A tranquil and record-warm Thanksgiving for much of the U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:35 PM GMT on November 23, 2012

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Celebrations of the Thanksgiving holiday in the United States in 2012 were aided by some of the most tranquil travel weather ever seen on what is America's busiest travel week. Unusually warm and precipitation-free conditions prevailed over almost the entire nation on Wednesday and Thursday, with many locations in the Midwest reporting their warmest Thanksgiving Day on record. At least three cities set records for their warmest temperature ever recorded so late in the year: Valentine, Nebraska (76° on Wednesday); Rochester, Minnesota (70° on Wednesday); and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan (65° on Thursday.) While the quiet weather was a boon for travelers, the lack of rain in the Midwest allowed the nation's worst drought since 1954 to expand; the U.S. Drought Monitor reported that the area of the contiguous U.S. covered by moderate or greater drought expanded by 1% to 60% this week. This reversed a seven-week trend of slowly decreasing drought that began on September 25 and extended until November 13, when the area covered by drought declined from 65% to 59%. The latest ten-day forecasts from the GFS and ECMWF models show much below average chances of precipitation across more 90% of the U.S., including the drought regions. These dry conditions will allow the drought to expand over the next two weeks, and potentially cover 65% of the contiguous U.S. again by mid-December. The next chance for significant rains in excess of one inch in the Midwest will not occur until December 2, at the earliest. The lack of rain will potentially cause serious trouble for barge traffic on the Mississippi River by December 10, when the river may fall below the level of -5 feet at St. Louis needed to allow barges to not scrape bottom.


Figure 1. This week's U.S. Drought Monitor shows 60% of the contiguous U.S. was in moderate or greater drought.


Figure 2. Predicted 8-day precipitation amounts from the 06Z (1 am EST) November 23, 2012 run of the GFS model. For the 8-day period ending on Saturday, December 1, only the Northwest Coast, Central Gulf Coast, and portions of the Tennessee Valley are predicted to receive rains in excess of one inch. Image credit: NOAA.

Quiet in the Atlantic
There are no threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, and none of the reliable models is forecasting tropical cyclone development between now and the Friday, November 30 official end of hurricane season. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of one more named storm forming in December in the middle Atlantic between Bermuda and Puerto Rico, but late-season storms forming in that location rarely affect land.

Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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719. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #1
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 27
3:00 AM JST November 26 2012
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SUBJECT: Tropical Depression Near Marshall Islands

At 18:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression (1004 hPa) located at 3.4N 156.9E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The depression is reported as moving west northwest slowly.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.0

Forecast and Intensity
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24 HRS: 3.6N 155.1E - 35 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm) Marshall Island
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718. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Mauritius Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #9
DEPRESSION TROPICALE, FORMER BOLDWIN (03-20122013)
22:30 PM RET November 25 2012
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At 18:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression, Former Boldwin (999 hPa) located at 15.7S 72.9E has 10 minute sustained winds of 35 knots with gusts of 50 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving southwest at 8 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.0/2.5/S0.0/6 HRS

Gale Force Winds
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40-60 NM radius from the center in the southern semi-circle

Near Gale Force Winds
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20 NM radius from the center in the northwestern quadrant, extending up to 960 NM in the northeastern quadrant and up to 80-100 NM in the southern semi-circle

Forecast and Intensity
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24 HRS: 16.5S 69.6E - Depression Se Comblant
48 HRS: 18.9S 67.1E - Depression Se Comblant

Additional Information
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According to recent microwave imagery, low level circulation center, always quite difficult to locate, seems to be located now west northwest out of the convection.

In the south of the upper level ridge axis, northwesterly vertical wind shear keeps on increasing near the center of Boldwin.

The convective activity mainly exists in the southeastern quadrant. Wind shear is expected to keeps on increasing as the system will undergo the influence of an approaching upper level trough. System is therefore expected to keeps on weakening rapidly within the next 24 hours as it tracks west southwestwards under the steering influence of the subtropical high pressures.

Beyond system should track towards a polar trough transiting in its south, and turn southwards and merge with this trough on Wednesday.
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Quoting yoboi:



tell that to the gm sharholders whose stock is still at half what it use to be


It would have been zero in a bankruptcy. Shareholder value is a corporate problem, not a government one.
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Quoting Bielle:


This appears to be the same link. It takes me here for some reason: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/error.asp?dec=404 This is a "cannot find" error code on the Barnes and Noble site:

AdBloc changes bp. to bn. Anyone know why?


You might want to check your AdBlock prefs settings, and turn off auto-correct if it is enabled. I tried out this new feature a bit shortly after it was released. Didn't do a very good job for me. Tried to "correct" some of the URLs I had stored as bookmarks! Don't think it's quite ready for prime time, but YMMV.
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As always this is pointless.

Your "world view" just doesn't work for me.


Have a nice eve. I'm done with this for now.
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Quoting yoboi:



tell that to the gm sharholders whose stock is still at half what it use to be
lol
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713. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


If not for an economic system based on personal profits and personal power of a few individuals, the government would be far more efficient.


Why are we borrowing from the "evil" communists if American capitalism is supposedly so superior?

How do the Russians, 1/3rd our population, have so much money that they can loan U.S. trillions? Or how to do the Chinese, about a few % as modernized as the U.S., also have so much money they can afford to loan the U.S. trillions?

So you see a problem?

While they are by no means the poster child for morality, and I'd never suggest a government that treats human beings the way those nations have historically, the fact remains that they must be doing quite a LOT of things in a much more practical and efficient manner than what is done in the United States.

Why is Germany now an EXPORTER of energy, even as they de-commission their nuclear power programs and convert to more and more wind and solar?! Even while people like yourself like to trumpet on the internet that wind and solar are impossible, etc!


"Government" even "Big Government" is absolutely NOT the problem in the U.S.

The problem is corruption and selfishness; the very goals of capitalism and monopoly.


Gunpoint has nothing to do with it.

Your descendants will BEG someone to build a rational, long-term renewable infrastructure.

Do you want that "someone" to be Exxon or Shell or BP, maybe? Or maybe you want it to be a Chinese or a Muslim owned oil company who can enslave your descendants to radical Islam or radical communism?

What I'm talking about isn't "communism," but just common sense. Like I said, it's going to be a required step in a few generations anyway, either because AGW will make things so bad there won't be a choice, or because the energy runs out, and there won't be a choice, which ever comes first. Take your pick.



By the way, government actually gets a bad rap many times. Let's take the temporary buy-out of automotive assets. The U.S. government actually managed to both save the industry AND made a net profit while doing so. Just goes to show your "government can't do anything efficiently" comment is uninformed.



tell that to the gm sharholders whose stock is still at half what it use to be
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News...

Now TWC leans for a more NYC snowstorm
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Gunpoint has nothing to do with it.


What do you think backs up "laws"?


Your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things is your problem.

Your unwillingness to to see that the kind of power you would give to a select few would one day be turned on you.



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Quoting PensacolaDoug:


I agree. Since when has the governmnet ever run anything efficiently?


If not for an economic system based on personal profits and personal power of a few individuals, the government would be far more efficient.


Why are we borrowing from the "evil" communists if American capitalism is supposedly so superior?

How do the Russians, 1/3rd our population, have so much money that they can loan U.S. trillions? Or how to do the Chinese, about a few % as modernized as the U.S., also have so much money they can afford to loan the U.S. trillions?

So you see a problem?

While they are by no means the poster child for morality, and I'd never suggest a government that treats human beings the way those nations have historically, the fact remains that they must be doing quite a LOT of things in a much more practical and efficient manner than what is done in the United States.

Why is Germany now an EXPORTER of energy, even as they de-commission their nuclear power programs and convert to more and more wind and solar?! Even while people like yourself like to trumpet on the internet that wind and solar are impossible, etc!


"Government" even "Big Government" is absolutely NOT the problem in the U.S.

The problem is corruption and selfishness; the very goals of capitalism and monopoly.


Gunpoint has nothing to do with it.

Your descendants will BEG someone to build a rational, long-term renewable infrastructure.

Do you want that "someone" to be Exxon or Shell or BP, maybe? Or maybe you want it to be a Chinese or a Muslim owned oil company who can enslave your descendants to radical Islam or radical communism?

What I'm talking about isn't "communism," but just common sense. Like I said, it's going to be a required step in a few generations anyway, either because AGW will make things so bad there won't be a choice, or because the energy runs out, and there won't be a choice, which ever comes first. Take your pick.



By the way, government actually gets a bad rap many times. Let's take the temporary buy-out of automotive assets. The U.S. government actually managed to both save the industry AND made a net profit while doing so. Just goes to show your "government can't do anything efficiently" comment is uninformed.
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Quoting yoboi:



BP Alternative Energy | United States | BP BP Alternative Energy is giving the world a choice of low-carbon power solutions,
making clean energy a reality for more people in more places.
www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=90 30176&contentId=7055742






This appears to be the same link. It takes me here for some reason: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/error.asp?dec=404 This is a "cannot find" error code on the Barnes and Noble site:

AdBloc changes bp. to bn. Anyone know why?
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708. BDAwx
It could be said that all severe weather is hazardous, but not all hazardous weather is severe. There is a distinction in that hazardous weather by itself doesn't do anything, while severe weather by itself can be damaging or life threatening.

Dense fog is hazardous. The fog itself doesn't do any damage, but if you interact with the fog (eg. try to drive a vehicle somewhere) you are risking your life (and your vehicle).

Meanwhile a severe thunderstorm would be both hazardous and severe as strong winds, hail, or tornadoes associated with the thunderstorm could cause damage or become deadly regardless of the degree to which you interact with it.

Basically, if you stay inside a home with some form of air conditioning, hazardous weather will not affect you directly, whereas severe weather will affect you directly.

Advisories/watches/warnings are issued for both hazardous and severe weather so I'm not sure why there is an issue.
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
PlazaRed.I'm just up the road from Gro. This IS a serious situation here in south Florida...The "GILL" statement made me bite my tongue

I used the term "Gills," especially referring to Grothers timeless age and his statements on this blog of being surprised by the reemergence of the Greek gadget he was wondering about some time ago.
My interest from a long distance away, is mainly centers on the amount of land the US seems to be loosing! A lot of coastal shots show man made structures which were on land and are now in the sea or partially gone into sea ravaged ruins.
When this land is gone, its not going to come back, its a one way trip. If land is not sinking into the sea then the sea is eating it away.
Now just supposing that the global warming thing gets out of hand a bit more, the seas will continue to rise and the storms some say, will strengthen.
Given that Florida's coast appears to have very little high ground the, the land area of the state is more than likely to become significantly reduced in the near future.
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Quoting Bielle:


I can't access your link; my Adbloc says it is a malicious site. I suspect there is just a typo somewhere. What you say above, however laudatory, relates in no way I can see to the article about the lack of abundance of fossil fuel, the one you claim is false.



BP Alternative Energy | United States | BP BP Alternative Energy is giving the world a choice of low-carbon power solutions,
making clean energy a reality for more people in more places.
www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=90 30176&contentId=7055742




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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Wow RT! Don't hold back! Big government imposing its will by law ( gunpoint ) is the solution to all of our problems! What would be the unintended results of all that power in hands of so few?


Gunpoint has nothing to do with it.

Your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things is your problem.

These measures will become necessary at some point within the next generation or two, no matter what else happens.

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Quoting yoboi:



ya have to much faith in gov to solve things...


I agree. Since when has the governmnet ever run anything efficiently?
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703. yoboi
Quoting Bielle:


I can't access your link; my Adbloc says it is a malicious site. I suspect there is just a typo somewhere. What you say above, however laudatory, relates in no way I can see to the article about the lack of abundance of fossil fuel, the one you claim is false.



let me find another link..
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702. VR46L
Quoting Grothar:
Were are having a severe outbreak of sunshine today. Not a cloud in the sky.


That comment brought a big smile to my face. It was a gentle funny comment , which I really appreciated!!! Thank you Gro
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701. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


No. You obviously didn't read. This could be done quite easily while decreasing the deficit.

I could actually have the U.S. government deficit reduced to zero with much lower taxes, and erase the entire U.S. debt within a few decades, with no form of fraud involved, if they did what I REALLY would like to see done. The Republicans wouldn't go for that either, because they wouldn't be able to control everyone's minds any more, nor pad their own pockets enough.

How is that possible?

Well, government traditionally makes infrastructure: roads, bridges, water systems, etc; always has for thousands of years going back at least to the Romans and quite a bit farther in many cases.

Isn't it obvious that the government ought to buy out energy companies, and replace over time all things with long term planning of wind, solar, and hydro power? The U.S. can easily produce enough power from wind, solar and hydro alone to not only support it's own needs, but to have surplus to sell to Canada and Mexico in the process. We would become an exporter of "Energy" without actually exporting the material resources, since solar power is the source of all 3 of those renewables, and it is for human purposes an un-exaustable supply.



If not this generation, then who?

Kick the can down the road to another generation? What, while "we" pollute the world with more CO2 till we double the natural concentration and poison the oceans in the process?

then what? Tell your children or grandchildren, "Here you go, it's your problem now, we made the mess. We burned up all the dense 'emergency/special use' enegy reserves and destroyed the world in the process, but now you're stuck with it. LOL @ U. Have fun!"


Seriously, somebody is going to have to deal with these issues eventually in the next 1 to 3 generations, and if we don't now then it will just be that much harder when the world population reaches 9 or 10 billion in 2 to 3 more decades.

You just think we have pollution problems now. Wait till they have to cut down what's remaining of the rain forests to make more farms and ranches*, and every extra billion people makes an extra one tenth of one part per million CO2 per year just by breathing! That's right!


* While the farming thing could be solved by more greenhouses and vertical farming, the poorest third or so of the world population won't be able to afford the prices, so those trees likely get cut down either way.



ya have to much faith in gov to solve things...
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Quoting yoboi:



Investing in clean energies | BP Investing in clean energies. Our emerging business and ventures team backs
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big oil is doing there part how about you???


I can't access your link; my Adbloc says it is a malicious site. I suspect there is just a typo somewhere. What you say above, however laudatory, relates in no way I can see to the article about the lack of abundance of fossil fuel, the one you claim is false.
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Quoting galvestonhurricane:


I am doing a research paper for school (I'm a senior in HS) on climate change with the thesis that climate change is not caused by man or CO2. I have to write 100 pages and give a 2 hour presentation in May. :o


You should point out that the alarmist should be talking in probabilities instead of certainties and that modeling cannot acount for all of the earth's climate and is based on assumptions that must be reexamined and acknowledged as imperfect. Hell, just say your data sets can beat up their data sets.

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Quoting yoboi:



wow and ya want to add to the 16 trillion in debt...amazing


No. You obviously didn't read. This could be done quite easily while decreasing the deficit.

I could actually have the U.S. government deficit reduced to zero with much lower taxes, and erase the entire U.S. debt within a few decades, with no form of fraud involved, if they did what I REALLY would like to see done. The Republicans wouldn't go for that either, because they wouldn't be able to control everyone's minds any more, nor pad their own pockets enough.

How is that possible?

Well, government traditionally makes infrastructure: roads, bridges, water systems, etc; always has for thousands of years going back at least to the Romans and quite a bit farther in many cases.

Isn't it obvious that the government ought to buy out energy companies, and replace over time all things with long term planning of wind, solar, and hydro power? The U.S. can easily produce enough power from wind, solar and hydro alone to not only support it's own needs, but to have surplus to sell to Canada and Mexico in the process. We would become an exporter of "Energy" without actually exporting the material resources, since solar power is the source of all 3 of those renewables, and it is for human purposes an un-exaustable supply.



If not this generation, then who?

Kick the can down the road to another generation? What, while "we" pollute the world with more CO2 till we double the natural concentration and poison the oceans in the process?

then what? Tell your children or grandchildren, "Here you go, it's your problem now, we made the mess. We burned up all the dense 'emergency/special use' enegy reserves and destroyed the world in the process, but now you're stuck with it. LOL @ U. Have fun!"


Seriously, somebody is going to have to deal with these issues eventually in the next 1 to 3 generations, and if we don't now then it will just be that much harder when the world population reaches 9 or 10 billion in 2 to 3 more decades.

You just think we have pollution problems now. Wait till they have to cut down what's remaining of the rain forests to make more farms and ranches*, and every extra billion people makes an extra one tenth of one part per million CO2 per year just by breathing! That's right!


* While the farming thing could be solved by more greenhouses and vertical farming, the poorest third or so of the world population won't be able to afford the prices, so those trees likely get cut down either way.
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Quoting PlazaRed:

Mr. Grother,
We are sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the update.
Have you reverted to using"gills," yet?
Did the rest of the road wash away?
What is going to happen to the through traffic if the Rest of the road washes away?
As you were only partially hit,( caressed,) by Sandy, has anybody seriously thought about what's going to happen next time one of those storms gets a bit closer?
As the woman in the video said. "We have to think about what we have got,while we still have got it!"
PlazaRed.I'm just up the road from Gro. This IS a serious situation here in south Florida...The "GILL" statement made me bite my tongue
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


... Now, I have a question: how does the Mississippi fall below 0.0 ft at St. Louis--what baseline is it measured from?


Excerpt from an article in The Columbia Daily Tribune, Columbia, MO:

Eyes on river level as corps cuts flow
Barge traffic threatened on dwindling Mississippi.
Saturday, November 24, 2012

"The Mississippi is nearing historic lows between St. Louis and Cairo, Ill. Barges already are required to carry lighter loads, and the middle of the river could be closed to barge traffic if the water level at St. Louis dips below minus 5 feet. It was at minus 0.45 feet yesterday.

"A zero river reading at St. Louis was established more than a century ago. It's the point at which people at that time thought the river would never drop below.

"The National Weather Service forecast for river levels extends only as far as Dec. 6. It calls for the Mississippi River to get to minus 3.7 feet at St. Louis by then. Businesses that ship on the river and their trade groups expect to get to minus 5 feet by around Dec. 10."

Read more.
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Quoting galvestonhurricane:


I am doing a research paper for school (I'm a senior in HS) on climate change with the thesis that climate change is not caused by man or CO2. I have to write 100 pages and give a 2 hour presentation in May. :o


hahaha, and in college we had to do our final on proving that the tectonic plates theory was false.

fortunately the old guard passes away...
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Quoting Grothar:
The flooding down the street from us is very bad. The seawall is gone and it is getting worse in Fort Lauderdale.

Link

Mr. Grother,
We are sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the update.
Have you reverted to using"gills," yet?
Did the rest of the road wash away?
What is going to happen to the through traffic if the Rest of the road washes away?
As you were only partially hit,( caressed,) by Sandy, has anybody seriously thought about what's going to happen next time one of those storms gets a bit closer?
As the woman in the video said. "We have to think about what we have got,while we still have got it!"
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Wow RT! Don't hold back! Big government imposing its will by law ( gunpoint ) is the solution to all of our problems! What would be the unintended results of all that power in hands of so few?
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691. yoboi
Quoting Bielle:


Evidence?
Quoting Bielle:


Evidence?



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big oil is doing there part how about you???
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Does anyone know if the NWS in Buffalo stopped naming Lake Effect storms? I can only find their '98-99 to '10-11 seasons

Edit: I found it through 2011-2012.
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JMA upgrades 91W to TD:

TD
Issued at 19:20 UTC, 25 November 2012

Scale -
Intensity -
TD
Center position N3%uFFFD25'(3.4%uFFFD)
E156%uFFFD55'(156.9%uFFFD)
Direction and speed of movement WNW Slowly
Central pressure 1004hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 15m/s(30kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 23m/s(45kt)


Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N3%uFFFD35'(3.6%uFFFD)
E155%uFFFD05'(155.1%uFFFD)
Direction and speed of movement W Slowly
Central pressure 1000hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 18m/s(35kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25m/s(50kt)
Radius of probability circle 220km(120NM)


Link
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Shale Gas Supply—Shale gas is a relatively new and important contribution to the North American supply. However, its availability does not represent anywhere near the magnitude that is commonly discussed and cited in the press, Berman said. He is familiar with the estimates that the United States has 100 years’ worth of secure gas production. But people misunderstand the difference between a “resource” and “reserve,” he said. Resource is what actually exists. Reserve is what can actually be commercially extracted. “A resource is everything that is in the ground without consideration of economic value,” he said. “People look at shale gas resources and say they are immense. However, the next question is, of that total volume of resource, how much can you make money on? And the answer is a much smaller percentage.”

In other words, by focusing on shale gas resources, people assume that reserves are much higher than they actually are. Reserves have been substantially overstated, he said.

Berman’s math: If you divide the “technically recoverable resource” of about 1,900 Tcf (trillion cubic feet) of gas, as identified by the Potential Gas Committee’s (PGC’s) report by annual U.S. consumption, you come up with 90 years. However, the PGC’s report also says the “probable recoverable resource” is only about 550 Tcf—approximately one fourth of the “technically recoverable resource.”

Furthermore, if you divide the 550 Tcf “probable recoverable resource” by three, which represents the component of the resource that is actually provided by shale gas, you get about 180 Tcf. (The remaining 370 Tcf includes conventional reservoirs plus non-shale/non-coalbed-methane unconventional reservoirs.)

The result: There is about eight years’ worth of shale gas supply available in the United States, he said.



http://www.publicpower.org/newsletters/ppmagazine detail.cfm?ItemNumber=36181&sn.ItemNumber=0
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Quoting yoboi:



wow and ya want to add to the 16 trillion in debt...amazing


It is self-funding as presented. (Whether that is realistic or not is a separate matter, but show us the quote that specifically calls for an increase in debt.)
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:





Just how do you make this work?



It's actually quite easy theoretically, conceptually, and even "financially" (in real world economics if Wall Street and fraudulent corporate paper economics didn't control everything).

The biggest hindrances are:

Wall Street/Corporate greed and lobbyists.
Other forms of corruption.
Ignorant general public.
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685. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


You could start with:

1, mandatory total compensation cap of not more than 1 dollar less than the U.S. president. It seems reasonable enough. The purpose of this is to decentralize the power of corporate executives who make 10 times more income than they did a generation ago.

Most people in the top 1% of income could suffer a 10 times reduction in their annual income and would STILL be in the top 1%, and would still be 10 to 100 times wealthier than the average person. This is an IMMORAL and fraudulent system. This group includes many athletes and entertainers, but also many corporate founders and CEOs. They are currently rewarded by our obscene system at a rate of 10 to 100 times the historical norm for the "wealthy" people.

2, revise tax code so that every branch of any company on U.S. soil pays taxes to the U.S. and the relevant states, even if their corporate headquarters is over seas. As things stand, corporations are moving their "official" headquarters to Switzerland and paying no U.S. taxes even though 90% of their revenue comes from operations in the U.S. To me, this is treason and should allow the U.S. to forfeit their U.S. issued patents and re-issue them to loyal competitors.

Amazon should pay the same tax rate as all other retail and re-sale companies.

The two expatriated Facebook founders should have their assets frozen until they pay the back taxes on what they earned while U.S. citizens, because the technology and code for Facebook was developed using U.S. funds on U.S. and university property (paid by U.S. students and other citizens,) but then when they make it big, they take all their proceeds and expatriate. Again, treason.

While no one of these groups would make or break the bank, these obscenities add up to hundreds of billions of dollars per year, which is no small sum of money.

3, spend the tax revenues from 1 and 2 above on improving transportation and energy infrastructure and subsidizing development and installation of solar and wind energy technologies. This comes to about 2400 to 3000 dollars per household initially, and possibly about half that every year thereafter, which would pay for everyone's residential solar installation within a few years.


Conservatives can hate on "big government" all they like, but if we are ever going to move to some system that is practical over generational time scales it will require an economic model far different than what the majority of Republicans imagine (they only care about themselves, not what's good for the lower 80% nor the planet itself, nor even future generations). John Beyner can cry in public all he likes, but the Republican ideology absolutely will not work in a Type 1 civilization or anything remotely approaching that.

We need the audacity and the government oversight to plan and build projects that may take decades or even a generation to complete, and which are based on REAL WORLD economics, not Wall Street or corporate paper fraud economics.



wow and ya want to add to the 16 trillion in debt...amazing
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Quoting galvestonhurricane:


I am doing a research paper for school (I'm a senior in HS) on climate change with the thesis that climate change is not caused by man or CO2. I have to write 100 pages and give a 2 hour presentation in May. :o


Is this an Eng Lit, Sci-Fi course? (At first I thought that 2 hours was along time to talk about something that isn't true, but then I remembered that many politicians -among other professions which I am not going to list - do it as a matter of course.)
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Quoting AussieStorm:
Look what's on CNN.....

NASA predicts total blackout on 23-25 Dec 2012 during alignment of Universe.

US scientists predict Universe change, total blackout of planet for 3 days from Dec 23 2012.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-al ignment.html

It is not the end of the world, it is an alignment of the Universe, where the Sun and the earth will align for the first time.
The Mayans didn't believe it was the end of the world per se, but a shift in the order of things as men relate to one another and their environment.

Their civilization was around long enough to notice macro changes in these relationships, and which they found curiously dependent upon the time cycles in the heavens that they carefully observed.

The farmer looking to the sky to know when to plant, as opposed to using temperature alone, is a simple example.

This view is shared by Western Civilization, but is spoken of differently. For example, the Biblical Creation story, explaining why the heavenly bodies were created.

"Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years."

One of these big macro changes in the Judeo-Christian teaching has to do with what is known of as "the times of the Gentiles."

It speaks to a decline in every government and power on earth, except Israel, by natural forces, including the weather.

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:





Just how do you make this work?


First, you acknowledge that you have a problem . . . :)
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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2012

How the myth of fossil fuel abundance actually impedes progress on climate change

The great fear among those working to address climate change is that the seemingly vast resources of fossil fuels waiting to be burned will send the world hurtling toward certain catastrophe. By invoking fossil fuel abundance, climate activists believe that their argument for a rapid transition to alternative energy is made more persuasive. But, it is poor strategy to reinforce the myth of fossil fuel abundance when doing so actually makes many people less open to such an argument. And, as it turns out, the abundance argument is also contrary to the available data, logic and prudent risk management principles.

Here is what I mean. First, despite all the hype about marginal gains in U.S. oil production, world oil production has been on a plateau since 2005. Small gains in U.S. production have been offset by declining production in the rest of the world. The news for coal production is only slightly less discouraging as one study suggests that the rate of coal production worldwide could peak as early as 2025. In the United States, while coal tonnage has remained essentially flat from 1998 through 2011, energy content has actually declined. Has the available energy from U.S. coal production already peaked? We can't be sure. But the trend suggests caution....



http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2012/11/how- myth-of-fossil-fuel-abundance.html


Actually, the amount of natural gas in the U.S., and it's energy content, is so high that it could run the nation exclusively for well over 100 years. This does not even count oceanic hydrate deposits nor any potential Arctic claims.

Further, the amount of oil in the U.S., counting all known reserves of each type, could power the nation for another further 120 years or so, or power the entire world for about 30 years, though it would be pretty stupid strategy on the part of the U.S. to sell our oil to other nations.

In fact, if we had rational leadership in the U.S., then we should actually buy out foreign owned portions of BP and other energy companies.

And of course, there's actually even more known coal reserves in the world than anything else.


Only problem is that if you burn so much carbon-based fuel then the amount of CO2 and water vapor pollution will be unimaginably high, we could be talking about several parts per thousand, or even a full percent CO2 in the atmosphere by the time the KNOWN fossil fuels are burned up.

Now the energy companies who control all of this aren't particularly concerned about the environment or human health, just profits, so they will be more than happy to keep selling it, right up till the last molecule runs out, even if it kills half of all humanity.
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The 12z ECMWF is more north with 91W as a Typhoon than in past runs as it gets close to the Phillipines.

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Quoting misanthrope:

Ever hear of the Montreal Protocol?



It can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol
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Quoting galvestonhurricane:


I am doing a research paper for school (I'm a senior in HS) on climate change with the thesis that climate change is not caused by man or CO2. I have to write 100 pages and give a 2 hour presentation in May. :o
Just print out a hundred copies of this, and paste one on every page. Easy A guaranteed!

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;-)
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An update of the British Flooding ,

Floods in UK: More than 800 homes flooded as storms hit BBC News


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Quoting yoboi:



false...


Evidence?
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:

Just how do you make this work?

Ever hear of the Montreal Protocol?

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:



So what's the solution? Assuming GW is A. A one world government imposing it's will at gunpoint? A dictatorship in the USA so we don't keep changing governments every 4 to 8 years? Kinda scary sounding.




You could start with:

1, mandatory total compensation cap of not more than 1 dollar less than the U.S. president. It seems reasonable enough. The purpose of this is to decentralize the power of corporate executives who make 10 times more income than they did a generation ago.

Most people in the top 1% of income could suffer a 10 times reduction in their annual income and would STILL be in the top 1%, and would still be 10 to 100 times wealthier than the average person. This is an IMMORAL and fraudulent system. This group includes many athletes and entertainers, but also many corporate founders and CEOs. They are currently rewarded by our obscene system at a rate of 10 to 100 times the historical norm for the "wealthy" people.

2, revise tax code so that every branch of any company on U.S. soil pays taxes to the U.S. and the relevant states, even if their corporate headquarters is over seas. As things stand, corporations are moving their "official" headquarters to Switzerland and paying no U.S. taxes even though 90% of their revenue comes from operations in the U.S. To me, this is treason and should allow the U.S. to forfeit their U.S. issued patents and re-issue them to loyal competitors.

Amazon should pay the same tax rate as all other retail and re-sale companies.

The two expatriated Facebook founders should have their assets frozen until they pay the back taxes on what they earned while U.S. citizens, because the technology and code for Facebook was developed using U.S. funds on U.S. and university property (paid by U.S. students and other citizens,) but then when they make it big, they take all their proceeds and expatriate. Again, treason.

While no one of these groups would make or break the bank, these obscenities add up to hundreds of billions of dollars per year, which is no small sum of money.

3, spend the tax revenues from 1 and 2 above on improving transportation and energy infrastructure and subsidizing development and installation of solar and wind energy technologies. This comes to about 2400 to 3000 dollars per household initially, and possibly about half that every year thereafter, which would pay for everyone's residential solar installation within a few years.


Conservatives can hate on "big government" all they like, but if we are ever going to move to some system that is practical over generational time scales it will require an economic model far different than what the majority of Republicans imagine (they only care about themselves, not what's good for the lower 80% nor the planet itself, nor even future generations). John Beyner can cry in public all he likes, but the Republican ideology absolutely will not work in a Type 1 civilization or anything remotely approaching that.

We need the audacity and the government oversight to plan and build projects that may take decades or even a generation to complete, and which are based on REAL WORLD economics, not Wall Street or corporate paper fraud economics.
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Quoting DocNDswamp:


LOL hydrus!
Whether there was an impending apocalypse on the way or not, right?
It all works out in the end. I hope I,m smiling when it happens..:)
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Quoting yoboi:



false...


I am doing a research paper for school (I'm a senior in HS) on climate change with the thesis that climate change is not caused by man or CO2. I have to write 100 pages and give a 2 hour presentation in May. :o
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Quoting eyeofbetsy:


I envy their dark skies before light pollution. I have to travel to west Texas to see the Milky Way rise like an approaching storm cloud.
It is amazing what you can see in the middle of the Atlantic on a clear and moonless night. One can see satellites, numerous shooting stars, and other things that we did not know what they were. they were fast movers though.
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