A tranquil and record-warm Thanksgiving for much of the U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:35 PM GMT on November 23, 2012

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Celebrations of the Thanksgiving holiday in the United States in 2012 were aided by some of the most tranquil travel weather ever seen on what is America's busiest travel week. Unusually warm and precipitation-free conditions prevailed over almost the entire nation on Wednesday and Thursday, with many locations in the Midwest reporting their warmest Thanksgiving Day on record. At least three cities set records for their warmest temperature ever recorded so late in the year: Valentine, Nebraska (76° on Wednesday); Rochester, Minnesota (70° on Wednesday); and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan (65° on Thursday.) While the quiet weather was a boon for travelers, the lack of rain in the Midwest allowed the nation's worst drought since 1954 to expand; the U.S. Drought Monitor reported that the area of the contiguous U.S. covered by moderate or greater drought expanded by 1% to 60% this week. This reversed a seven-week trend of slowly decreasing drought that began on September 25 and extended until November 13, when the area covered by drought declined from 65% to 59%. The latest ten-day forecasts from the GFS and ECMWF models show much below average chances of precipitation across more 90% of the U.S., including the drought regions. These dry conditions will allow the drought to expand over the next two weeks, and potentially cover 65% of the contiguous U.S. again by mid-December. The next chance for significant rains in excess of one inch in the Midwest will not occur until December 2, at the earliest. The lack of rain will potentially cause serious trouble for barge traffic on the Mississippi River by December 10, when the river may fall below the level of -5 feet at St. Louis needed to allow barges to not scrape bottom.


Figure 1. This week's U.S. Drought Monitor shows 60% of the contiguous U.S. was in moderate or greater drought.


Figure 2. Predicted 8-day precipitation amounts from the 06Z (1 am EST) November 23, 2012 run of the GFS model. For the 8-day period ending on Saturday, December 1, only the Northwest Coast, Central Gulf Coast, and portions of the Tennessee Valley are predicted to receive rains in excess of one inch. Image credit: NOAA.

Quiet in the Atlantic
There are no threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, and none of the reliable models is forecasting tropical cyclone development between now and the Friday, November 30 official end of hurricane season. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of one more named storm forming in December in the middle Atlantic between Bermuda and Puerto Rico, but late-season storms forming in that location rarely affect land.

Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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I Am Thankful
HappyThanksgiving! (suzi46)
to all our wonderful WU Community..a frigid and frosty daybreak at our neighbor's pond..heading up to a sunny and beautiful 50 degree afternoon..:)
HappyThanksgiving!
there's always light.. (mieke)
there's always light..
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Quoting sheople:
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just buy the weather eh?


So.... it's a profit thing. The evil corporations win again. Have a nice day RTS. ROTFLMAO
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Quoting bappit:

That sure is a weird landscape.



looks sorta alien....
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917. rdMac
The mapped exceptional drought areas coincide very closely with the map of the Ogallala aquifer. I'm guessing that there won't be a lot of aquifer recharge this year, but dependency on the aquifer for irrigation (and drawdown rate) will increase even more if rains aren't abundant next summer.
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916. Skyepony (Mod)

Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Do you have the link to that ESPI site? I lost it.



Here it is..
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915. Skyepony (Mod)
Last day to comment..people with asthma, heart conditions & such use these..money is tight, no need to know when it's safe to let the young & old out. Really??


NWS is proposing to terminate all operational
and experimental ozone air quality predictions and developmental predictions of
fine particulate matter (PM2.5) produced using the Community Model for Air
Quality (CMAQ) at the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP).
This termination is proposed due to the current fiscal environment. NWS will
maintain operational air quality predictions of smoke, dust, and volcanic ash,
as well as dispersion model predictions for the emergency management community
responding to harmful releases.


 


Please provide comments on the proposed
termination, by November 26, 2012, to:



 

nwssp.comments@noaa.gov



 

NWS will evaluate all comments to determine
whether to proceed with this termination. It is expected that the operational
ozone output will be terminated on or about March 5, 2013, and the experimental
ozone output and developmental PM2.5 predictions will be terminated on or about
January 22, 2013.



 

Specifically, this will result in the
termination of all surface ozone and developmental PM2.5 predictions over the
CONUS, Alaska and Hawaii that are made from the 06 UTC and 12 UTC prediction cycles.



 

More here



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Quoting Skyepony:
The ENSO Precipitation Index (ESPI) for the last 30 days is -0.43.

With the Kelvin waves dissipating earlier & farther west, looking like a cooler neutral for the winter.


Do you have the link to that ESPI site? I lost it.
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Quoting Skyepony:

That sure is a weird landscape.

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just buy the weather eh?
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910. Skyepony (Mod)
WU servers under dense fog this morning..

Dense fog greets Bay Area commuters Monday morning
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909. Skyepony (Mod)
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has secured a $27 million federal grant that will give more than 5,000 unemployed New Yorkers jobs cleaning up communities -- including those on Staten Island -- still recovering from Hurricane Sandy.

The jobs will pay approximately $15 an hour and will include short- and long-term projects. The work will include cleaning and repairing damaged public structures and property in each of the nine counties declared disaster areas.


Those interested in applying for a job, can call the Department of Labor at 1-888-4-NYSDOL (1-888-469-7365) or visit www.labor.ny.gov/sandyjobs.
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Quoting ScottLincoln:

The NWS still has its issues/faults, just as any large entity - government or otherwise - should be expected to have. As with anything in these environments, it takes many people leading and pushing for improvements to make things better, and sometimes progress is slow.


Five'll getch ten that NOAA told DR. Masters to STFU over the Deep water Horizon oil spill. He was commenting profusely on the ongoing environmental dynamics early on... then one day, without explanation, he suddenly stopped. BP and other operations like it already have in place super effective PR campaign war plans. That includes co-opting the process of whatever governments or private operations that might get in the way. If you trouble to find and read some of the back stories that made the web but not the press, you will find that all sorts of people and groups were traumatized not only by the chemical realities of the spill and its treatment, but by the activities of BP and its operatives as they did what they needed to do to intimidate and silence any thing or one they didn't like.

see, for example, floridaoilspilllaw.com. Go back toward the beginning. Lots of the remarks there are linked with references. There are many sites like it.

Same thing going with Fukushima. Have a, look at all the stories at enenews.com.

Same thing going with nearly every large event of any kind, corporate or connected to some government should be expected.

Rather than get all in a tizzy and judgmental about it, it should probably be regarded as a form of social disease, and strategies for treatment sought.

JMO
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Quoting ScottLincoln:

I believe I was even hearing advertisements for companies just like this on the radio numerous times during a recent trip. Specific mention of "improving" your image on review sites and in search engine results. I can only imagine that "improving" is a double-speak for hiding true, poor reviews with invented good reviews.

This sounds like something in that ball park. From a company called Next Principles.

"Choosing the right Social Media Management System was a process shrouded in mystery and confusion."

[edited out marketing spiel]

"NextPrinciples' Insight-to-Action SMMS is powering some of the world's biggest brands to monitor conversations and engage with their customers across all channels, social and otherwise. "
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905. Skyepony (Mod)
This morning's ASCAT of the low off Africa. Models did alright calling this to be shallow warm for so short a time to not bother with an invest. Circulation has really started to come undone since last night too.

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904. Skyepony (Mod)
The ENSO Precipitation Index (ESPI) for the last 30 days is -0.43.

With the Kelvin waves dissipating earlier & farther west, looking like a cooler neutral for the winter.
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903. Skyepony (Mod)



Dark Sand Cascades on Mars
Image Credit: HiRISE, MRO, LPL (U. Arizona), NASA

Explanation: They might look like trees on Mars, but they're not. Groups of dark brown streaks have been photographed by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on melting pinkish sand dunes covered with light frost. The above image was taken in 2008 April near the North Pole of Mars. At that time, dark sand on the interior of Martian sand dunes became more and more visible as the spring Sun melted the lighter carbon dioxide ice. When occurring near the top of a dune, dark sand may cascade down the dune leaving dark surface streaks -- streaks that might appear at first to be trees standing in front of the lighter regions, but cast no shadows. Objects about 25 centimeters across are resolved on this image spanning about one kilometer. Close ups of some parts of this image show billowing plumes indicating that the sand slides were occurring even when the image was being taken.
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WPAC26 Looking good this am..





SUBJ: TROPICAL DEPRESSION 26W (TWENTY-SIX) WARNING NR 004
WTPN31 PGTW 261500
1. TROPICAL DEPRESSION 26W (TWENTY-SIX) WARNING NR 004
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
261200Z --- NEAR 4.7N 155.4E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 290 DEGREES AT 06 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 025 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 030 KT, GUSTS 040 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
REPEAT POSIT: 4.7N 155.4E
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FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
270000Z --- 5.1N 154.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 07 KTS
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24 HRS, VALID AT:
271200Z --- 5.4N 153.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 09 KTS
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36 HRS, VALID AT:
280000Z --- 5.7N 151.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 09 KTS
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EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
281200Z --- 5.9N 149.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 09 KTS
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72 HRS, VALID AT:
291200Z --- 6.3N 146.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 070 KT, GUSTS 085 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 10 KTS
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LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
301200Z --- 7.4N 142.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 080 KT, GUSTS 100 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 11 KTS
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120 HRS, VALID AT:
011200Z --- 8.7N 137.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 090 KT, GUSTS 110 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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REMARKS:
261500Z POSITION NEAR 4.8N 155.1E.
MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 261200Z IS 12 FEET.
AT 112612 TROPICAL DEPRESSION CENTER LOCATED 268 NM SE OF CHUUK.
NEXT WARNINGS AT 262100Z, 270300Z, 270900Z AND 271500Z.
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Quoting CosmicEvents:
The NWS is a perfect example of a government agency that provides the citizens with information more efficiently than any combination of private companies could do, and they don't use any guns:P
.

The NWS still has its issues/faults, just as any large entity - government or otherwise - should be expected to have. As with anything in these environments, it takes many people leading and pushing for improvements to make things better, and sometimes progress is slow.
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Quoting MontanaZephyr:



This is already fairly widely recognized as an ongoing dynamic in the cybersphere and non-cybersphere areas as well. A lot of it is PR-related. ...that is.... retain a PR firm of sufficient class, and cyber activities will be part of the package line up that you can purchase. That includes wide and frequent posting of information structured to favor, either directly or indirectly through pretext, positions that your company or interest wants to promote, and to discredit or interfere with any information or view or modeling about that information that may move public perception in a direction which your operation, company, government, etc, does not favor. Some of these sound intelligent and thoughtful... others just interfere with the process of discussion will lower end troll behavior.

I believe I was even hearing advertisements for companies just like this on the radio numerous times during a recent trip. Specific mention of "improving" your image on review sites and in search engine results. I can only imagine that "improving" is a double-speak for hiding true, poor reviews with invented good reviews.
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Good Morning All,
Hope everyone is well this am,
Webcam from my area..



My WU weather this am..

1 KM Visible Satellite for Florida




Current Jet Stream..
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Quoting plutorising:
wondering if this happens here, paid trolls.

"Articles about the environment are hit harder by such tactics than any others. I love debate, and I often wade into the threads beneath my columns. But it's a depressing experience, as instead of contesting the issues I raise, many of those who disagree bombard me with infantile abuse, or just keep repeating a fiction, however often you discredit it. This ensures that an intelligent discussion is almost impossible - which appears to be the point."



This is already fairly widely recognized as an ongoing dynamic in the cybersphere and non-cybersphere areas as well. A lot of it is PR-related. ...that is.... retain a PR firm of sufficient class, and cyber activities will be part of the package line up that you can purchase. That includes wide and frequent posting of information structured to favor, either directly or indirectly through pretext, positions that your company or interest wants to promote, and to discredit or interfere with any information or view or modeling about that information that may move public perception in a direction which your operation, company, government, etc, does not favor. Some of these sound intelligent and thoughtful... others just interfere with the process of discussion will lower end troll behavior.

This happens outside of the cybersphere as well, where the stakes merit: Actors are got up in high status drag ... hot young high status chicks and guys, obviously with money, are over heard having a private discussion in public places about the merits of owning various items or points of view, and the competition is ridiculed.

Bottom line: Where an issue is important to you, take the time to research it yourself, taking care to get as many contrasting opinions as possible. Even when you get to hard research, be doubtful.... are ANY studies done anymore that aren't funded by some party with an interest in the perception of the outcome for non-scientific reasons...?
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Quoting TomballTXPride:

That's almost as silly as saying Xandra and Xyrus2000 are your other alternative handles to drive the AGW stuff down other's throats, preying on the young and vulnerable like TropicalAnalyst13 and MaWxBoy. Silly stuff. Today should be conspiracy Monday. LOL
So,what side of the fence do we fall on? Don't answer that! Keep me guessing,lol!
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Korithe,

Your post mentions tables and figures that arent there. and the PDF version doesn't have them either.

FYI
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Quoting VR46L:


I Believe you are right !! And fall into the "respected" bloggers category.....


Anyway

UK Still under water



That thing looks like it may turn into a blizzard as it heads for contenential Eroupe.
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Quoting biff4ugo:
Aaack! This morning's frost snuck up on me since I was away from the site over the holiday. Hope it went well for everyone.

Good rotation on TD 26!

The posting on here is moving at a tryptophanic pace. There are posts answering the previous post's questions!!!


Im sure its a TS by now.
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892. VR46L
Quoting yonzabam:



BBC news video of the current flooding:

Link


I have family in both the London and Coventry area and they were saying even in those area the rain has hardly stopped all weekend .. whereas I only had a couple of showers just across the water

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Aaack! This morning's frost snuck up on me since I was away from the site over the holiday. Hope it went well for everyone.

Good rotation on TD 26!

The posting on here is moving at a tryptophanic pace. There are posts answering the previous post's questions!!!
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Quoting AussieStorm:

I like your thinking.


Atleast a couple. 60 degrees here in NOLA ahead of the rain
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Quoting VR46L:


I Believe you are right !! And fall into the "respected" bloggers category.....


Anyway

UK Still under water




BBC news video of the current flooding:

Link
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To build on a news link provided by Dr. Masters in the current blog entry, here are some more happy thoughts from the drought (which, I should be note before I upset anyone, is merely a random coincidence and is in no way, shape, or form related in the least to climate change or global warming).

Low Mississippi water levels may halt barges

ST. LOUIS -- The gentle whir of passing barges is as much a part of life in St. Louis as the Gateway Arch and the Cardinals: a constant, almost soothing backdrop to a community intricately intertwined with the Mississippi River.

But next month, barges packing such necessities as coal, farm products and petroleum could instead be parked along the river's banks. The stubborn drought that has gripped the Midwest for much of the year has left the Mighty Mississippi critically low -- and it will become even lower if the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers presses ahead with plans to reduce the flow from a Missouri River dam.

Mississippi River interests fear the reduced flow will force a halt to barge traffic at the river's midpoint. They warn the economic fallout will be enormous, potentially forcing job cuts, raising fuel costs and pinching the nation's food supply.

"This could be a major, major impact at crisis level," said Debra Colbert, senior vice president of the Waterways Council, a public policy organization representing ports and shipping companies. "It is an economic crisis that is going to ripple across the nation at a time when we're trying to focus on recovery."


Source
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Just below 70 here for a low when does Fall begin? Several warm records the past 2 months here, either morning lows or afternoon highs. Have a great day from Very warm south central Texas.
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An LNG tanker with 150,000 cu. mt. of cargo has left Norway heading for Japan.
The ship will travel North into the Arctic, and will be the FIRST SUCH VOYAGE TO PASS THROUGH THE NORTH EAST PASSAGE IN DECEMBER.

The route will save 20 days of shipping time.
The shipping company says that this is only possible due to the thin ice this December, and is a result of Climate Change.

But, what do they know.....

(from BBC News)
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Quoting air360:


Hi guys, I just wanted to see if someone could tell me if I am reading this right...i am a little confused.

I live in eastern NC so that is where i am asking for but any other clarification/teaching would be appreciated too.

It looks to me like the freezing line or the transition from rain/snow area, according to the GFS on 12/7, is right up through central NC. It also looks like a possible storm right on the coast. Is this correct?

If that is a correct assumption then I guess my question then is on a few sites that do a little longer range forecast like 2 weeks they are showing those areas along that line in NC and VA as being in the mid 60's and cloudy. I know it is a long way out and the gfs isnt the only thing that is used..but just trying to learn how they come up with those forecast values if I am indeed reading this map correctly.

Thanks :)
Source for image: http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfs/06zgfs8 50mbTSLPp12264.gif


That's because it's still warm at the surface. 850mb is still a few thousand feet up, so even if it seems like the temperature is below freezing, it really isn't. It's why I won't get much, if any snow tomorrow here in DC.
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Hi guys, I just wanted to see if someone could tell me if I am reading this right...i am a little confused.

I live in eastern NC so that is where i am asking for but any other clarification/teaching would be appreciated too.

It looks to me like the freezing line or the transition from rain/snow area, according to the GFS on 12/7, is right up through central NC. It also looks like a possible storm right on the coast. Is this correct?

If that is a correct assumption then I guess my question then is on a few sites that do a little longer range forecast like 2 weeks they are showing those areas along that line in NC and VA as being in the mid 60's and cloudy. I know it is a long way out and the gfs isnt the only thing that is used..but just trying to learn how they come up with those forecast values if I am indeed reading this map correctly.

Thanks :)
Source for image: http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfs/06zgfs8 50mbTSLPp12264.gif
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
wonder why no NWS office has posted winter wether alerts ahead of the upcoming snowstorm for NYC...

is it too early?


This system is well below advisory criteria in most areas. You mentioned the Upton (NYC) NWS... generally the maximum forecast snowfall is in the 1 to 2 inch range.. possibly mixing with rain in areas. Even across the Philadelphia NWS area, total snow fall is generally expected to remain under two inches.

In most areas, advisory criteria would be at least three inches for a storm like this. If anyone was going to post advisories, it would most likely be across south central Pennsylvania, and back into the mountains, but even that might be a stretch.
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Powerful winter storm (rain mostly) to slam into California early Wednesday. Simulated radar from NAM-4km: http://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/272911021562269 696/photo/1
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Precipitable water anomalies show NPac pattern well inc. typhoon & intense atmospheric river flowing into CA. http://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/272917960262311 937/photo/1
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877. VR46L
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I think there are a few paid bloggers here.


I Believe you are right !! And fall into the "respected" bloggers category.....


Anyway

UK Still under water

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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

1.33 km "fire-nest" inside NAM 12-km 18z plopped over Louisiana, powerful super-cells Monday evening.
http://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/27282136271489 4336/photo/1
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I think there are a few paid bloggers here.

I like your thinking.
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I think there are a few paid bloggers here.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
wonder why no NWS office has posted winter wether alerts ahead of the upcoming snowstorm for NYC...

is it too early?

Waiting for TWC to name it. lol
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Everyone have a great Monday!
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871. yoboi
Quoting yonzabam:


Interesting article. I post in the comments section of the Telegraph, a UK newspaper. Any time a climate change related article comes up, there is an invasion of climate change deniers who keep on repeating the same lies, the most often repeated being that the world hasn't warmed since 1998.

However, I don't think they are 'paid trolls', as the article implies, although some may be connected in some way to the fossil fuel industry. It's a subject that just seems to whip up strong emotion, often of the more irrational variety.

Also, there are Internet anarchists out there, with an agenda to discredit 'the establishment'. Usually, it's the political establisnment, but the scientific establishment might be seen as 'fair game' for them, too. I'm sure attacking climate change sientists and political figures, such as Al Gore, is part of their agenda.




if you are in a boat that is sinking and you have a bucket do you just keep saying the boat is sinking until it sinks or do you use the bucket to bail out the boat??? neap same question for you...
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Good morning/evening all. Back to school again today and the work I brought home to do over vacation I never did. Felt good to just enjoy family. From a chilly 32 degrees when I got up yesterday to almost 60 degrees and raining this morning, needless to say my sinuses are having a blast! But rain means no recess for the kids... : (
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