Sandy the 11th U.S. billion-dollar disaster of 2012

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:26 PM GMT on November 09, 2012

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Devastating Hurricane Sandy was the eleventh billion-dollar weather-related disaster in the U.S. so far this year, and the most expensive, said insurance broker AON Benfield in their November 8, 2012 Catastrophe Report. This puts 2012 in second place for most U.S. billion-dollar weather disasters behind 2011, when NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) counted fourteen such disasters. AON Benfield rated seventeen events as billion-dollar weather disasters in 2011, so the actual number of such disasters has considerable uncertainty depending upon who is doing the estimates. NCDC has not yet released their official figures for 2012's billion-dollar weather disasters, and we might expect that their total could be 20% lower than AON Benfield's, judging by what happened in 2011. This would give 2012 nine billion-dollar weather disasters, which would still put 2011 in second place for most billion-dollar weather disasters. Although damages due to weather-related disasters are increasing, we cannot yet say climate change is to partially to blame. There are too many other complicating factors such as increases in wealth and population that may be responsible for the rise in damages, and there is too much noise in the data to see the signal of climate change, as I explain in my January 2012 post, "Damage losses and climate change". We are better off looking at the atmosphere itself to find evidence of climate change, and there are plenty of examples of that--such as the record loss of Arctic sea ice this summer.


Figure 1. The escalators down to the South Ferry subway station in Lower Manhattan's Financial District lie flooded in the wake of Hurricane Sandy's storm surge on October 29, 2012. Total economic damage from Hurricane Sandy has been estimated at $30 - $50 billion by EQECAT. Image credit: New York MTA and Associated Press.


Figure 2. The U.S. has experienced eleven weather-related disasters costing at least $1 billion in 2012, according to data taken from the AON Benfield October 2012 Catastrophe Report. AON Benfield has not made a damage estimate for the 2012 Midwest drought, but according to National Crop Insurance Services, crop insurance losses alone will total $20 billion. The total cost of the drought could be more than $77 billion, said Purdue University economist Chris Hurt in August. As Nick Sundt of the WWF summarizes in a nice blog post, this year will probably be the second most costly year since 1980 in terms of billion-dollar weather-related disasters.


Figure 3. Number of weather-related U.S. billion-dollar disasters per year (blue bars) from 1980 - 2012, and the total cost of these disasters (red and dark blue lines, with the red line showing the inflation-adjusted costs.) Image credit: NOAA's National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

Winter Storm Brutus bringing blizzard conditions to Montana
Winter Storm Brutus is bringing blizzard conditions to Northeast Montana, with heavy snow and high winds that have gusted to 45 mph. Brutus has dumped a widespread area of 4 - 6 inches of snow over large portions of Montana since Thursday afternoon, with 7 - 10 inches reported in the Great Falls area and 17" in the mountains near Glacier National Park. According to the Glasgow, MT NWS Facebook page, the current storm has the potential to be a top-ten snowfall event for the area, with records going back 115 years. The storm will affect Montana and western North Dakota through Saturday morning, then push north-northeastwards into Canada.

Top ten 2-day snow events in Glasgow, Montana history:

1 15.0" 4/18/1896
2 14.3" 12/27/2003
3 14.1" 4/ 3/1940, 4/ 2/1940
5 14.0" 11/19/1941
6 13.4" 10/13/2008
7 13.3" 11/ 6/2000
8 13.0" 10/12/2008, 4/ 9/1995, 1/26/1916

The Atlantic hurricane season is not over yet
There are still three weeks left in the Atlantic hurricane season, and the way this year has gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see the season's 20th named storm--Tropical Storm Valerie--sometime this month. One potential candidate is a concentrated area of heavy thunderstorms that has developed about 800 miles west-northwest of the Cape Verde Islands, off the coast of Africa. However, wind shear is a high 20 - 30 knots over the disturbance, and any development should be slow. Our two most reliable models, the GFS and ECMWF, do not develop the disturbance, and show it drifting slowly to the northwest over the next few days. In their 7 am EST Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave the disturbance just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Sunday morning.

A better candidate to become Valerie is an area of low pressure that is predicted to develop between Bermuda and Puerto Rico by the middle of next week. The GFS model shows this low becoming a subtropical cyclone as it gets pulled to the north or north-northeast late next week.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting Hugo5:


some of your facts need checking.


Like which?
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Quoting yonzabam:
It's not that long since the average annual rise in atmospheric CO2 was 1.5 ppm. That was the figure that was, and often still is, quoted in the literature.

However, for the past ten years the average annual rise has been 2.1 ppm. This is a hugely important development which is largely being ignored. Maybe scientists don't want to be accused of scaremongering. The annual increase fluctuates a lot, and ten years isn't that long, so maybe they think it might be a 'blip'.

Those scientists who have drawn attention to it, have suggested increased industrialization and affluence in the east, particularly China, is the cause. While that will contribute, my own theory is that warming oceans are becoming less efficient carbon sinks.

The record year for high SSTs is the record El Nino year of 1998. Atmospheric CO2 surged by almost 3 ppm that year, another record. 3 ppm would have been equivalent to all anthropogenic CO2 for 1998.

The colder regions of the ocean absorb CO2, while the warmer regions outgas it. So, as the ocean warms, it will absorb a diminishing fraction of man made CO2. But, it gets scarier. There is no reason why the ocean would not warm to the point where it became a net emitter of CO2. This is a nightmare scenario. I have no idea to what extent the models factor this in, but it wouldn't surprise me if they ignore it completely due to the uncertainties involved.

There is a good correlation between global SSTs and annual rises in CO2. I posted a table illustrating the correlation on a local Internet forum a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it and repost it here, but as it's in tabular form, it might not cut and paste.


some of your facts need checking.
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Quoting wxchaser97:
It is supposed to get near 70F tomorrow and then struggle to get out of the 30s on Tuesday. This will be fun for my sinuses.

I am out for a while, bye everyone.


I almost laughed at that post, but then I realized its snot that funny.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



It's because they are more worked up about Climate Change and therefore they assume everyone else should too. I don't want to be critical but it's the truth. People have enough things in their lives to worry about as it is, we can't throw burdens upon them which is out of their control. I'm concerned over the destruction of natural Florida. However I can't be a hero of Florida nature and save it all. I can do my part. But I'm just a human. We live in a world where increasingly people are stressed out over Global issues which one man can't control, meanwhile their own family and personal life is getting out of control.

It's trying to fix problems from the wrong approach, it doesn't work. It creates stress, and division.
You write as though you're not aware that a large and growing number of people who truly do know about such things--a group which does not, by the way, include people like the Koch Brothers, Anthony Watts, or members of North Carolina's General Assembly--consider climate change the single largest threat mankind has ever faced in modern times. It's far more immediate and likely a threat than events such as a giant asteroid strike, or a supervolcano eruption, or global thermonuclear war, or a CME large enough to bring on long-term global chaos. Of course, it's true that how high the seas will rise over the next decade may not matter much to a man who's wondering what to feed his starving children for dinner tonight. But that doesn't take away the urgency or the reality of the situation.

Claiming that you can't be concerned with climate change because it's too "burdensome" makes as much sense as claiming that you can't worry about looking for a job because you're too busy digging through your sofa cushions for loose change. ;-)
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Actually its good people aren't that worried about Climate Change. What good will it do for people to panic about something which is out of their control? It's good for people to be aware of it, and do their part to be more eco-friendly, but people shouldn't be panicking over GW, people are already stressed out enough as it is.




Agree. Let's concentrate our efforts on cleaner air and water. Technology has come a long ways in those efforts and will continue to do so. Fossil fuels are gonna be with us a long time providing the good jobs we need. When the green energy sources make economical sense it will happen. Trying to undermine the fossil fuel industry for some unrealistic political agenda is wrong.
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It is supposed to get near 70F tomorrow and then struggle to get out of the 30s on Tuesday. This will be fun for my sinuses.

I am out for a while, bye everyone.
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Not exactly...

One's decision making choices, or capabilities cannot be measured in intellect. The ability to make wise choices is not the same as intellectual comprehension. Throughout the ages, many smart people have made poor decisions. Politicians making a decision to ban reporting of sea level rise may be due to agenda, denial, or many other things. However, it does not make them stupid. As I said, there have been brilliant minds in history that were bent on foolish ideas. The path of one's life, and their decisions they make, is independent of intellectual capacity, and really is not related. Of course it's not to say a very intelligent person can't be wise, but it doesn't mean they will be. There is just no dependence on each other.
51% of the so call smart peole justed voted !
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Some people are thinking the climate is going to rapidly change like what the movie of The Day After Tomorrow is showing.I'm putting the movie on rigt now for get a good laugh.I should expect these events to play out over the next 6 months like what the movie inquires.

I'm out for the after noon.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Oh you mean long nerm afects like what type of world my children and grand children will have to live in terms of debt and education?Sorry if I'm puting those before climate change.


You are still missing the point. It isn't about an ordering of priorities on your list of things to worry about. They are all connected. It is a multi-variable equation.
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Total sun eclipse in the Southern Hemisphere on November 13-14. I think AussieStorm will have a good view in a partial way.

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Quoting Jedkins01:


Actually its good people aren't that worried about Climate Change. What good will it do for people to panic about something which is out of their control? It's good for people to be aware of it, and do their part to be more eco-friendly, but people shouldn't be panicking over GW, people are already stressed out enough as it is.




Anyone who isn't in panic mode over GW and CC either doesn't have any children and grandchildren or they've been drinking from the same jug that had the Republicans confidently stating they would win by 80 Electoral Votes. The first step in solving a problem is recognizing it exists.

Stating it is out of our control is a cop-out. The key is in your hand; don't turn it. The wall switch is under your finger; don't flip it. We are all responsible. Now let's solve this problem.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Like the rising debt..econmey..getting money from China..our children's education..water supplies..food supplies.. all these things race across my head at night..Not GW or cimate change sorry.t's just that some of the climate change people on here it's like their wrap in their own little bubble and GW should be the 1# priority for people.Other things come first.


Sure... but this is a weather-related discussion group. It struck me as lunatic in the extreme that a state senate would even consider attempting to legislate that scientific observation of sea level be made against the law.

and, revisiting your other post, dear boy, you misrepresented the facts, I should say. It wasn't 100 feet, it was only 40. It wasn't dead and gone, but not heard from till next June. And it wasn't about you, dear heart, it was to politicians in general, the hub of the universe for which is WDC, that the remark referred to in that pre-election period.

Sigh~
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Trained spotters have reported 1.5" hail west-southwest of Chicago. While the warning has expired/ been canceled the storm is still strong. This complex could affect me later in the day.
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Not exactly...

One's decision making choices, or capabilities cannot be measured in intellect. The ability to make wise choices is not the same as intellectual comprehension. Throughout the ages, many smart people have made poor decisions. Politicians making a decision to ban reporting of sea level rise may be due to agenda, denial, or many other things. However, it does not make them stupid. As I said, there have been brilliant minds in history that were bent on foolish ideas. The path of one's life, and their decisions they make, is independent of intellectual capacity, and really is not related. Of course it's not to say a very intelligent person can't be wise, but it doesn't mean they will be. There is just no dependence on each other.
Excellent post.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2108
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1211 PM CST SAT NOV 10 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...WRN SD...S-CNTRL ND...FAR NWRN NEB

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

VALID 101811Z - 102215Z

SUMMARY...BAND OF MODERATE TO OCCASIONALLY HEAVY SNOWFALL IS
EXPECTED TO PERSIST AS IT MOVES EWD ACROSS WRN SD...S-CNTRL ND AND
FAR NWRN NEB. SNOWFALL RATES IN EXCESS OF 1 INCH/HR ARE LIKELY WITH
THE POSSIBILITY OF BRIEF PERIODS OF 2 INCHES/HR.

DISCUSSION...SURFACE ANALYSIS DEPICTS A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
EXTENDING FROM SWRN CO NEWD INTO ERN SD/FAR WRN MN. TWO SURFACE LOWS
ARE LOCATED WITHIN THIS BROAD AREA...ONE CENTERED OVER SWRN CO AND
THE OTHER OVER E-CNTRL SD. RECENT RADAR IMAGERY AND SURFACE
OBSERVATIONS INDICATE PERIODS OF MODERATE/HEAVY SNOW WITHIN A BAND
ORIENTED SW TO NE ACROSS WRN SD. ALSO OF NOTE...THE MODEL GUIDANCE
WAS TOO SLOW WITH THE ONSET OF THIS BAND.

SURFACE THETA-E FIELDS SHOW A WARM AIR ADVECTION NOSE FROM CNTRL IA
NWWD INTO CNTRL SD. THIS TRAJECTORY FAVORS ADDITIONAL MOIST
ADVECTION INTO THE REGION. STRONG FRONTOGENESIS IS ONGOING ACROSS
CNTRL NEB WITH THE FAR NORTHERN PORTION OF THE AGEOSTROPHIC
CIRCULATION LIKELY PHASING WITH LARGE SCALE LIFT ASSOCIATED WITH THE
EXIT REGION OF A STRONG JET STREAK /CURRENTLY EXTENDING FROM NWRN NM
NEWD INTO WRN NEB/. THESE DYNAMICS SHOULD FAVOR THE CONTINUATION OF
THE SNOW BAND WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME INTENSIFICATION AS IT
MOVES EWD. SNOWFALL RATES IN EXCESS OF 1 INCH/HOUR WITH BRIEF
PERIODS OF 2 INCHES/HOUR ARE ANTICIPATED.

..MOSIER.. 11/10/2012
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Quoting Naga5000:


This is part of the problem. Thinking that these issues are somehow black and white and not all interconnected. Climate change can and will have an effect on all these worries, whether you want to think climate change is man made or not. The short sightedness of only concerning ourselves with immediacies instead of looking towards long term solutions combined with a lack of seeing how the puzzle pieces interact and fit together is only going to compound these problems further.
Oh you mean long term affects like what type of world my children and grand children will have to live in terms of debt and education?.Sorry if I'm puting those before climate change.I'm not thinking about that now.Sorry If I don't see a 45 foot tidel wave crashing ino the east coast from sea level rise 10 years from now...
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The magnitude 4.3 earthquake doesn't seem powerful in comparison to the ones that occur out west, but this earthquake happened to be the second strongest in Kentucky history; a magnitude 5.2 earthquake struck the state in 1980.
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Finished my blog on the AOI, future development, and Brutus.
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Quoting Naga5000:


This is part of the problem. Thinking that these issues are somehow black and white and not all interconnected. Climate change can and will have an effect on all these worries, whether you want to think climate change is man made or not. The short sightedness of only concerning ourselves with immediacies instead of looking towards long term solutions combined with a lack of seeing how the puzzle pieces interact and fit together is only going to compound these problems further.

I agree.
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Seismic Risk in Eastern U.S. May Be Higher Than Previously Thought

Caution: The following link may expose the viewer to protocol-structured observation and fact, potentially leading to scientific ideation, which may or may not be legal in your state.


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Quoting washingtonian115:
Like the rising debt..econmey..getting money from China..our children's education..water supplies..food supplies.. all these things race across my head at night..Not GW or cimate change sorry.t's just that some of the climate change people on here it's like their wrap in their own little bubble and GW should be the 1# priority for people.Other things come first.


This is part of the problem. Thinking that these issues are somehow black and white and not all interconnected. Climate change can and will have an effect on all these worries, whether you want to think climate change is man made or not. The short sightedness of only concerning ourselves with immediacies instead of looking towards long term solutions combined with a lack of seeing how the puzzle pieces interact and fit together is only going to compound these problems further.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Like the rising debt..econmey..getting money from China..our children's education..water supplies..food supplies.. all these things race across my head at night..Not GW or cimate change sorry.t's just that some of the climate change people on here it's like their wrap in their own little bubble and GW should be the 1# priority for people.Other things come first.



It's because they are more worked up about Climate Change and therefore they assume everyone else should too. I don't want to be critical but it's the truth. People have enough things in their lives to worry about as it is, we can't throw burdens upon them which is out of their control. I'm concerned over the destruction of natural Florida. However I can't be a hero of Florida nature and save it all. I can do my part. But I'm just a human. We live in a world where increasingly people are stressed out over Global issues which one man can't control, meanwhile their own family and personal life is getting out of control.

It's trying to fix problems from the wrong approach, it doesn't work. It creates stress, and division.
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See animated cold front motion on my blog.
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AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

A severe thunderstorm is moving through the northern half of Cook County, Ill. including the Chicago area.
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Quoting lhwhelk:
The AVERAGE IQ is 100. Case closed.


Not exactly...

One's decision making choices, or capabilities cannot be measured in intellect. The ability to make wise choices is not the same as intellectual comprehension. Throughout the ages, many smart people have made poor decisions. Politicians making a decision to ban reporting of sea level rise may be due to agenda, denial, or many other things. However, it does not make them stupid. As I said, there have been brilliant minds in history that were bent on foolish ideas. The path of one's life, and their decisions they make, is independent of intellectual capacity, and really is not related. Of course it's not to say a very intelligent person can't be wise, but it doesn't mean they will be. There is just no dependence on each other.
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1 mSevere Studios‏@severestudios

Heavy snowfall rates up to 1" per hour for WRN SD... S-CNTRL ND... FAR NWRN NEB http://1.usa.gov/fJjZ9H?SPC
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A severe thunderstorm producing 1.25" hail is headed straight for Chicago, take shelter if necessary.
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Actually its good people aren't that worried about Climate Change. What good will it do for people to panic about something which is out of their control? It's good for people to be aware of it, and do their part to be more eco-friendly, but people shouldn't be panicking over GW, people are already stressed out enough as it is.


Like the rising debt..econmey..getting money from China..our children's education..water supplies..food supplies.. all these things race across my head at night..Not GW or cimate change sorry.t's just that some of the climate change people on here it's like their wrap in their own little bubble and GW should be the 1# priority for people.Other things come first.
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Severe thunderstorm warning near Chicago right now:

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Quoting ncstorm:


I could care less about climate change..Ice melting ANYWHERE is not going to convince me..NC has a lot to work on in coming around to a changing america that I can agree with..its the name calling that I cant stand on this blog..my priority along with the national exit polls show that climate change or GW is NOT a priority on most american minds..60% of americans are worried about our economy..10 years from now? heck tomorrow isnt promised to anyone..its sad that people live in this world and worry about a fictional hollywood movie tidal wave taking them out instead of focusing on their families and how to provide for them now in the present sense..you have a good day as well!


Actually its good people aren't that worried about Climate Change. What good will it do for people to panic about something which is out of their control? It's good for people to be aware of it, and do their part to be more eco-friendly, but people shouldn't be panicking over GW, people are already stressed out enough as it is.


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Quoting ncstorm:


What you said Wash is what sensible and sane people think..providing for their families..I bet Montana and Nea got the DVD of Day After Tomorrow on repeat on their DVD players on a 88 inch screen in high definition

I'm out for awhile..
This comment left me in tears.Talk about making a carbon print.
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Quoting hydrus:
November storms can be deadly. Here is one of the worst.Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950

There was an infamous November storm on this day in 1975. It was a very strong storm that affected the Great Lakes and sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald.

From the Detroit NWS:
On November 10, 1975 an infamous intense fall storm centered over the Great Lakes sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Superior. 29 crew men lost their lives because of this storm.


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Quoting washingtonian115:
MontanaZephyr wanted me and other Washingtonians dead and buried under 100 feet of snow.So don't pay them no mind.

Right now what ever climate change is doing it's tolerable.As long as it doesn't reach into it's 100's in October-March and with the Potomac river running into my house my priorities are family paying bills ect..


What you said Wash is what sensible and sane people think..providing for their families..I bet Montana and Nea got the DVD of Day After Tomorrow on repeat on their DVD players on a 88 inch screen in high definition

I'm out for awhile..
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November storms can be deadly. Here is one of the worst.Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950Surface Analysis showing cyclone near time of maximum intensity on November 25, 1950Storm type Nor'easter
Formed November 24, 1950
Dissipated November 30, 1950
Maximum amount 57 inches (1,400 mm)*
Lowest pressure 978 mbar (28.88 inHg)
Damages $66.7 million (1950 dollars)[1]
Fatalities 353
Areas affected Eastern Third of the United States and Southeast Canada..Excerpt WIKI..The Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950 was a large extratropical cyclone which moved through the Eastern United States, causing significant winds, heavy rains east of the Appalachians, and blizzard conditions along the western slopes of the mountain chain. Hurricane-force winds, peaking at 110mph in Concord, New Hampshire and 160mph in the New England highlands, disrupted power to 1,000,000 customers during the event. In all, the storm impacted 22 states, killing 353, and creating US$66.7 million in damage (1950 dollars).At the time, U.S. insurance companies paid more money out to their policy holders for damage resulting from this cyclone than for any other previous storm or hurricane.
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ABNT20 KNHC 101749
TWOAT

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
100 PM EST SAT NOV 10 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE SURFACE LOW LOCATED ABOUT 1100 MILES WEST OF THE CAPE VERDE
ISLANDS HAS WEAKENED TO A TROUGH...AND THE ASSOCIATED SHOWER
ACTIVITY HAS DIMINISHED. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...
OF A TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMING FROM THIS SYSTEM DURING THE NEXT
48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD ABOUT 15 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
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Quoting ncstorm:


I could care less about climate change..Ice melting ANYWHERE is not going to convince me..NC has a lot to work on in coming around to a changing america that I can agree with..its the name calling that I cant stand on this blog..my priority along with the national exit polls show that climate change or GW is NOT a priority on most american minds..60% of americans are worried about our economy..10 years from now? heck tomorrow isnt promised to anyone..its sad that people live in this world and worry about a fictional hollywood movie tidal wave taking them out instead of focusing on their families and how to provide for them now in the present sense..you have a good day as well!
MontanaZephyr wanted me and other Washingtonians dead and buried under 100 feet of snow.So don't pay them no mind.

Right now what ever climate change is doing it's tolerable.As long as it doesn't reach into it's 100's in October-March and with the Potomac river running into my house my priorities are family paying bills ect..
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Quoting MontanaZephyr:


Well, if it was the NC House that tired to legislate awareness of rising sea levels, or any science that might conceivably indicate that, well, you'd say "Ehn!~ ...It's just the House."

But the Senate???

If you apply the probes of any OMG meter to that one, the needle races off to the Red Zone.

Not even tearful Jesus on the Wing can intercede .
more important is the drinking water quality in our water supplies all over the country, that is an immediate concern for all
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Quoting ncstorm:


I could care less about climate change..Ice melting ANYWHERE is not going to convince me..NC has a lot to work on in coming around to a changing america that I can agree with..its the name calling that I cant stand on this blog..my priority along with the national exit polls show that climate change or GW is NOT a priority on most american minds..60% of americans are worried about our economy..10 years from now? heck tomorrow isnt promised to anyone..its sad that people live in this world and worry about a fictional hollywood movie tidal wave taking them out instead of focusing on their families and how to provide for them now in the present sense..you have a good day as well!


Well, if it was the NC House that tired to legislate out of existence awareness of rising sea levels, or any science that might conceivably indicate that, well, you'd say "Ehn!~ ...It's just the House."

But the Senate???

If you apply the probes of any OMG meter to that one, the needle races off to the Red Zone.

Not even tearful Jesus on the Wing can intercede .
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thats one powerful front in the midwest,pay attention to your local warnings folks.................................
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Quoting jerseybreakfast:
Looks like some mild weather on tap for us here in North Jersey--hopefully we can enjoy that as the snow melts and the cleanup continues. My thoughts are with all the workers out there shoveling out mud, repairing train tracks, working on utility poles, and otherwise assisting with the restoration efforts.

My mass transit situation is still a real mess. My area fared pretty well during the nor'easter and the snow is melting quickly, though, so hopefully we'll continue to see some good progress.
yes this calmer drier weather will help them with the clean up..cudo's to the workers for sure...good luck up there ok
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There is a lot of rain forecast with this next system.
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Quoting lhwhelk:
The AVERAGE IQ is 100. Case closed.


Which, if you think about it, that pretty well in itself explains why people of genius level intelligence are always going insane: People too stupid to breathe out there making decisions.


Average IQ, by definition, is 100. Each standard deviation is about 10 points. "Retards" (I forget the PC term for that at the moment, sorry) are in the '70s. Average doctor and lawyer about 120- 140. Genius is east of 140 .... 150... 170 ... imagine how frustrating it must be to have your doctor and lawyer as clueless relative to yourself as a retard is to an average person.

Any person with actual awareness in NC must feel as though they have inadvertently incarnated in a Kafka novel. Poor things!
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jus a swirl over the ocean...
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Quoting MontanaZephyr:


So, it sounds like it upsets you that it gets noticed that your civic leaders try to legislate awareness of rising sea levels out of existence?

Pff!~ That explains alot!

Please, though, don't whine here when the next ten year event sea storm glubs your coast like a thousand year event!

You have a nice day too.


I could care less about climate change..Ice melting ANYWHERE is not going to convince me..NC has a lot to work on in coming around to a changing america that I can agree with..its the name calling that I cant stand on this blog..my priority along with the national exit polls show that climate change or GW is NOT a priority on most american minds..60% of americans are worried about our economy..10 years from now? heck tomorrow isnt promised to anyone..its sad that people live in this world and worry about a fictional hollywood movie tidal wave taking them out instead of focusing on their families and how to provide for them now in the present sense..you have a good day as well!
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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