Drought predicted to continue though April; record low Lake Michigan water levels

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 6:14 PM GMT on January 18, 2013

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Rain and snow from the a series of winter storms that have swept across the nation so far in 2013 have put only a slight dent in the Great Drought of 2012 - 2013, and the drought is likely to extend at least until late April, according to the latest U.S. Drought Monitor report and NOAA Seasonal Drought Outlook, issued Thursday. The area of the contiguous U.S. covered by moderate or greater drought began 2013 at 61%, and is almost unchanged as of January 15, at 59%. According to NOAA's monthly State of the Drought report, the drought peaked during July 2012, when 61.8% of the contiguous U.S. was covered by moderate or greater drought. This made the 2012 drought the greatest U.S. drought since the Dust Bowl year of 1939, when 62.1% of the U.S. was in drought. The 2013 drought will maintain its grip over the U.S. into February, according to the latest 15-day precipitation forecast from the GFS model, which predicts a much below-average chance of precipitation across the large majority of the drought region during the next two weeks. These dry conditions will continue to cause problems for shipping on the Mississippi River, where barge traffic has been limited by near-record low water. However, the river level at St. Louis has risen about a foot since the beginning of the year, and the Army Corps of Engineers blasted away rock formations on the river bottom near Thebes, Illinois over the past two weeks, which should allow limited barge traffic to continue on the river at least through the end of January. The Corps now believes that will be able to keep shipping on the Mississippi River open into the summer. The latest NOAA river level forecast calls for the river to fall below -5' by January 30, which would be one of the five lowest water levels on record for St. Louis.


Figure 1. Predicted 7-day precipitation for the period ending on Friday, January 25. Less than 10% of the U.S. drought regions are predicted to receive as much as 0.5" of precipitation (dark green color.) Image credit: NOAA.


Figure 2. NOAA's January 17 Seasonal Drought Outlook calls for drought to persist over at least 70% of the U.S. drought area through the end of April. The drought is expected to ease some along its northern and eastern edges, but new areas of drought are predicted to develop over Texas, California, and the Southeast U.S.


Figure 3. The latest NOAA river level forecast calls for the Mississippi River to fall below -5' by January 30. The river's lowest level on record, -6.2', occurred in January 1940, after the great Dust Bowl droughts of the 1930s.

Lake Michigan and Lake Huron hit all-time record low water levels for January
Low water is also a problem on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. After setting an all-time record low for the month of December, water levels have continued to fall, are are now 1" below the record-lowest January water level, observed in January 1965, according to the Army Corps of Engineers. Water levels on Lake Michigan, Lake Huron, and Lake Superior are predicted to fall 1 - 2" over the next month, due to below average precipitation. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are already at 576.0', so if this forecast verifies, they will set the record for their all-time monthly level, the 576.05' level of March 1964. Lake Superior is still 6" above its all-time low water level, so will not set a new record. Below average ice cover, which allows increased evaporation, is contributing to the low water levels. The low ice cover is due to the record warm year of 2012, which has left the lakes 2 - 3°C above average in temperature, as of January 8. Barges on the lakes are being forced to carry reduced loads due to the low water. Great Lakes water level data goes back to 1918.


Figure 4. The water level on Lake Huron and Lake Michigan measured during 2012 - 2013 (red line) hit an all-time December monthly low during December 2012, beating the record set in 1964. The predicted water levels for January - March call for record lows all three months. Image credit: Army Corps of Engineers.

Long-term drought outlook
NOAA's January 17 Seasonal Drought Outlook calls for drought to persist over at least 70% of the U.S. drought area through the end of April. The drought is expected to ease some along its northern and eastern edges, but new areas of drought are predicted to develop over Texas, California, and the Southeast U.S. I don't see any signs of a shift in the fundamental large-scale atmospheric flow patterns coming, and it is good bet that drought will be a huge concern as we enter spring. NOAA's Climate Prediction Center predicts an increased chance of drier than average conditions over southwestern portions of the drought region during the coming three months. In general, droughts are more likely in the Midwest U.S. when warmer than average ocean temperatures prevail in the tropical Atlantic, with cooler than average ocean temperatures in the tropical Eastern Pacific (La Niña-like conditions.) This is what we had in during most of 2012, and continue to have in 2013. In fact, the equatorial tropical Pacific has cooled in recent weeks to 0.6°C below average (as of January 14). This is similar to the ocean temperatures seen in the spring of 2012, just before the Great Drought of 2012 began. Most of the U.S. drought region needs 3 - 9" of precipitation to pull out of drought.

Drought links:
My post on Lessons from 2012: Droughts, not Hurricanes, are the Greater Danger discussed how drought is our greatest threat from climate change.

Ricky Rood blogs about the Dust Bowl

Wunderground weather news
Wunderground's Angela Fritz has put together a weather news feature that provides a selection of recent media articles on major global weather events. For example, Sydney, Australia's biggest city, set it's all-time heat record today, with the temperature peaking at 45.8 degrees Celsius (114.4 Fahrenheit). The old record, of 45.3 C (113.5 Fahrenheit), was set in January 1939. Also, heavy snow hit Britain today, and a dock from Japan showed up on the coast of Washington.

Featured blogger Lee Grenci has a new post today on the incredibly intense 932 mb low that affected the Aleutian Islands yesterday.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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Low water level at Old Mission Lighthouse. View taken from Lighthouse. In 1986 the water level was at the green area just in front of the sunbathers. On 45th. parallel 18 miles north of Traverse City, Michigan on the tip of Old Mission Peninsula.
Old Mission

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Quoting kwgirl:
I agree with you about it being a crisis. However, with all the multiple crisises the government is dealing with, this one is down on the list, I'm sure. The Army Corp of Engineers are working to solve the problem. The only problem with that is that they need orders from the top to deviate from SOP and it takes time for those orders to trickle down. I just think the world will be seeing more and more crisis. And the American Government is in gridlock. No wonder a lot of Americans are arming themselves, storing food stuffs and preparing for the chaos. We no longer have faith in the American Government being able to react quickly nor do we have faith in the "kindness of strangers". It is a sad state of affairs for America and the world.


Me tinks you are kinda underestimating the will,kindness and courage of the American Way. You know, the Country who saved Europe and Asia from Tyranny twice in the 20th Century,Genocide included, and well. ...pioneered the Technology we enjoy across the Globe unilaterally today.

Semper Fi...is Latin for "Always Faithful"
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Quoting VR46L:


Except there is next to no eventful weather in the US at the moment whereas there is eventful weather in Europe and Australia...
Rutgers Sat image IR of US




Keep your eyes on the Gulf of Alaska!
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Well, drought is expected to start creeping back into Florida, yet again. It seems like we have like we have short windows of not being in drought but then drought takes over again and we have to wait a year to recover again.
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From the Lee Side
Explosive Cyclogenesis and Huge Ocean Waves
Posted by: Lee Grenci, 10:53 AM CST on January 18, 2013



I didn't want the week to end without documenting the rapidly deepening low-pressure system east of Japan on Monday and Tuesday. The mid-latitude cyclone's minimum barometric pressure fell from 965 mb at 12Z on January 14 (surface analysis from the Ocean Prediction Center) to 932 mb at 06Z on January 15 (OPC surface analysis), a drop of 33 mb in just 18 hours. Explosive cyclogenesis, indeed (note the reference to hurricane-force winds on the 06Z surface analysis).




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Thank you:-
77. kwgirl

"I agree with you about it being a crisis. However, with all the multiple crisises the government is dealing with, this one is down on the list, I'm sure."

As another member of the PlazaRed,(now unfortunately no longer with us,) said!
"We can accept a limited numbers of refugees!"
The more I think about it the worse it gets. If this was Africa it would be a problem. As its North America its could be a disaster.
We Really hope and wish you get your rains and if you dont then please conserve what you have, because you have got a lot and we in Europe are eternally greatful to know you are our true friends over there.

Now then Grother. I know you are lurking about on here, as you pulsed a post earlier.
Its Saturday now for us and tomorrow it will be Saturday for you. Happy Friday for the time being. Night, night from Europe. Plaza.
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Quoting PlazaRed:

Sorry for the error, I realise my misinterpretation of your whereabouts now!
It was that 55 degrees north ( you must have mentioned it at some point,)that stuck in my mind or bucket as the case may be.
I was in Manchester for the winter,last year,from whence I came and it was quite mild, a sort of refreshment to my memories of weeks of blizzards and freezing conditions trapped beneath piles of breath, dew soaked blankets waiting for some sort of thaw, or at least a passing snow plough? The last dregs of damp tobacco being inched out onto the cigarette papers and cupping my hands over the dying glow for warmth.
Yes 55 degrees north is not without its memories but its the arteries of the hinterland of the north America's we are concerned with here and not bygone times in a cold damp island.


Except there is next to no eventful weather in the US at the moment whereas there is eventful weather in Europe and Australia...
Rutgers Sat image IR of US



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Has the weather channel named this front. It is going to bring Blizzard conditions.

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Riverside, California (Airport)
Updated: 48 min 46 sec ago
Clear
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Humidity: 9%
Dew Point: 13 °F
Wind: 10 mph from the NNE
Wind Gust: 17 mph
Pressure: 30.05 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 3 out of 16
Pollen: 8.20 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
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Quoting VR46L:


No I Couldn't have LOL, I live in the North part of the republic of Ireland. There is a lady with a star wars handle thats from Wales . But definitely not me ...

Sorry for the error, I realise my misinterpretation of your whereabouts now!
It was that 55 degrees north ( you must have mentioned it at some point,)that stuck in my mind or bucket as the case may be.
I was in Manchester for the winter,last year,from whence I came and it was quite mild, a sort of refreshment to my memories of weeks of blizzards and freezing conditions trapped beneath piles of breath, dew soaked blankets waiting for some sort of thaw, or at least a passing snow plough? The last dregs of damp tobacco being inched out onto the cigarette papers and cupping my hands over the dying glow for warmth.
Yes 55 degrees north is not without its memories but its the arteries of the hinterland of the north America's we are concerned with here and not bygone times in a cold damp island.
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Quoting Minnemike:
where the heck did this 40's temp weather come from in the Twin Cities?? we were just flirting zero, and will surely again in the next 48hrs.. this was unexpected!
did you watch any of the goof's on the roof on tv or read the paper. It was forecast

Paul's Star Tribune Outlook for the Twin Cities and all of Minnesota:


TODAY: Light snow tapers, slick roads early. Another January Thaw. Pleasant. Winds: SW 15. High: 36-40

Oh yea and go Sioux beat the rodents this weekend
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where the heck did this 40's temp weather come from in the Twin Cities?? we were just flirting zero, and will surely again in the next 48hrs.. this was unexpected!
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80) 2.6 X my sq ft, 2 X my bathrooms, same bedrooms, but at least 26 X the cost! I guess it's location! lol, does look like a spectacular view, always wanted to see/ski the Tetons! Everyone have a great weekend!
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Don't know about thousands of years, at least for the Ogalla and Edwards. They were pretty low after 80s droughts, the recharged pretty well in the 90s. Not saying aren't overpumped, but can recharge pretty well. Plus, irrigation has gotten much more efficient over last 20 yrs, so ag taking less than in 60s & 70s, at least per acre irrigated.
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They didn't have to do near the blasting they were anticipating originally on the rock pinnacles at Thebes, were able to do most of it with excavators, Plaza. That area got pretty good rain last week as well. Further north and west, not so much, so by end of month StL supposed to be back down to 1 foot above the minimum for traffic (-6). Every time we've got close so far, something has happened to get it back up, but not sure how lucky we'll continue to be.

Glad to hear you got a break in your drought, hoping for same for my neighbors to the west.

The Great Lakes seem to fluctuate quite a bit, nothing necessarily new. Considering the lack of ice last two winters, heat and drought last summer, I'm not surprised they're low.
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Regarding the drought in the Midwest, realize also that much of the agriculture in that region depends heavily on pumping water out of the ground for irrigation. The aquifers have been drawn way down and as the drought continues they will be drawn down even further, perhaps even emptied. Recharge comes from a long ways away and takes thousands of years (if there even is rain or snow in the recharge areas) -- my guess is that the real impact of the drought will be felt in the farming sector this year or next year and it will take a LONG time to recover.
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Just in From the BBC;
Sydney bakes on hottest day on record as bushfires rage

The Australian city of Sydney is experiencing its hottest day on record, with temperatures reaching nearly 46C.

A temperature of 45.8C was recorded at Observatory Hill in the city at 14:55 local time (01:55 GMT).

Some areas in the wider Sydney region were even hotter, with the town of Penrith, to the west, registering a temperature of 46.5C.

In Victoria state, one man has been killed by a bushfire, one of dozens raging across southern Australia.

State police said the body of the man, who has not been identified, was found in a burnt-out vehicle close to Seaton, a small town some 200km (120 miles) east of Melbourne.

He is the first person confirmed to have been killed by this year's fires, though a firefighter died while tackling a blaze in Tasmania earlier last Sunday. Officials have not yet determined how he died.

Firefighters are still battling dozens of wildfires sparked by the intense heat in New South Wales and Victoria.

The small town of Licola in eastern Victoria is reported to have been cut off by a 44,500-hectare fire, as its sole access road is blocked.

Officials said dozens of people had been evacuated but 10 locals were still there.

Rob Gilder, a sheep farmer, said he and two employees had found themselves trapped on their farm and were "in grave danger".

He told the Herald Sun they were taking steps to protect their house and farm equipment, but that he was concerned for his livestock, and that the situation could worsen.

"I am very worried. But I am hopeful that one of those helicopters will come and get us but I think the smoke might beat them."


Fire crews have been tackling huge fires across Victoria and New South Wales
Australia faces wildfires each year as temperatures climb. In February 2009, on what has come to be known as Black Saturday, 173 people were killed in fires in the state of Victoria.

On Friday, Prime Minister Julia Gillard attended a memorial service for fires in 2003 in the capital, Canberra, which killed four people and destroyed thousands of homes.

She reminded Australians to "take the appropriate precautions to stay safe and monitor information from local emergency services as they work to protect lives and property", the AFP news agency reports.

'Be prepared'
The previous recorded high in Sydney was in January 1939, when the thermometer topped 45.3C at Observatory Hill.

The Bureau of Meteorology said in a statement that Friday's record-setting temperatures "were not limited to Sydney, with records being set along the coast from Bega (44.6 C) to Williamtown (44.8 C)".

"The highest temperature recorded in the Greater Sydney Area was 46.5 %uFFFDC at Penrith, where observations started in 1995."

Officials in Sydney have warned people to be ready for the heat, take care, avoid strenuous activity and stay out of the sun.

The heat has damaged wiring to urban railway lines, bringing delays to much of the network - CityRail have warned passengers to carry water with them.

The emergency services has received dozens of calls from people seeking help for heat-related health issues, including dizziness, fainting and vomiting, ABC News reports.

Chief Superintendent Ian Johns said elderly and ill people tended to suffer the most, but warned that "people underestimate the heat and overestimate their ability and that would be particularly so for younger, fitter Australians".

The heatwave across Australia in recent weeks has been so intense that the Bureau of Meteorology has had to add a new shade to its colour-coded temperature chart, so the scale now reaches above 50C.

However, meteorologists have forecast a dramatic change in weather overnight in Sydney, with thunder
storms expected to bring a rapid drop in temperatures.

Link
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Quoting PlazaRed:

I know, you said you were in North Wales at some distant point in past times.
Its about 70 MPH here at the moment in gusts, throwing it down with rain and high speed ground fogs or mists. I'm sure there are words, or names for them but just ground level high speed fogs will do.
If it wasn't raining cats, dogs and catfish, I could venture outside and try and take a few photos of the scenes at nearly 11pm.
When "Keeper" gets on here we can pester him about he lake levels and other things that might affect the future of humanity, as hes on the edge of the lakes!


No I Couldn't have LOL, I live in the North part of the republic of Ireland. There is a lady with a star wars handle thats from Wales . But definitely not me ...
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Just curious, does anyone have a link for the northern hemisphere polar satellite loop? It would be greatly appreciated.
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Quoting ncstorm:


so you would swim in a river knowing that was swimming along with you?..LOL..no mamm..teeth or no teeth, he can still try to grab you and swallow..


Plus the fins on a catfish are very sharp and they are not shy about using them. Could easily cause a deathly gash 4 to 6 inches deep.
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Quoting ncstorm:


the fact that the guy in the picture is in water up to his neck with those monsters possibly swimming around him..I have to say he is one brave soul


Indeed!

Viewing the pic, I was instantly reminded of something the woman that sells tropical fish once said, when advising me about the compatibility of various species: "If one fish can fit into another fishes mouth, it generally does."

Looks like that fella would slide head first just right into that maw.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
I prefer organic snow :).


Do you mean like this?



I am not certain, but I think you have to buy the house to get that snow. It is for sale.

"
Teton Village, Wyoming

Asking price: $3.895 million
Home details: 5 bedrooms; 6 baths; 6,250 square feet"
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Quoting VR46L:


Actually its 24 months since I have seen snow but I imagine it will be different tomorrow morning ..could do without the 75mph gusts and aye I do live at 55N lat

I know, you said you were in North Wales at some distant point in past times.
Its about 70 MPH here at the moment in gusts, throwing it down with rain and high speed ground fogs or mists. I'm sure there are words, or names for them but just ground level high speed fogs will do.
If it wasn't raining cats, dogs and catfish, I could venture outside and try and take a few photos of the scenes at nearly 11pm.
When "Keeper" gets on here we can pester him about he lake levels and other things that might affect the future of humanity, as hes on the edge of the lakes!
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It seems everyone has gone home, or just about. Have a goodnight and great weekend all. I'll see ya'll on Monday.
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Quoting PlazaRed:
My apologies for blatantly ranting on about this but:-
If you people in the lower states, are having major problems with the freight flow on the Mississippi, to the extent that the river bed is being modified with high explosives and the water levels of the Great Lakes are dropping due to droughts, then logic among other things seems to point to the fact that you will very shortly be facing some sort of crisis, if in deed this is not allready the case?
The summery of the facts and reports posted on this blog, especially from the residents of Texas, though they are not alone in this plight; would indicate that unless the forthcoming season is abundant in rains, dire consequences will prevail.
Now it also seems that the peoples of the the regions surrounding the Great Lakes may also be entering a period of water level uncertainty!
I'm only a simple construction worker but this seems to me like an almost worst case scenario, when your 2 main arteries are blocked by droughts.
I agree with you about it being a crisis. However, with all the multiple crisises the government is dealing with, this one is down on the list, I'm sure. The Army Corp of Engineers are working to solve the problem. The only problem with that is that they need orders from the top to deviate from SOP and it takes time for those orders to trickle down. I just think the world will be seeing more and more crisis. And the American Government is in gridlock. No wonder a lot of Americans are arming themselves, storing food stuffs and preparing for the chaos. We no longer have faith in the American Government being able to react quickly nor do we have faith in the "kindness of strangers". It is a sad state of affairs for America and the world.
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Quoting PlazaRed:

And so it should be!
You are probably 55 degrees north of the equator in mid January with a nasty Easterly wind blowing.
If it wasn't for the gulf stream you would all be glaciated.
I just could not resist that one having previously endured the UK. climate for well over 4 decades.

Noting:- 67. TropicalAnalystwx13.
Looks like the top half of the "blue marble," is about to get a smattering of frost?


Actually its 24 months since I have seen snow but I imagine it will be different tomorrow morning ..could do without the 75mph gusts and aye I do live at 55N lat
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Never fear, washy. Where there is a will, there is a way!

Have you grown wearing of not having any snow this year? Well, you are in luck!
I prefer organic snow :).
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We must not be getting as warm a south wind as StL, they made 55, we're only at 45 in S C IL. They did take the single digit low out of the Tuesday morning forecast, now a balmy 10 instead of 8. We'll see. Monday's high 17, Tuesday's 22. Sure the Mississippi will start dropping again as freezing occurs up north.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Another failed storm is all I'm gonna say.


Never fear, washy. Where there is a will, there is a way!

Have you grown wearing of not having any snow this year? Well, you are in luck!
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Quoting VR46L:
UK and Ireland radar ...Snowing here .


And so it should be!
You are probably 55 degrees north of the equator in mid January with a nasty Easterly wind blowing.
If it wasn't for the gulf stream you would all be glaciated.

I just could not resist that one having previously endured the UK. climate for well over 4 decades.

Noting:- 67. TropicalAnalystwx13.
Looks like the top half of the "blue marble," is about to get a smattering of frost?
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Another failed storm is all I'm gonna say.
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My apologies for blatantly ranting on about this but:-
If you people in the lower states, are having major problems with the freight flow on the Mississippi, to the extent that the river bed is being modified with high explosives and the water levels of the Great Lakes are dropping due to droughts, then logic among other things seems to point to the fact that you will very shortly be facing some sort of crisis, if in deed this is not allready the case?
The summery of the facts and reports posted on this blog, especially from the residents of Texas, though they are not alone in this plight; would indicate that unless the forthcoming season is abundant in rains, dire consequences will prevail.
Now it also seems that the peoples of the the regions surrounding the Great Lakes may also be entering a period of water level uncertainty!
I'm only a simple construction worker but this seems to me like an almost worst case scenario, when your 2 main arteries are blocked by droughts.
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Yaaawn, though officially out because of the need of gathering some sleep, I just found those bad news, related to the topics, but back to the aftermath of 2005:

Severe Climate Jeopardizing Amazon Forest, Study Finds

Jan. 18, 2013 — An area of the Amazon rainforest twice the size of California continues to suffer from the effects of a megadrought that began in 2005, finds a new NASA-led study. These results, together with observed recurrences of droughts every few years and associated damage to the forests in southern and western Amazonia in the past decade, suggest these rainforests may be showing the first signs of potential large-scale degradation due to climate change.



Check out Science Daily for more
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Makes me cold just looking at that image...
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Tuesday night will likely be the overall coldest night for the United States, temperature wise, so far this winter.

Lows below freezing all the way down into Florida...20s down to southern Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi...teens into southern North Carolina and Tennessee...single digits down into western Virginia...and below zero across Minnesota, Wisconsin, and especially Maine.

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Quoting LargoFl:
..I hope you in your area dont get that foot of snow they predicted this morning, but with a 40 hour snow storm anything is possible huh..stay safe and warm over there


Aw , Thanks Largo !! Oil tank full supplies in . Might lose internet at some stage but I will be fine
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THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTH CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
NORTHEAST ILLINOIS AND NORTHWEST INDIANA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

STRONG SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST WINDS UP TO 40 MPH ARE LIKELY THIS
AFTERNOON ACROSS ALL OF NORTHEAST ILLINOIS AND NORTHWEST INDIANA.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

HIGH WIND GUSTS...POTENTIALLY TO 50 MPH...ARE LIKELY SATURDAY
EVENING AS A STRONG COLD FRONT PUSHES ACROSS THE AREA.

THE COLDEST TEMPERATURES OF THE WINTER WILL OCCUR EARLY NEXT WEEK
AS AN ARCTIC AIR MASS DIVES INTO THE REGION. DAYTIME HIGHS WILL
LIKELY STRUGGLE TO REACH THE TEENS BY MONDAY AND TUESDAY...WITH
WIND CHILL VALUES BELOW ZERO EVEN DURING THE DAY AND WIND CHILLS
POSSIBLY TO 10 TO 20 BELOW ZERO MONDAY NIGHT.
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looks like Chicago will finally get their snow..maybe
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Winds are still blowing here as well, but not as much as this morning. The sun has yet to make an appearance thanks to the cloud cover. And the temperature has dropped some. WU says it is 62 degrees right now. If the cloud cover stays, we won't get too chilly, but if it clears, we will be in for a cold night.
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from the UK Guardian.............UK snow forecast to continue next week

Up to 30cm of snow closes 3,000 schools, causes power cuts and disrupts road, rail and air services … but the kids love it
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The National Weather Service in Wilmington surveyed the damage near Chadbourn and has determined that a microburst occurred in the area yesterday evening.

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winds still gusting on the east coast ...........
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Quoting trunkmonkey:
Can you NO it all's splain this to me?


Indianapolis sunrise sunsets.

December 21, sunrise sunset
8:02 5:24

January 21 8:01 5:52

equates to a 28 minutes of more sun.

June 21, 6:17 9:17

July 21, 6:34 9:08

equates to 36 minutes less sun light.

I thought the equinox for the northern and southern hemispheres was spose to be equal for the seasons, looks like the northern hemisphere gets the short end of the stick.
As others have noted, you've chosen the wrong dates. The equinoxes takes place on March 21 and September 21, though these can vary a little bit by latitude and local geography. In Indianapolis, local spring Equinox is four days before calendar equinox, on March 16 & 17, while local autumn equinox is four days after calendar equinox, on September 25 & 26.
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Quoting VR46L:
UK and Ireland radar ...Snowing here .

..I hope you in your area dont get that foot of snow they predicted this morning, but with a 40 hour snow storm anything is possible huh..stay safe and warm over there
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Quoting trunkmonkey:
Can you NO it all's splain this to me?


Indianapolis sunrise sunsets.

December 21, sunrise sunset
8:02 5:24

January 21 8:01 5:52

equates to a 28 minutes of more sun.

June 21, 6:17 9:17

July 21, 6:34 9:08

equates to 36 minutes less sun light.

I thought the equinox for the northern and southern hemispheres was spose to be equal for the seasons, looks like the northern hemisphere gets the short end of the stick.


The days you are referring to are the winter and summer solstice, not the equinox. The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year so days are expected to get longer afterwards and the summer solstice is the longest day of the year with shorter days expected afterwards.
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Quoting OldLeatherneck:


The Great Lakes eventually flow into the St. Lawrence River, in Canada, and from there to the North Atlantic, hence the name St. Lawrence Seaway. Ship and barge traffic between the lakes is via a series of locks (Sault Ste. Marie among many others) and canals. I don't know how much water level needs to be lowered to require re-engineering of the locks and canal system.

Thank you so much for the information on the outlet of the lakes.
What I find intriguing, is that if you have a puddle and it starts to dry up the outlet is always the first place to indicate this.
The waters will remain in the lakes for a very long time without the addition of extra water as in the Aral Sea scenario.
Nobody wants the Great Lakes to become a group of Aral Seas but?
What intrigues me is at what point the outflow from the lakes will cease and then maybe some deepening of the river bed will be needed as a short term remedial intervention before being abandoned.
Then again it might rain lots!
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equinoxes and solstices dates

72.2F here now....
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Quoting bappit:

Hardhead catfish are plentiful along the Gulf Coast and have nasty bacteria in their spines along with their venom. Puncture wounds from them should be checked by a doctor. The barbs can break off inside you, too. The venom goes away. The infections they cause may not.
I knew I didn't like catfish for a reason. In fact I stick to salt water species. If I can't get something from the tropics then it would be ocean perch, which is what I bought in Scotland when I lived there. For a person raised on snapper and yellowtail, it really is difficult finding a comparable tasting fish. And isn't everything along the north Gulf coast covered in bacteria? Are they still dumping raw sewage into the GOM?
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Can you NO it all's splain this to me?


Indianapolis sunrise sunsets.

December 21, sunrise sunset
8:02 5:24

January 21 8:01 5:52

equates to a 28 minutes of more sun.

June 21, 6:17 9:17

July 21, 6:34 9:08

equates to 36 minutes less sun light.

I thought the equinox for the northern and southern hemispheres was spose to be equal for the seasons, looks like the northern hemisphere gets the short end of the stick.
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UK and Ireland radar ...Snowing here .

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Hurricane Season- Trombone Shorty
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Quoting kwgirl:
Well, that is real interesting. I knew they have feelers or spines, but not that they were toxic. Again, you won't find me swimming in a river or any other roiled water. I guess it just depends on how hungry you are, right?


They are very skilled predators which can survive out of waters for quite a long time to boot (check it out by google, if you like).



But I'll stop this subject for now. Good night from Germany to everyone.
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