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A tranquil and record-warm Thanksgiving for much of the U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:35 PM GMT on November 23, 2012 +36
Celebrations of the Thanksgiving holiday in the United States in 2012 were aided by some of the most tranquil travel weather ever seen on what is America's busiest travel week. Unusually warm and precipitation-free conditions prevailed over almost the entire nation on Wednesday and Thursday, with many locations in the Midwest reporting their warmest Thanksgiving Day on record. At least three cities set records for their warmest temperature ever recorded so late in the year: Valentine, Nebraska (76° on Wednesday); Rochester, Minnesota (70° on Wednesday); and Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan (65° on Thursday.) While the quiet weather was a boon for travelers, the lack of rain in the Midwest allowed the nation's worst drought since 1954 to expand; the U.S. Drought Monitor reported that the area of the contiguous U.S. covered by moderate or greater drought expanded by 1% to 60% this week. This reversed a seven-week trend of slowly decreasing drought that began on September 25 and extended until November 13, when the area covered by drought declined from 65% to 59%. The latest ten-day forecasts from the GFS and ECMWF models show much below average chances of precipitation across more 90% of the U.S., including the drought regions. These dry conditions will allow the drought to expand over the next two weeks, and potentially cover 65% of the contiguous U.S. again by mid-December. The next chance for significant rains in excess of one inch in the Midwest will not occur until December 2, at the earliest. The lack of rain will potentially cause serious trouble for barge traffic on the Mississippi River by December 10, when the river may fall below the level of -5 feet at St. Louis needed to allow barges to not scrape bottom.


Figure 1. This week's U.S. Drought Monitor shows 60% of the contiguous U.S. was in moderate or greater drought.


Figure 2. Predicted 8-day precipitation amounts from the 06Z (1 am EST) November 23, 2012 run of the GFS model. For the 8-day period ending on Saturday, December 1, only the Northwest Coast, Central Gulf Coast, and portions of the Tennessee Valley are predicted to receive rains in excess of one inch. Image credit: NOAA.

Quiet in the Atlantic
There are no threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, and none of the reliable models is forecasting tropical cyclone development between now and the Friday, November 30 official end of hurricane season. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of one more named storm forming in December in the middle Atlantic between Bermuda and Puerto Rico, but late-season storms forming in that location rarely affect land.

Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters
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to all our wonderful WU Community..a frigid and frosty daybreak at our neighbor's pond..heading up to a sunny and beautiful 50 degree afternoon..:)
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there's always light..
Thanksgiving day parade (Outsideshot)
What a blast. Taken from 54th street and 6ave.
Thanksgiving day parade
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501. yoboi 1:42 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting bappit:
It seems that fog warning systems bypass the NWS at least for warning systems set up along highways.

Safer Interstate Highways With Automated Fog and Smoke Warning System

"In designing the warning system, GTRI engineers found that various systems, usually simpler ones, have been in use since the early 1980s. The only other similar system in the United States is one on I-75 in Tennessee, but it is not an automated system. So the system near Adel is unique in this nation, though Europe is home to several automated warning systems, Gimmestad says."

Here's a slightly older PDF about how it works.

In days gone fog posed a different problem for fisherman. Here's a painting by Winslow Homer called The Fog Warning.



Edit: ran across this from Nove. 6 2012.

"The Florida Highway Patrol has issued a weather warning for I-75 around mile marker 88 in Collier County.

Fog has reduced visibility in the area. The road is not closed, but drivers are urged to use caution.

In Glades County, troopers have closed State Road 80 at Cowboy Way in LaBelle due to fog. It is not known when the road will reopen.?



can't belive they would close a road for fog a nothing weather event.....
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502. Skyepony (Mod) 1:50 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Someone asked the other day what does Fox have to do with climate change denial...this is just a little piece but the latest. They always seem to be deep in the dirty.
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503. Tropicsweatherpr 1:52 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Statement from the Guam NWS regarding 90W:


SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TIYAN GU
1133 AM CHST SUN NOV 25 2012

PMZ172-173-174-251300-
CHUUK-POHNPEI-KOSRAE-
1133 AM CHST SUN NOV 25 2012

...TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SOUTH OF POHNPEI HAS MOVED SLIGHTLY
NORTHWESTWARD...

SATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THE TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IS CENTERED AT
ABOUT 3N158E AND THIS IS SLIGHTLY NORTHWEST OF PREVIOUS POSITIONS.
THIS IS ABOUT 220 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF NUKUORO...250 MILES
NORTHEAST OF KAPINGAMARANGI...AND ABOUT 260 MILES SOUTH OF POHNPEI.
HEAVY CONVECTIVE SHOWERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DISTURBANCE ARE
FLARING UP JUST SOUTH OF POHNPEI...OVER KOSRAE AND SOUTHEAST OF
CHUUK. THIS CONVECTION COVERS

TA...ETAL...SATAWAN...LUKUNOR...NAMOLUK AND SURROUNDING ISLANDS
IN SOUTHERN CHUUK STATE AND
SAPWUAFIK...NUKUORO...AND KAPINGAMARANGI IN POHNPEI STATE AND
ACROSS KOSRAE STATE.

NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITH LOCALLY HEAVY
DOWNPOURS ARE EXPECTED NEAR THE ABOVE LOCATIONS INTO EARLY NEXT
WEEK. THREE TO FIVE INCHES OF RAINFALL WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS
ARE POSSIBLE FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS. SUSTAINED WINDS OF 10 TO 20 MPH
WITH GUSTS TO 30 MPH IN SHOWERS ARE LIKELY. CHOPPY SEAS OF 5 TO 7
FEET COULD BUILD TO 7 TO 9 FEET OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS AND CAUSE
HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS FOR INTER-ISLAND TRAVEL BY SMALL BOATS ACROSS
THIS REGION.

RESIDENTS OF CHUUK...POHNPEI AND KOSRAE STATES SHOULD STAY ALERT AND
MONITOR THE LATEST STATEMENTS FROM LOCAL OFFICIALS AND THE NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILL CONTINUE TO
MONITOR THIS SYSTEM. REFER TO COASTAL WATERS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND SEA CONDITIONS.

$$

SIMPSON/GUARD
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504. allancalderini 1:57 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I call dibs on Chantal.
I will say Fernand.btw anyone think 2013 will produce 19 storms like these past 3 seasons? I will say we will reach 15 to 20 names this upcoming year.
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505. KoritheMan 1:57 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting allancalderini:
I will say Fernand.btw anyone think 2013 will produce 19 storms like these past 3 seasons? I will say we will reach 15 to 20 names this upcoming year.


I refuse to answer that after how poorly my forecasts have verified the last three years. I'm convinced we don't know enough yet. Maybe someday.
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506. AussieStorm 1:58 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Floods: 'Threat To Life And Property' In Cornwall

Severe flood warnings have been issued for Helston, Polperro and Perranporth, as rivers threaten to burst their banks in Cornwall.



Residents have been told to flee their homes as floodwater and torrential rain cause "serious threats to life and property" in southwest England.

The Environment Agency has warned of a potential threat to life due to the flooding of three rivers in Cornwall.

Severe flood warnings have been issued for Helston, Polperro and Perranporth, as rivers threaten to burst their banks.

At Polperro, south Cornwall, the level of the River Pol has been recorded at 0.26 metres. The typical level is between 0.00 metres and 0.25 metres.

Special "rest centres" have been set up in the worst-hit villages, allowing families to shelter overnight as floodwater surges through the rural West Country.

Emergency services and rescue crews have met council bosses in an effort to spread the message about the danger to life and property, following nearly four days of rainfall.

Across the region, roads were closed for safety reasons and others were impassable as rain saturated highways, and debris blocked lanes.



Devon and Cornwall Police have warned people not to go to flood affected areas, adding that the worst of the rain appeared to be moving away from Cornwall towards Devon.

Sergeant Gary Watts tweeted: "Severe means risk to life. Please pay heed!"

"Flash flooding can take you by surprise and kill. If you have to be out don't take risks."

Cornwall Council announced on Twitter that the river had burst its banks at Ladock, and warned local residents to take precautions.

Severe warnings are also in place at Bolingey Stream from Bolingey to Perranporth, and at the River Cober, in Helston.

Emergency teams have been working to shore up defences, deploy temporary barriers, monitor river levels, clear blockages from watercourses and pump-out flood water from towns.

The rest of Britain is also bracing itself for more flooding and travel disruption, with forecasters predicting further heavy downpours.

A deep area of low pressure has moved in, bringing more heavy rain to areas already badly hit by Thursday's downpours.

Sky weather producer Joanna Robinson said: "England and Wales could see 15 to 25mm quite widely, with up to 60mm possible in some spots.

"Between 6am and 6pm today 47mm of rain had already fallen at St Mary's (Isles of Scilly), 28mm at Culdrose and Plymouth and 17mm at Exeter and Bournemouth.

"We can expect 30 to 40mm of rain quite widely across south Wales and the West Country by tomorrow morning, with up to 60mm locally, particularly across Devon and Cornwall.



"Elsewhere across England and Wales there will be up to 25mm of rain, with lower amounts across Scotland, but local flooding remains a risk there after such a wet week.

"Gusts up to 70mph are expected for coastal areas of south-east England overnight, with inland gusts of 60mph. There is also the potential for some damage, particularly as the ground is saturated.

"It will be very windy across other southern areas, but the south-east is likely to see the strongest winds."

Network Rail said trains were likely to be suspended between Exeter and Bristol until Monday.

The latest downpours came after the majority of the UK was battered by storms on Thursday, leaving hundreds of drivers stranded and thousands of homes without power.

More than 100 people had to be evacuated as winds reached more than 86mph.

An elderly man also died after becoming trapped in his 4x4 in floods in Chew Stoke in Somerset.

Three other people had a lucky escape after their car was swept down a swollen river in Warwickshire.

The vehicle was carried more than 500 metres before a farmer managed to pull it to the water's edge.

A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokesman said: "Two elderly females and one male were treated for shock and hypothermia by ambulance crews."

In Torquay, Devon, several homes were evacuated after a landslide. Part of a cliff face was hit by a landslip after netting was washed away.
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507. Patrap 2:03 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Global warming is seriously affecting Austraila.
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508. yoboi 2:05 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting schwankmoe:


see what i mean?



what do you get???
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509. TropicalAnalystwx13 2:05 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting allancalderini:
I will say Fernand.btw anyone think 2013 will produce 19 storms like these past 3 seasons? I will say we will reach 15 to 20 names this upcoming year.

At least 15 named storms I think.
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510. yoboi 2:06 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
Global warming is seriously affecting Austraila.



new rules we can only use usa data....
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511. wxchaser97 2:07 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I call dibs on Chantal.

All the good names got taken since I was gone -_-

I'll take Humberto.
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512. KoritheMan 2:09 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Dorian sounds pissed too.
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513. AussieStorm 2:09 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Waterspouts off the coast of Portugal

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514. AussieStorm 2:10 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
Global warming is seriously affecting Austraila.

??????
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515. wxchaser97 2:12 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:
Dorian sounds pissed too.

Sounds like a knock off DeLorean to me.
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516. Grothar 2:13 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I made a mess.



Don't worry, it happens to everybody eventually.
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517. CaicosRetiredSailor 2:15 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, support@wunderground.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/1.3.42 server - Port 80



OK folks... confession time, tell us:

anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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518. wxchaser97 2:16 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Beautiful fall day in GA especially since #3 UGA just beat up on GT 42-10....

Low tonight in the mid 20s...gonna be a cold one.

Michigan lost to Ohio State in a close game, stupid Ohio State.

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I made a mess.


You better clean it up. It actually looks good to me.
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519. Tropicsweatherpr 2:16 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
I will chim into the names game to say Gabrielle.
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520. weatherbro 2:16 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
el nino is back in western style!!!
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521. wxchaser97 2:18 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:

Internal Server Error

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Please contact the server administrator, support@wunderground.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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Apache/1.3.42 server - Port 80



OK folks... confession time, tell us:

anything you might have done that may have caused the error.


Well lets see, I didn't do it. This has been going on for a little while now but not as frequent as earlier.
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522. AussieStorm 2:19 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

Michigan lost to Ohio State in a close game, stupid Ohio State.


I would say stupid Michigan as they couldn't beat Ohio State. Ya can't blame a team for beating your team, just means your team didn't play well enough . But I'm being logical :-)
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523. AussieStorm 2:20 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:

Internal Server Error

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Please contact the server administrator, support@wunderground.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Apache/1.3.42 server - Port 80



OK folks... confession time, tell us:

anything you might have done that may have caused the error.


Blame TA13, he made the mess. lol
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524. yoboi 2:23 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Warnings for Ventura County Coast, California | Weather Underground Dense fog advisory remains in effect until 10 am PST Saturday... * visibilities...
dense fog with visibilities of one quarter mile ... Severe Overlay on Radar. Click to ...
www.wunderground.com/US/CA/040.html
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525. eyeofbetsy 2:25 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Link

A little comic relief.
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526. yoboi 2:26 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Warnings for Woodford, Illinois | Weather Underground Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am CST Wednesday... The National Weather
Service in Lincoln has issued a dense fog ... Severe Overlay on Radar. Click to ...
www.wunderground.com/US/IL/031.html
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527. wxchaser97 2:27 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting AussieStorm:


I would say stupid Michigan as they couldn't beat Ohio State. Ya can't blame a team for beating your team, just means your team didn't play well enough . But I'm being logical :-)

Nah, I'm still saying stupid Ohio State as I don't like them. Michigan could've won, it was just a close game. A cold game with light winds and flurries.
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528. yoboi 2:36 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


The point keeps going over your head. The discussion was about the US definition of severe weather. There was never any talk or discussion of any sort pertaining to foreign vernacular.



why is it when i click on severe weather on this site dense fog is considered severe weather try the link you will see what i am talking about.....do you consider this site as something to go by????
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529. AztecCe 2:38 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
this is a cool picture. It shows the Milky Way's center. The bright dot in the middle is jupiter
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530. KoritheMan 2:38 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:



why is it when i click on severe weather on this site dense fog is considered severe weather try the link you will see what i am talking about.....do you consider this site as something to go by????


This site shares National Weather Service information, including the warnings you so vehemently espouse, so yes, I suppose I consider it a reliable source of official information. Still not seeing anything contradicting what I said, btw.
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531. yoboi 2:39 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    

U.S. Weather Warning Legend Tornado Warning
Tornado Watch
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
Severe Thunderstorm Watch
Winter Weather Statement
High Wind Advisory
Flood Warning
Flood Watch / Flood Statement
Hurricane Local Statement
Heat Advisory
Dense Fog Advisory
Fire Weather Advisory
Hurricane Watch
Hurricane Warning
Tropical Storm Watch
Tropical Storm Warning
Special Weather Statement
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532. wxchaser97 2:40 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:



why is it when i click on severe weather on this site dense fog is considered severe weather try the link you will see what i am talking about.....do you consider this site as something to go by????

I think you got this mixed up. When you click the link it shows all the active warnings, watches, and advisories(severe and non-severe).
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533. AussieStorm 2:41 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

Nah, I'm still saying stupid Ohio State as I don't like them. Michigan could've won, it was just a close game. A cold game with light winds and flurries.

Yeah, I knew that.


Homes evacuated amid further rain

Severe flood warnings are in place as saturated parts of the UK are hit by more heavy rain and strong winds.
In some areas of Cornwall people have been told to leave their homes as floodwater and torrential rain caused "serious threats to life and property".
Severe flood warnings have been issued in Polperro, Helston, Perranporth and Lostwithiel.
The Environment Agency has more than 100 flood warnings and about 200 flood alerts in place in England and Wales.
And the Met Office has issued an amber weather warning for heavy rain.

Severe flood warnings mean severe flooding and danger to life. Flood warnings mean people should take action because flooding is expected, while flood alerts indicate people should prepare for possible flooding.
A woman is trapped under a fallen tree in Paris Street, Exeter
"Rest centres" have been set up for residents in the villages facing severe warnings. But river levels around Millbrook have dropped and a rest centre opened there has since been closed
Roads have been closed across the region due to flooding. Exmouth in Devon has been cut off, with the A376 closed by police
The M5 is closed southbound between the junctions for Taunton and Wellington, while the M48 is closed in both directions due to flooding between J2 M48 Severn Bridge and M4 J23
The RNLI's south west flood rescue team have been asked to assist the emergency services in Exeter, Devon, with two inshore lifeboats
National Rail said there were delays between Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids due to flooding and a landslip. The replacement buses have been cancelled on some routes
Network Rail said trains were likely to be disrupted between Exeter, Taunton and Bristol Temple Meads until Monday
A body thought to be that of a man who fell into a canal in fog in Watford has been found
Emergency services, rescue crews and the Environment Agency met Cornwall council bosses during Saturday evening in a bid to spread the message about the danger to life and property.
Devon and Cornwall Police said about 75 homes had been affected across the county.
Spokesman Ian Walls said: "Rest centres have been set up overnight, for people who need to leave their homes and have nowhere else safe to go.
"I'm not sure how much sleep they will get, but it is a way of keeping them safe. I don't want to overstate it, but when there is a real danger to life - as there can be with just a foot of floodwater - then action needs to be taken."
Alan Crockford, a pub landlord in Polperro, said there had been warnings but "nobody knew it would get this bad".
He said: "I was actually in my house and I heard a roar, and just looked outside the window and that was the first bit of water that just, just came down the hill, like a river running straight down the road.
"We were given warnings from Floodline, and they just said like to take care, we were never given any firm warning that you had to evacuate and no one knew to expect it this bad."
Defences shored up
The Met Office has been forecasting heavy rain and strong winds across all parts of the country over the weekend.
The Environment Agency said strong winds would increase the risk of flash flooding as drainage channels were likely to become blocked with wind-blown debris.
"The rain will spread north and east, increasing flood risk in north-east and north-west England on Sunday. The picture remains unsettled for the start of next week," a spokesman said.
John Curtin, head of incident management at the Environment Agency, said: "We would urge people to continue to be prepared for flooding, sign up for Environment Agency flood warnings, keep up to date with the latest situation and stay away from dangerous flood water."
Strong winds
BBC forecasters said south west of England had seen between one and two inches of rain (25mm to 50mm) during Saturday evening, but the worst had passed. It would now be dry for a time with further showers into Sunday morning. Strong winds of between 60mph and 70mph could also whip the south of England and East Anglia in the early hours of Sunday. The weather system bringing the weather will move into northern England and southern Scotland on Sunday.
BBC weather forecaster Chris Fawkes said: "The flood warnings are a legacy of the really heavy rain we've had already so far this week.
"The rivers have been doing what rivers do best, flowing down hill, taking all that excess water away, but they've not managed to clear the backlog. That's why we've got flood warnings in place right now."
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson warned people to be vigilant.
He said: "I would like to warn everybody that flood water is dangerous.
"More rain is forecast over the next few days and it's very easy to leave one's cosy home and just get struck by water and not realise how dangerous it is."
Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service have rescued three people from a car stuck in flood water in Mulchelney, Langport.
A 90-year-old woman was rescued after being stranded in her flooded home in North Curry, near Taunton.
On Thursday, a man died in floods after he became trapped in his car under a bridge in Chew Stoke near Bath.
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534. yoboi 2:41 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


This site shares National Weather Service information, including the warnings you so vehemently espouse, so yes, I suppose I consider it a reliable source of official information. Still not seeing anything contradicting what I said, btw.


just click the severe weather link and walla dense fog is there
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535. yoboi 2:42 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

I think you got this mixed up. When you click the link it shows all the active warnings, watches, and advisories(severe and non-severe).


it's under severe weather link ya can try and spin it all ya want...
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536. Bluestorm5 2:45 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:
Warnings for Woodford, Illinois | Weather Underground Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am CST Wednesday... The National Weather
Service in Lincoln has issued a dense fog ... Severe Overlay on Radar. Click to ...
www.wunderground.com/US/IL/031.html
It's dense fog ADVISORY... it's not severe weather warning.
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537. yoboi 2:45 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:
Warnings for Woodford, Illinois | Weather Underground Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am CST Wednesday... The National Weather
Service in Lincoln has issued a dense fog ... Severe Overlay on Radar. Click to ...
www.wunderground.com/US/IL/031.html


severe overlay what does that mean???
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538. Bielle 2:51 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:


severe overlay what does that mean???


WunderBlogs - Dr. Masters' Blog Content Rules

Due to the high amount of traffic that Dr. Masters' blog receives, a special community standard has been established for the blog. The following list comprises the "Rules of the Road" for Dr. Masters' blog.

3. No monomania.
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539. wxchaser97 2:52 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:


it's under severe weather link ya can try and spin it all ya want...

-Fog indicates stable weather.
-Fog is not recognized as severe weather in the US and most other countries.
-Fog does do harm to people, that is true.
-This 24hr argument about fog is very pointless, we should drop it and find something else more productive to do. deleted...
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540. wxgeek723 2:56 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:
Dorian sounds pissed too.


Erin. I honestly think Andrea and Erin are the only names that people would take seriously until the list gets to Ingrid, lol.

However, names like Chantal and Dorian would be GOLDEN for twitter. ;)
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541. whitewabit (Mod) 2:57 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

-Fog indicates stable weather.
-Fog is not recognized as severe weather in the US and most other countries.
-Fog does do harm to people, that is true.
-This 24hr argument about fog is very pointless, we should drop it and find something else more productive to do. Only reason I'm even responding is because you are escalating this too quickly and much more than it needs to be.


And your not by continually replying ???
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542. AussieStorm 2:59 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
mon~o~ma~ni~a (mn-mn-, -mny)
n.
1. Pathological obsession with one idea or subject.
2. Intent concentration on or exaggerated enthusiasm for a single subject or idea

I could point out several handles here that have this problem.
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543. KoritheMan 2:59 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting Bielle:


WunderBlogs - Dr. Masters' Blog Content Rules

Due to the high amount of traffic that Dr. Masters' blog receives, a special community standard has been established for the blog. The following list comprises the "Rules of the Road" for Dr. Masters' blog.

3. No monomania.


I prefer to call it "debate", but whatever you say, sonny. ;)
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544. yoboi 3:04 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting Bielle:


WunderBlogs - Dr. Masters' Blog Content Rules

Due to the high amount of traffic that Dr. Masters' blog receives, a special community standard has been established for the blog. The following list comprises the "Rules of the Road" for Dr. Masters' blog.

3. No monomania.



does that apply to climate change also???
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545. yoboi 3:07 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting wxchaser97:

-Fog indicates stable weather.
-Fog is not recognized as severe weather in the US and most other countries.
-Fog does do harm to people, that is true.
-This 24hr argument about fog is very pointless, we should drop it and find something else more productive to do. Only reason I'm even responding is because you are escalating this too quickly and much more than it needs to be.



UK Weather: Met Office issues severe weather warning as thick fog ... Oct 22, 2012 ... Heavy fog has halted planes across England and Europe, with Heathrow Airport
cancelling more than 120 flights today as the Met Office issues ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221343/UK-Weath er-Met-Office-issues-severe-weather-warning-fog-le ads-120-cancelled-flights.html




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546. Bielle 3:07 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I prefer to call it "debate", but whatever you say, sonny. ;)


Being a debate does not, even if true, necessarily preclude monomania: one is a method; the other, content. But whatever you say, sonny. ;)
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547. KoritheMan 3:09 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:


just click the severe weather link and walla dense fog is there


Let me try and simplify this for you as plainly as I can. If you still don't understand, I'll try again. Wunderground's severe weather page is not an indicator of the severity of a particular event. The enumeration in question is only meant to illuminate ongoing weather advisories/bulletins. It is not meant to classify non-severe events (which have their own specific criterion for classification) like dense fog under the false pretense of "severe weather". This particular phrase was never intended to be used as an umbrella term to encompass literally every form of dangerous weather. Feel free to do that yourself, but it doesn't make things any more conforming to your opinion.

Yes, fog is dangerous. But so is almost every single weather event. Will you categorize them as "severe" as well? What you're doing is taking your own definition of what you believe should constitute "severe weather", and trying to apply it in real-time to something that's bound to happen again. That's called a fallacy.

To summarize, yes, the severe weather page on this site is reliable. But that's because it relays information directly from the National Weather Service. In other words, the bulletins you refer to are bound by the technicalities set forth by this wonderful governmental entity. I don't make the rules, I'm just trying to lay them out for you. If you have a beef with this whole thing, take up with the National Weather Service.
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548. AussieStorm 3:09 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting yoboi:



does that apply to climate change also???

I like your thinking.
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549. KoritheMan 3:11 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting Bielle:


Being a debate does not, even if true, necessarily preclude monomania: one is a method; the other, content. But whatever you say, sonny. ;)


If this is monomania, so are all the global warming debates we have during the off season.

Now sit back and watch, you killjoy. :P
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550. yoboi 3:13 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I prefer to call it "debate", but whatever you say, sonny. ;)


i thought we were having a civil debate....guess we can't discuss things more than once....i figure if ya share your views and i share mine we might both learn something....i thought iit was a clean civil debate
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551. yoboi 3:17 AM GMT on November 25, 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Let me try and simplify this for you as plainly as I can. If you still don't understand, I'll try again. Wunderground's severe weather page is not an indicator of the severity of a particular event. The enumeration in question is only meant to illuminate ongoing weather advisories/bulletins. It is not meant to classify non-severe events (which have their own specific criterion for classification) like dense fog under the false pretense of "severe weather". This particular phrase was never intended to be used as an umbrella term to encompass literally every form of dangerous weather. Feel free to do that yourself, but it doesn't make things any more conforming to your opinion.

Yes, fog is dangerous. But so is almost every single weather event. Will you categorize them as "severe" as well? What you're doing is taking your own definition of what you believe should constitute "severe weather", and trying to apply it in real-time to something that's bound to happen again. That's called a fallacy.

To summarize, yes, the severe weather page on this site is reliable. But that's because it relays information directly from the National Weather Service. In other words, the bulletins you refer to are bound by the technicalities set forth by this wonderful governmental entity. I don't make the rules, I'm just trying to lay them out for you. If you have a beef with this whole thing, take up with the National Weather Service.


the uk considers it a severe weather event and when i click on severe weather link on this site dense fog is shown they also say severe weather overlay with fog....so to me they consider it severe also
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