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Very warm November assures 2012 will be warmest year in U.S. history
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:39 PM GMT on December 07, 2012 +44
The heat is on again in the U.S. After recording its first cooler-than-average month in sixteen months during October, the U.S. heated up considerably in November, notching its 20th warmest November since 1895, said NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in their latest State of the Climate report. The warm November virtually assures that 2012 will be the warmest year on record in the U.S. The year-to-date period of January - November has been by far the warmest such period on record for the contiguous U.S.--a remarkable 1.0°F above the previous record. During the 11-month period, 18 states were record warm and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. The December 2011 - November 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., and the eight warmest 12-month periods since record keeping began in 1895 have all ended during 2012. December 2012 would have to be 1°F colder than our coldest December on record (set in 1983) to prevent the year 2012 from being the warmest in U.S. history. This is meteorologically impossible, given the recent December heat in the U.S. As wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt reported, an early-December heat wave this week set records for warmest December temperature on record in seven states. December 2012 is on pace to be a top-20% warmest December on record in the U.S.

November 2012 was the 8th driest November on record for the U.S., and twenty-two states had top-ten driest Novembers. The area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing moderate-to-exceptional drought grew from 59% on November 6 to 62% on December 6. This is the largest area of the U.S. in drought since 1954.


Figure 1. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for November 2012. Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming had top-ten warmest Novembers, while only North Carolina had a top-ten coldest November. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).


Figure 2. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for the January - November period. Eighteen states were record warm, and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

Most extreme January - November period on record
The year-to-date January - November period was the most extreme on record in the contiguous U.S., according to NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), which tracks the percentage area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% and bottom-10% extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought. The CEI was 46% in January - November, more than double the average of 20%. A record 86% of the contiguous U.S. had maximum temperatures that were in the warmest 10% historically during the first eleven months of 2012, and 71% of the U.S. of the U.S. had warm minimum temperatures in the top 10%--2nd highest on record. The percentage area of the U.S. experiencing top-10% drought conditions was 32%, which was the 4th greatest since 1910. Only droughts in the Dust Bowl year of 1934, and during 1954 and 1956, were more extreme for the January - November period. Heavy 1-day downpours have been below average so far in 2012, though, with 9% of nation experiencing a top-10% extreme, compared to the average of 10%.


Figure 3. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) for January - November shows that 2012 had the most extreme first eleven months of the year on record, with 46% of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% extreme weather-more than double the average of 20%.

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51. CybrTeddy 5:23 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
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52. nymore 5:25 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting OviedoWatcher:
Indian Summer as in a long hot one like they have in India. Why is that racist? The expression is a British one comparing cold, damp miserable British Septembers and Octobers with warm sunny ones in India.

Well I guess not exactly true

The expression 'Indian summer' has been used for more than two centuries. The earliest known use was by French-American writer John Hector St. John de Crevecoeur in rural New York in 1778: "Then a severe frost succeeds which prepares it to receive the voluminous coat of snow which is soon to follow; though it is often preceded by a short interval of smoke and mildness, called the Indian Summer."

As for the british

In British English St. Martin's Summer was the most widely used term until the American phrase became better known in the 20th century. In the United Kingdom, the term Indian summer is used loosely for a period of unseasonable warmth and sunshine in late September, October, or November. In former times in English-speaking regions of Europe, 'Indian summer' was called Saint Martin's Summer, referring to St. Martin's day, November 11. An alternative was Saint Luke's summer. Another alternative was "All-hallown summer", as All Hallows' is November 1. In the United Kingdom Indian summer is often used to describe warm weather that comes late in the year after unusually cool summer months
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53. LargoFl 5:25 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Roughly 20,000 years ago the great ice sheets that buried much of Asia, Europe and North America stopped their creeping advance. Within a few hundred years sea levels in some places had risen by as much as 10 meters—more than if the ice sheet that still covers Greenland were to melt today. This freshwater flood filled the North Atlantic and also shut down the ocean currents that conveyed warmer water from equatorial regions northward. The equatorial heat warmed the precincts of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere instead, shrinking the fringing sea ice and changing the circumpolar winds. As a result—and for reasons that remain unexplained—the waters of the Southern Ocean may have begun to release carbon dioxide, enough to raise concentrations in the atmosphere by more than 100 parts per million over millennia—roughly equivalent to the rise in the last 200 years. That CO2 then warmed the globe, melting back the continental ice sheets and ushering in the current climate that enabled humanity to thrive.
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54. wxmod 5:26 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Polluted cirrus clouds SE of Typhoon Bopha that will alter the course of that storm, causing it to move SE.

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55. indianrivguy 5:26 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:
Looking at the graph Dr. Masters put up regarding climate extremes, it looks like the first half of this century, extremes were actually on the slow decrease up to 1970, and then began to increase after up to present.

With that said I wonder, is this because there is some expected delay between climate change from CO2 and expected resulting extremes? Or is there some other reason for this such as natural shift in weather patterns? Or a combination of both? I'd like to hear some responses on this...

Then, I also ask this question, lets say hypothetically, that all current climate change was entirely natural, and that scientists found proof that it will continue to do so, and there isn't much we could do to change that. How then, would humanity respond, or how should we respond? Would we find ways to live in such extremes, as cultures have in parts of the world who have already lived with and learned to adapt with extremes throughout their genetic history


This is always a problem where cause and effect can be delayed by sometimes, years. It gives skeptics lots of "cherry picked" data points to attempt to discredit the we "are" getting warmer crowd.

For me, there are two separate issues. Global warming, and anthropogenic global warming. IMO, the first is overwhelmingly supported, it is the second one that seems to start the wars. For me, I just can't ignore the millions of tons of CO2 WE are adding to our Blue Marble. I just don't understand how some can seemingly ignore, or blow off as having no impact when the science is pretty straight forward. It may turn out that this is a "natural" cycle, but to think that we are not exacerbating the problem seems rather sort sighted. JMHO
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56. LargoFl 5:27 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
Possible Nor,Easter being charted by the GFS..
..well hopefully that middle graph is showing rain coming our way
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57. goosegirl1 5:32 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting nymore:
It is Native American for all you Crackers


And by leaving out First Nation people you just lived up to your own insult.
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58. LargoFl 5:33 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
I guess it IS true..CO2 does warm the atmosphere and we release alot of it, so in effect we are helping to warm the planet..which melts the ice and the seas rise..and humans alive when it happens will have to deal with it...its sad but true....then again..humans alive 20,000 years ago..had to deal with the ice age and humans are still here...and getting ready to pollute other planets.....maybe we are a virus?..in the grand scheme of things..universe wise?
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59. nymore 5:36 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting goosegirl1:


And by leaving out First Nation people you just lived up to your own insult.
Sorry I am not in Canada
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60. SteveDa1 5:37 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
maybe we are a virus?


Some say life is a virus. :)

Inanimate objects only follow cause and effect... while we selfishly change our surroundings to adapt our needs. Maybe, a truly wise civilization will have mastered adaptation to its natural environment instead of trying to make space for themselves?
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61. goosegirl1 5:39 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Not to change the subject (we can always get back to that :)) but this concerns me. Link

Most of us do not realize how lucky we were to be born in a developed nation with a strong infrastructure and government help when needed. We would rather take shots at the opposite political party than realize that we are all floating in the same boat- there is no America, British, African, First Nation... there is only human.
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62. goosegirl1 5:41 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting nymore:
Sorry I am not in Canada


hint- Read 61. There's no Canadian either :)
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63. washingtonian115 5:46 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting goosegirl1:
Not to change the subject (we can always get back to that :)) but this concerns me. Link

Most of us do not realize how lucky we were to be born in a developed nation with a strong infrastructure and government help when needed. We would rather take shots at the opposite political party than realize that we are all floating in the same boat- there is no America, British, African, First Nation... there is only human.
The song "Human" by the human league comes to mind...of course they were talking about a much more adult subject than this blog would allow....


My local news paper has a artical titled "Can lightning help predict tornados?" By capital weather gang on the washington post website.

google it because I'm to lazy to give the link.
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64. RTSplayer 5:46 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Bopha is probably in an eye-wall replacement cycle again.

It had a mini-peak about 6 hours ago with very warm core temperatures and a small eye again, but now its getting some cover over the eye again.

2012DEC07 113000 6.0 929.7/ +2.7 /115.0 6.0 6.4 6.8 2.2T/6hr OFF OFF 11.40 -73.78 EYE 16 IR 15.42 -116.05 COMBO
2012DEC07 123000 6.0 929.6/ +2.6 /115.0 6.0 6.4 6.6 2.7T/12hr OFF OFF 4.49 -72.86 EYE 16 IR 15.50 -116.16 COMBO
2012DEC07 125700 6.1 927.0/ +2.6 /117.4 6.1 6.4 6.6 2.7T/12hr OFF OFF 5.59 -73.47 EYE 16 IR 15.64 -116.17 COMBO
2012DEC07 133000 6.2 924.4/ +2.6 /119.8 6.2 6.4 6.5 2.7T/12hr OFF OFF -12.05 -74.96 EYE -99 IR 15.71 -116.19 COMBO
2012DEC07 135700 6.3 921.8/ +2.6 /122.2 6.3 6.2 6.2 NO LIMIT OFF OFF -33.63 -75.54 EYE -99 IR 15.66 -116.20 SPRL
2012DEC07 143000 6.3 921.8/ +2.5 /122.2 6.3 6.3 6.3 NO LIMIT OFF OFF -30.16 -75.54 EYE/P -99 IR 15.81 -116.32 SPRL
2012DEC07 145700 6.3 921.7/ +2.5 /122.2 6.3 6.2 6.2 NO LIMIT OFF OFF -33.65 -75.35 EYE/P -99 IR 15.86 -116.34 SPRL
2012DEC07 153000 6.3 921.7/ +2.5 /122.2 6.1 5.2 5.2 0.7T/6hr ON OFF -60.44 -74.91 EMBC N/A 15.91 -116.36 SPRL
2012DEC07 155700 6.3 921.7/ +2.5 /122.2 5.9 5.2 5.2 0.7T/6hr ON OFF -63.66 -75.63 EMBC N/A 15.96 -116.37 SPRL
2012DEC07 163000 6.3 921.7/ +2.5 /122.2 5.8 5.2 4.7 0.7T/6hr ON FLG -74.91 -74.47 UNIFRM N/A 16.01 -116.81 SPRL
2012DEC07 165700 6.3 921.6/ +2.4 /122.2 5.6 5.0 4.6 1.2T/12hr ON FLG -72.83 -72.85 UNIFRM N/A 16.35 -116.72 SPRL


Last time it was calculated, the radius of maximum winds was still 16NM.
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65. biff4ugo 5:53 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:
Looking at the graph Dr. Masters put up regarding climate extremes, it looks like the first half of this century, extremes were actually on the slow decrease up to 1970, and then began to increase after up to present.



from Biff:
Remember that question about humans being responsible for more than 100% of the warming? That was because without our contributions the trend would continue to be cooler. Right?

Quoting Jedkins01:
BR>Then, I also ask this question, lets say hypothetically, that all current climate change was entirely natural, and that scientists found proof that it will continue to do so, and there isn't much we could do to change that. How then, would humanity respond, or how should we respond? Would we find ways to live in such extremes, as cultures have in parts of the world who have already lived with and learned to adapt with extremes throughout their genetic history


from Biff:
Adapt or die. If we can't change it, then we put all our effort into adaptation and anticipation...like weather forecasting improvements. Yippee! Both sides can agree on that.
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66. washingtonian115 6:03 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Well this is what I noticed..Usually when one month is much below avergae(like this past November) the following month is average to above average?.

Also I started picking up on something awhile ago.I noticed that big blockbuster storms occur 40+ days apart with each other and had a second but a much smaller storm on scale follow right behind.

For a example back in 2009 in December we had a big blizzard around the 17 or 18 a week later a smaller storm followed and dumped rain about a week after.Then! 40+ days later(in February) another big storm happened that was followed by a smaller storm on scale.Like how Sandy this year was a big storm only to be followed by a week later with another storm.So if my calculations are correct I expect another big storm within a week or two...Before December is out.
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67. hydrus 6:07 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
A long way out, but could be a Mid-South howler or two coming our way..They can be potent and do damage from just straight line winds and no thunderstorms.
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68. biff4ugo 6:13 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Hurricanes really need a 3 point rating system, like fertilizer.

Cat/max wind - Size - Speed/Rain

Bopha
5-1-4
Sandy
1-6-2

something like that.
Since microcanes don't do as much damage overall even with high max wind speeds (unless you are a small island)

Fast hurricanes also do much less damage than the ones that park and hammer the shorelines/dump rain for days on end.

I think storm surge is a product of the three numbers.

If there was a 4th number, it would be for preparedness.
0 = fish storm, 1 = hitting places that are used to it and less developed, 2 = places that have a regular history/more developed, 3 = highly developed/with some history, 4 = unprepared/ very rare, 5 = unprecedented.
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69. RTSplayer 6:14 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
18 states had their warmest year on record
10 had their second warmest
6 had their third warmest
3 had their 4th warmest
1 had 5th warmest

38 states had top 5 warmest years.

Rank StateNum State% Log(1+(1/N))

1 18 0.375 0.301
2 10 0.208 0.176
3 06 0.125 0.1249
4 03 0.0625 0.0969
5 01 outlier

It's not perfect, but it's following the "Law of large numbers," which means that since this is maximum records, the opposite of a normal statistical Bell curve, you'd expect the number of first place records for individual states to be lower if it was obeying a normal Bell curve. So seeing the reverse of a "statistical" hottest year ever, with more individual members each having their first, second, or third hottest year ever than not, then this represents an incredible amount of forcing on a continental scale.


Probability of any one state randomly having a record year:

0.407

Probability of any of 18 states randomly having record years during the same year somewhere in a 118 year data set.

5.27 in ten thousand.
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70. JustPlantIt 6:15 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    

Quoting hydrus:
A long way out, but could be a Mid-South howler or two coming our way..They can be potent and do damage from just straight line winds and no thunderstorms.
And, looks like the Northeast could get hammered.... not what people who are still dealing with 'Sandy' need.
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71. GeorgiaStormz 6:15 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Ok I'm really not sure what to make of this:

First severe wx chance:


IT DOES NOT APPEAR OUT OF THE QUESTION
THAT FORCING AND STRONG GENERALLY UNIDIRECTIONAL SHEAR COULD SUPPORT
THE EVOLUTION OF A SOUTHEASTWARD ADVANCING SQUALL LINE OVERNIGHT.
THIS WILL INCLUDE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE WIND/HAIL...PERHAPS AN
ISOLATED TORNADO OR TWO
.
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So then we move to 192 hrs and a potentially significant negatively tilted trough:


INTERACTION BETWEEN A BELT
OF WESTERLIES EMERGING FROM THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC...AND ANOTHER
EMERGING FROM THE SUBTROPICAL EASTERN PACIFIC...WILL LEAD TO A
STRENGTHENING UPPER JET ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN TIER
OF THE U.S. LATE NEXT WEEK. THIS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY INCREASING
POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS IN CLOSER PROXIMITY
TO THE GULF OF MEXICO...WHICH COULD SUPPORT AN INCREASING RISK FOR
SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS
...BUT PROBABLY NOT UNTIL AFTER THIS FORECAST
PERIOD.
_________________________________________________

Right behind this system we have another system, barely 2-3 days later, note the first trough still off the northeasteast coast:



This threatens to drop snow as far south as N GA but I cant tell if there is an appreciable severe wx threat, but it would stay in S GA/N FL anyway

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And then the whole thing turns into a great long lasting Nor'easter with LOTS of snow for the NE and Mid atlantic:



_________________________________________________ __

And before that is even finally done with the NE, a new system comes with storms for the SE and snow AGAIN for the Midatlantic and NE:



_________________________________________________ _

Amplified pattern much?
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72. bappit 6:16 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting pottery:

I was not reading your mind, you know.
I was reading your comments.

Saw that on the last blog. LOL'd have to say.
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73. percylives 6:20 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting yonzabam:
That 2012 line is plain scary. We were warned that climate change would not be a gradual process everywhere, but would often 'lurch' into new regional climatic regimes.

The recently elucidated 'Arctic dipole' may be an example of this, and it seems to be making the jet stream more erratic. The jet stream has a huge influence on regional weather.

Too soon to make any connection between the jet stream and record US temperatures and drought, but if they are connected, I can only see things getting worse.


Jennifer Francis, Professor, Institute of Marine and Coastal Studies, Rutgers University, presents a very good argument they are connected and we are witnessing it already.

The Short Version

The Long Version
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74. biff4ugo 6:26 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
RTS, the state temperatures are not independent or random. They are spatially correlated.

If one state is having record temperatures, the odds of adjacent states having record temperatures is not some random number, it is greatly increased. A state next to a record warm state is NOT going to have a record cold temperature, as could happen with a random sample of numbers.

-spatial ed.
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75. GeorgiaStormz 6:31 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
There was a tornado in Uruguay and supercells in Argentina yesterday?

Video of a tornado in Dolores
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76. RTSplayer 6:34 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting biff4ugo:
Hurricanes really need a 3 point rating system, like fertilizer.

Cat/max wind - Size - Speed/Rain

Bopha
5-1-4
Sandy
1-6-2

something like that.
Since microcanes don't do as much damage overall even with high max wind speeds (unless you are a small island)

Fast hurricanes also do much less damage than the ones that park and hammer the shorelines/dump rain for days on end.

I think storm surge is a product of the three numbers.

If there was a 4th number, it would be for preparedness.
0 = fish storm, 1 = hitting places that are used to it and less developed, 2 = places that have a regular history/more developed, 3 = highly developed/with some history, 4 = unprepared/ very rare, 5 = unprecedented.


Just do IKE values, or for simplicity, do nested circles for rings according to this formula:

(1/S)*(R^2)*(V^2)

Where:
V is in units of 1 = 25knts.
R is in units of 1 = 25nautical miles radius.
S is in units of 1 = 10 kts forward speed.

You could further break it down by quadrant and do the rings in each quadrant individually, so you get a better number for lop-sided storms.

This approximates IKE, but doesn't require "fancy" math.


A computer can do this for an entire storm in less than a second. If I had access to the data set used to make this map, I could write the code in a few minutes, and you can get a GOOD approximation of these nested rings just using the data printed at the bottom left on the map, subtracting out the area of the inner rings or quadrants of rings, of course.




So easy a caveman can do it.
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77. GeorgiaStormz 6:34 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
After a brief warmup, it appears the Nino regions of the East Pacific are forecasted to continue to cool

So basically El nino hides out this winter, comes back to ruin severe weather season, and leaves by summer....
grrrrrr:

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78. FunnelVortex 6:36 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
After a brief warmup, it appears the Nino regions of the East Pacific are forecasted to continue to cool

So basically El nino hides out this winter, comes back to ruin severe weather season, and leaves by summer....
grrrrrr:



They were WRONG about last winter being colder than average. They were then WRONG about this hurricane season being below average.

They could be wrong about this one as well.
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79. bappit 6:37 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Arctic Wildfire Soot Darkening Greenland Ice Sheet

"Now, adding to the darkening of the surface that comes with more meltwater is the soot from Arctic tundra wildfires, another phenomenon that seems to be increasing with global warming. As these wildfires rage, atmospheric currents carry their smoke plumes over other areas, including Greenland, as the CALIPSO images show. The soot drops out from these plumes and darkens the ice sheet, exacerbating the feedback cycle of melting."
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80. biff4ugo 6:38 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Thanks RTS
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81. RTSplayer 6:38 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting biff4ugo:
RTS, the state temperatures are not independent or random. They are spatially correlated.

If one state is having record temperatures, the odds of adjacent states having record temperatures is not some random number, it is greatly increased. A state next to a record warm state is NOT going to have a record cold temperature, as could happen with a random sample of numbers.

-spatial ed.



I realize that.

Maybe I should have made that clear.
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82. GeorgiaStormz 6:39 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Iinteractive Blitz Map

The map shows every bomb dropped on London during "the Blitz" in WWII
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83. JustPlantIt 6:53 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
After a brief warmup, it appears the Nino regions of the East Pacific are forecasted to continue to cool

So basically El nino hides out this winter, comes back to ruin severe weather season, and leaves by summer....
grrrrrr:

I think that the rules have changed with ice melt. It may or maynot be a significant change... but still one that changes what we were taught to think. Science does not know what it has not yet studied with rising sea water levels or how they interact with atmosphere. This is just a new beginning that needs an open mind for a different approach from what we have seen in historical past. AND no... I am not a scientist. Just an observation.
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84. wxmod 6:55 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting bappit:
Arctic Wildfire Soot Darkening Greenland Ice Sheet

"Now, adding to the darkening of the surface that comes with more meltwater is the soot from Arctic tundra wildfires, another phenomenon that seems to be increasing with global warming. As these wildfires rage, atmospheric currents carry their smoke plumes over other areas, including Greenland, as the CALIPSO images show. The soot drops out from these plumes and darkens the ice sheet, exacerbating the feedback cycle of melting."


Bappit,
Feedback cycles is what makes global warming such a huge, urgent issue. One thing leads to another. CO2 goes up, makes wildfires that melt Greenland ice and permafrost releasing methane, which causes more greenhouse effect. Also exaserbating the situation: the human volcano of coal smoke coming out of China and India, 24/7/365 for the last 20 years.
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85. RTSplayer 7:02 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting goosegirl1:
Not to change the subject (we can always get back to that :)) but this concerns me. Link

Most of us do not realize how lucky we were to be born in a developed nation with a strong infrastructure and government help when needed. We would rather take shots at the opposite political party than realize that we are all floating in the same boat- there is no America, British, African, First Nation... there is only human.



It's unremarkable compared to the existing normal expiration rate globally.

If you want to help the economy, do forced vaccinations for all strains of all possible diseases for a few years, instead of only vaccinating a few strains of the flu and 3 or 4 other things like they do now, and the results would then be that most diseases would go extinct and save TRILLIONS world wide in medical expenses, and greatly increase the average human life expectancy and quality of life.


Governments don't do that because they actually WANT high expiration rates among the elderly and disabled, in order to remove them from social programs. I find this appalling, but true.

If you visit certain other science sites, you will find many ultra-liberals (who are often otherwise very intelligent people,) actually want forced birth rates to one per woman, and forced world population decrease by withholding vaccines and medicine and other such things.


If they vaccinated everyone and made most of the diseases go extinct, people would be much healthier for most of their lives and would visit hospitals and especially emergency rooms far less often.

Think of all the people would wouldn't miss work as often for flus and tummy aches and such.

Currently, we literally vaccinate and medicate pets and livestock better than human beings, because we want the livestock to live long enough to be edible, but governments want the sick and elderly to die so they get off the payroll.


MRSA and VRSA?

The CURE has been known by the scientific community for at least 4 years now. There are two approaches which WORK and kill the bacteria before it can adapt, and neither of them need any new technology or medicines. Yet neither has been implemented. Why?


According to the CIA World Factbook, as of July, 2005, there were approximately 6,446,131,400 people on the planet, and the death rate was approximately 8.78 deaths per 1,000 people a year. According to our nifty desktop calculator, that works out to roughly 56,597,034 people leaving us every year. That's about a 155,000 a day.
Still, more people are being born than dying. The population growth rate is hovering around 1.14%, which doesn't seem like much, but last year that was (back to the calculator!) 73,485,898 more mouths to feed.


source


That's out-dated since it was a low estimate, and we've actually already passed 7 billion since then.

By the time 2030 rolls around 100 million deaths per year will probably be normal expiration rate, because we're not likely to get the most radically advanced technologies to extend life before then anyway, and the technologies which have been proposed tend to work best over a person's entire life span. Which means death rates will mostly stay about the same curve up until then.
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86. weatherbro 7:03 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Why are some models forecasting Bopha to make a loop-de-loop in the South China Sea rather then head straight northeast despite a persistant east Asian tough?
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87. weatherbro 7:06 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Looks like another person will have read the post and fell on blind eyes...The longer range for the next 10 days(which will be the first half of December) will be mild for my area with some shots of cold air but for the most part the highs will be in the 50's and 60's.


Opps...I meant the 2nd half of the month(especially toward the Winter Solstice) Link.:)
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88. indianrivguy 7:06 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting percylives:


Jennifer Francis, Professor, Institute of Marine and Coastal Studies, Rutgers University, presents a very good argument they are connected and we are witnessing it already.

The Short Version

The Long Version


I am alone in the house, not even the cat. I clicked on both links to open in a new tab and thought it was text. A minute later someone VERY close starts talking to me.. I almost jumped out of my chair.. it was one of your videos starting.. a blonde moment..
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89. wxmod 7:06 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
The human volcanoe: China today. MODIS satellite photo


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90. mo999999999 7:07 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
So Bopha just decided to rapidly intensify and become a cat 3 again.
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91. kwgirl 7:08 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:
Looking at the graph Dr. Masters put up regarding climate extremes, it looks like the first half of this century, extremes were actually on the slow decrease up to 1970, and then began to increase after up to present.

With that said I wonder, is this because there is some expected delay between climate change from CO2 and expected resulting extremes? Or is there some other reason for this such as natural shift in weather patterns? Or a combination of both? I'd like to hear some responses on this...

Then, I also ask this question, lets say hypothetically, that all current climate change was entirely natural, and that scientists found proof that it will continue to do so, and there isn't much we could do to change that. How then, would humanity respond, or how should we respond? Would we find ways to live in such extremes, as cultures have in parts of the world who have already lived with and learned to adapt with extremes throughout their genetic history
I am not a scientist but I have an opinion like other things we all have in common. LOL The response to GW should be two pronged. Development and implementation of alternate fuel sources ASAP and start addressing the rise in sea levels by acknowledging it is happening faster than first thought and do some serious resconstruction and/or pull back of the coasts. When I lose my home I would like a nice little cottage under a Sequoia tree. Or at least close to one.
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92. yonzabam 7:09 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
There was a tornado in Uruguay and supercells in Argentina yesterday?

Video of a tornado in Dolores


Also, a rare, destructive tornado in Auckland, New Zealand, which killed three people and put seven in hospital.

Link
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93. RTSplayer 7:09 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting weatherbro:
Why are some models forecasting Bopha to make a loop-de-loop in the South China Sea rather then head straight northeast despite a persistant east Asian tough?


Trough isn't deep enough (possibly anyway) and so it doesn't push the storm out. Then a high behind it pushes the storm back south and west (possibly).

Models may be a bit wrong. Maybe the storm hits the Philippines again before the loop happens, or during the second part of the loop, if it isn't as tight as the forecast shows, all assuming it happens at all.


Plus the model could just be out to lunch.

Data isn't as good over there because we don't have as much instrumentation as in the U.S. so the error bars on any forecast are a lot bigger.
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94. nrtiwlnvragn 7:11 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
After a brief warmup, it appears the Nino regions of the East Pacific are forecasted to continue to cool

So basically El nino hides out this winter, comes back to ruin severe weather season, and leaves by summer....
grrrrrr:



Appears statistical models have done better lately.....





From December Monthly Ocean Briefing
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95. indianrivguy 7:12 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:






MRSA and VRSA?

The CURE has been known by the scientific community for at least 4 years now. There are two approaches which WORK and kill the bacteria before it can adapt, and neither of them need any new technology or medicines. Yet neither has been implemented. Why?




RTS, got a link for these cures? I am very interested in this. Thanks!
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96. MTWX 7:13 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Off topic tidbit...

Anyone notice the decent sized space rock forecasted to come in very close proximity to us on the 15th of February???

Link

2012 DA14 will pass within .09 Lunar Distance from earth!

Can't fine the article I read on it, but here is some info I remember from it:

This asteroid will pass close enough to be seen through a normal backyard telescope.

It will also come through the GPS satellite ring possibly impacting one.

It is not currently expected to hit Earth, but if it did, it would not cause significant damage unless it hit a population center (Pacific Ocean impact is most likely if it does become inbound, given the current forecast)
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97. wxmod 7:13 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Satellite photo of the Himalaya(top) and your computer being made(everything else). MODIS today

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98. goosegirl1 7:15 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:



It's unremarkable compared to the existing normal expiration rate globally.

If you want to help the economy, do forced vaccinations for all strains of all possible diseases for a few years, instead of only vaccinating a few strains of the flu and 3 or 4 other things like they do now, and the results would then be that most diseases would go extinct and save TRILLIONS world wide in medical expenses, and greatly increase the average human life expectancy and quality of life.


Governments don't do that because they actually WANT high expiration rates among the elderly and disabled, in order to remove them from social programs. I find this appalling, but true.

If you visit certain other science sites, you will find many ultra-liberals (who are often otherwise very intelligent people,) actually want forced birth rates to one per woman, and forced world population decrease by withholding vaccines and medicine and other such things.


If they vaccinated everyone and made most of the diseases go extinct, people would be much healthier for most of their lives and would visit hospitals and especially emergency rooms far less often.

Think of all the people would wouldn't miss work as often for flus and tummy aches and such.

Currently, we literally vaccinate and medicate pets and livestock better than human beings, because we want the livestock to live long enough to be edible, but governments want the sick and elderly to die so they get off the payroll.


MRSA and VRSA?

The CURE has been known by the scientific community for at least 4 years now. There are two approaches which WORK and kill the bacteria before it can adapt, and neither of them need any new technology or medicines. Yet neither has been implemented. Why?


According to the CIA World Factbook, as of July, 2005, there were approximately 6,446,131,400 people on the planet, and the death rate was approximately 8.78 deaths per 1,000 people a year. According to our nifty deskto calculator, that works out to roughly 56,597,034 people leaving us every year. That's about a 155,000 a day.
Still, more people are being born than dying. The population growth rate is hovering around 1.14%, which doesn't seem like much, but last year that was (back to the calculator!) 73,485,898 more mouths to feed.


source


That's out-dated since it was a low estimate, and we've actually already passed 7 billion since then.

By the time 2030 rolls around 100 million deaths per year will probably be normal expiration rate, because we're not likely to get the most radically advanced technologies to extend life before then anyway, and the technologies which have been proposed tend to work best over a person's entire life span. Which means death rates will mostly stay about the same curve up until then/em>




The article is speaking of deaths caused by climate change, not deaths by all causes. If there are more people, common sence would tell you that there will be more deaths.


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99. indianrivguy 7:17 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting kwgirl:
I am not a scientist but I have an opinion like other things we all have in common. LOL The response to GW should be two pronged. Development and implementation of alternate fuel sources ASAP and start addressing the rise in sea levels by acknowledging it is happening faster than first thought and do some serious resconstruction and/or pull back of the coasts. When I lose my home I would like a nice little cottage under a Sequoia tree. Or at least close to one.


wow... that's a loooong way to move.. from Cayo Hueso to Modoc Country :)
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100. FunnelVortex 7:17 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting wxmod:
The human volcanoe: China today. MODIS satellite photo




At least its not Detroit.
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101. washingtonian115 7:22 PM GMT on December 07, 2012    
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Ok I'm really not sure what to make of this:

First severe wx chance:


IT DOES NOT APPEAR OUT OF THE QUESTION
THAT FORCING AND STRONG GENERALLY UNIDIRECTIONAL SHEAR COULD SUPPORT
THE EVOLUTION OF A SOUTHEASTWARD ADVANCING SQUALL LINE OVERNIGHT.
THIS WILL INCLUDE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE WIND/HAIL...PERHAPS AN
ISOLATED TORNADO OR TWO
.
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So then we move to 192 hrs and a potentially significant negatively tilted trough:


INTERACTION BETWEEN A BELT
OF WESTERLIES EMERGING FROM THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC...AND ANOTHER
EMERGING FROM THE SUBTROPICAL EASTERN PACIFIC...WILL LEAD TO A
STRENGTHENING UPPER JET ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN TIER
OF THE U.S. LATE NEXT WEEK. THIS MAY BE ACCOMPANIED BY INCREASING
POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS IN CLOSER PROXIMITY
TO THE GULF OF MEXICO...WHICH COULD SUPPORT AN INCREASING RISK FOR
SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS
...BUT PROBABLY NOT UNTIL AFTER THIS FORECAST
PERIOD.
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Right behind this system we have another system, barely 2-3 days later, note the first trough still off the northeasteast coast:



This threatens to drop snow as far south as N GA but I cant tell if there is an appreciable severe wx threat, but it would stay in S GA/N FL anyway

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And then the whole thing turns into a great long lasting Nor'easter with LOTS of snow for the NE and Mid atlantic:



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And before that is even finally done with the NE, a new system comes with storms for the SE and snow AGAIN for the Midatlantic and NE:



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Amplified pattern much?


Did you post this just for me?.lol.
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