Lake Michigan and Lake Huron hit all-time low water levels

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:00 PM GMT on February 06, 2013

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During January 2013, water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron fell to their all-time lowest values since record keeping began in 1918, said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on Tuesday. The two lakes (which are connected and are hydrologically the same lake) fell to a water level of 576.02'. This is 0.4" below the previous record low of 576.05' set in March 1964. The lakes have dropped 17 inches since January 2012, and are now 29 inches below their long-term average. Lake Superior is about 9" above its all-time low water level, and Lakes Erie and Ontario are just 6" below average (26 - 27" above their all-time lows), so these lakes will not set new low water records in 2013. The latest forecast calls for Lake Superior to drop 2 inches during February, Lake Michigan and Huron to drop 1 inch, Lake Erie to rise 2 inches, and Lake Ontario remain near its current level.


Figure 1. Low water levels at Old Mission Point Lighthouse at Grand Traverse Bay, Lake Michigan, during July 2000. Image credit: NOAA/GLERL.


Why the record lows?
The record-low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are due, in part, to dredging operations in their outflow channel, the St. Clair River. The dredging, which stopped in the 1960s, is blamed for a long-term 10 - 16" decrease in water levels. The record low water levels on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron in January occurred despite the fact that precipitation over their watershed was 61% above average during the month. However, precipitation over the past 12 months was only 91% of average, and runoff into the lakes depends upon precipitation over longer than a 1-month period. Furthermore, evaporation over these lakes was much higher than average during January, making the net water supplied to the lakes (runoff into the lakes, plus precipitation over the lakes, minus evaporation from the lakes) only 63% of average. What caused the increased evaporation? Well, very warm water temperatures, for one. According to NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory (GLERL), water temperatures over Lake Michigan are currently about 2.5°F above average, and are about 1°F above average over Lake Huron. These warm water temperatures are the lingering effects of the extraordinary warmth of 2012, which was the warmest year on record over much of the Great Lakes region. Also increasing the evaporation from the lakes during January was the presence of less ice cover than average, which exposed more open water to the air.


Figure 2. The water level on Lake Huron and Lake Michigan measured during 2012 - 2013 (red line) hit an all-time low during January 2013, beating the previous record set in March 1964. The predicted water levels for February - March call for record lows both months. Image credit: Army Corps of Engineers.

Ice cover declining, water temperatures warming, and precipitation increasing in recent decades
The long-term future of Great Lakes water levels is cloudy, since climate change is expected to bring competing effects. A 2011 paper by scientists at NOAA Great Lakes Environemental Research Laboratory found that lake levels could rise or fall, depending upon the climate change scenario used. On the one hand, precipitation has increased by 12% over Michigan during the past century, and is expected to increase even more in the coming decades. This would tend to increase lake levels. However, lake water temperatures are predicted to increase and ice cover decrease, which would heighten evaporation rates. This would tend to lower lake levels. Ice cover on North America's Great Lakes--Superior, Michigan, Huron, Ontario, and Erie--has declined 71% since 1973, according to a 2012 study published in the Journal of Climate by researchers at NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. The loss of ice is due to warming of the lake waters, which could be due to a combination of global warming and natural cycles, the researchers said. Winter air temperatures over the lower Great Lakes increased by about 2.7°F (1.5°C) from 1973 - 2010, and by 4 - 5°F (2.3 - 2.7°C) over the northern Lakes, including Lake Superior. Lake Superior's summer surface water temperature warmed 4.5°F (2.5°C) over the period 1979 - 2006 (Austin and Colman 2007). During the same period, Lake Michigan warmed by about 3.3°F (1.7°C), Lake Huron by 4.3°F (2.4°C), and Lake Erie (which is shallow and loses and gains heat relatively quickly) showed almost no warming. The Army Corps of Engineers is also considering adding speed bumps to the bottom of the St. Clair River to slow down drainage of Lake Huron, which would act to increase water levels in Lake Huron and Lake Michigan.


Figure 3. Average yearly precipitation over the state of Michigan increased by about 12% per century since 1895, according to NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.

References
Austin, J. A., and S. Colman, 2007, "Lake Superior summer water temperatures are increasing more rapidly than regional air temperatures: A positive ice-albedo feedback," Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L06604, doi:10.1029/2006GL029021.

Wang, J., X. Bai, H. Hu, A.H. Clites, M.C. Colton, and B.M. Lofgren, 2012, "Temporal and spatial variability of Great Lakes ice cover, 1973-2010," Journal of Climate 25(4):1318-1329 (DOI:10.1175/2011JCLI4066.1)

Jeff Masters

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Quoting nymore:
I wonder if Jeff will have a blog on this new info about the climate for 2012

From the 2012 state of the climate report Link Now all of a sudden 2012 was not the warmest La Nina on record or second for that matter. It is also the tenth warmest not ninth as previously stated.

La Nina, which is defined by cooler-than-normal waters in the eastern and central equatorial Pacific Ocean that affect weather patterns around the globe, was present during the first three months of 2012. The weak-to-moderate La Nina dissipated in the spring and was replaced by ENSO-neutral conditions for the remainder of the year. When compared to previous La Nina years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the warmest observed during such a year; 2011 was the previous warmest La Nina year on record. When compared to previous La Nina years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the third warmest observed during such a year, behind 2006 and 2009, which are currently tied for warmest.

FWIW Didn't James Hanson call it a strong La Nina just a month ago when evidence shows it was not and even NOAA calls it weak to moderate. You would think one of the other authors of that paper would have caught this blatant lie.
It appears in your zeal to smear yet again the good Dr. Hansen, you've missed the gist of the NOAA statement, which I'll repeat here:

Note: On January 15, 2012, NCDC announced as part of its 2012 Global Climate Report that 2012 was the warmest La Nina year on record. While there are a variety of approaches for defining a La Nina or El Nino year, NCDC's criteria is defined as when the first three months of a calendar year meet the La Nina or El Nino threshold as defined by NOAA Climate Prediction Center's (CPC) Oceanic Nino Index (ONI). The list of historical La Nina years released on January 15 was based on an ONI dataset in force in early 2012 and used a 1971--2000 base period. During the course of the year, CPC introduced an ONI dataset using different base periods for determining anomalies for each year, with the most recent years (1995 to date) utilizing the 1981--2010 base period. Because of long-term warming trends in the equatorial Pacific Ocean, applying this more recent base period allows for better discernment of the temperature patterns needed to identify El Nino and La Nina years. In the most recent version of the dataset, using the newer base period methodology, 2006 and 2009 are now classified as La Nina years. The global average temperature in both 2006 and 2009 was 0.02C (0.04F) higher than 2012, making these two years the warmest La Nina years on record. NCDC has updated (via strikeout) our Annual Global Climate report to reflect the most current CPC ONI dataset.

With binary definitions of El Nino or La Nina, small changes in processing the data can affect the classification of weak El Ninos or La Ninas. Despite these reclassifications, the general conclusions are similar from previous work: (1) global temperature anomalies for each phase (El Nino, La Nina, and neutral) have been increasing over time and (2) on average, global temperatures during El Nino years are higher than neutral years, which in turn, are higher than La Nina years.

NCDC continually examines its practices and definitions as science, datasets, and the understanding they bring improve. Thus, given the nature of our current method of classifying years as El Nino or La Nina, NCDC plans to re-examine and employ the best available definitions and datasets to robustly characterize the influence of El Nino and LaNina on annual global temperatures.


IOW: a) this is how science is done, and b) the planet continues to warm.
Quoting nymore:
They did not change the definition after the report came out. They just did not do their homework and got caught. You would think the people that make the definition would at the very least know what the definition is.
You're certainly free to express such opinions no matter how dreadfully incorrect they are. Ain't America great? ;-)
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Quoting schistkicker:


If you read the note at the top of the link you provided, you'd see that they changed the defining criteria for assigning an El Nino or La Nina year, and explained how this adjusted annual temperature rankings pretty thoroughly. No need for conspiracy theories.
They did not change the definition after the report came out. They just did not do their homework and got caught. You would think the people that make the definition would at the very least know what the definition is.
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
@nwsnashville: NWS Nashville has now confirmed 21 tornadoes struck Middle Tennessee during the January 30 2013 tornado outbreak.



This makes the January 30, 2013 event the largest January tornado outbreak in Middle Tennessee history, eclipsing the previous record of 12 tornadoes that occurred on January 24, 1997. With 21 tornadoes confirmed, it makes January 30 2013 the second biggest outbreak of tornadoes for any month in Middle Tennessee history.




Crazy!
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Quoting RitaEvac:
The 8.0 quake is a figment of your imagination Taz, it never happened, what has happened is climate change is what needs to be burned into your mind. Climate change and Lake Michigan water levels dropping is the One world only events happening. You will be controlled my remote control mind control by the UN and secret agenda corporations that are heavily involved in this movement. ;)

Sarcasm Flag: Burned into your mind ON
the 8.0 earthquake was reported by CNN out in the islands
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New GFS....looks dangerous.
7days
surface low
warm vs cold

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Quoting stormchaser43:
What a snow event. 36 inches as predicted by the NAM. If this really does come true, I think it is safe to say we can all throw out the climate change goofiness. Okay, the hardcore will still be relentlessly clinging on to AGWT, but realistically it's probably safe to say that Global Warming / Climate Change is a theory that has not ever come true.



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Quoting FtMyersgal:
Winter Storm Watch
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
409 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...MORE SNOW TONIGHT AND THURSDAY POSSIBLY HEAVY IN SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN...

.SNOW WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT MAINLY NORTH OF MADISON AND MILWAUKEE
WITH SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN TO THE SOUTH AS LOW PRESSURE
APPROACHES FROM THE WEST. EAST CENTRAL WISCONSIN WILL SEE SEVERAL
INCHES OF SNOW TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY WHILE THERE IS THE
POTENTIAL FOR MORE SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OVER SOUTHEAST
WISCONSIN ON THURSDAY AS LOW PRESSURE STRENGTHENS. LIGHT ICE
ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE TONIGHT OVER FAR SOUTHERN AND SOUTHWEST
WISCONSIN WHERE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN.

WIZ059-060-065-066-070>072-061815-
/O.NEW.KMKX.WS.A.0003.130207T1200Z-130208T0000Z/
WASHINGTON-OZAUKEE-WAUKESHA-MILWAUKEE-WALWORTH-RA CINE-KENOSHA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WEST BEND...PORT WASHINGTON...
WAUKESHA...BROOKFIELD...MILWAUKEE...ELKHORN...LAK E GENEVA...
RACINE...KENOSHA
409 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY MORNING THROUGH
THURSDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY MORNING
THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON.

* TIMING...LIGHT SNOW WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT BUT BECOME HEAVIER ON
THURSDAY. SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN MAY MIX WITH THE SNOW TONIGHT
FROM WAUKESHA TO MILWAUKEE AND SOUTH TO THE ILLINOIS BORDER.
LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 8 INCHES MAINLY ON THURSDAY.

* IMPACTS...SNOW COVERED ROADS AND HAZARDOUS TRAVEL.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.

&&

$$
MG/DDV




..In the spring when all this snow cover melts, hopefully it will help refill the great lakes some
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Quoting nymore:
I wonder if Jeff will have a blog on this new info about the climate for 2012

From the 2012 state of the climate report Link Now all of a sudden 2012 was not the warmest La Nina on record or second for that matter. It is also the tenth warmest not ninth as previously stated.

La Niña, which is defined by cooler-than-normal waters in the eastern and central equatorial Pacific Ocean that affect weather patterns around the globe, was present during the first three months of 2012. The weak-to-moderate La Niña dissipated in the spring and was replaced by ENSO-neutral conditions for the remainder of the year. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the warmest observed during such a year; 2011 was the previous warmest La Niña year on record. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the third warmest observed during such a year, behind 2006 and 2009, which are currently tied for warmest.

FWIW Didn't James Hanson call it a strong La Nina just a month ago when evidence shows it was not and even NOAA calls it weak to moderate. You would think one of the other authors of that paper would have caught this blatant lie.


If you read the note at the top of the link you provided, you'd see that they changed the defining criteria for assigning an El Nino or La Nina year, and explained how this adjusted annual temperature rankings pretty thoroughly. No need for conspiracy theories.
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Quoting VR46L:


Interesting Chart Good Information, Pedley.

Thanks!!



Was trying to source a comment I made last night that I got from the Ch-5 Los Angeles News. They said there were 500k People and 1000 islands in that group of Islands. Can't verify the number of islands but that takes care of the population part. There is a wiki entry with a list of islands but it might be in the hundreds and may be incomplete.

56.3 here this morning.



This is worse than yesterday for Riverside, Orange and San Diego counties.
L.A. county is bad too.
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@nwsnashville: NWS Nashville has now confirmed 21 tornadoes struck Middle Tennessee during the January 30 2013 tornado outbreak.



This makes the January 30, 2013 event the largest January tornado outbreak in Middle Tennessee history, eclipsing the previous record of 12 tornadoes that occurred on January 24, 1997. With 21 tornadoes confirmed, it makes January 30 2013 the second biggest outbreak of tornadoes for any month in Middle Tennessee history.

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AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

RT @nwsnashville: NWS Nashville has now confirmed 21 tornadoes struck Middle Tennessee during the January 30 2013 tornado outbreak.
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Deadly Pileup in S. Georgia May Be Fog-Related






I wouldn't doubt this, when I left home this morning to go to swim practice, I couldnt see the end of my driveway, or the other side of the road when I stopped at a stop sign.
Eerie stuff.
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And what of the relationship between global warming, rising ocean levels and earthquakes?
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

NAM 12z QPF (liquid) forecast thru 84-hours. 5'' http://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/299197366660132 864/photo/1
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I wonder if Jeff will have a blog on this new info about the climate for 2012

From the 2012 state of the climate report Link Now all of a sudden 2012 was not the warmest La Nina on record or second for that matter. It is also the tenth warmest not ninth as previously stated.

La Niña, which is defined by cooler-than-normal waters in the eastern and central equatorial Pacific Ocean that affect weather patterns around the globe, was present during the first three months of 2012. The weak-to-moderate La Niña dissipated in the spring and was replaced by ENSO-neutral conditions for the remainder of the year. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the warmest observed during such a year; 2011 was the previous warmest La Niña year on record. When compared to previous La Niña years, the 2012 global surface temperature was the third warmest observed during such a year, behind 2006 and 2009, which are currently tied for warmest.

FWIW Didn't James Hanson call it a strong La Nina just a month ago when evidence shows it was not and even NOAA calls it weak to moderate. You would think one of the other authors of that paper would have caught this blatant lie.
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Quoting stormchaser43:
What a snow event. 36 inches as predicted by the NAM. If this really does come true, I think it is safe to say we can all throw out the climate change goofiness. Okay, the hardcore will still be relentlessly clinging on to AGWT, but realistically it's probably safe to say that Global Warming / Climate Change is a theory that has not ever come true.

naw you see with GW you get more increased levels of water vapour in the atmosphere which likly leads to copious amounts of precip in storm events on the surface which in turn leads to excessive rainfall totals snowfall totals in high impact events such as we shall see here
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Wisconsin and great lakes in for a good winter storm

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"So we cant talk about thunderstorms because dr masters didnt? It's not hurricane season and we talk about lots of other things on here besides tropical weather and the blog topic."

Obviously there's not strict topic enforcement in non-hurricane season. Tazmanian seemed to think that Dr. Masters himself should cover the Solomons quake. That's not what the good Doctor uses the blog for. It's like complaining if the Sports section of a newspaper doesn't run a big story on corruption in local government.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
NAM went absolutely insane with snow totals. Over 6 feet in Massachussetts.
we see what happens on tonights run that will be a better handle on things this is likly a high impact winter event
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
NAM went absolutely insane with snow totals. Over 6 feet in Massachussetts.


NAM has wide swaths of 36-48"

since stormchaser just posted the nam i'll change mine to the GFS.(which is coming in significantly snowier than the last run

The light pink spot in Massachusetts on the GFS is 24 inches.

This run:


Last run:

Also a little bit of instability available.
100-200 j/kg


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Quoting geestar3:
Tazmanian, I agree that a strong earthquake anywhere is news, but this blog has a particular purpose, and discussion of earthquakes is not it. Note this text, right from the start of the comments box:

"When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself."



So we cant talk about thunderstorms because dr masters didnt? It's not hurricane season and we talk about lots of other things on here besides tropical weather and the blog topic.
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Quoting ncstorm:


I find issue with that statement..Nemo was not fun and innocent..

he was kidnapped and put in a 30 X 12 see through containment, his father was almost eaten by cannibals, he was put in a controlled environment with adults, he was sold without consent to a terrifying 5 year old, he was flushed down a toilet and almost suffocated to death, left unattended with an adult fish who had short term memory loss..I see no fun and innocent there :)


That was pure win
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NAM went absolutely insane with snow totals. Over 6 feet in Massachussetts.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
A winter storm named Nemo may sound fun and innocent, but trust me, this system will be anything but. Portions of New England are expecting FEET of snow and very intense winds.


I find issue with that statement..Nemo was not fun and innocent..

he was kidnapped and put in a 30 X 12 see through containment, his father was almost eaten by cannibals, he was put in a controlled environment with adults, he was sold without consent to a terrifying 5 year old, he was flushed down a toilet and almost suffocated to death, left unattended with an adult fish who had short term memory loss..I see no fun and innocent there :)
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Winter Storm Watch
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
409 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...MORE SNOW TONIGHT AND THURSDAY POSSIBLY HEAVY IN SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN...

.SNOW WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT MAINLY NORTH OF MADISON AND MILWAUKEE
WITH SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN TO THE SOUTH AS LOW PRESSURE
APPROACHES FROM THE WEST. EAST CENTRAL WISCONSIN WILL SEE SEVERAL
INCHES OF SNOW TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY WHILE THERE IS THE
POTENTIAL FOR MORE SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OVER SOUTHEAST
WISCONSIN ON THURSDAY AS LOW PRESSURE STRENGTHENS. LIGHT ICE
ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE TONIGHT OVER FAR SOUTHERN AND SOUTHWEST
WISCONSIN WHERE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN.

WIZ059-060-065-066-070>072-061815-
/O.NEW.KMKX.WS.A.0003.130207T1200Z-130208T0000Z/
WASHINGTON-OZAUKEE-WAUKESHA-MILWAUKEE-WALWORTH-RA CINE-KENOSHA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WEST BEND...PORT WASHINGTON...
WAUKESHA...BROOKFIELD...MILWAUKEE...ELKHORN...LAK E GENEVA...
RACINE...KENOSHA
409 AM CST WED FEB 6 2013

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY MORNING THROUGH
THURSDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY MORNING
THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON.

* TIMING...LIGHT SNOW WILL DEVELOP TONIGHT BUT BECOME HEAVIER ON
THURSDAY. SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN MAY MIX WITH THE SNOW TONIGHT
FROM WAUKESHA TO MILWAUKEE AND SOUTH TO THE ILLINOIS BORDER.
LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 8 INCHES MAINLY ON THURSDAY.

* IMPACTS...SNOW COVERED ROADS AND HAZARDOUS TRAVEL.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.

&&

$$
MG/DDV




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Quoting Tazmanian:




too late where all still here
for now
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And while the NE gets buried in snow, I'm just hoping this day 7 severe weather pans out:



GFS hinting at a possible weak/positively tilted longwave trough and surface low, but is keeping everything near the gulf coast, but far too warm for snow in the north gulf coast states.
I don't want just rain.
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Tazmanian, I agree that a strong earthquake anywhere is news, but this blog has a particular purpose, and discussion of earthquakes is not it. Note this text, right from the start of the comments box:

"When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself."
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The 8.0 quake is a figment of your imagination Taz, it never happened, what has happened is climate change is what needs to be burned into your mind. Climate change and Lake Michigan water levels dropping is the One world only events happening. You will be controlled my remote control mind control by the UN and secret agenda corporations that are heavily involved in this movement. ;)

Sarcasm Flag: Burned into your mind ON
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Also, Sunday into Monday, storm to bury upper-plains into Minneapolis. https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/29918870701200 9985/photo/1
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sorry wrong post
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Quoting Tazmanian:



POOF you goo too my ingor list how dear you say that that 8.0 has done a lot of damgs and it have even killed



thats other reson why dr m sould have talk about that then this

It's so far killed 6 people. It was a mainly local even. Honiara, the capital of the Solomon islands had a 8cm(3.5in) wave. Honiara is 361 miles away from the epicentre. Also remember Taz, this is a weather blog, not an earthquake blog, but I guess nor is the water levels of the Great Lakes.

Did Dr Masters do a blog on Tropical Cyclone Oswald, which killed 6 people and has caused millions maybe even a billion $$$ worth of damage to Queensland and New South Wales as a Tropical Low? No. Why, cause as I said, this blog is mainly CONUS centric.
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winter storm named Nemo


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Quoting RitaEvac:


It's an isolated event Taz, nothing to see here, move along. When one wipes out the west coast or the island off Africa finally breaks off and wipes out the east coast, and everybody is dead, there will be nothing left for climate change to change or kill off.



POOF you goo too my ingor list how dear you say that that 8.0 has done a lot of damgs and it have even killed



thats other reson why dr m sould have talk about that then this
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Quoting PedleyCA:
chart

Charts for population of Solomons....


Interesting Chart Good Information, Pedley.

Thanks!!

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A winter storm named Nemo may sound fun and innocent, but trust me, this system will be anything but. Portions of New England are expecting FEET of snow and very intense winds.
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Quoting Tazmanian:
Quoting stormchaser43:

Actually, no. It cannot wait, Taz. We must keep pounding away at the climate change agenda. We must continue to shove every weather event down others throats so they will be forced to believe it.

Lake Michigan has been lower numerous times in history. But hang on! This time, it must be climate change. It must be.



the hell with climate change when we got a 8.0 that happen last night wish is news climate change we can talk about any time when there not news going on but when you have a 8.0 that hit some where it be comes big news


It's an isolated event Taz, nothing to see here, move along. When one wipes out the west coast or the island off Africa finally breaks off and wipes out the east coast, and everybody is dead, there will be nothing left for climate change to change or kill off.
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Quoting hydrus:
It doesnt matter, 12/21/12 the world ends...:)




too late where all still here
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Quoting stormchaser43:

Actually, no. It cannot wait, Taz. We must keep pounding away at the climate change agenda. We must continue to shove every weather event down others throats so they will be forced to believe it.

Lake Michigan has been lower numerous times in history. But hang on! This time, it must be climate change. It must be.



the hell with climate change when we got a 8.0 that happen last night wish is news climate change we can talk about any time when there not news going on but when you have a 8.0 that hit some where it be comes big news
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chart

Charts for population of Solomons....
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For what it's worth, the original Weather Underground weather data project started at the University of Michigan, where Dr. Masters was getting his Ph.D. He still lives in Michigan. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that his blog might be more focused on the Great Lakes and the continental United States because of that. For more on the history of the Weather Underground, see here:
http://www.wunderground.com/about/background.asp

For more on Dr. Masters, here:
http://www.wunderground.com/about/jmasters.asp
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Quoting stormchaser43:

Actually, no. It cannot wait, Taz. We must keep pounding away at the climate change agenda. We must continue to shove every weather event down others throats so they will be forced to believe it.

Lake Michigan has been lower numerous times in history. But hang on! This time, it must be climate change. It must be.
It doesnt matter, 12/21/12 the world ends...:)
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Jim Cantore‏@JimCantore

Here is a close up of the NAM Armageddon. Snowfall max near Portland, ME at 56.9". Yes that is 4.75FEET: http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATION ID=BOX … #MAwx #snow Link
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we have a new winter storm named call nemo
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Warm Weather Forces Changes Ahead of Iditarod Race

By MARY PILON - NYT - February 5, 2013
Excerpt: (Willow, Alaska) The thick, powdery blanket of snow on the trails and the frigid temperatures have made a musher haven out of Willow, where locals joke that dogs outnumber humans. But as Luan Marques rode this winter, he and his huskies trudged over dirt patches and bramble, surrounded by tree branches that once held fluffy snow. Instead of subzero conditions, which are ideal for the sport, temperatures have been in the 30s and 40s.

“It’s raining and not snowing,” Marques said during a recent training ride, maneuvering the dogs to avoid puddles on the trail. “That’s not good.”

It has made for a trying winter for mushers. Several Iditarod qualifying events have been postponed, rerouted or canceled because of a lack of snow. The John Beargrease sled dog race, a trek of some 400 miles in northern Minnesota, postponed its start to March 10 from Jan. 27. In Alaska, the Don Bowers Memorial 200/300, the Sheep Mountain Lodge 150 and the Knik 200 have been canceled. The Copper Basin 300 in Glennallen, Alaska, had to cut its trail for several teams by 25 miles because there was not enough snow at the finish line; the mushers finished the race with their hats and gloves off and jackets unzipped.

“That was crazy with the warm weather,” said Zack Steer, one of the race’s organizers. “It was such a drastic change from last year, but the trail at the end was dirt. It wasn’t safe.”


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