A tranquil and record-warm Thanksgiving for much of the U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:35 PM GMT on November 23, 2012

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Celebrations of the Thanksgiving holiday in the United States in 2012 were aided by some of the most tranquil travel weather ever seen on what is America's busiest travel week. Unusually warm and precipitation-free conditions prevailed over almost the entire nation on Wednesday and Thursday, with many locations in the Midwest reporting their warmest Thanksgiving Day on record. At least three cities set records for their warmest temperature ever recorded so late in the year: Valentine, Nebraska (76° on Wednesday); Rochester, Minnesota (70° on Wednesday); and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan (65° on Thursday.) While the quiet weather was a boon for travelers, the lack of rain in the Midwest allowed the nation's worst drought since 1954 to expand; the U.S. Drought Monitor reported that the area of the contiguous U.S. covered by moderate or greater drought expanded by 1% to 60% this week. This reversed a seven-week trend of slowly decreasing drought that began on September 25 and extended until November 13, when the area covered by drought declined from 65% to 59%. The latest ten-day forecasts from the GFS and ECMWF models show much below average chances of precipitation across more 90% of the U.S., including the drought regions. These dry conditions will allow the drought to expand over the next two weeks, and potentially cover 65% of the contiguous U.S. again by mid-December. The next chance for significant rains in excess of one inch in the Midwest will not occur until December 2, at the earliest. The lack of rain will potentially cause serious trouble for barge traffic on the Mississippi River by December 10, when the river may fall below the level of -5 feet at St. Louis needed to allow barges to not scrape bottom.


Figure 1. This week's U.S. Drought Monitor shows 60% of the contiguous U.S. was in moderate or greater drought.


Figure 2. Predicted 8-day precipitation amounts from the 06Z (1 am EST) November 23, 2012 run of the GFS model. For the 8-day period ending on Saturday, December 1, only the Northwest Coast, Central Gulf Coast, and portions of the Tennessee Valley are predicted to receive rains in excess of one inch. Image credit: NOAA.

Quiet in the Atlantic
There are no threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, and none of the reliable models is forecasting tropical cyclone development between now and the Friday, November 30 official end of hurricane season. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of one more named storm forming in December in the middle Atlantic between Bermuda and Puerto Rico, but late-season storms forming in that location rarely affect land.

Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

I Am Thankful (pasocorto)
I Am Thankful
HappyThanksgiving! (suzi46)
to all our wonderful WU Community..a frigid and frosty daybreak at our neighbor's pond..heading up to a sunny and beautiful 50 degree afternoon..:)
HappyThanksgiving!
there's always light.. (mieke)
there's always light..
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Not always fog that leads to traffic pile ups.....


PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GOODLAND KS
500 AM MST SAT NOV 24 2012

...ON THIS DATE IN WEATHER HISTORY...

IN 1992, A MAJOR WINTER STORM ACROSS THE TEXAS PANHANDLE, WESTERN
OKLAHOMA AND WESTERN KANSAS PRODUCED NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS WHICH
CONTRIBUTED TO A MASSIVE 200 CAR PILE UP ON INTERSTATE 40 IN
AMARILLO TEXAS. ALL TRAFFIC WAS BROUGHT TO A VIRTUAL STANDSTILL IN
THE TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA PANHANDLES. 19 INCHES OF SNOW WITH DRIFTS OF
OVER 6 FEET OCCURRED AT LAVERN OKLAHOMA. DRIFTS REACHED 15 FEET
NEAR HUGOTON KANSAS. 17 INCHES FELL AT LIBERAL, 16 INCHES AT GARDEN
CITY AND 14 INCHES AT DODGE CITY IN KANSAS.



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Had to do it.... :)
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

$33 billion in damage in New York, $29.4 billion in New Jersey, $2 billion in Cuba, and $500 million between Hispaniola, the Bahamas, and Jamaica.

New Jersey damage total

New York damage total

Cuba damage total

Bahamas ($300 million) (death toll outdated on source), Haiti (>$100 million), Dominican Republic ($30 million), Jamaica ($55 million)

The death toll comes from a ton of different sources.


The thing that annoys me about 'economic costs' of a hurricane, or other natural disaster is that it's not all about property damaged and the cost of repairing or replacing it.

If a restaurant has to close because there's no customers due to the storm, or the staff don't come in, that day's loss of earnings for the owner is added to the total.

But the customers who never were, saved their money. Makes you wonder if today's methods of assessing economic losses are comparable with those of past disasters.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


which way is it moving?
How can that storm even develop so close to the equator?


For now is nearly stationary.

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It seems that fog warning systems bypass the NWS at least for warning systems set up along highways.

Safer Interstate Highways With Automated Fog and Smoke Warning System

"In designing the warning system, GTRI engineers found that various systems, usually simpler ones, have been in use since the early 1980s. The only other similar system in the United States is one on I-75 in Tennessee, but it is not an automated system. So the system near Adel is unique in this nation, though Europe is home to several automated warning systems, Gimmestad says."

Here's a slightly older PDF about how it works.

In days gone fog posed a different problem for fisherman. Here's a painting by Winslow Homer called The Fog Warning.



Edit: ran across this from Nove. 6 2012.

"The Florida Highway Patrol has issued a weather warning for I-75 around mile marker 88 in Collier County.

Fog has reduced visibility in the area. The road is not closed, but drivers are urged to use caution.

In Glades County, troopers have closed State Road 80 at Cowboy Way in LaBelle due to fog. It is not known when the road will reopen.?
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
Im not sure if you guys know this...

Sandy's US toll has risen to 131
and the total cost of damages to $65 BILLION....

I know it's wikipedia
can that be verifiable...?

$33 billion in damage in New York, $29.4 billion in New Jersey, $2 billion in Cuba, and $500 million between Hispaniola, the Bahamas, and Jamaica.

New Jersey damage total

New York damage total

Cuba damage total

Bahamas ($300 million) (death toll outdated on source), Haiti (>$100 million), Dominican Republic ($30 million), Jamaica ($55 million)

The death toll comes from a ton of different sources.
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387 PalmBeachWeather: Did you know that the Hippo is the most dangerous animal in the world?

Hardly. Ya ain't gonna find no hippo driving around in a fog.

Rats!!! 401 overwash12 beat me to the punchline.
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Quoting Skyepony:
Britain braced for flooding chaos

UK looks like it's still getting slammed.



Wettest summer for 100 years, here in Scotland, and no sign of it easing up. SW England is getting it at the moment, but it's a manageable 1-2", although the rivers are very high, so there will be some flooding.
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
90W is an interesting feature that given the very low latitude it could break Vamei's record for the southernmost formation in the WPAC at 1.4�N. The next lowest storm was Typhoon Sarah in 1956, which formed at 2.4�N. Both stats based on the best track from the Japan Meteorological Agency. Definitely a storm to keep an eye on.



which way is it moving?
How can that storm even develop so close to the equator?
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410. Skyepony (Mod)
Britain braced for flooding chaos

UK looks like it's still getting slammed.

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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
90W is an interesting feature that given the very low latitude it could break Vamei's record for the southernmost formation in the WPAC at 1.4�N. The next lowest storm was Typhoon Sarah in 1956, which formed at 2.4�N. Both stats based on the best track from the Japan Meteorological Agency. Definitely a storm to keep an eye on.



Things appear to be starting to take shape for 90W.

THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 0.7N
157.3E, IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 2.5N 159.0E, APPROXIMATELY 270 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHEAST OF POHNPEI. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY DEPICTS A
SLOWLY CONSOLIDATING LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) WITH STRONG
MID-LEVEL CYCLONIC TURNING. A 241436Z AMSU IMAGE INDICATES FORMATIVE
CONVECTIVE BANDING OVER THE SOUTHERN SEMI-CIRCLE DUE TO STRONG LOW-
LEVEL CONVERGENCE BUT WEAK OVERALL CONVECTIVE STRUCTURE; HOWEVER, A
241119Z ASCAT IMAGE DEPICTS A DEVELOPING, ELONGATED SURFACE
CIRCULATION WITH 15 TO 20 KNOT WINDS OVER THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN
PERIPHERIES OF THE LLCC. SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND ASCAT DATA SHOW
EXTENSIVE CROSS-EQUATORIAL FLOW INTO THE LLCC AND NORTHEASTERLY FLOW
INTO THE NORTHERN PERIPHERY. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES MODERATE
(20 KNOTS) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR OFFSET BY STRONG DIFFLUENCE
ASSOCIATED WITH A POINT SOURCE NEAR THE LLCC. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 12 TO 18 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL
PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1006 MB. BASED ON THE AGGRESSIVE
MODEL DEVELOPMENT AND THE STRONG MID-LEVEL DEVELOPMENT, THE
POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE
WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO MEDIUM.
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Anyone read this story? Two new anchors quit due to bias reporting.

Here's paragraph from the news article with interesting references to global warming (or lack there of.

Palmer sparked sparked a political tiff in 2006, when he was the stations' general manager, for telling his staff that they would no longer report stories on global warming. When "Bar Harbor is underwater, then we can do global warming stories," he wrote in an email obtained by The New York Times. "Until then, no more."

Full article with video

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/11/21/maine-tv- news-anchors-cindy-michaels-and-tony-consiglio-qui t-on/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%2 6pLid%3D237095

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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
Im not sure if you guys know this...

Sandy's US toll has risen to 131
and the total cost of damages to $65 BILLION....

I know it's wikipedia
can that be verifiable...?

I know TA does some of the tropical wiki stuff...
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Im not sure if you guys know this...

Sandy's US toll has risen to 131
and the total cost of damages to $65 BILLION....

I know it's wikipedia
can that be verifiable...?
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405. Skyepony (Mod)
Pipeline is going through TX if people want it or not. Landowners who land it crosses on an easement have been arrested. People sold out of fear or had their land took. The Police pepper sprayed a 75 year old women along with just about everyone else.. 43 arrested.



I don't like how they've treated people, said 75-year-old Jeanette Singleton of nearby Nacogdoches, who was worried about the Keystone's effect on the Angelina River. If you don't want to sign, they just take your land from you. It doesn't seem right.

TransCanada has attracted particular ire for its use of eminent domain to take easements from landowners who did not want to sign. Many landowners who eventually did sign say they did so out of fear of having their land seized otherwise.

This widespread landowner resentment has created a fertile ground for the blockade's resistance to the pipeline. The protests on Monday took place with the support of the landowners whose property the easement crossed.
Much more at that link.
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Drought of 2010 in Texas started in the later parts of September when rains basically stopped. From Sept 30, 2010 to Nov. 24th Austin airport received 1 inch of rain, several inches below normal. In 2012 from Sept 30 to Nov 24th Austin airport has received .84 of rain. So far these 2 years from later Sept to later Nov are very similar and both bone dry, hope this doesn't continue even though all extended forecasts I have seen for the next 3 to 6 months it very well could. For the most part the weather here has been dry and pretty mild to warm. We shall see but Lake Travis hasn't caught any water in over 2 years and is down close to 55 feet. There was some rain in deep south Texas yesterday. Hope this dry weather pattern changes soon
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Quoting overwash12:
The most dangerous animal is Man,especially in heavy fog! I had to do it!
Very severe situation
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402. Skyepony (Mod)
Boldwin showed a little strengthening..
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The most dangerous animal is Man,especially in heavy fog! I had to do it!
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90W is an interesting feature that given the very low latitude it could break Vamei's record for the southernmost formation in the WPAC at 1.4N. The next lowest storm was Typhoon Sarah in 1956, which formed at 2.4N. Both stats based on the best track from the Japan Meteorological Agency. Definitely a storm to keep an eye on.

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Quoting eyeofbetsy:


My brain fog is worse in the mornings but clears up somewhat around mid-day.
I have brain freeze from eating the "Oreo Blizzard" at Dairy Queen
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Quoting schwankmoe:


every time i hear the denier crowd complaining about how nea is a big meanie with his 'backhanded insults' or whatever, i remember comments like this. you guys are no better at all.

it just goes to show that it isn't really about how the guy talks, it's merely that he consistently presents the case that climate change is real and human-caused, and you're just trying to rationalize telling him to shut up about it.






Are you the president of his fan club?
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Wouldn't want to meet either one in a dark alley
Or one that was well lit.
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Quoting yonzabam:
Cut & paste. I think some on here might have this.


A clinical definition of brain fog. Brain fog may be described as feelings of mental confusion or lack of mental clarity. It is called brain fog because it can feel like a cloud that reduces your ability to think clearly. It can cause a person to become forgetful, detached and often discouraged and depressed. It usually is present most of the time, meaning it does not come and go, although it may become better or worse depending on what a person eats, or one’s state of rest and hydration.

Brain fog is not recognized as a clinical diagnosis because it is not easy to test for it. It is quite subjective, in other words. The person just knows that they do not function well, and the mind often seems foggy or cloudy. This is not the same as dementia, mental retardation, anxiety, depression or other common mental symptoms. I hope that medical doctors will soon expand their diagnostic ability to assess brain fog, but for now it is a subjective condition, though it is very real.

Brain fog is quite common. It affects thousands of people, including children as well as adults. It contributes to school and work problems, low self-esteem, accidents, unhappy relationships and often is a factor in crime and delinquency because it can cause intense frustration and inability to function well in society.

The onset of brain fog. Some people have had brain fog for most of their lives, and may even think their state of mind is normal. In some other cases, it comes on slowly with age or time. In still other instances, it may develop almost overnight, perhaps after a mild flu or other illness, or perhaps after a toxic exposure.



Can it be severe???
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Quoting yonzabam:
Cut & paste. I think some on here might have this.


A clinical definition of brain fog. Brain fog may be described as feelings of mental confusion or lack of mental clarity. It is called brain fog because it can feel like a cloud that reduces your ability to think clearly. It can cause a person to become forgetful, detached and often discouraged and depressed. It usually is present most of the time, meaning it does not come and go, although it may become better or worse depending on what a person eats, or one’s state of rest and hydration.

Brain fog is not recognized as a clinical diagnosis because it is not easy to test for it. It is quite subjective, in other words. The person just knows that they do not function well, and the mind often seems foggy or cloudy. This is not the same as dementia, mental retardation, anxiety, depression or other common mental symptoms. I hope that medical doctors will soon expand their diagnostic ability to assess brain fog, but for now it is a subjective condition, though it is very real.

Brain fog is quite common. It affects thousands of people, including children as well as adults. It contributes to school and work problems, low self-esteem, accidents, unhappy relationships and often is a factor in crime and delinquency because it can cause intense frustration and inability to function well in society.

The onset of brain fog. Some people have had brain fog for most of their lives, and may even think their state of mind is normal. In some other cases, it comes on slowly with age or time. In still other instances, it may develop almost overnight, perhaps after a mild flu or other illness, or perhaps after a toxic exposure.



My brain fog is worse in the mornings but clears up somewhat around mid-day.
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Quoting hydrus:
I thought Kodiaks were larger.
Wouldn't want to meet either one in a dark alley
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Quoting hydrus:
I thought Kodiaks were larger.
Nope........ Same bear
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
BTW.Grizzly's and Kodiak's are the same bear...It happens to be where they grew up........... I spent 2 years in Alaska, way back.
I thought Kodiaks were larger.
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Quoting hydrus:
You can add a Grizzly or Kodiak bear with rabies to that list of most dangerous animals.
BTW.Grizzly's and Kodiak's are the same bear...It happens to be where they grew up........... I spent 2 years in Alaska, way back.
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Quoting hydrus:
You can add a Grizzly bear with rabies to that list of most dangerous animals.
hydrus........You made me think of "Old Yeller" I cried for weeks when I was a little girl. And now you bring up "Old Grizzly" Sigh
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Speaking of hippocrits.......Did you know that the Hippo is the most dangerous animal in the world? I always thought it was the "Honey Badger" then next was my ex-hubby "Doug"
You can add a Grizzly or Kodiak bear with rabies to that list of most dangerous animals.
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Cut & paste. I think some on here might have this.


A clinical definition of brain fog. Brain fog may be described as feelings of mental confusion or lack of mental clarity. It is called brain fog because it can feel like a cloud that reduces your ability to think clearly. It can cause a person to become forgetful, detached and often discouraged and depressed. It usually is present most of the time, meaning it does not come and go, although it may become better or worse depending on what a person eats, or one’s state of rest and hydration.

Brain fog is not recognized as a clinical diagnosis because it is not easy to test for it. It is quite subjective, in other words. The person just knows that they do not function well, and the mind often seems foggy or cloudy. This is not the same as dementia, mental retardation, anxiety, depression or other common mental symptoms. I hope that medical doctors will soon expand their diagnostic ability to assess brain fog, but for now it is a subjective condition, though it is very real.

Brain fog is quite common. It affects thousands of people, including children as well as adults. It contributes to school and work problems, low self-esteem, accidents, unhappy relationships and often is a factor in crime and delinquency because it can cause intense frustration and inability to function well in society.

The onset of brain fog. Some people have had brain fog for most of their lives, and may even think their state of mind is normal. In some other cases, it comes on slowly with age or time. In still other instances, it may develop almost overnight, perhaps after a mild flu or other illness, or perhaps after a toxic exposure.

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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
I can't believe I said that..I am a freekin' hippocrit
Speaking of hippocrits.......Did you know that the Hippo is the most dangerous animal in the world? I always thought it was the "Honey Badger" then next was my ex-hubby "Doug"
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Gro, I think the county and cities are realizing that they underestimated the damage...It seems like Delray Beach damage may be a few million more than first realized.


It is getting worse since last night. Palm Beach is supposed to get much more today. This has been going on since Sandy went by us, but I've only see this much damage in a bad storm. Most of A1A has been closed by us.
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Ranks up in there with severe fog
I can't believe I said that..I am a freekin' hippocrit
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Quoting Grothar:
Oh, by the way, the flooding is severe.
Ranks up in there with severe fog
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Oh, by the way, the flooding is severe.
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Quoting Grothar:
The flooding down the street from us is very bad. The seawall is gone and it is getting worse in Fort Lauderdale.

Link
Gro, I think the county and cities are realizing that they underestimated the damage...It seems like Delray Beach damage may be a few million more than first realized.
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Quoting yoboi:



so we can only use what the USA says???? if so please only use USA stats with climate change....


A completely irrelevant distraction when it comes to discussing how fog is treated in the United States. The original discussion starting posts and posts ago seemed to revolve around pile-ups and accidents regarding fog. Most discussed accidents in this very country, and it seemed to stem from the recent pile-up in Texas. Perhaps in other countries that rarely, if ever, see tornadoes and severe hail as we do, or even hurricanes/avalanches/deadly wind chills/etc as we do, fog may be their typical "most severe" weather phenomena. Here in the U.S., that is generally not treated as such. People seem to have provided numerous links to this fact, including meteorological definitions and official agency policies, yet it still keeps being brought up. Perhaps we should just agree that officially-speaking, a few countries may consider fog as a severe weather event but most do not, and in particular, the United States does not, then upon agreeing to this just let this go instead of posting the same type of unofficial news articles over and over.

(And, in case anyone wanted to irrelevantly go there, virtually all climate and meteorological agencies and professional organizations in the U.S. agree with the same climate science as the entire world does. The official temperature records from NOAA/NCDC show the same rate of warming for the globe.)
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The flooding down the street from us is very bad. The seawall is gone and it is getting worse in Fort Lauderdale.

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Can we not bring up "fog"? Can anyone suppy me with a date that we will not speak of "fog" ? It has been maybe 18 hours now...Nea, I hope you are done with the past posts regarding this subject, maybe yes, maybe no. I have had enough.
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Quoting hydrus:

I figured the NAO wouldn't plummet like the GFS showed a few days ago.

I've not released a winter forecast yet...I should probably get busy on making a graphic for that. Overall though, I'm expecting a normal winter for much of the eastern half of the United States...up until late January anyways. After that, I think we'll see a true winter pattern settle in, with numerous winter storms for the mid-Atlantic.

As for the west, it should generally be warmer and wetter.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Fog is indeed a danger to drivers; I've not seen anyone claim otherwise. But so are such other weather-related hazards as light rain, dew, frost, and blinding morning sun.


Oddly enough, fog is only the cause of about 1% of traffic accidents, so by itself it is not too dangerous. But, the likelihood that you will die in a fog related accident is 2 to 4 times higher. 1:64 fatality ratio in fog vs 1:205 on wet pavement.

Fog is one of the few driving conditions that cause drivers to speed up. It deprives us of the visual clues we normally base our speed on, drivers become so intent on looking for things on the road in front of them, they don't look at the speedometer. When the driver does reach other traffic on the road the speed differences can be high and the breaking distances very short. Leading to the high rate of fatalities.

Calling fog severe weather isn't going to fix the drivers. In the end technology will do the most good. Having your car tell you that you can't see farther then it will take to stop will save many people.
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Nice sunny cold windless morning in GA....
Not the least bit of fog....

UGA all the way today, should be some perfect weather, if not a little chilly

It is a cold cloudy morning with some flurries in SE MI, no fog. I'm ready for the Michigan vs Ohio State game in 30 minutes.
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Good morning everyone.
I can't believe some are still arguing over fog. It is not considered severe weather, deal with it.

Anyway... Boldwin is looking good this morning. The eye and eyewall are still shown on microwave images and the satellite appearance is looking better.

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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Fog Fifi, Fog Felicia, Fog Fawn, Sounds ok to me
This is funny...I wuz wondering what natural phenom would get monikers next..I thought CME,s at first..
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Nice sunny cold windless morning in GA....
Not the least bit of fog....

UGA all the way today, should be some perfect weather, if not a little chilly
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Haha. Somebody was bound to post Carl Sandburg.

In the dark, in a fog. The level of danger is directly proportional to what you're doing and with whom.
:)

In a pure weather sense, the only "severe" references in the NWS glossary mention thunderstorm weather. Classic definition, I'd call it. Far as I'm concerned, "severe" by any other name would stink.
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369. yoboi
Quoting ScottLincoln:

Although examples seem to have been provided for other countries and their respect meteorological agencies, here in the US, fog is not really treated as a severe weather event by the National Weather Service. Severe weather typically uses the watch/warning scale of products. Severe weather typically requires immediate action by all the warned persons to significantly reduce the chance of property damage, injury, or death. Nuisance weather typically is addressed with advisories, not warnings. Nuisance weather may increase the chance of property damage, injury, or death, but typically not to the same degree and many times only to people in certain situations.

Fog may be a nuisance to most, but is only dangerous in some situations. The US National Weather Service does not issue "fog watches" or "fog warnings" but instead "dense fog advisories," and as such, it is officially considered a nuisance weather phenomena and not a short fuse severe weather phenomena.



so we can only use what the USA says???? if so please only use USA stats with climate change....
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