First Hurricane Sandy, now Winter Storm Athena for the Eastern U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:57 PM GMT on November 07, 2012

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Winter Storm Warnings are up for Southwest New Jersey, Northern Delaware, and Southeast Pennsylvania, including Philadelphia, PA, where Winter Storm Athena is expected to drop 3 - 5" of snow today through Thursday morning. Slushy accumulations of up to 1" are likely in Baltimore, and non-accumulating snow will fall as far south as Washington, DC. Athena, the season's first Nor'easter and first winter storm to get a name under The Weather Channel's new naming system, is spreading rain and high winds into Southern New Jersey and Eastern Long Island, NY this morning. Winds at buoy 44025, about 40 miles offshore from the coast of Central New Jersey, reached 40 mph, gusting to 49 mph, with a significant wave height of 14', at noon EST. Winds at Nantucket, MA have gusted as high as 54 mph this morning. Athena is building a storm surge that has already reached 2.2' at Atlantic City and 1.8' at New York City as of noon EST. A storm surge of 2 - 3.5' is likely along the section of coast most heavily damaged by Sandy's storm surge, and battering waves up to 20' high will cause moderate beach erosion along much of the New Jersey and New York shoreline. The storm surge will cause minor to moderate flooding during this afternoon's high tide cycle near 1 pm EST, and again at the next high tide, near 1 am EST Thursday morning. Fortunately, the high tides this week will be some of the lowest of the month, since we are midway between the new moon and full moon. Wind gusts from Athena will likely reach 50 mph along the coasts of New Jersey and Southern Long Island, NY, and could hit 60 mph on Cape Cod, Massachusetts. I expect that Athena's winds, rains, and wet, heavy snows will cause up to 50,000 new power outages today. As of early Wednesday morning, 676,000 customers were still without power in the wake of Hurricane Sandy (down from a peak of 8.5 million customers.)


Figure 1. Winter Storm Athena as seen at 9:01 am EST November 7, 2012. Image credit: NOAA/GSFC.


Figure 2. Predicted storm surge at Sandy Hook, NJ, for Winter Storm Athena, from the experimental Extratropical Storm Surge model, run by NOAA's Meteorological Development Laboratory. This model used winds from this morning's 6Z (1 am EDT) run of the GFS model. The peak storm surge (yellowish-brown line) is predicted to be 3.4', occurring Wednesday evening. High tide (green line) occurs near 1 pm Wednesday afternoon, resulting in a peak storm tide of approximately 7.2' around 1 pm Wednesday (black line). For comparison, Sandy delivered a 8.6' storm surge to Sandy Hook before their tide gauge failed, with the storm tide reaching 13.2' above MLLW (Mean Lower Low Water.)

The decision to name Athena
The Weather Channel announced in October that they would begin naming winter storms this year, in an effort to aid in raising awareness and reduce the risks the public faces. One of the main criteria for naming a storm is its impact on populated areas; the meteorology of the storm may not get it named, if the storm doesn't affect a populated area. If Hurricane Sandy had not devastated the region of coast being affected by today's Winter Storm Athena, it may not have gotten a name. With so many people still under recovery efforts even well inland, the combination of heavy, wet snow and wind prompted the decision to name Athena. The models have been trending towards more cold air getting pulled into this system, so it is possible Athena could drop heavier snows than currently advertised. The National Weather Service will not be referring to today's Nor'easter as "Athena". They put out this internal directive: "The NWS does not use named winter storms in our products. Please refrain from using the term Athena in any of our products."

Here are the peak wind gusts from Athena as of 11 am EST on Wednesday, November 7, 2012:



Jeff Masters

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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
"I am waiting for the locusts and pestilence next," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said.
If he wants locusts, it will have to get warmer. That's not a bad thing to wish for right now.
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Hmm, I went to check out our dining room window on these wires I noticed completely encased in ice and snow before and had a bad feeling about them. Sure enough, they are now hanging across our driveway. They're draped from the pole, leaning on the neighbors fence, across our driveway, and resting on our firewood. I have no idea what they are. Cable? Power? Everything is still working, for now, so at least they are connected?


I hope it's possible to even see since I know the pictures get made smaller.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

There are thunderstorms over that location right now. While there is no low that should change. A TD to TS is possible out of this area. Aren't you supposed to be on your vacation or something?


Watching from afar means that these systems won't sneak up on me. It also saves me some time when I'm trying to figure out the origins of a particular system, both of which will help for my TCRs. So, quiet.
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Quoting KoritheMan:
Already a sharp wind shift with potential Valerie as per ASCAT:



Nothing in the way of strong winds yet though. Give it a few more days.

There are thunderstorms over that location right now. While there is no low that should change. A TD to TS is possible out of this area. Aren't you supposed to be on your vacation or something?
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Quoting Progster:


This is an interesting marketing experiment now. Of course commercial competitors won't share TWC's enthusiasm for naming storms, and from the NWS perspective the practice lacks rigour, quality,and equity, and so won't meet the test of a public good.

Had the weather companies and NWS gotten together and worked out some important details in advance, and had agreed to adopt the practice collectively, it would be better for the public. But that would fly in the face of the competitive edge any private company seeks, ... .

Sorry, I am compelled to disagree with you. I wouldn't say that it is an interesting marketing experiment, just annoying, sort of like Nea's smiley faces. :P
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LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...FAIRFIELD COUNTY...
MONROE 9.0 845 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
RIDGEFIELD 8.0 840 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO
DANBURY 7.1 700 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
GREENWICH 6.0 845 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
DARIEN 6.0 800 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
STAMFORD 5.3 940 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NORTH STAMFORD 5.2 940 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NORWALK 5.2 950 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
BROOKFIELD 5.0 510 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NEW CANAAN 4.7 945 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
BRIDGEPORT 4.0 700 PM 11/07 NWS COOP
STRATFORD 3.5 519 PM 11/07 BROADCAST MEDIA
REDDING 3.0 645 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO

...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
MIDDLETOWN 5.0 707 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO
DURHAM 4.5 510 PM 11/07 BROADCAST MEDIA
WESTBROOK 3.2 930 PM 11/07 PUBLIC

...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...
CLINTONVILLE 10.5 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
HAMDEN 10.0 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
WALLINGFORD 10.0 840 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
SEYMOUR 9.0 830 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
MERIDEN 8.9 925 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NAUGATUCK 8.4 1000 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
WOLCOTT 8.0 1045 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NORTH BRANFORD 7.0 1000 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NORTH HAVEN 6.0 540 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
OXFORD 6.0 645 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO
NEW HAVEN 6.0 1015 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
ANSONIA 5.5 752 PM 11/07 AMATEUR RADIO
BRANFORD 5.0 900 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
GUILFORD 4.7 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC

...NEW LONDON COUNTY...
VOLUNTOWN 3.0 717 PM 11/07 AMATUER RADIO

NEW JERSEY

...BERGEN COUNTY...
RIDGEFIELD 7.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
RIDGEWOOD 4.8 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
MIDLAND PARK 2.8 845 PM 11/07 PUBLIC

...ESSEX COUNTY...
MILLBURN 6.0 1015 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
BLOOMFIELD 4.3 1040 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
MAPLEWOOD 2.5 655 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
WEST ORANGE 2.2 630 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NEWARK AIRPORT 2.1 700 PM 11/07 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER

...HUDSON COUNTY...
HARRISON 3.7 915 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
KEARNY 3.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
HOBOKEN 2.4 830 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...PASSAIC COUNTY...
CLIFTON 4.0 1020 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
HASKELL 3.5 800 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
WAYNE 3.0 718 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...UNION COUNTY...
BERKELEY HEIGHTS 7.5 945 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
ELIZABETH 4.3 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER

NEW YORK

...BRONX COUNTY...
PARKCHESTER 3.5 755 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
RIVERDALE 3.2 800 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
CITY ISLAND 3.0 840 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
BRONX 2.5 645 PM 11/07 NWS COOP

...KINGS COUNTY...
1 NNW KENSINGTON 3.0 858 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
SHEEPSHEAD BAY 3.0 800 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...KINGS (BROOKLYN) COUNTY...
SHEEPSHEAD BAY 3.5 1030 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER

...NASSAU COUNTY...
ALBERTSON 7.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
WANTAGH 4.1 955 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
GARDEN CITY 3.4 745 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
NEW HYDE PARK 3.0 830 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
MERRICK 3.0 900 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
BETHPAGE 2.8 802 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE
JERICHO 2.5 625 PM 11/07 PUBLIC

...NEW YORK COUNTY...
CENTRAL PARK 3.9 950 PM 11/07 ASOS
HAMILTON HOUSES 2.0 1000 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...ORANGE COUNTY...
WARWICK 4.7 1025 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
HARRIMAN 4.5 925 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
BLOOMING GROVE 4.1 834 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
MONROE 4.1 725 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
CORNWALL LANDING 4.0 940 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
GOSHEN 3.9 745 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
MIDDLETOWN 3.9 705 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
NEWBURGH 3.0 900 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
NEW WINDSOR 2.6 716 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
WASHINGTONVILLE 2.1 834 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...PUTNAM COUNTY...
KENT CLIFFS 6.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
MAHOPAC 6.0 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER

...QUEENS COUNTY...
BAYSIDE 6.5 1030 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
WHITESTONE 6.1 800 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
FRESH MEADOWS 6.1 920 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
HOWARD BEACH 6.0 1000 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
MIDDLE VILLAGE 6.0 1000 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
ASTORIA 4.2 730 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NYC/JFK AIRPORT 2.1 700 PM 11/07 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER
FOREST HILLS 2.0 734 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
NYC/LA GUARDIA 0.7 700 PM 11/07 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER

...RICHMOND COUNTY...
GREAT KILLS 6.4 945 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
FORT WADSWORTH 3.0 920 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE
ANNADALE 2.8 649 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
BAY TERRACE 2.2 700 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER

...ROCKLAND COUNTY...
WEST NYACK 1.0 527 PM 11/07 PUBLIC

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
STONY BROOK 2.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
ST. JAMES 2.2 630 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
CENTEREACH 2.0 1045 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE
LAKE GROVE 1.6 805 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
SOUTH HUNTINGTON 1.5 636 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
EAST NORTHPORT 1.5 900 PM 11/07 SKYWARN SPOTTER
PORT JEFFERSON 1.5 835 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
MOUNT SINAI 1.1 645 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE
ISLIP AIRPORT 1.0 700 PM 11/07 FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER
HOLBROOK 0.9 600 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
PATCHOGUE 0.5 835 PM 11/07 NWS EMPLOYEE
LAKE RONKONKOMA 0.3 528 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
UPTON 0.1 700 PM 11/07 NWS OFFICE

...WESTCHESTER COUNTY...
ARMONK 7.6 820 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
SOMERS 6.5 945 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
LARCHMONT 6.0 1015 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
SCARSDALE 6.0 730 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
MOUNT KISCO 6.0 745 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
YONKERS 5.0 1030 PM 11/07 EMERGENCY MANAGER
OSSINING 4.5 1030 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 4.0 607 PM 11/07 TRAINED SPOTTER
BRONXVILLE 4.0 615 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
HARRISON 2.0 626 PM 11/07 PUBLIC
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When the NAO goes negative and you get a low going, you get this...
00z GFS at 372hrs:
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416 SyriboTigereyes: ...giant chunks of our big tree in the back yard are all over our yard and on top of the fence between ours and our neighbors yard. And the other branches are so weighed down by snow and ice...
reminded me of
blog2288page16comment762 klaatuborada: Winds are really starting to pick up. Something was banging against the house and woke me up. I'm groggy, but I'll have to go out and check it.

Has anybody heard from her since? Or know the latest conditions on Martha'sVineyard and Nantucket?
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Already a sharp wind shift with potential Valerie as per ASCAT:



Nothing in the way of strong winds yet though. Give it a few more days.
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Quoting MTWX:


Not so much to do with the winds this time around... That heavy wet snow takes out the tree branches still with leaves, which takes out the power...

True, but most of the weakened trees or trees with lots of leaves were taken out by Sandy. Still though, power outages are possible with wet snow.
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451. MTWX
Quoting wxchaser97:

As long as the winds don't get too strong you should keep power. One can only imagine what people in your area have had to go through lately.


Not so much to do with the winds this time around... That heavy wet snow takes out the tree branches still with leaves, which takes out the power...
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Quoting Neapolitan:
I think it's partly that, but I also think much of the complaining is from people who just don't like the Weather Channel. They aren't willing (or able) to differentiate between the bad things that network does (too many reality-type shows) and the good things (great storm coverage), so rather than compare each of TWC's actions on its own merits, they simply demonize everything.

I'll say this much: if TWC's goal in naming some winter storms was to garner publicity and interest, posting hundreds of comments about how wrong you think they are is a surefire way to ensure they continue doing it. ;-)


The concept of a public service seems a little lost on you, Neo. But first, to set the record straight, I haven't seen any posts lately that complain about TWC's coverage of storms. So I'm not quite sure what you are talking about when you say that most of the complaining is from people who don't like TWC. In fact, if I had to guess, most people on this site probably like the weather channel, as it is solely focused on one of their own great interests.

Now to the point. As arguably the most relevant aspect of weather forecasting are severe weather alerts and advisories, and that these warnings are not useful unless seen and or heard, and then acted on, anything that draws public attention to them is potentially useful. However, for information (or more precisely, advice) to be useful,it must be unambiguous. In that sense, the use of a naming convention for winter storms by an entity as far reaching as TWC that is shared neither by its lesser competitors nor by the NWS creates the risk of ambiguity in the message. It may be difficult to correlate the differences in messages between different suppliers.

The second problem is one of consistency. Names are given to tropical systems in a regular and well understood way that is connected to their thermodynamic properties, their intensity and their potential to do damage. As far as I can tell, the naming convention for winter storms is related primarily to the number of people they could potentially affect. Other metrics, like storm intensity, duration, and other properties are not well defined. In a sense, that's an understandable metric...why would TWC care about naming significant systems in an area with a minor audience...but its not an equitable one. So service varies with population, and from one named winter storm to the next there could be a great variety in the effects experienced...and so the naming of the storm may not tell you much about what to expect.

This is an interesting marketing experiment now. Of course commercial competitors won't share TWC's enthusiasm for naming storms, and from the NWS perspective the practice lacks rigor, quality and equity, and so won't meet the test of a public good.

Had the weather companies and NWS gotten together and worked out some important details in advance, and had agreed to adopt the practice collectively, it would be better for the public. But that would fly in the face of the competitive edge any private company seeks, and its why its important, in the end, to continue to support NWS. It doesn't have a private interest to cultivate when it comes to warning the public. Private interests, by definition, do not act on behalf of the public good, even when they seem to be doing so.
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449. MTWX
Good link for tracking the Montana Storm.

NOAA Weather and Hazards Data Viewer
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Quoting SyriboTigereyes:

It has been one heck of a 10 days over here for sure! It's now 11:30PM and I am honestly shocked our power is on still. It hasn't flickered in a while either. Maybe we might actually keep it this time.

As long as the winds don't get too strong you should keep power. One can only imagine what people in your area have had to go through lately.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

I got to say, especially for November, that is a good snowfall.

It has been one heck of a 10 days over here for sure! It's now 11:30PM and I am honestly shocked our power is on still. It hasn't flickered in a while either. Maybe we might actually keep it this time.
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Quoting VaStormGuy:



"Puerto Rico has to be a state. There is no other option," said 25-year-old Jerome Lefebre, who picked up his grandfather before driving to the polls. "We're doing OK, but we could do better. We would receive more benefits, a lot more financial help."






Meanwhile on a highway in CT.
Link


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445. MTWX
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
If they call Brutus out west, will it be because he's threatening Bozeman and Bismarck? Or because he's nearing Denver? lol Well, at least it makes winter weather more interesting.

... Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 5 am Thursday to
11 am MST Saturday...

A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 5 am Thursday to
11 am MST Saturday.

* Timing: snow will develop over the mountains across central
Montana late night and expand north onto the plains on Thursday
morning. The snow will be heavy at times Thursday afternoon
through Friday afternoon.

* Snow accumulations: total snow accumulations through Saturday
morning of one to two feet are expected in the mountains... with
8 to 14 inches expected at lower elevations.

* Winds: northeast winds 15 to 20 mph... with gusts to 35 mph will
result in areas of blowing and drifting snow... especially over
open areas and through mountain passes.

* Visibility: visibilities will be reduced to less than one
half mile at times in areas of heavy snow and blowing snow.

* Impacts: difficult travel conditions are expected from Thursday
afternoon through Friday afternoon. Those spending time outdoors
need to be prepared for rapidly changing and winter conditions.

* Locations affected include: Fairfield... Choteau... White Sulphur
Springs... Stanford... Browning... Marias Pass... Conrad... Cut
Bank... Great Falls... Kings Hill Pass... .Flesher
Pass... Helena... Lincoln... MacDonald Pass and Rogers Pass.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow means severe winter weather
conditions are expected or occurring. Significant amounts of
snow are forecast that will make travel and outdoor activities
dangerous. Only travel in an emergency and keep an extra
flashlight... food... and water in your vehicle in case of an
emergency.

For specific Road and travel conditions in Montana... dial 5 1 1.


.....

Goodnight, sleep tight, hope you don't get a Cantore bite.


Don't forget the Blizzard Warnings too.....


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GREAT FALLS MT
859 PM MST WED NOV 7 2012

MTZ047-081400-
/O.CON.KTFX.BZ.W.0004.121108T1800Z-121110T1800Z/
BLAINE-
INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS...CHINOOK
859 PM MST WED NOV 7 2012

...BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM THURSDAY TO
11 AM MST SATURDAY...

A BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM THURSDAY TO 11 AM
MST SATURDAY.

* TIMING: SNOW WILL DEVELOP OVER BLAINE COUNTY BY LATE THURSDAY
MORNING...AND THEN CONTINUE UNTIL LATE SATURDAY MORNING. THE
SNOW WILL BE HEAVY AT TIMES LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH
FRIDAY AFTERNOON. STRONG EAST WINDS ARE ALSO EXPECTED...
CREATING BLIZZARD CONDITIONS.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS: TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH SATURDAY
MORNING OF TWO TO THREE FEET ARE LIKELY IN THE MOUNTAINS WITH
OVER ONE FOOT ACROSS THE PLAINS.

* WINDS: EAST WINDS 25 TO 35 MPH...WITH GUSTS TO 45 MPH WILL
CREATE SIGNIFICANT BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF THE SNOW.

* VISIBILITY: VISIBILITIES WILL BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN ONE
QUARTER OF A MILE AT TIMES IN HEAVY SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW.

* IMPACTS: DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED FROM
THURSDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON. THOSE SPENDING
TIME OUTDOORS NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR RAPIDLY CHANGING AND
WINTER CONDITIONS.

* LOCATIONS AFFECTED INCLUDE: CHINOOK

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A BLIZZARD WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. FALLING AND BLOWING SNOW WITH STRONG WINDS
AND POOR VISIBILITIES ARE LIKELY. THIS WILL LEAD TO WHITEOUT
CONDITIONS...MAKING TRAVEL EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. DO NOT TRAVEL. IF
YOU MUST TRAVEL...HAVE A WINTER SURVIVAL KIT WITH YOU. IF YOU GET
STRANDED...STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE.

FOR SPECIFIC ROAD AND TRAVEL CONDITIONS IN MONTANA...DIAL 5 1 1.

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Quoting bappit:

Not a large enough cable market to make it worth naming.


That sucks.
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Quoting AussieStorm:






Wow! that pressure plot from New York looks eerily similar to the plot of the NYSE for today!
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Quoting mo999999999:
A winter storm is also affecting the west to and it was crazy in Alberta Canada because of this storm today.

Not a large enough cable market to make it worth naming.
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A winter storm is also affecting the west to and it was crazy in Alberta Canada because of this storm today.
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Quoting SyriboTigereyes:

I can't even tell you because some areas are so high and some aren't. Like here on our deck chairs and the cooler, you can see it's way less than on our grill


I think we got about 5" at least. Walking on the deck, it was well over my ankle.

I got to say, especially for November, that is a good snowfall.
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Quoting ADCS:


Good lord, the "Et tu, Brute" puns will be insufferable


"Beware the Ides of March."
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I heard Big Bird is having a happy happy party.

: )
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


wow...how much is that
like a foot? or more?

I can't even tell you because some areas are so high and some aren't. Like here on our deck chairs and the cooler, you can see it's way less than on our grill


I think we got about 5" at least. Walking on the deck, it was well over my ankle.
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Quoting aspectre:
419 ADCS: Good lord, the "Et tu, Brute" puns will be insufferable

Which always made me wonder what Julius et 2 of.


Romeo'd what juli et.
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Quoting aspectre:
296 Barefootontherocks: ...what you mean by NWS "getting huffy."

Basicly, official NWS sent a directive down to the real NWS:
Don't you dare call this Athena if you don't want your career to be a trip through hell.

Not that I think the real NWS's lead forecasters (who write the advisories) woulda used Athena anyways, but such petty censorship doesn't paint a flattering picture of the NWS leadership.
What next, "don't you dare use blob"?
Oh, LOL. I read the directive. I disagree. Appropriate communication for any chain of command, business or government is not petty censorship. This was appropriate and left no doubt in the mind of any underling. Surely the NWS has not yet caught onto that conspiracy theory about TWC being after their jobs.
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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Love the irony...

Ryan Maue grumbling on Twitter about TWC naming

...but

uses the hashtag

#Athena

so he will be "seen" by a search

: )

Have to love it when a marketing plan comes together. Any publicity is good publicity.
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Tri-State Weather

Here's the good news, the lifting has reached a peak and should start to pivot over the next 3 hours. The storm will slowly come to an end from west to east between 2 AM and 5 AM. ---Meteorologist Steven Dimartino
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Link

A pretty good read. This is why I'm just calling this another big Nor'Easter; the naming thing just sprung up too quickly and I cannot buy into it.

I think it's useful, but as TWC mentioned themselves, the naming system is more a social experiment than anything.

By the way, I think we might have an invest tomorrow, it looks like Tony 2.0 aaaaaand has the model support.
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not really showing up on radar, but its def snowing in D.C. with sleet mixed in
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Quoting SyriboTigereyes:

Was not expecting this much snow. I went out on the deck to check just how deep it was, and was shocked. Also, giant chunks of our big tree in the back yard are all over our yard and on top of the fence between ours and our neighbors yard. And the other branches are so weighed down by snow and ice, they are touching the ground.


wow...how much is that
like a foot? or more?
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3 stations reporting heavy snow
KHVN: New Haven, Tweed-New Haven Airport, CT, United States
KNEL: Lakehurst Naval Air Stn, NJ, United States
KNYC: New York City, Central Park, NY, United States
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1 station reporting near-blizzard conditions
KHVN: New Haven, Tweed-New Haven Airport, CT, United States
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1 station reporting thundersnow
KXLL: Allentown-Queen City, PA, United States
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Quoting richdelb:
I REALLY dislike the naming of winter storms by the Weather Channel. This self serving BS makes me less likely than I already am to watch.



oh well get overe it it is what it is
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3 stations reporting wind gusts 50-59kt
KACK: Nantucket, Nantucket Memorial Airport, MA, United States [52kt, 26m/s]
KFMH: Otis Air National Guard Base, MA, United States [50kt, 25m/s]
KACK: Nantucket, Nantucket Memorial Airport, MA, United States [53kt, 27m/s]
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I REALLY dislike the naming of winter storms by the Weather Channel. This self serving BS makes me less likely than I already am to watch.
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419 ADCS: Good lord, the "Et tu, Brute" puns will be insufferable

Which always made me wonder what Julius et 2 of.
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296 Barefootontherocks: ...what you mean by NWS "getting huffy."

Basicly, official NWS sent a directive down to the real NWS:
Don't you dare call this Athena if you don't want your career to be a trip through hell.

Not that I think the real NWS's lead forecasters (who write the advisories) woulda used Athena anyways, but such petty censorship doesn't paint a flattering picture of the NWS leadership.
What next, "Don't you dare use blob..."?
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419. ADCS
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Weather Channel stated that the major winter storm in the West may require a name shortly as well. If so, it would be called Brutus.


Good lord, the "Et tu, Brute" puns will be insufferable
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If they call Brutus out west, will it be because he's threatening Bozeman and Bismarck? Or because he's nearing Denver? lol Well, at least it makes winter weather more interesting.

... Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 5 am Thursday to
11 am MST Saturday...

A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 5 am Thursday to
11 am MST Saturday.

* Timing: snow will develop over the mountains across central
Montana late night and expand north onto the plains on Thursday
morning. The snow will be heavy at times Thursday afternoon
through Friday afternoon.

* Snow accumulations: total snow accumulations through Saturday
morning of one to two feet are expected in the mountains... with
8 to 14 inches expected at lower elevations.

* Winds: northeast winds 15 to 20 mph... with gusts to 35 mph will
result in areas of blowing and drifting snow... especially over
open areas and through mountain passes.

* Visibility: visibilities will be reduced to less than one
half mile at times in areas of heavy snow and blowing snow.

* Impacts: difficult travel conditions are expected from Thursday
afternoon through Friday afternoon. Those spending time outdoors
need to be prepared for rapidly changing and winter conditions.

* Locations affected include: Fairfield... Choteau... White Sulphur
Springs... Stanford... Browning... Marias Pass... Conrad... Cut
Bank... Great Falls... Kings Hill Pass... .Flesher
Pass... Helena... Lincoln... MacDonald Pass and Rogers Pass.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow means severe winter weather
conditions are expected or occurring. Significant amounts of
snow are forecast that will make travel and outdoor activities
dangerous. Only travel in an emergency and keep an extra
flashlight... food... and water in your vehicle in case of an
emergency.

For specific Road and travel conditions in Montana... dial 5 1 1.


.....

Goodnight, sleep tight, hope you don't get a Cantore bite.
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Was not expecting this much snow. I went out on the deck to check just how deep it was, and was shocked. Also, giant chunks of our big tree in the back yard are all over our yard and on top of the fence between ours and our neighbors yard. And the other branches are so weighed down by snow and ice, they are touching the ground.
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Love the irony...

Ryan Maue grumbling on Twitter about TWC naming

...but

uses the hashtag

#Athena

so he will be "seen" by a search

: )
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Winter storm Athena, still looking somewhat dangerous.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Not in Palm Beach County. They do in Miami/Dade.
No delivery yet in Broward, but soon!
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Quoting CosmicEvents:
Burger king delivers where I live. Are you located in the US?


mannn, I feel deprived :(
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Mike Seidel
@mikeseidel

How surreal is this? Snowfall on the temporary dune built just 9 days after Sandy wiped out the previous dune line. pic.twitter.com/4BxYr9wC
11:12pm Wed Nov 07

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