Nineteen Atlantic tropical storms 3 consecutive years: a very rare event

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:13 PM GMT on November 28, 2012

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The 2012 Atlantic hurricane season closes this Friday with another top-five tally for named storms--nineteen. This is the third consecutive year with nineteen named storms in the Atlantic, which is a remarkable level of activity for a three-year period. The closest comparable three-year period of activity occurred during 2003 - 2004 - 2005, when each season had fifteen-plus named storms. Since 1851, only two seasons--2005 (28 named storms) and 1933 (20 named storms)--have been busier than 2010, 2011, and 2012.


Figure 1. Preliminary tracks of the nineteen named storms from 2012. Image credit: National Hurricane Center.

How rare are 3 consecutive top-five hurricane seasons for named storms?
It is tremendously rare to get three consecutive top-five years in a database with a 162-year record. This would occur randomly just once every 34,000 years--assuming the database were unbiased, the climate were not changing, and a multi-year climate pattern favorable for active seasons were not present. However the database IS biased, the climate IS changing, and we have been in an active hurricane period that began in 1995. So, which of these factors may be responsible for recording three consecutive years with nineteen named storms? It is well-known that prior to the arrival of geostationary satellites in December 1966 and aircraft hurricane reconnaissance in 1945 that tropical storms in the Atlantic were under-counted. Landsea et al. (2004) theorized that we missed up to six named storms per year between 1851 - 1885, and up to four between 1886 - 1910. Landsea (2007) estimated the under-count to be 3.2 named storms per year between 1900 - 1965, and 1.0 per year between 1966 - 2002. Other studies have argued for lower under-counts. So, if we assume the highest under-counts estimated by Landsea et al. (2004) and Landsea (2007), here would be the top ten busiest Atlantic hurricane seasons since 1851:

2005: 28
1887: 25
1933: 23
1995: 20
2012, 2011, 2010, 1969, 1936: 19

So, 2012, 2011, and 2010 would still rank as top-five busiest seasons since 1851, but the odds of having three consecutive seasons with nineteen named storms would drop from a 1-in-34,000 year event to "only" a 1-in-5800 year event. More recently, Landsea et al. (2010) showed that the increasing trend in North Atlantic tropical storm frequency over the past 140 years was largely due to the increasing trend in short‐lived storms (storms lasting 2 days or less, called “shorties”), after the 1940s (Figure 2, top). They did not detect a significant increasing trend in medium‐ to long‐lived storms lasting more than 2 days. They wrote that “while it is possible that the recorded increase in short‐duration TCs [tropical cyclones] represents a real climate signal, we consider it is more plausible that the increase arises primarily from improvements in the quantity and quality of the observations, along with enhanced interpretation techniques.” Villarini et al. (2011), in a paper titled, "Is the recorded increase in short-duration North Atlantic tropical storms spurious?", agreed. They attempted to correlate increases in tropical Atlantic sea surface temperatures in recent decades to the increase in short-lived Atlantic tropical storms, and were unable to do so. They wrote: using statistical methods combined with the current understanding of the physical processes, we are unable to find support for the hypothesis that the century‐scale record of short‐lived tropical cyclones in the Atlantic contains a detectable real climate signal. Therefore, we interpret the long‐term secular increase in short‐duration North Atlantic tropical storms as likely to be substantially inflated by observing system changes over time. These results strongly suggest that studies examining the frequency of North Atlantic tropical storms over the historical era (between the 19th century and present) should focus on storms of duration greater than about 2 days. So, let's do that. If we look during the past three hurricane seasons at how many "shorties" were observed, we see that a large number that stayed at tropical storm strength for two days or less: six storms in 2010, six in 2011, and seven in 2012. This leaves the hurricane seasons of 2010, 2011, and 2012 with twelve to thirteen tropical storms that lasted more than two days. This doesn't stand out that much when looking at trends since 1878 (Figure 2, bottom); there are now 25 years in the 135-year record with twelve or more long-lived tropical cyclones. However, there are no previous occurrences of three consecutive years with at least twelve long-lived tropical storms, so 2010, 2011, and 2012 still represent an unprecedented level of tropical storm activity in the historical record, and we would expect such an event to occur randomly about once every 157 years. That's a pretty rare event, and it is possible that climate change, combined with the fact we are in an active hurricane period that began in 1995, contributed to this rare event.


Figure 2. Atlantic tropical cyclones between 1878 - 2012 that spent two days or less at tropical storm strength (top) and more than two days at tropical storm strength or hurricane strength (bottom.) Figure updated from Villarini, G., G. A. Vecchi, T. R. Knutson, and J. A. Smith (2011), "Is the recorded increase in short-duration North Atlantic tropical storms spurious?", J. Geophys. Res., 116, D10114, doi:10.1029/2010JD015493.

References
Landsea, C. W., C. Anderson, N. Charles, G. Clark, J. Dunion, J. Fernandez‐Partagas, P. Hungerford, C. Neumann, and M. Zimmer (2004), "The Atlantic hurricane database re‐analysis project: Documentation for 1851–1910 alterations and additions to the HURDAT database," in Hurricanes and Typhoons ‐ Past, Present, and Future, edited by R. J. Murnane and K. B. Liu, pp. 178–221, Columbia Univ. Press, New York.

Landsea, C. W., (2007), "Counting Atlantic tropical cyclones back to 1900," Eos, 88(18), 197-202.

Villarini, G., G. A. Vecchi, T. R. Knutson, and J. A. Smith (2011), "Is the recorded increase in short-duration North Atlantic tropical storms spurious?", J. Geophys. Res., 116, D10114, doi:10.1029/2010JD015493

Jeff Masters

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It has been a month since Sandy hit....

No doubt about its retirement
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Quoting nymore:
Well since I don't use any bias websites for info because of the spin they put on it. Your point is moot sir.

BTW being smart doesn't mean your not a wacko
Example Ted Kasinsky


The point isn't moot, it's quite clear. You are consciously ignoring the obvious difference. Some people are credible, others are not. Some others fall in the gray middle. The situation Nea is discribing is not an example of the gray middle.

One more time. Dr. Joe Romm is an established scientist who has been active in climate science for a number of years. Dr. Romm, as a scientist, was skeptical of a new paper saying droughts were not changing when so many other papers had said the opposite. Being a skeptic by nature, scientist Dr. Joe Romm asked other respected scientists who have researched - and published papers regarding - changes to the hydrologic cycle due to climate change. The other experts indicated that there were issues with the new paper that needed to be addressed, and these issues may directly impact the results.

The PDSI is just one index, one of several. As we know from other aspects of science, there can be numerous different indeces to represent the same thing (for example CAPE, LI, TotalTotals) but they may not always agree closely. Some are better than others in different situations. If new science paper wants to indicate that all other science papers on drought are wrong because of his one paper of model results using one index, then said scientist would be wise to discuss the discrepencies and resolve why his answer does not jive with the existing answer.

Welcome to science.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Then perhaps you'll care to share with us how you define the word "wacko", and why you used it to disparage Climate Progress?
You mean the guy who blames every bad weather event on CC, when he has no actual proof to back it up. WACKO

FWIW the other side has plenty of WACKO sites too
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Shrinking polar ice caused one-fifth of sea level rise

Comprehensive analysis quantifies ice sheet loss in Greenland and Antarctica
 
By Erin Wayman
Web edition: November 29, 2012


Greenland and Antarctica lost 4,260 billion metric tons of ice through melting and calving icebergs, a new study finds.


Scientists now have one polar ice study to rule them all. An international team of researchers has compiled 20 years of data from 10 satellite missions to create the most comprehensive assessment to date of Greenland’s and Antarctica’s shrinking ice sheets.

And the verdict: Between 1992 and 2011, the Greenland ice sheet lost 2,940 billion metric tons of ice while the Antarctic ice sheet shed 1,320 billion metric tons. All that water raised the sea level by an average of 11.1 millimeters, accounting for one-fifth of sea level rise over that period, the team reports in the Nov. 30 Science.
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521. yoboi
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I don't understand why it's taking so long to intensify, to be honest. It is in a low wind shear environment with an abundance of upper-level divergence and lower-level convergence and dry air isn't being sucked into the circulation according to the precipitable water loops.

It kind of looks like it's trying to wrap itself up right now:



With those favorable conditions you mentioned and a forming eyewall evident on microwave I wouldn't rule out RI at some point in the next 24-48 hours. The only limiting factor might be its low latitude.
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Quoting nymore:
Well since I don't use any bias websites for info because of the spin they put on it. Your point is moot sir.

BTW being smart doesn't mean your not a wacko
Example Ted Kasinsky
Then perhaps you'll care to share with us how you define the word "wacko", and why you used it to disparage Climate Progress?
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This discussion by JTWC cover all the bases about intensity and future track of Bopha.

WDPN31 PGTW 292100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL STORM 26W (BOPHA) WARNING NR
17//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TROPICAL STORM (TS) 26W (BOPHA) LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 755 NM EAST-
SOUTHEAST OF PALAU, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 11 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS A
REGENERATION OF CENTRAL CONVECTION OVER THE PREVIOUSLY PARTIALLY-
EXPOSED LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) WITH FORMATIVE BANDING
ALONG THE SOUTHERN SEMI-CIRCLE. THE CURRENT POSITION IS BASED ON AN
EXTRAPOLATION FROM THE 291548Z TRMM 37GHZ IMAGE, WHICH IS FURTHER
SUPPORTED BY THE 291741Z AMSU PASS AND 291800Z RJTD CENTER FIX
LOCATION, WITH GOOD CONFIDENCE. THE CURRENT INTENSITY IS BASED ON AN
AVERAGE OF DVORAK ESTIMATES RANGING FROM 45 TO 55 KNOTS FROM RJTD
AND PGTW/KNES RESPECTIVELY. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT THE
OUTFLOW IS BECOMING LESS ROBUST DESPITE A POINT SOURCE OVERHEAD. THE
SYSTEM IS ABOUT 08 DEGREES SOUTH OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR)
AXIS, WITH LIGHT (05-10 KNOT) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (VWS). THE SEA
SURFACE TEMPERATURE (SST) IS A VERY FAVORABLE 30 DEGREES CELSIUS. IT
SEEMS THAT THE LOW LATITUDE OF THE SYSTEM IS HINDERING ITS POTENTIAL
CORIOLIS MAGNITUDE AND THEREFORE LIMITING ANY POTENTIALLY FAVORABLE
BETA PROPAGATION. IN ADDITION TO THESE LIMITING FACTORS SOME SORT OF
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGHING SEEMS TO BE IN PLACE OVER OR NEAR THE LLCC
WHICH MAY BE HINDERING THE OUTFLOW. HOWEVER, POSSIBLE DIVERGENCE
FROM THIS UPPER-LEVEL TROUGHING MAY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LARGE
CONVECTIVE BAND DEVELOPING OVER THE WESTERN SEMI-CIRCLE, AS
CURRENTLY SEEN IN ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER
THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE DEEP-LAYERED STR POSITIONED TO THE
NORTH.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. TS 26W IS FORECAST TO TRACK IN AN INCREASINGLY NORTHWESTWARD
MOTION THROUGH THE FORECAST PERIOD AS IT STEERS ALONG THE
SOUTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE EASTERN STR. AS THE SYSTEM FINALLY
BEGINS TO GAIN LATITUDE, CONTINUED FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS SHOULD ALLOW FOR STEADY INTENSIFICATION. DYNAMIC MODEL
GUIDANCE IS BASICALLY SPLIT INTO TWO MAIN GROUPINGS WITH THE WBAR,
NOGAPS, AND GFDN DEPICTING A MORE WESTWARD TRACK AND THE JGSM,
ECMWF, AND GFS INDICATING A NORTHWESTWARD TRAJECTORY. THE OFFICIAL
JTWC TRACK FORECAST FAVORS THE LATER NORTHWESTWARD SOLUTION BASED ON
PREVIOUS MODEL PERFORMANCE AND EXPECTED DEVELOPMENT OF A WEAKNESS IN
THE STR. THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THIS PORTION OF THE TRACK
FORECAST.
C. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, TS 26W IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE ON A
NORTHWESTWARD TRACK TOWARD A WEAKNESS IN THE STR BROUGHT ON BY A
DEEP, YET BROAD, UPPER-LEVEL TROUGHING PATTERN OVER THE EAST CHINA
SEA. LIGHT VWS, INCREASED OUTFLOW, AND FAVORABLE SST WILL ALLOW TS
26W TO CONTINUE INTENSIFYING WITH A FORECAST PEAK OF 105 KNOTS BY
TAU 96. AFTER THIS TIME ALL INTENSITY GUIDANCE INDICATES A WEAKENING
TREND AND THEREFORE IS REFLECTED IN THE TAU 120 FORECAST INTENSITY
OF 100 KNOTS. TRACK FORECAST CONFIDENCE DEGRADES TO LOW DURING THIS
TIME DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE DEPTH AND POSITION OF THE UPPER-
LEVEL TROUGHING AND ORIENTATION OF THE STR AT THIS TIME. MODEL
SPREAD IS APPROXIMATELY 400NM AT TAU 120 WITH GFDN REMAINING THE
FASTER TRACKER LOCATED OVER THE SULU SEA WHERE THE SLOWER EGRR
TRACKER RESIDES OFF THE COAST OF THE EASTERN CENTRAL PHILIPPINES.//
NNNN
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Well, I am going to make the great intellectual leap that I have someone's ignore list. This amuses much more than it should :)
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Quoting Neapolitan:
"Wacko" website? You mean that one run by Dr. Joe Romm, who holds a Ph.D. in Physics from MIT? Who taught at Columbia University? Who held various Secretary-level positions at the U.S. Department of Energy? Who is widely regarded as an expert on climate change and energy efficiency? Who's authored several highly-regarded books on climate? Who's been brought before Congress numerous times to tesify as an expert witness? That "wacko" website?

Nah, to me a "wacko" website would be one run by a non-degreed guy whose singular meteorological cred was "earned" working as a weather reader for a medium-market broadcast station, yet who nonetheless fancies himself some sort of expert on climate science despite being debunked and discredit by virtually every credible scientist alive. Now that's a "wacko" website...
Well since I don't use any bias websites for info because of the spin they put on it. Your point is moot sir.

BTW being smart doesn't mean your not a wacko
Example Ted Kasinsky
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Good afternoon. Looks like Bopha is trying to organize, but it's having a tough time:




I don't understand why it's taking so long to intensify, to be honest. It is in a low wind shear environment with an abundance of upper-level divergence and lower-level convergence and dry air isn't being sucked into the circulation according to the precipitable water loops.
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Quoting ScottLincoln:

He does. He is well-regarded in climate science.
I'm talking about the study he claims is wrong, which was peer reviewed.
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Quoting nymore:
Trenberth should put together his own research and submit it for review.

Instead of spewing out stuff on a wacko website.
"Wacko" website? You mean that one run by Dr. Joe Romm, who holds a Ph.D. in Physics from MIT? Who taught at Columbia University? Who held various Secretary-level positions at the U.S. Department of Energy? Who is widely regarded as an expert on climate change and energy efficiency? Who's authored several highly-regarded books on climate? Who's been brought before Congress numerous times to tesify as an expert witness? That "wacko" website?

Nah, to me a "wacko" website would be one run by a non-degreed guy whose singular meteorological cred was "earned" working as a weather reader for a medium-market broadcast station, yet who nonetheless fancies himself some sort of expert on climate science despite being debunked and discredit by virtually every credible scientist alive. Now that's a "wacko" website...
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Quoting Xandra:

From Met Office News Blog:

Responding to more ‘winter weather’ headlines

We wrote only last week that it seems that it is the time of year again for colourful headlines about an impending big freeze.


here's that irish postman weather guy calling for heavy snows before xmas.
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Quoting nymore:
Trenberth should put together his own research and submit it for review.

Instead of spewing out stuff on a wacko website.

He does. He is well-regarded in climate science.
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Good afternoon. Looks like Bopha is trying to organize, but it's having a tough time:





It has to climb in latitude to get away from the equator and have a better enviroment to intensify.
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Quoting JustPlantIt:

IS this for real here? Locally 15" of rain?....... 3-5' of snow? OK, I am buying the furniture that I don't have to pay for till 2014. Want another woodstove too! The apocolyspe, I'll be sitting pretty, forget the huge flatscreen tv... won't work! Love you!


yes... and i might have been a little conservative.. The 5' go for Idaho mostly...look for 3-4' in the Sierra Nevada
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Quoting JustPlantIt:
Off the subject... BUT your government was 'supposed' to inspect pharmacies! Guess what, NOT! Do you really think that they care about people? i really doubt that they inspect landfills too!!!!!!!!!!! 


Prolly before your time, but Grother, that Caicos Pirate guy, and I remember this stuff live..

can't seem to get this to post up to play here, so I had to link it DDT is Harmless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP3ZLNSJu5g&featur e=colike


493. JustPlantIt

It is all about 'clean' water.




"I" am all about clean water. :)

Indian Riverkeeper



DEMAND CLEAN WATER




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About the storm
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A huge 964 mb low




click pic for bigger size
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Quoting ScottLincoln:


Maybe not...

Climate Change Is Already Worsening Droughts In Many Ways: Nature Gets It Wrong–And Right
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/11/20/11942 01/climate-change-droughts-nature/

Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

The conclusions of the paper are likely wrong. The paper re-examines the Palmer Drought Severity Index (PDSI) in different formulations and how it changes over time. However, this has been done before in references embedded in the paper...

...Another key point is that while our previous results with PDSI have been compared with other related but independent records, such as soil moisture, streamflow, and GRACE satellite data, Sheffield et al. made only a detailed comparison of various forcing data for the PDSI calculations.
Trenberth should put together his own research and submit it for review.

Instead of spewing out stuff on a wacko website.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
WINTER ALERT
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Major California storm.... a 964 mb in the Gulf of Alaska

click image for bigger view...many changes done

IS this for real here? Locally 15" of rain?....... 3-5' of snow? OK, I am buying the furniture that I don't have to pay for till 2014. Want another woodstove too! The apocolyspe, I'll be sitting pretty, forget the huge flatscreen tv... won't work! Love you!
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Quoting TomballTXPride:


Ahhh. So are you saying anyone that isn't a climatologist has no merit when weighing in on climate science? Hope Jeff Master's isn't reading the comments right now....
Im a physician. Non physicians try to tell me my job all the time.
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Good afternoon. Looks like Bopha is trying to organize, but it's having a tough time:



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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
WINTER ALERT
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Major California storm.... a 964 mb in the Gulf of Alaska

click image for bigger view...many changes done



Thanks for this. I linked it on a Facebook page for my California friends.
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Quoting nymore:
The no increase in droughts seems to be right the study in the journal Nature indicates there has been little change in drought in the last 60 years. The study was published Nov. 14
Quoting nymore:
Neo you may want to change your post number 444. It seems that hack writer for a hack fish wrap got his info from Nature. According to the study new measurements show very little change in droughts. So either you are wrong in the info you posted or Nature is.

Hmmmmmmm I wonder who is wrong?


Maybe not...
(And for the record, it is not exactly "new measurements" as it is incorporating different measurements into a different drought index)

Climate Change Is Already Worsening Droughts In Many Ways: Nature Gets It Wrong%u2013And Right
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/11/20/11942 01/climate-change-droughts-nature/

Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

The conclusions of the paper are likely wrong. The paper re-examines the Palmer Drought Severity Index (PDSI) in different formulations and how it changes over time. However, this has been done before in references embedded in the paper...

...Another key point is that while our previous results with PDSI have been compared with other related but independent records, such as soil moisture, streamflow, and GRACE satellite data, Sheffield et al. made only a detailed comparison of various forcing data for the PDSI calculations.


In summary, numerous papers exist already that have both showed possible increases in drought through drought indeces as well as increases in drought according to streamflow, precipitation, and soil moisture. Typically when new research is published that counters other established science, there is a discussion on discrepencies. The new Natural paper did not address why it was different.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
I disagree, my child; I think that's precisely what Cat5 said.

Anyway, on to things far more important and interesting and on-topic than trollish banter. The CPC's 6-10 day temperature probability outlook shows things hanging in there warmth-wise. It's interesting to note that this week is the 40th of the year to see more U.S. record highs (62,327 to-date) than record lows (15,413). (Only eight weeks this year have seen more record lows than record highs.)

CPC


I was referring to what TomballTXPride said. Who, or what, is Cat5?
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WINTER ALERT
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Major California storm.... a 964 mb in the Gulf of Alaska

click image for bigger view...many changes done

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Just a few more of these left to do in the regular season, tomorrow is the last day.

Now it is pretty much time to go to the orthodontist, grrrrrrrr.
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Hi everyone...Im updating the Cal storm map...

I thought I was going to use a new style for upcoming damaging nor'easter but this storm deserves it...
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Good afternoon everyone, I see the GFS still develops Valerie. I am still uneasy about development until it happens. I also see there is a new real-time update thing on WU. Now I won't have to refresh every 30 seconds waiting for a new comment...
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495. etxwx
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

There isn't one. Why would you want to disable it anyways?


Because some of us don't have much bandwidth or speed on our internet. Seriously...I'm like tin can and string here... barely above dial up. Plus it's annoying to have to pause it again when you refresh the page. And we old folks get all crotchety about this new fangled stuff... :-p
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From the National Hurricane Center:

Busy 2012 hurricane season continues decades-long high activity era in the Atlantic
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Quoting JustPlantIt:

Off the subject... BUT your government was 'supposed' to inspect pharmacies! Guess what, NOT! Do you really think that they care about people? i really doubt that they inspect landfills too!!!!!!!!!!! 
It is all about 'clean' water.
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
The fear of the new lightbulbs is irrational, I've broken at least 5, (2 deliberately) and didn't go through all the safety precaustions etc...didn't have time.
And by the way I throw them out....in the trash.
Now that part might not be the best idea....

If they were really that dangerous they wouldn't be sold because the companies would have been sued out of business by now or the government wouldn't allow it.

The future is LEDs though.
Off the subject... BUT your government was 'supposed' to inspect pharmacies! Guess what, NOT! Do you really think that they care about people? i really doubt that they inspect landfills too!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Quoting bluheelrtx:
Where is the Disable button?


Sorry. I thought the Pause had fixed it, but it still keeps resetting to "enabled" after refreshing. Maybe they'll add that feature to the Settings menu.
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Quoting Bielle:


And to be fair: no, he (TomballTXPride) isn't saying that either. Sometimes you kids . . .
I disagree, my child; I think that's precisely what Cat5 said.

Anyway, on to things far more important and interesting and on-topic than trollish banter. The CPC's 6-10 day temperature probability outlook shows things hanging in there warmth-wise. It's interesting to note that this week is the 40th of the year to see more U.S. record highs (62,327 to-date) than record lows (15,413). (Only eight weeks this year have seen more record lows than record highs.)

CPC
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Quoting bluheelrtx:
Where is the Disable button?

There isn't one. Why would you want to disable it anyways?
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488. yoboi
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Some are here to Educate...

others are here to Obfusticate.


if the glove does not fit

you must admit
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Some are here to Educate...

others are here to Obfusticate.
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486. yoboi
Quoting Neapolitan:
Ahhh. So are you saying that a third-rate hack writing denialist tripe for a second-rate periodical is comparable in any way at all to a widely-respected, credible, experienced, and highly-educated person like Dr. Masters? Hope anyone with even a modicum of critical thinking ability isn't reading your comments right now....



i think was asking you what your profession is? maybe i read it wrong...idk
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Quoting ChillinInTheKeys:
On my screen there is a Pause button to the right under Community Activity.
Where is the Disable button?
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Flood has been so extreme in some parts of my country that is being compare with the floods Mitch brought 14 years ago.Link
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Neo you may want to change your post number 444. It seems that hack writer for a hack fish wrap got his info from Nature. According to the study new measurements show very little change in droughts. So either you are wrong in the info you posted or Nature is.

Hmmmmmmm I wonder who is wrong?
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Quoting TomballTXPride:


It's alright. That's just his style sometimes when he blogs...


It's your style, too.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

If you're going to quote Levi, don't do it over a day later. Things have changed.


Yes I've noticed but I'm still not sold on it...but it looks more certain now.

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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
The fear of the new lightbulbs is irrational, I've broken at least 5, (2 deliberately) and didn't go through all the safety precaustions etc...didn't have time.
And by the way I throw them out....in the trash.
Now that part might not be the best idea....

If they were really that dangerous they wouldn't be sold because the companies would have been sued out of business by now or the government wouldn't allow it.

The future is LEDs though.
Not irrational... takes our government at least 10 years. Ha---- believe all your goverment has to say. Foolish to think that!
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Ahhh. So are you saying that a third-rate hack writing denialist tripe for a second-rate periodical is comparable in any way at all to a widely-respected, credible, experienced, and highly-educated person like Dr. Masters? Hope anyone with even a modicum of critical thinking ability isn't reading your comments right now....


And to be fair: no, he (TomballTXPride) isn't saying that either. Sometimes you kids . . .
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Quoting TomballTXPride:


Ahhh. So are you saying anyone that isn't a climatologist has no merit when weighing in on climate science? Hope Jeff Master's isn't reading the comments right now....
Ahhh. So are you saying that a third-rate hack writing denialist tripe for a second-rate periodical is comparable in any way at all to a widely-respected, credible, experienced, and highly-educated person like Dr. Masters? Hope anyone with even a modicum of critical thinking ability isn't reading your comments right now....
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