Very warm November assures 2012 will be warmest year in U.S. history

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:39 PM GMT on December 07, 2012

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The heat is on again in the U.S. After recording its first cooler-than-average month in sixteen months during October, the U.S. heated up considerably in November, notching its 20th warmest November since 1895, said NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) in their latest State of the Climate report. The warm November virtually assures that 2012 will be the warmest year on record in the U.S. The year-to-date period of January - November has been by far the warmest such period on record for the contiguous U.S.--a remarkable 1.0°F above the previous record. During the 11-month period, 18 states were record warm and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. The December 2011 - November 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., and the eight warmest 12-month periods since record keeping began in 1895 have all ended during 2012. December 2012 would have to be 1°F colder than our coldest December on record (set in 1983) to prevent the year 2012 from being the warmest in U.S. history. This is meteorologically impossible, given the recent December heat in the U.S. As wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt reported, an early-December heat wave this week set records for warmest December temperature on record in seven states. December 2012 is on pace to be a top-20% warmest December on record in the U.S.

November 2012 was the 8th driest November on record for the U.S., and twenty-two states had top-ten driest Novembers. The area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing moderate-to-exceptional drought grew from 59% on November 6 to 62% on December 6. This is the largest area of the U.S. in drought since 1954.


Figure 1. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for November 2012. Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming had top-ten warmest Novembers, while only North Carolina had a top-ten coldest November. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).


Figure 2. Historical temperature ranking for the U.S. for the January - November period. Eighteen states were record warm, and an additional 24 states were top ten warm. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

Most extreme January - November period on record
The year-to-date January - November period was the most extreme on record in the contiguous U.S., according to NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), which tracks the percentage area of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% and bottom-10% extremes in temperature, precipitation, and drought. The CEI was 46% in January - November, more than double the average of 20%. A record 86% of the contiguous U.S. had maximum temperatures that were in the warmest 10% historically during the first eleven months of 2012, and 71% of the U.S. of the U.S. had warm minimum temperatures in the top 10%--2nd highest on record. The percentage area of the U.S. experiencing top-10% drought conditions was 32%, which was the 4th greatest since 1910. Only droughts in the Dust Bowl year of 1934, and during 1954 and 1956, were more extreme for the January - November period. Heavy 1-day downpours have been below average so far in 2012, though, with 9% of nation experiencing a top-10% extreme, compared to the average of 10%.


Figure 3. NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) for January - November shows that 2012 had the most extreme first eleven months of the year on record, with 46% of the contiguous U.S. experiencing top-10% extreme weather-more than double the average of 20%.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting RTSplayer:

Surgeon General's warning:
Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966–1970)
Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970–1985)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985–)
Manslaughter definition:
Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).

and
The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

It meets the definition, as everyone was informed 50 years ago and continuously since then.


Notice:

Failure to notice the oxygen supply has disconnected (a complete accident) is a crime and has been prosecuted.

Intentionally smoking, releasing poisons and carcinogens into the air, is obviously a more evil act by far, and having no excuse whatever since it's been known for nearly 50 years and since it has no practical value at all in civilization (at least autos and coal perform a job for goodness sake,) but is not prosecuted as manslaughter.

Why the hypocrisy?

Again, complete accident gets prosecuted as a crime. Knowingly poisoning yourself and others for recreational purposes does not get prosecuted as a crime.

It's outrageous.

Now they legalized even more of it.
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Claudia in the Southern Hemisphere is looking pretty good:

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Quoting Neapolitan:
Almost certainly not man-made debris. This one was bright and fast, and witnessed by lots and lots of people across Texas and Louisiana.

Event #2085


According to one person on that site near me

"It was very detailed, orange yellowish trail of fire or sparks. It was long and crackled like a firework. Once the fireball made the boom sound, disintegrating, the trail fizzled out, simply disappearing."
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Quoting RitaEvac:


Heard that too, sounds like BS, what would the NWS know about a falling debris of satellite coming down, NASA would be knowing this first hand and would mention it that it was re entering the atmosphere


Relax. It is just The Green Lantern taking his first flying lessons. ... Superman who?
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178. wxmod
Quoting barbamz:

Did anyone notice this latest GFS-Model for Bopha crossing Luzon/Philippines? Different than the 5-days forecast track though.
With that good night from Germany. Lovely and silent outside with all the fresh snow ...


Interesting. I just saw that a few minutes ago. The cones are showing a lot different, and a much smaller storm.
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Quoting wxmod:


North Korean missile test. No big deal :)


I was expecting you to say supersonic radioactive chemtrails or something like that, haha.
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Surgeon General's warning:


Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966–1970)
Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970–1985)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight. (1985–)
SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide. (1985–)


Manslaughter definition:

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).


and

The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.


It meets the definition, as everyone was informed 50 years ago and continuously since then.
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175. wxmod
Quoting RitaEvac:
Mysterious Flash Seen Over Houston Skies, SE Texas, La. [Listen]

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North Korean missile test. No big deal :)
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Did anyone notice this latest GFS-Model for Bopha crossing Luzon/Philippines? Different than the 5-days forecast track though.
With that good night from Germany. Lovely and silent outside with all the fresh snow ...
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Quoting txjac:




UPDATE: The National Weather Service says the large flash may have been debris from Russian satellite COSMOS 2251 re-entering the atmosphere.

Almost certainly not man-made debris. This one was bright and fast, and witnessed by lots and lots of people across Texas and Louisiana.

Event #2085
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Mowed, edged, weed eated. Sweat dripping off me almost like summer time here in SE TX.
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Quoting goosegirl1:


If I'm not wrong, most people who use medicinal marijuana injest it, not smoke it. It does have a positive effect on appetite and recovery. I don't think injesting marijuana will increase cancer risk.

I didn't miss your point, but you are pushing a non-issue and showing a sad lack of compassion for the people who will die due to climate change.



If you hate climate change you should hate smoking even more.


I don't know who to have more compassion on for climate change than to not have compassion, since there's no way to know which are which anyway.

Every evidence is the deaths caused by smoking cigarettes (and marijuana) are more painful than anything known or likely from mere "climate change" related pollutants, as most places protect against lead or dioxin and such now.



You still don't get it. I'm talking about ALL smoking: Cigarettes, marijuana, and whatever else people might smoke.

Washington state legalized recreational marijuana, but said it could only be done in private, which is missing the point, because the poison still gets in the environment anyway.

Then a street filled with celebrators who lit up publicly.

I said that before, but you IGNORED IT.


Who is going to be accountable for so-called "medical marijuana" when the FDA rejects it as they already have, and people have cancer and other side effects?

Call 1-800-bad-drug to sue YAZ, but now they legalized another carcinogen and call it a "medical" agent?!?

Wow.

What a dumb and evil country I live in.


Governments don't care about people. They care about money.

Stupid, evil, uneducated people don't care about anything, it seems, not even their own lives, particularly in Washington State!


There's already too many legalized recreational substances:

Alcohol: how many senseless deaths, fights, assaults, child abuses, and spousal abuses does that cause or enhance?

Cigarettes: Cancer and just the smoke itself. God I have to breathe around these people and it makes me sick just thinking about how inconsiderate and evil they are for forcing me to breathe their poison.

Marijuana: same deal.


Everywhere you turn you have some senseless lunatic abusing substances and exhaling their poisons, or driving automobiles, or beating their kids or robbing and murdering somebody, partly because of it.


What happened to non-substance users' rights to "Life, liberty, and happiness"?

We suffer because of evil smokers, drinkers, and marijuana users who are the cause of a very large portion of the diseases and violence in the nation, and verifiably so through countless scientific studies (beyond the need to even cite anything).

It's just as evil as if half the population was forcing the other half to ingest small doses of cyanide every day, because it has the same effect, which is sickness and then death. Actually, it has a worse effect since it's slower acting in most cases, prolonging agony.

Since they already know this ahead of time through surgeon general's warning and scientific study, it should be classified as manslaughter or murder, since their actions bring about the deaths of others, the definition of Manslaughter is technically met by smoking a cigarette.

Actually, there's far more evidence that smokers are committing manslaughter than was presented against Casey Anthony for the murder/manslaughter of Caley, because we actually know the "Weapon" and we know the symptoms, and we have proof easily from convenient store videos, where we can watch the countless millions of manslaughtering suspects buying the poisonous products and maliciously releasing them into the air.

Who needs anthrax when we have nicotine plus carcinogenic compounds from cigarettes?

Manslaughter:

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).


Since I have a fundamental RIGHT to life, the "duty" of people NOT putting carcinogens in the air is owed to me.

Every person who makes a cigarette or smokes one is violating that.

They went out of their way to violate my fundamental right to life, by poisoning the air with a carcinogen. It's not like they accidentally do it. They do it every day, buy a pack or two per day, intentionally, maliciously, sometimes even foregoing food or drink or other needs or luxuries for themselves or family so they can buy their pack or two per day!


If that isn't evil then what is it?

Partial legal definition:

The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.




This means that if you cause someone else to get cancer and die, because of your actions which you knew caused cancer (which we all know for smoking and second hand smoke) then you should be charged with manslaughter.


If the tobacco companies are guilty of causing cancer to smokers, who is guilty of causing cancer to the non-smokers who got it through second-hand smoke?

Clearly smokers are evil, as the surgeon general's warning has been on the package all of my lifetime. Everyone knew about. They should all be prosecuted for manslaughter, as they technically meet the legal definition of having committed manslaughter.

Why didn't all the convenience stores who sold cigarettes get sued? They assisted in the manslaughter, because they knew it was deadly, as per the surgeon general's warning which has been there all along.

Whether it's manslaughter that takes 40 years or 40 seconds, it meets the technical definition either way.


P.S. Medical marijuana in most cases is just an excuse to use recreational marijuana.

There are far better, cheaper, safer drugs on the market right now.
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Quoting txjac:




UPDATE: The National Weather Service says the large flash may have been debris from Russian satellite COSMOS 2251 re-entering the atmosphere.



Heard that too, sounds like BS, what would the NWS know about a falling debris of satellite coming down, NASA would be knowing this first hand and would mention it that it was re entering the atmosphere
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169. txjac
Quoting RitaEvac:
Mysterious green flash streak across sky

A mysterious green flash seen streaking across the sky in Houston early Friday morning was likely a meteor, officials said. (Readers: Please submit your photos via email at photos@chron.com).

The streaking green glow was reportedly seen about 7 a.m. arching across the sky by people in Sugar Land, Tomball, Crosby, Shelton and dozens of other spots, according to the Harris County Sheriff's Office. Some reports had the light being spotted as far north as Dallas.

Deputies said patrol units also reported seeing the flash and burst of green.

The eerie gleaming light was also reported by people in Austin, said Chris McKinney, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

McKinney said it is believed to have been a meteor and possibly part of the Geminids meteor shower which usually is visible this time of year in the area. The shower peaks about December 13 and this meteor may have be the opening act of that celestial event, McKinney said.




UPDATE: The National Weather Service says the large flash may have been debris from Russian satellite COSMOS 2251 re-entering the atmosphere.

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Quoting wxchaser97:
The GFS continues to show a winter pattern setting up in the latter part of the run, 12Z at 384hrs. I get 6" with the NE getting a major snowstorm.


I am working on my TCR for Beryl and will have it completed sometime tonight or early tomorrow morning.

I really hope that prediction comes true so I have a foot of snow!!! :D :D
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WINTER WEATHER UPDATE
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Southwest Alaska snowstorm
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Mysterious Flash Seen Over Houston Skies, SE Texas, La. [Listen]

http://ronenews92fm.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/s umner-cut-two.wav

http://ronenews92fm.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/l istener-flash-of-light-cut-one.wav
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Mysterious green flash streak across sky

A mysterious green flash seen streaking across the sky in Houston early Friday morning was likely a meteor, officials said. (Readers: Please submit your photos via email at photos@chron.com).

The streaking green glow was reportedly seen about 7 a.m. arching across the sky by people in Sugar Land, Tomball, Crosby, Shelton and dozens of other spots, according to the Harris County Sheriff's Office. Some reports had the light being spotted as far north as Dallas.

Deputies said patrol units also reported seeing the flash and burst of green.

The eerie gleaming light was also reported by people in Austin, said Chris McKinney, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

McKinney said it is believed to have been a meteor and possibly part of the Geminids meteor shower which usually is visible this time of year in the area. The shower peaks about December 13 and this meteor may have be the opening act of that celestial event, McKinney said.

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KW, the Armstrong State Reserve in Sonoma County is really neat to visit as well. Believe the Armstrong tree is oldest - 1400 yrs or so, but part broke off, so not tallest. There is one around 310 ft there.

Also a petrified forest of Sequoia blown down in volcanic blast, the other "old faithful" in northern Napa, & one of the prettiest sights I've ever seen - where the Russian River meets the Pacific, and of course, the wine! Can't wait to get back there someday! Would like a chance to see Point Reyes, Muir Woods, and Yosemite.
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Quoting kwgirl:
Goodnight all.


Vacationing in Europe or just really tired? :D
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Quoting kwgirl:
Goodnight all.
You going crawling kw?
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Goodnight all.
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160. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Mauritius Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #7
FORTE TEMPETE TROPICALE CLAUDIA (04-20122013)
22:30 PM RET December 7 2012
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At 18:00 PM UTC, Severe Tropical Storm Claudia (982 hPa) located at 14.3S 75.3E has 10 minute sustained winds of 60 knots with gusts of 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west southwest at 4 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T4.0/4.0/D1.5/24 HRS

Storm Force Winds
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30 NM radius from the center extending up to 35 NM in the western semi-circle and the southeastern quadrant

Gale Force Winds
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35 NM radius from the center, extending up to 55 NM in the western semi-circle and up to 70 NM in the southeastern quadrant

Near Gale Force Winds
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40 NM radius from the center, extending up to 70 NM in the western semi-circle and up to 90 NM in the southeastern quadrant

Forecast and Intensity
======================
24 HRS: 14.5S 74.5E - 80 knots (Cyclone Tropical
48 HRS: 15.7S 75.0E - 85 knots (Cyclone Tropical
72 HRS: 18.9S 75.3E - 60 knots (Forte Tempête Tropicale)

Additional Information
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Despite a still existing north-easterly wind shear constraint (refer to CIMMS data) and an upper level outflow restricted in the north-eastern semi-circle(infrared water vapor meteosat7 imagery) Claudia keeps on rapidly strengthening (+1t/12h). It shows now since 1330 PM UTC a ragged eye on infrared imagery with a weakness in the southeastern quadrant (refer to SSMIS F18 1501 AM UTC). Since 1630 PM UTC eye is however cooling and temporarily disappearing until 1730 PM UTC on infrared imagery. The mentioned final t-number is an average over the past 6 hours. Near gale force winds 30 kt extensions has been recalibrated in the eastern semi-circle thanks to the partial ASCAT 1649 PM UTC swath.

The system has slow down its current west southwestwards motion as the mid-level ridge is collapsing to its south. Steering flow becomes weak. In this context, the system should continue on a slow westwards drift tonight and tomorrow. Erratic motion is possible within this time frame. Saturday afternoon or Saturday night, the mid level ridge is expected to shift to the east and northeast of Claudia and strengthen, producing a northerly steering flow. System is therefore expected to track southwards under the steering influence of this aforementioned mid level ridge. A south southeastwards trend, suggested by some models, is now reflected in the current forecast. On this forecast track, environmental conditions are expected to keep on being favorable until Sunday or very favorable due to two outflow channels on Saturday. This schedule should allow the system to regularly intensify.

Latest objective numerical guidance (0:00 AM UTC run of ALADIN-Reunion and STIPS suite of 6:00 AM UTC) still suggest a max intensity in the 70-80 knots range Sunday or Sunday night. The present forecast is just above this estimation and remains in line with the previous forecast. On and after Monday, system is expected to track over marginal heat oceanic content associated with stronger vertical wind shear a weakening trend should start by that time . Extratropical process is expected to start by late tuesday.
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Quoting jonger1150:
Very warm November? huh?
I'm biting my tongue also jonger
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Very warm November? huh?
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The GFS continues to show a winter pattern setting up in the latter part of the run, 12Z at 384hrs. I get 6" with the NE getting a major snowstorm.


I am working on my TCR for Beryl and will have it completed sometime tonight or early tomorrow morning.
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156. wxmod
"China has already become the world's third-largest consumer of solar energy, up from seventh in 2010. Solar installed capacity ballooned from 537 mw in 2010 to 2.5 gw in 2011. As a result of the external slowdown, officials have brought forward the planned target of 21 gw from 2020 to 2015."

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-solar-plans -are-insane-2012-12
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155. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


Should not have gone to public vote.

Average joe is too stupid and uneducated to be allowed to vote on issues like this.


If a majority votes to make murder or rape legal would you agree with that too?<BR>
Maybe we should let teenagers vote and run for office, so they'd all elect the starting quarterback or the biggest whore on campus as the president?<
BR>

That's the problem with democracy. The fundamental belief that the majority is always right is a lie.

Majority isn't right when they are stupid, evil, or uneducated.

Democracy is not "good" by nature.

It's no better than the combination of 50% totaling from the stupidest, most evil, or least educated.


guess who got the young vote this last election...
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Should not have gone to public vote.

Average joe is too stupid and uneducated to be allowed to vote on issues like this.


If a majority votes to make murder or rape legal would you agree with that too?

Maybe we should let teenagers vote and run for office, so they'd all elect the starting quarterback or the biggest whore on campus as the president?


That's the problem with democracy. The fundamental belief that the majority is always right is a lie.

Majority isn't right when they are stupid, evil, or uneducated.

Democracy is not "good" by nature.

It's no better than the combination of 50% totaling from the stupidest, most evil, or least educated.
And with that I thank you for your time, I really do have to go now.

Wow
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153. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


Should not have gone to public vote.

Average joe is too stupid and uneducated to be allowed to vote on issues like this.


If a majority votes to make murder or rape legal would you agree with that too?

Maybe we should let teenagers vote and run for office, so they'd all elect the starting quarterback or the biggest whore on campus as the president?


That's the problem with democracy. The fundamental belief that the majority is always right is a lie.

Majority isn't right when they are stupid, evil, or uneducated.

Democracy is not "good" by nature.

It's no better than the combination of 50% totaling from the stupidest, most evil, or least educated.


what country do you live in?
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Quoting RTSplayer:


In most cases, they got the cancer from cigarettes and other man-made carcinogens.

Since marijuana has been illegal for so long, there are no reliable studies showing just how bad a carcinogen marijuana smoke is, but the have been done, and it's been known for decades.


Treating the symptoms of cancer by prescribing smoking is insanity. It may relieve their pain, but so what? Now they'll get even more cancer, for similar, yet slightly different reasons.

Overdosing on some narcotic might relieve your pain too, but it's going to kill you just the same. See Michael Jackson.


Further, Washington State legalized recreational Marijuana, just so long as they don't have above a certain amount on them, and aren't in public when they smoke it. This is not enforceable, as shown on television last night, the smokers break the law anyway. The first thing they did on nation-wide television is light up in public. If anyone gave a damn about the law, they should have all been arrested immediately for smoking in public.

The Washington state law makers should be arrested by the FBI, along with all those marijuana smokers on television.


If I'm not wrong, most people who use medicinal marijuana injest it, not smoke it. It does have a positive effect on appetite and recovery. I don't think injesting marijuana will increase cancer risk.

I didn't miss your point, but you are pushing a non-issue and showing a sad lack of compassion for the people who will die due to climate change.
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Quoting nymore:
By lawmakers you mean the public that voted for it.


Should not have gone to public vote.

Average joe is too stupid and uneducated to be allowed to vote on issues like this.


If a majority votes to make murder or rape legal would you agree with that too?

Maybe we should let teenagers vote and run for office, so they'd all elect the starting quarterback or the biggest whore on campus as the president?


That's the problem with democracy. The fundamental belief that the majority is always right is a lie.

Majority isn't right when they are stupid, evil, or uneducated.

Democracy is not "good" by nature.

It's no better than the combination of 50% totaling from the stupidest, most evil, or least educated.
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Plants are where IT is.... CO2, PLANTS, food for them!Got to check the chickens,Sweet dreams!
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Quoting RTSplayer:
Bopha is starting to turn to the East, headed for the northern Philippines now.

Eye is a bit more ragged, but the colors and brighter with colder cloud tops than a few hours ago.



I hope that friggin thing gets sheared to pieces before it does anymore damage to that country...Or at least picks up speed and starts moving 25+ kts to the east. Those poor people. :(
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Trees... greens, anything that grows. We take that away in S. America. We take away medicines that indiginal people use. Wheather it is opiate or cocao or hemp. Even the mushroom. All can be illicit.  Even grapes and hops for alcohol.All are natural... LIVING MATERIAL. Not something that is synthetic.
These natural materials are the answer for human illness.
Watch TV and see how may times you should 'Ask your Doctor'....... Oh this makes me ILL!!!!!!!!
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
WINTER WEATHER UPDATE
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Minnesota/South Dakota snowstorm



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Looks like a severe dusting for the area
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Quoting RTSplayer:


In most cases, they got the cancer from cigarettes and other man-made carcinogens.

Since marijuana has been illegal for so long, there are no reliable studies showing just how bad a carcinogen marijuana smoke is, but the have been done, and it's been known for decades.


Treating the symptoms of cancer by prescribing smoking is insanity. It may relieve their pain, but so what? Now they'll get even more cancer, for similar, yet slightly different reasons.

Overdosing on some narcotic might relieve your pain too, but it's going to kill you just the same. See Michael Jackson.


Further, Washington State legalized recreational Marijuana, just so long as they don't have above a certain amount on them, and aren't in public when they smoke it. This is not enforceable, as shown on television last night, the smokers break the law anyway. The first thing they did on nation-wide television is light up in public. If anyone gave a damn about the law, they should have all been arrested immediately for smoking in public.

The Washington state law makers should be arrested by the FBI, along with all those marijuana smokers on television.
By lawmakers you mean the public that voted for it.
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WINTER WEATHER UPDATE
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Minnesota/South Dakota snowstorm



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Quoting Slamguitar:


Nvm on that, I'm just ignoring the the people who attempt to "debate" with them.

Sorry!


but what troll?
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:



the troll calling in here is getting old.....


Nvm on that, I'm just ignoring the people who attempt to "debate" with them.

Sorry!
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Quoting Slamguitar:


Don't quote the troll please!



the troll calling in here is getting old.....
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Little bit of precip in the lower LP right now. Supposed to turn to snow later tonight/early tomorrow for me. :D

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Prof. Dave Petleys update on his landslide blog:

7 December 2012
Evaluating the causes of the Typhoon Bopha / Pablo disaster

As the death toll from Typhoon Bopha / Pablo steadily mounts (the latest NDRRMC reports suggest that 418 people were killed and 383 are missing), the recriminations about the causes of the devastating debris flows that were responsible for so much of the loss has begun in earnest. In the worst affected area, Compostela Valley, an argument has started as to the degree to which mining was responsible for the loss. This is a legitimate question to ask, but in my view it misses the point. Let me show you why.
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I've got a few short bursts of snow coming soon, still crossing my fingers for a white Christmas! Climatology gives me an ~80% of that.

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I cannot see a connection between climate change and smoking, other than that. And since we have to farm anyway, how is to be avoided?


I read the article and know what it's talking about, but you missed my point.


The climate change related deaths are not even as much as the natural variation would be from long term patterns. Heck, by the time you factor in population is so much higher than it used to be, climate related deaths are actually much lower than 30 to 50 years ago.



As for smoking and how it relates...

My point on all of that was summed up as:

"If governments don't ban a useless poison such as marijuana or cigarettes why would you expect them to ban useful technologies which have a negative side effect on climate?"

Marijuana and Cigarettes kill people through the carcinogens they release into the smoker's lungs or into the atmosphere, and while mouth, throat and Lung cancers are the primary results, they cause and contribute to all sorts of diseases: other cancers, enhanced infections, potential damage to unborn children through primary or secondary causes, and more.


How can you worry so much about smog if you have 10 to 20% of people running around poisoning themselves and everyone else with Marijuana and like another 40% using cigarettes?


Why do I have to breathe so many other people's carcinogenic crap just because they want a buzz or have a nicotine craving?


From a governmental standpoint, it makes little sense except on two fronts:

Population reduction
Tax revenues.

They'd rather tax the smokers and let everyone get cancer from second-hand effects rather than continue fighting the drugs wars.

And so, after having weighted the value of innocent human lives of non-smokers and non-marijuana users, the Washington Stage government decided that a dollar from tax revenues is worth more than the life and health of a human being.

Not surprising, since the Federal Government has been doing the same thing with Cigarettes for at least an entire generation. Tehy are still legal, they just tax them more. This is unfair to non-smokers because their lives and health are cut short by cancers and other second-hand effects.


All of this is at least as bad or worse than smog related deaths, and it comes from a source which has no useful purpose whatever.

This is why I'd continue to be more concerned about stuff like this along with leaded glass, and radiation and such, rather than the smog.

There's no telling how much our genetics have been damage from cigarette smokers, leaded gasoline, and radiation from the atomic testing, which we haven't even really discovered.
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our whole civilization today is based..on burning fuels, now do you think factories are going to close up, people stop driving cars and companies giving up trucks to haul things?..no..alternative fuels are ok but doesnt solve the problem...then...go tell china to stop..no..they wont..so....IF..we humans..are causing global warming..then we get the global warming..period..some just will NOT change...and by the way..those alternative fuels..destroy the cars engine, some wont even work with them...wait til you try that E-15 or higher fuel.....we no our childrens children..will live with what we sow today....there is no..turning back..people just will not change...we see it even in here lol...some will some wont..
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Classifying climate change related deaths is absurd, because currently the most climate related deaths happened in China in the 1960's and in Africa in the 1970's and 1980's.

Since these events were before the worst of our CO2 emissions, this indicates that natural background rate and severity of famines is actually worse than what we've had since then. Which means we can't really know how much or little of famines will happen.


How many people will die from cancers and respiratory diseases caused or enhanced by second hand smoke from cigarettes and now legalized (in Washington state anyway) marijuana over the next 20 years?

If they wont ban and enforce bans against useless poisons why would you think they'd change behavior against side effects of useful technology?

You just think DUI and second hand smoke in public places was bad. Wait till 10 to 20% of people are driving around stoned on Marijuana! Senseless death rates will go up even higher!


I told you, government want higher death rates. If they did not, they would have already done things like I've shown above. They've had the technology for 50 to 60 years in most cases. The fact they are legalizing Marijuana, in spite of the debacle of what happens with other smoked agents such as tobacco causing cancer, this only supports my position!


You realize Washington State is making it legal to smoke Marijuana, and you realize this will cause more motor vehicle accidents, more accidental fall or stupidity deaths while stoned, more cancer, and more of other respiratory, skin, and eye diseases (where ever the smoke goes the particles go and they cause disease there, etc,). So by legalizing Marijuana, the Washington State government is effectively intentionally poisoning the population. This is particularly evil since many people have not done drugs and don't want to try drugs, and will become vulnerable to this heinous act of evil in spite of the fact that they will have done no drugs and no smoking.

Marijuana smokers are POISONING the air, and somebody should take the Washington State to court in the U.S. Supreme court for them legalizing this evil.


I'm not off topic, I'm just showing you a similar, easier to control case, a smoked drug which is a poison and cancer causing agent and not much else, which has the potential to cause or will cause many cancers, including in those who take no part in it.

This is far more evil and urgent than things like smog, which we already deal with anyway.



New Surgeon General's warning suggestion:

"Smoking cigarettes or marijuana kills innocent people who don't get a say in whether you smoke or not."


It is ironic that people with cancer smoke weed because it helps their symptoms and they did not get the cancer from weed
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THE RECENTLY DEVELOPED SHERB PARAMETER /SHERB STANDS FOR
SEVERE HAZARDS IN ENVIRONMENTS WITH REDUCED BUOYANCY/
...WHICH WAS
DEVELOPED TO DISCRIMINATE FOR HIGH SHEAR-LOW CAPE SEVERE EVENTS
ACROSS THE US...HAS BEEN SHOWING VALUES OF 1 TO 1.5 OVER NORTH GA
18Z-21Z MON. SHERB VALUES OVER 1.0 HAVE SHOWN SKILL AT PREDICTING
DAMAGING WIND AND ISOLD TORNADO EVENTS IN HS-LC ENVIRONMENTS.

------------------------------------------------- ---

Ive never heard of SHERB before....I wonder how accurate it really is.
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Quoting indianrivguy:


well those are some big ones... I hope to visit out there next summer.. can't wait.. I want to see General Sherman!

IRG..The tree is so amazing in real life...There is much debate about is it really the largest. It depends on so many factors, Height, girth, weight, branch size, height to first branch. etc
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