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Very warm November assures 2012 will be warmest year in U.S. history
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:39 PM GMT on December 07, 2012 +44
The heat is on again in the U.S. After recording its first cooler-than-average month in sixteen months during October, the U.S. heated up considerably in November, notching its 20th warmest November since 1895, said NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in their latest State of the Climate report. The warm November virtually assures that 2012 will be the warmest year on record in the U.S. The year-to-date period of January - November has been by far the warmest such period on record for the contiguous U.S.--a remarkable 1.0°F above the previous record. During the 11-month period, 18 states were record warm and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. The December 2011 - November 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., and the eight warmest 12-month periods since record keeping began in 1895 have all ended during 2012. December 2012 would have to be 1°F colder than our coldest December on record (set in 1983) to prevent the year 2012 from being the warmest in U.S. history. This is meteorologically impossible, given the recent December heat in the U.S. As wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt reported, an early-December heat wave this week set records for warmest December temperature on record in seven states. December 2012 is on pace to be a top-20% warmest December on record in the U.S.

November 2012 was the 8th driest November on record for the U.S., and twenty-two states had top-ten driest Novembers. The area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing moderate-to-exceptional drought grew from 59% on November 6 to 62% on December 6. This is the largest area of the U.S. in drought since 1954.


Figure 1. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for November 2012. Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming had top-ten warmest Novembers, while only North Carolina had a top-ten coldest November. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).


Figure 2. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for the January - November period. Eighteen states were record warm, and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

Most extreme January - November period on record
The year-to-date January - November period was the most extreme on record in the contiguous U.S., according to NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), which tracks the percentage area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% and bottom-10% extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought. The CEI was 46% in January - November, more than double the average of 20%. A record 86% of the contiguous U.S. had maximum temperatures that were in the warmest 10% historically during the first eleven months of 2012, and 71% of the U.S. of the U.S. had warm minimum temperatures in the top 10%--2nd highest on record. The percentage area of the U.S. experiencing top-10% drought conditions was 32%, which was the 4th greatest since 1910. Only droughts in the Dust Bowl year of 1934, and during 1954 and 1956, were more extreme for the January - November period. Heavy 1-day downpours have been below average so far in 2012, though, with 9% of nation experiencing a top-10% extreme, compared to the average of 10%.


Figure 3. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) for January - November shows that 2012 had the most extreme first eleven months of the year on record, with 46% of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% extreme weather-more than double the average of 20%.

Jeff Masters
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351. AussieStorm 2:27 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting nymore:
Aussie I hope you keep posting the updates, I like what your doing.

BTW Do not let that arrogant fraud from Naples tell you what to do.

It's not minority rules here so of course I will continue to post updates. Any news I see, I will post.
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352. AussieStorm 2:35 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Goodnight all. If anyone is interested, Bopha's outer rain bands are now showing on the Baguio Radar
To view the Radar just unselect the MSAT in the overview menu, unselect the PAGASA Cyclone Update in the Weather Outlook menu and Select Baguio Station in the Doppler menu.

Once again, Good night.
Stay well, Stay safe.
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353. pcola57 2:44 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Good Morning All..

My WU weather..

Webcam from my area..







1 KM Visible Satellite for Florida
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354. pcola57 2:53 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Bopha just won't go away.. :(

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355. barbamz 2:53 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    

Bopha on Luzon
Source
And hi to all from sunny Germany.


Near my place.

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356. nymore 2:54 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Happy Hanukkah to those of you who celebrate it starting today.


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357. pcola57 2:55 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting barbamz:

Bopha on Luzon
Source
And hi to all from sunny Germany.


Hello back to you barbamz..how's the snow?..been enjoying it?
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358. barbamz 2:58 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting pcola57:


Hello back to you barbamz..how's the snow?..been enjoying it?

Hi pcola. Very bright day indeed with some snow still left (see webcam above). Tomorrow morning maybe a little more but then rain and melting :-(
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359. pcola57 3:05 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting barbamz:

Hi pcola. Very bright day indeed with some snow still left (see webcam above). Tomorrow morning maybe a little more but then rain and melting :-(


I'm envyious you know..
Beautiful country..
I miss snow..
You enjoy yourself.. :)

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360. Xyrus2000 3:13 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I think the relative lack of hurricanes striking the United States coast is mostly attributable to global warming, as the melting of arctic sea ice has become quite expansive over the last few summers. As I said before, this is an untested hypothesis, but at least I have the balls to admit when I have no evidence.


True, but your untested hypothesis actually has some basis in scientific results, such as this. Changing weather patterns affecting cyclogenesis and paths at the very least makes plausible sense.
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361. allancalderini 3:16 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting pcola57:
Bopha just won't go away.. :(

Bopha is like Parma don`t want to leave the Philippines until it last breath.
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362. Qazulight 3:20 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    


Near my place

Nice digs!

Cheers
Qazulight
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363. MontanaZephyr 3:21 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting AussieStorm:

So why haven't I be banned?????????
If it wasn't allowed.
How do you know so many have me on ignore? How do you know, you hack there accounts, now that is illegal and unethical. What makes you think I actually care people have me on ignore. I have 170 handles on ignore so I probably have them on ignore already. Oh and don't call me Mate, you are no mate of mine.


Nea is right. Copyright infringement is a big problem here... maybe not there, I don't know. But it is a real risk for a website to repost entire articles even if there IS credit and link given.

Aussie, your attitude is consistently obnoxious and confrontative.... perhaps in a manner that is customary for YOUR region, but not so much for others, perhaps. I am putting you on ignore myself. You post some interesting information at times ... but, you know, who needs the incivility?
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364. Qazulight 3:22 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Here in Southeast Texas it is getting dry again. The lake levels are falling and I am having to water to get my clover and blue bonnets to take. No water now, and the deer that hang out in town will start starving when the bumper acorn crop runs out.

If I can get the clover growing I will have a small herd grazing in my back yard through late winter and early spring.

Cheers
Qazulight
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365. plutorising 3:23 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting pottery:
Post 323.

That's a Grim situation there.
I have been noticing changes in forest vegetation here as well.
Particularly with trees flowering and fruiting out-of-season, due to rainfall changes, temp anomalies, and the like.

Trees make fruit (seeds) at particular times to coincide with optimum conditions for seed dispersal, germination and seedling growth.

When seeds are dispersed/sown at the 'wrong' time, they do not germinate or grow.

The forest will not be sustained if this is the situation.

this fall things were so upset in atlanta area that we had dogwoods hosting fat red berries and also blooming white flowers (bracts), at the same time. that's both spring and fall behavior on the same tree.
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366. barbamz 3:25 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Qazulight:


Near my place

Nice digs!

Cheers
Qazulight


Thank you. Link to the webcam (with christmasmarket in front of our thousand-year-old cathedral). It's getting dark now, lights will be on soon.


Another camview right now (from the banks of Rhine river) to the center of Mainz. Link to the cams.
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367. percylives 3:27 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting yonzabam:


If that's the potential magnitude of the positive feedback from melting permafrost, it's absolutely trivial. She says it's a 'conservative estimate', but it would still be trivial.

Warming oceans becoming less efficient sinks for CO2 is probably of far greater importance. During the record El Nino of 1998, when global SSTs reached a record high, atmospheric CO2 rose by 3 ppm, a very large increase on the annual average.

This was equivalent to all the man made CO2 for that year remaining in the atmosphere. However, there was also rampant wildfires throughout Indonesia that year, which added a significant amount.

Nevertheless, 1998 shows us that we are not far from the point when the ocean not only has no net uptake of man made CO2, but will become a net emitter of CO2.

I doubt if the models factor this in, so it'll be hotter than they think.


It doesn't sound trivial to me. She said the conservative estimate was equal to about 3 years of all human emissions at our present rate and we can't do anything about it. When we are shaving it this close to absolute disaster (some would argue extinction) is anything "absolutely trivial"?

The article didn't mention the real gorilla in the room, the methane clathrates in the Arctic Ocean. The Arctic News Blog continues to publish about this lurking monster. The CO2 from premafrost melt would further heat the atmosphere over the clathrate beds.

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368. FunnelVortex 3:28 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Anything on the winter storm that is supposed to hit Wisconsin?

When it hits, I will give you updates from under the storm.
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369. SteveDa1 3:28 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Scientific American

Arctic Report Card: Dark Times Ahead

Conditions in the Arctic, where several environmental records were broken this year, are slipping rapidly from bad to worse as the pace of climate change accelerates in that region.
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370. plutorising 3:29 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
in light of yesterday's rant about evil pot, i'd like to propose that we ban absolutely everything that's bad for people. for their own good. because democracy is for small minds and we really need a punishing authority figure over us.

so, how about we ban going to work on mondays? coffee? all sugary things, all processed food, all gmos, all plastic, all electromagnetic waves (especially tvs and microwaves), and especially, why don't we all do what we're told instead of thinking independently?

we'd all be so much happier if we'd just stop struggling and do what (a select few) have determined is right and good.

fts.
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371. LargoFl 3:30 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Pretty pathetic lows though. Not much of a cold front.
lol but its so dry here teddy even a sprinkle or two will help
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372. LargoFl 3:33 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Accuweather is going for a cold Christmas in S FL they say in WPB that it going to be 71 high and 43 low!!:)
for the last 4 years it has been in the 80's!!
well IF it happens it will feel more like Christmas there huh but its a long way off and things can change, supposed to be 70 for a high around ME next week..must be a strong cold front coming, but it would be great if it hung around til Christmas huh
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373. nymore 3:33 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting FunnelVortex:
Anything on the winter storm that is supposed to hit Wisconsin?

When it hits, I will give you updates from under the storm.


MN and Nw Wisconsin could get up to 8 inches not exactly a snownami for those folks.
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374. barbamz 3:33 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Drought in the Horn of Africa Delays Migrating Birds

Dec. 6, 2012 — The catastrophic drought last year in the Horn of Africa affected millions of people but also caused the extremely late arrival into northern Europe of several migratory songbird species, a study published December 6 in Science shows. Details of the migration route was revealed by data collected from small backpacks fitted on birds showing that the delay resulted from an extended stay in the Horn of Africa.

Read more on Science daily
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375. Slamguitar 3:37 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Good morning everyone!

I just woke up to a little more snow than I was expecting, about 2.5" of it lay on top of my car.

If my camera was charged I would take pictures. ;)

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376. JRRP 3:39 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Appears statistical models have done better lately.....





From December Monthly Ocean Briefing


interesting!!
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377. wxchaser97 3:42 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Slamguitar:
Good morning everyone!

I just woke up to a little more snow than I was expecting, about 2.5" of it lay on top of my car.

If my camera was charged I would take pictures. ;)


:(.....

All I see is green/brown grass and wetness, lucky you...
There could be a pattern change in the next couple weeks though.
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378. SteveDa1 3:44 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting plutorising:
in light of yesterday's rant about evil pot, i'd like to propose that we ban absolutely everything that's bad for people. for their own good. because democracy is for small minds and we really need a punishing authority figure over us.

so, how about we ban going to work on mondays? coffee? all sugary things, all processed food, all gmos, all plastic, all electromagnetic waves (especially tvs and microwaves), and especially, why don't we all do what we're told instead of thinking independently?

we'd all be so much happier if we'd just stop struggling and do what (a select few) have determined is right and good.

fts.


I tried to "+1" that twice but it wouldn't let me...
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379. barbamz 3:48 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Massive Crevasses and Bendable Ice Affect Stability of Antarctic Ice Shelf

Dec. 7, 2012 — Gaping crevasses that penetrate upward from the bottom of the largest remaining ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula make it more susceptible to collapse, according to University of Colorado Boulder researchers who spent the last four Southern Hemisphere summers studying the massive floating sheet of ice that covers an area twice the size of Massachusetts.

More on Science daily
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380. Slamguitar 3:48 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting plutorising:
in light of yesterday's rant about evil pot, i'd like to propose that we ban absolutely everything that's bad for people. for their own good. because democracy is for small minds and we really need a punishing authority figure over us.

so, how about we ban going to work on mondays? coffee? all sugary things, all processed food, all gmos, all plastic, all electromagnetic waves (especially tvs and microwaves), and especially, why don't we all do what we're told instead of thinking independently?

we'd all be so much happier if we'd just stop struggling and do what (a select few) have determined is right and good.

fts.


Don't forget all the forms of transportation (clean energy or not) that kill countless people each year. I'm going to stop flying just in case I ever crash. Crashing isn't good for my health or the environment. Who cares if it unifies our modern world? That stuff is dangerous!!
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381. Slamguitar 3:52 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

:(.....

All I see is green/brown grass and wetness, lucky you...
There could be a pattern change in the next couple weeks though.


Your time will come Isaac. My snow won't be sticking around too long anyway. It's supposed to get up around 36F later.
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382. HadesGodWyvern 3:55 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Philippines Atmospheric Geophysical Astronomical Services and Administration
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #22
TYPHOON PABLO (BOPHA)
11:00 PM PhST December 8 2012
==============================

Typhoon "PABLO" has weakened as it continues to threaten the Ilocos Provinces and La Union area

At 10:00 PM PhST, Typhoon Pablo [976 hPa] located at 17.7°N 119.4°E or 115 km west of Vigan City has 10 minute sustained winds of 65 knots gusting up to 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving east at 9 knots.

Signal Warnings
================

Signal Warning #2
-----------------

Luzon Region
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1. Ilocos Norte
2. Ilocos Sur
3. La Union

Signal Warning #1
-----------------

Luzon region
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1. Cagayan
2. Calayan grp. of Is.
3. Babuyan grp. of Is.
4. Batanes grp. of Is.
5. Abra
6. Apayao
7. Kalinga
8. Mt. Province
9. Benguet
10. Pangasinan
11. Zambales

Additional Information
========================
Estimated rainfall amount is from 15-25 mm per hour (heavy to intense) within the 300 km diameter of the typhoon.

Residents living in low lying and mountainous areas under public storm warning signal #2 and #1 are alerted against possible flash floods and landslides. Likewise, those living in coastal areas under public storm warning signal #2 are alerted against big waves or storm surges generated by this tropical cyclone.

Fishing boats and other sea vessels are advised not to venture out into the seaboard of northern Luzon and the western seaboards of central and southern Luzon.

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 5 a.m. tomorrow.
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383. MontanaZephyr 3:57 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Snowing pretty good here in Helena at the moment:

Link ... on a reasonably clear day you can see mountains to the North easily... some 20 miles on.

Caroll College: Link
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384. pcola57 3:58 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting plutorising:
in light of yesterday's rant about evil pot, i'd like to propose that we ban absolutely everything that's bad for people. for their own good. because democracy is for small minds and we really need a punishing authority figure over us.

so, how about we ban going to work on mondays? coffee? all sugary things, all processed food, all gmos, all plastic, all electromagnetic waves (especially tvs and microwaves), and especially, why don't we all do what we're told instead of thinking independently?

we'd all be so much happier if we'd just stop struggling and do what (a select few) have determined is right and good.

fts.


Something like whats portrayed in Fritz Langs "Metropolis"

Wiki on Metropolis
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385. Grothar 4:16 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
RANT!
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386. Progster 4:16 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Interesting post..I enjoy it when people succeed and make money, but some are greedy and screw things up for others that have worked just as hard..I heard how cut throat it can be when huge amounts of money are concerned. As far as taxes are concerned, almost 20% of my money goes to federal tax, Social Security and Medicare. Plus there is a 10% percent sales tax on almost everything we buy here in TN. I have no problem with it, but I would be happier if they spent our money with a little more consideration..........Considering how hard we work for it.


It's more than moving a head office....transfer payments, where corporations buy goods and services from subsidiaries in other countries with low tax rates can create a paper operating loss in the country with higher rates and end up with the corporation paying zero tax in the country with the higher rate...in spite of significant and sometimes huge real profits. See Starbucks UK for an example.

Link

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387. Progster 4:17 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
RANT!


Good rant, Grothar!
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388. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:18 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Claudia is a Category 3-equivalent with maximum sustained winds of 100 mph (1-min.). The eye is becoming more clear and cloud tops cooler than -80C are gradually wrapping around it. I would not be surprised to see this as a Category 4-equivalent by this afternoon.

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389. Grothar 4:24 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Progster:


Good rant, Grothar!


I hope I covered everything.
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390. Slamguitar 4:25 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
What to do on a snowy Saturday? Round up a few friends around campus and find some hills to sled of course!

So far the snow keeps building. :D



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391. Luisport 4:32 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Updated: Saturday, 08 December, 2012 at 16:18 UTC
Description
A typhoon that killed nearly 600 people and left hundreds missing in the southern Philippines has made a U-turn and is now threatening the country's northwest, officials said Saturday. The weather bureau raised storm warnings over parts of the main northern island of Luzon after Typhoon Bopha veered northeast. There was a strong possibility the disastrous storm would make a second landfall Sunday, but it might also make a loop and remain in the South China Sea, forecasters said. In either case, it was moving close to shore and disaster officials warned of heavy rains and winds and possible landslides in the mountainous region. Another calamity in the north would stretch recovery efforts thin. Most government resources, including army and police, are currently focused on the south, where Bopha hit Tuesday. With many survivors there still in shock, soldiers, police and outside volunteers formed most of the teams searching for bodies or signs of life under tons of fallen trees and boulders swept down from steep hills surrounding the worst-hit town of New Bataan, municipal spokesman Marlon Esperanza said. He said the rocks, mud, tree trunks and other rubble that litter the town have destroyed landmarks, making it doubly difficult to search places where houses once stood. On Friday, bodies found jammed under fallen trees that could not be retrieved were marked with makeshift flags made of torn cloth so they could be easily spotted by properly equipped teams. Authorities decided to bury unidentified bodies in a common grave after forensic officials process them for future identification by relatives, Esperanza said. The town's damaged public market has been converted into a temporary funeral parlor. A few residents milled around two dozen white wooden coffins, some containing unidentified remains.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_u pdate_read&edis_id=TC-20121203-37381-PHL&uid=13222
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392. RTSplayer 4:35 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting AussieStorm:I just hope that if it is proposed it should be voted on, unlike here, where the govt denied there would be a carbon tax before an election, even went on record to say there wouldn't be. Then announced there would be one afterwards, all because they had to jump into be with the Greens Party in order to gain power.


Hehe.

I have about 3 or 4 pages worth of response that I typed, which I decided to cut and paste to a text document for now, because if I post it I'm gong to get banned.

Ironically, Aussie here put me on his ignore list, even though I actually agree with the point he's making here.

He ignored me because he totally mis-understands what I was saying yesterday, I.E. saying I had no compassion for storm victims, which was not the case.

Easy to make a hasty judgement, I suppose.


Now ironically, he's complaining about something I was talking about yesterday, the very same thing I was complaining about, but he doesn't see the connection, so he complained and ignored me.

I'll post the abbreviated version, because the long version will surely get me banned.

===

Here it is:

Carbon tax is a sin tax.

Sin taxes don't work.


1, Government claims to want to discourage sin.
2, Government passes sin tax on that behavior.
3, Government eventually comes to rely on the sin tax revenues from the sin.
4, Government eventually promotes the sin because it needs more revenues, which it can get from the taxes if it increases the sin.


In the reality, the government doesn't even want to discourage the sin, it passes the sin tax for two reasons:

1, To appease the people who actually do oppose the sin. The government can give the false impression that it is opposed to the negative behavior by passing the sin tax, under the guise of "punishing" the negative behavior.

2, Because it knows it can make money off the revenues from the sin tax.

This allows what the government thinks is a "win-win" situation: making money, appeasing the sinners by allowing the sin to be legal even though morally it should be illegal, and finally somewhat pleasing the sinners' opposition at the same time because at least they did "something," although through deception, which gives the appearance of opposing the sin.
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393. Minnemike 4:36 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
RANT!
SHOUTING RANT!
Grothar, to you alone i apologize for being a twit in the last 24hrs..
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394. Luisport 4:38 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Breaking News Storm‏@breakingstorm

Typhoon Bopha makes unexpected turn, forecast to make landfall in the Philippines again Sunday - @BPbreakingnews http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/325234/phi lippines-braces-for-typhoon-return
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395. LargoFl 4:39 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
next weeks outlook for the Tampa bay area......
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396. Bielle 4:41 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
RANT!


Welcome back, Grothar. We missed you. What weather news do you bring?
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397. LargoFl 4:41 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
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398. Grothar 4:41 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting Minnemike:
SHOUTING RANT!
Grothar, to you alone i apologize for being a twit in the last 24hrs..


No problem, Mike. At least you have been polite in your rants. In the last few days I seen about 14 twits on here, but who's counting.
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399. nymore 4:43 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Not sure how odd this is but Fairbanks AK. will have their 16th day in a row where the daily high will not get above the average low temp for this time of year.
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400. LargoFl 4:43 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
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401. Luisport 4:44 PM GMT on December 08, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
tHIS IS REALLY CRAZY, 600 DEATHS AND 400 MISSING IN THE FIRST PASSAGE!!!
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