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Superstorm Sandy and the importance of polar orbiting satellites in forecasting
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:19 PM GMT on January 03, 2013 +55
On the 23rd of October, the 18th named storm of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season, Tropical Storm Sandy, was born in the Central Caribbean. As is common for late-season storms in the Caribbean, Sandy moved northwards across Cuba. The official forecasts from the National Hurricane Center issued on October 23 called for Sandy to turn to the northeast after crossing Cuba, and head into the Central Atlantic. This forecast was based on the output from five of our top six computer models, which all predicted that an upper-level low pressure system in the Central Atlantic would be strong enough to pull Sandy northeastwards. However, the global weather forecast model run by the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) showed a disturbing possibility: the upper-level low pressure system in the Central Atlantic would not be strong enough to turn Sandy to the northeast. The hurricane would instead get caught up in the flow associated with a trough of low pressure approaching the U.S. East Coast, and Sandy would get slung into New York or New Jersey on October 29. While the ECMWF model was the best performing model for tracking Atlantic hurricanes in both 2010 and 2011, and had done very well again so far in 2012, the American GFS model had outperformed the ECMWF model several times during the 2012 season. NHC elected to discount the ECMWF forecast for Sandy as an outlier, and went with the forecast from the GFS and other models. By October 25, it was clear that the ECMWF model had the right idea all along. More models were now showing the turn towards New York, and the official NHC forecast now called for Sandy to make landfall in New York or New Jersey on October 29. The ECMWF model's early forecast of a track for Sandy into the Northeast was critical for allowing additional time for residents to prepare for arrival of the devastating storm. So what enabled the ECMWF model to make such an excellent forecast for Sandy, six days in advance?


Figure 1. This image uses the model output from the ECMWF experiment, showing where Sandy was predicted to be located five-days out with the normal satellite data inputs into the model (left) and without any polar-orbiting satellite data (right). Both position and intensity forecasts were affected--Sandy stays out to sea without the polar-orbiting satellite data, and the closer isobar lines encircling the storm also imply a more organized and stronger system. Image credit: NOAA.

Polar satellite data: a key to ECMWF model success
The ECWMF has a very sophisticated technique called "4-D Var" for gathering all the current weather data over the Earth and putting the data on a 3-dimensional grid that is then used as the initial "reality" of the current weather for the model to use for its forecast. The old expression, "garbage in, garbage out" is a truism for weather forecast models. If you don't properly characterize the initial state of the atmosphere, the errors you start off with will grow and give a lower-quality forecast. Data from geostationary satellites, which sit continuously at one spot above the globe, are easy to assimilate, and all the models use this data. However, the ECMWF model's superior technique used to assimilate the initial data allows inclusion of data from a large number of polar-orbiting satellites, which the other models cannot do as well. Polar-orbiting satellites orbit Earth at an altitude of 540 miles twice per day, circling from pole to pole. Their data is difficult to use, since the it is only available twice per day at each spot on the Earth, and the time of availability is different for each location. According to an email I received from Jean-Noël Thépaut, the chief of the Data Division of the Research Department at the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, the ECMWF model uses data from at least fourteen polar orbiting satellites: N-15, N-19, N-19, N-17 (ozone SBUV instrument only), Metop-A, AQUA, NPP (ATMS instrument only), AURA (ozone OMI data only), F-17, TRMM (TMI data), COSMIC, GRACE-A, TERRASAR, and the GPSRO data on top of METOP-GRAS. The data of most importance is the data collected in the infrared and microwave wavelengths, as well as atmospheric density data obtained via GPS radio occultation (as a polar orbiting satellite goes over the horizon, the GPS signals from the satellite get bent by Earth's atmosphere, with the amount of bending proportional to the density of the atmosphere. This GPS Radio Occultation data is gathered from eight polar orbiting satellites, and fed into both the ECMWF and GFS models.) You can find a nice summary of the impacts of polar orbiting satellite data on weather prediction models at this link.)


Figure 2. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy, for their runs that began at 00Z October 25, 2012. By this time, the GFDL model had joined the ECMWF in predicting that Sandy would make landfall in Southern New Jersey in five days. The GFS and HWRF models made good 1 - 3 day forecasts, but failed to anticipate Sandy's north-northwestward turn towards the U.S. coast. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

As originally reported by the Washington Post's Capital Weather Gang, then confirmed in a NOAA press release, a study done by ECMWF research scientist Tony McNally found that if the ECMWF model did not have all of the data from the fourteen polar orbiting satellites, the five-day forecast of the model for Hurricane Sandy would have shown Sandy missing the Northeast U.S. This brings up a concern, since the U.S. polar orbiting satellite program is behind schedule. As explained by Andrew Freedman of Climate Central, the program is plagued by mismanagement, billions in cost overruns, and technical development challenges. The next polar orbiting satellite is not scheduled to be launched until 2017, and one or more of the existing polar orbiting satellites are expected to fail before then. This will result in a degradation of our ability to observe and predict the weather, and may result in poorer forecasts for storms like Hurricane Sandy. Given that the ECMWF model used data from fourteen polar orbiting satellites, the failure of just one satellite may not have made a significant difference in its forecast for Sandy. But if we lose several of these key satellites by 2017, our hurricane forecasts in 2017 may be worse than they were in 2012. To figure out how to cope with the loss of satellite-derived data, NOAA is conducting a Gap Risk Study that seeks ideas from researchers and the public on how NOAA can preserve the quality of its weather model forecasts in the event of the failure of one or more polar orbiting satellites in the coming years.


Figure 3. A tanker rests on the southern shore after being swept onto land by a storm surge due to Superstorm Sandy, Friday, Nov. 2, 2012, in the Staten Island borough of New York. (AP Photo/ John Minchillo)

Links
Eric Berger of the Houston Chronicle has an interview with Jean-Noël Thépaut, chief of the Data Division of the Research Department at the European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, on why the European model did so well with Hurricane Sandy.

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551. AGWcreationists 3:48 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting RTSplayer:
Don't fool yourself into thinking the federal government will do anything about it. The federal government is too divided over everything

Actually, it looks like FEMA is trying to drive some sanity into this process. We'll see if the politicians interfere. I can just see Crispy Kreme Christy railing at those evil bureaucrats for not allowing everyone to rebuild, and most of the rebuilding costs borne by taxpayers.


Jersey Shore revolution begins, as FEMA releases new flood maps


A revolution is likely coming to the New Jersey Shore, and the federal government just fired the first shot.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency released advisory flood maps yesterday, which they hope will serve as a guideline for how nearly 200 communities should rebuild stronger after Hurricane Sandy’s devastation. The maps (see below) are the first change to New Jersey’s federal flood maps in more than two decades, and show a coastline far more vulnerable to flooding than previously thought -- as Sandy proved in the worst way.

FEMA’s message is clear: If you’re going to rebuild, build higher and stronger.

"These are decisions communities are going to have to make together," said Bill McDonnell, a representative for FEMA’s Office of External Affairs in Trenton. "All we’re trying to do is provide them with the best data available, and we certainly hope townships use this information to enhance their existing ordinances and rebuild smarter."

If towns along New Jersey’s barrier islands and the Raritan Bay shore adopt the guidance, it will mean a vastly different looking coastline, but one that will be better protected from future storms. An analysis of FEMA and Sandy storm surge data shows in places like Ortley Beach and Union Beach, many homes would need to be raised more than four feet to avoid serious damage from an identical storm. In some locations closest to the water, it could mean raising homes a full-story.

-- more at link, click on headline.

Also some very interesting comments at the link.
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552. VR46L 3:51 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting washingtonian115:
May someone inform me on who RickyRoad is?.Their blog seems to be a hot spot.


Its the Climate Change Blog Wash
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553. VR46L 3:53 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
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555. VR46L 3:59 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Current Gulf of Mexico Image

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557. VR46L 4:10 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting TomballTXPride:



I'm no blobologist, Liz, but we got some extensive cloud cover over the GOM.

Times like this we need Gro.

We ever happened to that lower level spin that Rita pointed out yesterday. Anything ever become of that?????





If it was August or September there would be blood on the walls here with that image ... folk freaking out ..Good Job its January lol

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558. 1900hurricane 4:13 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Although their timing is off a bit, it looks like the GFS and ECMWF are finally coming into better agreement.



This was the 00Zs, the 12Z runs will be out soon.
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559. washingtonian115 4:15 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting VR46L:


Its the Climate Change Blog Wash
Seems they finally got their own blog to dicuss agree and disagree on.
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562. VR46L 4:17 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Seems they finally got their own blog to dicuss agree and disagree on.


It has always been there just doesnt seem to attract many but the diehards on either side . Dont often go there !!!
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563. etxwx 4:17 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting txjac:


Pardon my stupidity ...how do they know it originated from Mars?


(In response to last night's news article post Link )

Hi txjac, this is a very good question and you are right, it's not real clear in the article how they make the determination the meteorite is from Mars. You made me curious too and I found this clearer explanation on the Life in the Universe website:
How Do We Know that the Meteorites Come from Mars?
Basically they use a combination of analysis of the composition, trapped gases, and process of elimination. Thanks for asking that question. It's never a bad thing to ask for more info and not take things at face value.

In other news...after watching lots of green on the radar but no rain reaching the ground, it's finally coming down today and has been for a few hours. Nice and light and steady. There is actually some standing water in the pasture. Woot! You know it's been too dry when you actually find it fun to be squooshing around in the mud to feed the cows. :-)
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564. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:24 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Good morning guys.

Models are showing the NAO plummeting after January 16. Look for a major arctic outbreak across most of the United States after that time.
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565. VR46L 4:27 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting TomballTXPride:




Right!!!???? Exactly!!!!


Its doesnt seem to be a real soaker though convection seems light


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566. txjac 4:31 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting etxwx:


(In response to last night's news article post Link )

Hi txjac, this is a very good question and you are right, it's not real clear in the article how they make the determination the meteorite is from Mars. You made me curious too and I found this clearer explanation on the Life in the Universe website:
How Do We Know that the Meteorites Come from Mars?
Basically they use a combination of analysis of the composition, trapped gases, and process of elimination. Thanks for asking that question. It's never a bad thing to ask for more info and not take things at face value.

In other news...after watching lots of green on the radar but no rain reaching the ground, it's finally coming down today and has been for a few hours. Nice and light and steady. There is actually some standing water in the pasture. Woot! You know it's been too dry when you actually find it fun to be squooshing around in the mud to feed the cows. :-)



Wow, thanks for the answer. Now you have me curious as to other space rocks from different planets. I'll have to look in to it.

Rain is glorious ...even the dog is just laying around being lazy. My pit/boxer sissy doesnt like going out in the rain
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567. hydrus 4:38 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
The GFS is running..
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568. MAweatherboy1 4:39 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Maybe a big central/northern US snowstorm on the way in a week or so?

6z GFS 216 hours:



12z at 192 hours:



Euro at 192 hours, not nearly as strong as the GFS and farther east but still something there:

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569. 1900hurricane 4:46 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Looks like the 12Z GFS has come into even better with the timing of the 00Z ECMWF. They now put the 5h cutoff at just about the same place at the same time.



12Z GFS for 00Z Wednesday (@ 84 hours)



00Z ECMWF for 00Z Wednesday (@ 96 hours)
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570. 1900hurricane 4:48 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
They also stay in fairly good agreement for the next 24 hour period as well.



12Z GFS for 00Z Thursday (@ 108 hours)



00Z ECMWF for 00Z Thursday (@ 120 hours)
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571. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:54 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Maybe a big central/northern US snowstorm on the way in a week or so?

6z GFS 216 hours:



12z at 192 hours:



Euro at 192 hours, not nearly as strong as the GFS and farther east but still something there:


GFS forecasts over a foot of snow.
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572. GeorgiaStormz 4:58 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Warmth next week:

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573. GeorgiaStormz 5:03 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
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574. TropicalAnalystwx13 5:06 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
There will be a chance for severe thunderstorms across central and coastal Texas in a few days as that cutoff low moves into the region, but after that, the severe threat looks minimal. January should finish with below-average tornado activity given the arctic outbreak after the middle of the month.

These storm tracks are extremely favorable for several outbreaks as we head into February and March though.
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575. LargoFl 5:07 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
sun is finally out here,havent seen it in days....
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576. LargoFl 5:09 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
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577. VR46L 5:09 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
sun is finally out here,havent seen it in days....


Make the most of it ... I think it will be grey soon enough
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578. LargoFl 5:12 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting VR46L:


Make the most of it ... I think it will be grey soon enough
..yeah that front down south of us will move back over us later on and tomorrow..man that sun feels good lol
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579. LargoFl 5:14 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1059 AM EST SAT JAN 5 2013

AMZ550-552-555-570-572-575-FLZ041-044>047-053-054 -058-059-064-141-
144-147-052100-
COASTAL VOLUSIA-FLAGLER BEACH TO VOLUSIA-
BREVARD COUNTY LINE 20 NM TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-FLAGLER BEACH TO VOLUSIA-
BREVARD COUNTY LINE OUT TO 20 NM-INDIAN RIVER-INLAND VOLUSIA-MARTIN-
NORTHERN BREVARD-NORTHERN LAKE-OKEECHOBEE-ORANGE-OSCEOLA-
SEBASTIAN INLET TO JUPITER INLET 20 NM TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-
SEBASTIAN INLET TO JUPITER INLET OUT TO 20 NM-SEMINOLE-
SOUTHERN BREVARD-SOUTHERN LAKE-ST. LUCIE-VOLUSIA-
BREVARD COUNTY LINE TO SEBASTIAN INLET 20 NM TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-
VOLUSIA-BREVARD COUNTY LINE TO SEBASTIAN INLET OUT TO 20 NM-
1059 AM EST SAT JAN 5 2013

.NOW...

HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE SOUTHEAST U.S. WILL PRODUCE NORTH TO NORTHEAST
WINDS 10-15 MPH. ISOLATED SHOWERS OVER THE ATLANTIC WATERS WILL
APPROACH THE MARTIN AND SAINT LUCIE COASTS AND MAY PRODUCE A BRIEF
SHOWER. SOUTHWEST FLOW OVERRUNNING THE SHALLOW NORTH WINDS AT THE
SURFACE IS PRODUCING LOW CLOUDS ACROSS LAKE AND VOLUSIA COUNTIES THIS
MORNING. THIS ISENTROPIC LIFT IS EXPECTED TO WEAKEN THIS AFTERNOON
AND ALLOW TEMPS TO RISE NEAR 70 NORTH OF ORLANDO WITH SOME
SUNSHINE.ALTHOUGH SKIES ARE MOSTLY SUNNY THIS MORNING ACROSS MUCH OF
EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA...MORNING CAPE SOUNDING SHOWS SUFFICIENT LOW
LEVEL MOISTURE TO PRODUCE AN INCREASE IN CUMULUS CLOUDS AS SURFACE
HEATING TAKES PLACE...RESULTING IN PARTLY CLOUDY SKIES THIS
AFTERNOON.

A STATIONARY FRONT LIES ACROSS EXTREME SOUTH FLORIDA BUT WILL BEGIN
TO LIFT BACK NORTH AS A WARM FRONT TONIGHT AND SUNDAY. RAIN CHANCES
WILL INCREASE LATE SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT.


&&

ADDITIONAL DETAILS...INCLUDING GRAPHICS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT:
HTTP://WWW.SRH.NOAA.GOV/MLB/BLOG.PHP
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580. LargoFl 5:17 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
DUAL-POLARIZATION RADAR..is coming to the gulf this month nws says..is that a good thing?
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581. LargoFl 5:19 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Gee Bohonk..dont send that COLD over here ok LOL...
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582. TropicalAnalystwx13 5:19 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
DUAL-POLARIZATION RADAR..is coming to the gulf this month nws says..is that a good thing?

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583. LargoFl 5:21 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

..thanks, now maybe we will get some better radar pics of the gulf storms this summer huh
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584. VR46L 5:22 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
DUAL-POLARIZATION RADAR..is coming to the gulf this month nws says..is that a good thing?


I read about it in the NWS Eastern region yesterday.....
its supposed to be really good...

dual-pol technology has been proving itself time and time again during weather events that have both challenged NWS forecasters, but also armed them with improved confidence, thanks to the new technology.


From Ready weather Nation
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585. LargoFl 5:23 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
nasty weather today here.............THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTHWEST NORTH
CAROLINA...SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...WEST CENTRAL VIRGINIA AND SOUTHEAST
WEST VIRGINIA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

A WINTRY MIX OF LIGHT SLEET AND LIGHT SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE LATE
THIS EVENING THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. PATCHY FREEZING DRIZZLE
WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE LATE TONIGHT AND EARLY SUNDAY. MINOR ACCUMULATIONS
OF WINTER PRECIPITATION WILL BE POSSIBLE...MAINLY FOR ELEVATIONS ABOVE
2500 FEET. WIDESPREAD HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ARE NOT EXPECTED
AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

PATCHY FREEZING DRIZZLE WILL BE POSSIBLE EARLY SUNDAY...MAINLY AT
ELEVATIONS ABOVE 2500 FEET. WIDESPREAD HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS
ARE NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME. OTHERWISE...THE PROBABILITY OF
WIDESPREAD HAZARDOUS WEATHER DURING THIS PERIOD IS LOW AT THIS
TIME.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

$$
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586. GeorgiaStormz 5:25 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
DUAL-POLARIZATION RADAR..is coming to the gulf this month nws says..is that a good thing?


They wouldnt do it if it wasn't!


Dual Polarization

Q&As on Upgrade to
Dual Polarization Radar
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587. wxchaser97 5:25 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
GFS, you aren't supposed to give me temps near 50F in January. That is 20 degrees above average and all the snow would melt away.
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588. ScottLincoln 5:29 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting LargoFl:
well under the rules at the time, the NWS has NO Hurricane designation and warnings, only the NHC has that..so once the NHC gave over to the NWS for warnings, all the NWS could warn about was a severe storm..now I have read they are looking over that and MAY change the rules for the future..but officially..in GOVT..rules are rules and must be followed..nothing stupid nor foolish about that.


The NHC is the National Weather Service.

Systems deemed tropical are covered by the NHC part of the weather service. When systems are deemed extratropical, they are handled by the HPC part of the weather service. The products issued for tropical systems differ from the products issued for non-tropical/extra-tropical systems, even if in some cases the impact is similar.
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589. LargoFl 5:30 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
They made This GUESS prediction in Oct..lets see if it pans out this winter...................In the 2012 U.S. Winter Outlook (December through February) odds favor:

Warmer-than-average temperatures in much of Texas, northward through the Central and Northern Plains and westward across the Southwest, the Northern Rockies, and eastern Washington, Oregon and California, as well as the northern two-thirds of Alaska.
Cooler-than-average temperatures in Hawaii and in most of Florida, excluding the panhandle.
Drier-than-average conditions in Hawaii, the Pacific Northwest and Northern California, including Idaho, western Montana, and portions of Wyoming, Utah and most of Nevada.
Drier-than-average conditions in the upper Midwest, including Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and northern Missouri and eastern parts of North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, and western Illinois.
Wetter-than-average conditions across the Gulf Coast states from the northern half of Florida to eastern Texas.
The rest of the country falls into the “equal chance” category, meaning these areas have an equal chance for above-, near-, or below-normal temperatures and/or precipitation.

This seasonal outlook does not project where and when snowstorms may hit or provide total seasonal snowfall accumulations. Snow forecasts are dependent upon the strength and track of winter storms, which are generally not predictable more than a week in advance.

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590. nrtiwlnvragn 5:30 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
RE: Dual Pol Radar


Anyone found any sites that display the dual pol echos, other than paid sites?
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591. Tazmanian 5:33 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting wxchaser97:
GFS, you aren't supposed to give me temps near 50F in January.



sure it can it loves you
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592. LargoFl 5:33 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting ScottLincoln:


The NHC is the National Weather Service.

Systems deemed tropical are covered by the NHC part of the weather service. When systems are deemed extratropical, they are handled by the HPC part of the weather service. The products issued for tropical systems differ from the products issued for non-tropical/extra-tropical systems, even if in some cases the impact is similar.
yes and no, both are together but seperate depts with specific duties,once sandy became non tropical in nature..NHC handed it over to NWS..hence the problems...although..we stayed here all night huh posting the warnings and they DID state..hurricane or Above wind speeds...its semantics now..people pout because at the time they didnt listen to the warnings..hell we here posted on it for days before
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593. Thecanadian 5:35 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Link this is a cool video of the snow squall that came into saint john new brunswick canada i filmed this from my back window u can see it coming in over the hill then it takes about one minute to reach me winds were 80 kmh and the snow only lasted about 5 minutes very cool to see.
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594. Thecanadian 5:37 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
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595. MAweatherboy1 5:38 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
This disturbance, 98S, located just south of Indonesia, will be interesting to watch in the next few days, models are developing it but a few different possibilities on where it goes:

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596. Neapolitan 5:42 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting washingtonian115:
May someone inform me on who RickyRoad is?.Their blog seems to be a hot spot.
It's Dr. Ricky Rood, a climate science professor and one of Weather Underground's featured bloggers. The forum attached to his blog is a place where science-minded individuals discuss the state of the climate, while others--perhaps temporarily unable to gather the attention they so desperately crave here in Dr. Masters' forum--stop by in hope of causing problems. It's full of polite and knowledgeable people, but those planning to do a silly denialist drive-by will quickly find themselves mercilessly ridiculed to the point that a cowardly retreat is their only option.
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597. Neapolitan 5:46 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting Thecanadian:
Link this is a cool video of the snow squall that came into saint john new brunswick canada i filmed this from my back window u can see it coming in over the hill then it takes about one minute to reach me winds were 80 kmh and the snow only lasted about 5 minutes very cool to see.
Great video. Thanks for posting it. I haven't seen anything like that since I lived high in the Wyoming Rockies--and it's a great reminder of why I now live in balmy South Florida... ;-)
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598. txjac 5:46 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
Quoting Thecanadian:
Link this is a cool video of the snow squall that came into saint john new brunswick canada i filmed this from my back window u can see it coming in over the hill then it takes about one minute to reach me winds were 80 kmh and the snow only lasted about 5 minutes very cool to see.


Nice video ...made me want to light my fireplace
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599. LargoFl 5:49 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
What the National Hurricane Center (NHC), working with other NWS offices, chose to do was controversial within the meteorological community, and now it is likely to reverberate throughout the insurance industry.

The Hurricane Center chose not to issue any hurricane watches or warnings beyond North Carolina, even though many areas would see hurricane-force wind gusts. Instead, NHC allowed local NWS offices to issue an array of warnings ranging from high-wind warnings to coastal-flood warnings. Rick Knabb, the director of the NHC, told reporters that the decision was made in order to minimize confusion in the event that Sandy was reclassified as a post-tropical cyclone before making landfall, which would have required that all hurricane warnings be canceled, and other warnings to be issued instead.

“By using non-tropical warnings in these areas from the start, we avoid or minimize the significant confusion that could occur if the warning suite changed from tropical to non-tropical in the middle of the event,” NHC said in a statement.
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600. Skyepony (Mod) 5:53 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
This goes with post 434..had a moment to slum a little deeper in the GRACE files directory. Where in 434 I left the animated land mass map. This goes with bit about separating the GRACE land from ocean mass measurements since water & land use different functions to assimilate the data correctly into the ECMWF & such.. Without further ado mind blowing ocean mass measurements for the last near 10 years..

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601. LargoFl 5:53 PM GMT on January 05, 2013    
gee IF this was summertime we'd be in big trouble huh..
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