and laugh all the while...

No, actually, many scientists are saying the Earth is warming at a dangerous rate and if we don't try to stop it, there will be consequences.

But carry on with your nonsense.
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222. Luisport 6:47 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

978 mb 48-hour forecast pressure from ECMWF 12z for major Nor'easter / blizzard. Link
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223. PedleyCA 6:47 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Sheep

59.4 here now, Sun is out. Forecast 61....
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224. ncstorm 6:49 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Snow


I guess communion on 1st Sunday must be strawberry flavored koolaid..are those solar panel windows in your picture? Isn't a church a corporation that you seem to have the same issues with as far as Exxon or Mobile?..you might want to photoshop something else in relation to your cause..(very witty though..)
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225. LargoFl 6:49 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
wow LOOK at that surge of gulf moisture headed north..
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226. FunnelVortex 6:51 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
I made this digital painting of a tornado in Photoshop. :)

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227. LargoFl 6:52 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
1011 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

ILZ003-004-008-010>014-019>022-INZ001-002-062100-
WINNEBAGO-BOONE-OGLE-LEE-DE KALB-KANE-DUPAGE-COOK-LA SALLE-
KENDALL-GRUNDY-WILL-LAKE IN-PORTER-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROCKFORD...BELVIDERE...OREGON...DIXON...
DEKALB...AURORA...WHEATON...CHICAGO...OTTAWA...OS WEGO...MORRIS...
JOLIET...GARY...VALPARAISO
1011 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...WINTERY MIX OF SNOW...FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET ON THURSDAY...

A STORM SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO SPREAD A WINTRY MIX OF FREEZING
RAIN...SLEET AND SNOW ACROSS THE AREA VERY LATE TONIGHT AND EARLY
THURSDAY MORNING. THE WINTRY MIX APPEARS THAT IT MAY QUICKLY CHANGE
TO ALL SNOW BY MID TO LATE MORNING ALONG AND NORTH OF INTERSTATE
88...WITH AREAS SOUTH POSSIBLY TRANSITIONING TO SNOW DURING THE
AFTERNOON. UNCERTAINTY REMAINS WITH THIS SYSTEM...AS TEMPERATURES
WILL BE MARGINAL. HOWEVER...AT THIS TIME IT APPEARS THAT MODERATE
SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OVER 3 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE...ESPECIALLY
ALONG AND NORTH OF INTERSTATE 88. SOME MINOR ICE ACCUMULATIONS ARE
ALSO POSSIBLE...NAMELY THURSDAY MORNING. PERSONS PLANNING TRAVEL
ACROSS THE REGION ARE URGED TO STAY UP TO DATE WITH THE LATEST
FORECAST INFORMATION WITH THIS SYSTEM...AS THINGS MAY CHANGE.

$$

KJB
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228. VR46L 6:53 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting ncstorm:


I guess communion on 1st Sunday must be strawberry flavored koolaid..are those solar panel windows in your picture? Isn't a church a corporation that you seem to have the same issues with as far as Exxon or Mobile?..you might want to photoshop something else in relation to your cause..(very witty though..)


He never answered my Question , I would like to know should I address him as Fr , Pastor or Reverend !
As I am respectful to Members of the clergy !
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229. LargoFl 6:54 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
PedleyCA..heed your local warnings,stay safe........SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
515 AM PST WED FEB 6 2013

CAZ042-043-048-050-055>058-060>062-071400-
ORANGE COUNTY COASTAL AREAS-SAN DIEGO COUNTY COASTAL AREAS-
SAN BERNARDINO AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY VALLEYS-THE INLAND EMPIRE-
SAN DIEGO COUNTY VALLEYS-SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY MOUNTAINS-
RIVERSIDE COUNTY MOUNTAINS-SANTA ANA MOUNTAINS AND FOOTHILLS-
SAN DIEGO COUNTY MOUNTAINS-APPLE AND LUCERNE VALLEYS-
COACHELLA VALLEY-SAN DIEGO COUNTY DESERTS-
515 AM PST WED FEB 6 2013

...COLD PACIFIC STORM SYSTEM LATE THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...

A COLD TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE WILL DIG ALONG THE WEST COAST ON
THURSDAY...SENDING A SERIES OF DISTURBANCES ACROSS SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA LATE THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY.

ALTHOUGH THE MODELS ARE STILL SOME DIFFERENCES WITH REGARDS TO THE
MOISTURE...THE STRENGTH...AND THE PRECIPITATION TIMING...IT WILL
LIKELY TURN MUCH COLDER...WITH PERIODS OF STRONG AND GUSTY WINDS
IN THE MOUNTAINS AND DESERTS AS WELL AS PERIODS OF SHOWERS ALONG
AND WEST OF THE MOUNTAINS AND IN THE UPPER DESERTS. SNOW LEVELS
WILL LOWER TO AROUND 2500 FEET FRIDAY EVENING.

* RAINFALL...RANGING FROM ONE-TENTH TO ONE-QUARTER INCH NEAR THE
COAST TO AROUND ONE-HALF IN THE MOUNTAINS...WITH LOCALLY GREATER
AMOUNTS. ONE-TENTH INCH OR LESS IN THE DESERTS.

* SNOWFALL...THREE TO SIX INCHES ABOVE 4000 FEET...WITH LOCAL
AMOUNTS OF SIX TO NINE INCHES...MAINLY ABOVE 6000 FEET. LOCAL
SNOWFALL OF LESS THAN TWO INCHES IN THE UPPER DESERTS...MAINLY
NEAR THE FOOTHILLS. LOCAL AMOUNTS OF LESS THAN TWO INCHES ARE
ALSO POSSIBLE IN THE FAR INLAND VALLEYS NEAR THE COASTAL
FOOTHILLS OF THE MOUNTAINS LATE FRIDAY NIGHT AND EARLY SATURDAY.

* SNOW LEVEL...5000 TO 6000 FEET LATE THURSDAY NIGHT...FALLING TO
BETWEEN 2500 TO 3000 FEET FRIDAY NIGHT AND EARLY SATURDAY. LOCAL
SNOW LEVELS NEAR 2000 FEET WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH HEAVIER SHOWERS.

* THUNDERSTORMS...ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS ARE POSSIBLE FRIDAY
NIGHT... WITH SMALL HAIL OR GRAUPEL POSSIBLE. WATER SPOUTS WILL
BE POSSIBLE OVER THE COASTAL WATERS.

* WINDS...SOUTHWEST TO WEST WINDS IN THE MOUNTAINS AND DESERTS
THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY...WITH STRONGEST GUSTS TO 65
MPH...MAINLY NEAR RIDGE TOPS AND ALONG AND NEAR DESERT MOUNTAIN
SLOPES.

* IMPACTS...THIS WEATHER COULD BE DEADLY FOR UNPREPARED CAMPERS OR
HIKERS. THE COMBINATION OF STRONG WINDS...LOW VISIBILITIES...AND
SNOWFALL COULD CREATE HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS IN THE MOUNTAINS
ESPECIALLY FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT WITH SNOW LEVELS LOW ENOUGH TO
IMPACT TRAVEL ON INTERSTATE 15 THROUGH THE CAJON PASS AND
INTERSTATE 8 THROUGH THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY MOUNTAINS.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
WEBSITE AT WEATHER.GOV/SANDIEGO...OR LOCAL MEDIA FOR UPDATES.

$$

PALMER
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230. RitaEvac 6:54 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No, actually, many scientists are saying the Earth is warming at a dangerous rate and if we don't try to stop it, there will be consequences.

But carry on with your nonsense.


Remember the movie "The day the earth stood still"
What did the alien say? you cannot stop it, the decision has been made. We've watched and waited, but it's time now. There's nothing you can do.
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231. LargoFl 6:56 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
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232. ncstorm 6:58 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting RitaEvac:


Remember the movie "The day the earth stood still"
What did the alien say? you cannot stop it, the decision has been made. We've watched and waited, but it's time now. There's nothing you can do.


it was a flop at the box office..
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233. LargoFl 6:59 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
anyone Like redfish?..this caught down by ft meyers....
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234. Luisport 6:59 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Once the Nor'easter & following Midwest Storm exit, Arctic cold may descend on CONUS for Week 2. Not much would melt very fast.
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235. ncstorm 6:59 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting VR46L:


He never answered my Question , I would like to know should I address him as Fr , Pastor or Reverend !
As I am respectful to Members of the clergy !


I dont want to know..thats one church I wont be visiting..I get enough of that religion on this blog..
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236. PedleyCA 7:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Thanks Largo,
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237. Luisport 7:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
HOLLY CARP!!!
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238. FunnelVortex 7:01 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting ncstorm:


I dont want to know..thats one church I wont be visiting..I get enough of that religion on this blog..


Who? Nea?
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239. VR46L 7:02 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting ncstorm:


I dont want to know..thats one church I wont be visiting..I get enough of that religion on this blog..


LOL I know what you mean ....
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240. RitaEvac 7:02 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting ncstorm:


it was a flop at the box office..


That's because it wasn't entertainment, it scared the hell outta everybody. Man can't control nature, and when Man is not in control Man is not interested. No benefit to Man means not in our interest.
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241. LargoFl 7:03 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
they only caught and turned in 50,hunt ends tomorrow..wont catch ME walking around in the everglades anytime soon lol.............The total number of pythons living in Florida is estimated to be anywhere from a few thousand animals to a few hundred thousand.
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242. FunnelVortex 7:04 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting ncstorm:


it was a flop at the box office..


Because no one likes preachy crap.
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243. overwash12 7:05 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting FunnelVortex:


Because no one likes preachy crap.
Apparently some people do! LOl
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244. LargoFl 7:06 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Global Warming equals..More Tax revenue...remember that..I dont believe a word they say...same thing with red light camera's etc...safety? ..no... more tax revenue..legal mugging in my view...14 trillion in the hole?...just watch what they come up with in the future..the near future.
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246. RitaEvac 7:08 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
Global Warming equals..More Tax revenue...remember that..I dont believe a word they say...same thing with red light camera's etc...safety? ..no... more tax revenue..legal mugging in my view...14 trillion in the hole?...just watch what they come up with in the future..the near future.


We just voted out our red light cameras, they're already coming down. How they are authorized in the first place without voter approval is beyond me, then we have a vote to take them down or not. (after they made their revenue)
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248. washingtonian115 7:10 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Funny how Nea and others alike attack people who believe in religion because it hasn't been proven by scientist...But rub G.W in your face because it has been proven.So what are you trying to say?.Yes I do believe in G.W but I'm not over dramatic and downing others that don't and prancing around being a smart a**......This is why I've stayed away.No one respond.
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249. overwash12 7:11 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting stormchaser43:
You tell me this, Overwash? How is that any different from relentlessly and ENDLESSLY getting the Global Warming / Climate Change agenda shoved down your throat each and EVERY single day??
I'm on your side! It's not like everybody can and will stop burning fossil fuels today,tomorrow,or in the near future,is it?
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251. 1900hurricane 7:13 PM GMT on February 06, 2013    
Quoting FunnelVortex:


I remember the Great Lakes storm of 2010 (I was in it). Its uncommon to see an extratropicial cyclone this organized occur over land.



Something tells me this will be quite similar.

This storm is actually going to come about much differently than that storm did. The 2010 storm was supported by one powerful and well defined 500 mb disturbance that went negative once it entered the plains. This one is in a zonal pattern and will involve the phasing together of two different 500 mb disturbances. The phasing allows the now congealed disturbance to amplify and has a negative tilt because the more northerly disturbance caught up to the southerly one and phased with the southerly one further west. This one will also have a surface high to send cold air into the storm while the 2010 storm did not and was much warmer.

In other words, the 2010 storm was a classic bomb and this upcoming storm looks to be a classic blockbuster nor'easter.
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