Nor'easter coming Wednesday and Thursday

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:26 PM GMT on November 05, 2012

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An early-season Nor'easter will form off the coast of South Carolina on Tuesday evening. Once over the warm waters off the coast, the low will intensify, spreading heavy rains of 1 - 2" over coastal North Carolina on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada, and intensify into a medium-strength Nor'easter with a central pressure near 984 mb by Wednesday evening. While the exact track of the storm still has considerable uncertainty, the models are pretty unified on the timing and strength of this storm. A 12-hour period of strong winds of 40 - 45 mph will likely affect portions of the coast from Maryland to Massachusetts. A more westerly track, as currently predicted by our top model, the European ECMWF model, would likely result in the storm's strongest winds affecting the New Jersey coast. A storm surge of 2 - 4 feet would likely hit the New Jersey coast, and a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet would likely impact the western end of Long Island Sound. These surges would be accompanied by high, battering waves, capable of causing moderate to locally severe erosion along the coastal areas pounded by Hurricane Sandy last week. Fortunately, the high tides this week will be some of the lowest of the month, since we are midway between when the new moon and full moon occur. A more easterly track for the storm, as predicted by the GFS model, would put the Nor'easter's strongest winds along eastern Long Island and coastal Massachusetts, resulting in lower storm surges for New Jersey and New York City. Accompanying the storm will be a swath of 2 - 3" of rain, with the heaviest rains falling over Eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island. The storm isn't going to tap into a large reservoir of cold, Arctic air, which will limit its intensity and snowfall amounts. Snow is not expected in coastal area, but the Nor'easter has the potential to bring more than a foot of snow to mountain areas of New England.


Figure 1. Predicted wind speed for Wednesday evening, November 7, 2012, from the ECMWF model (left) and GFS model (right). The ECMWF model was run using data from 00Z (7 pm EST) Sunday night, and the GFS model was run using data beginning at 06Z (1 am EST) on Monday. Winds tropical storm-force (39+ mph) are predicted to extend from coastal Virginia to Massachusetts.


Figure 2. Predicted storm surge at Atlantic City, NJ for Wednesday's Nor'easter, from the experimental Extratropical Storm Surge model, run by NOAA"s Meteorological Development Laboratory. This model used winds from this morning's 6Z (1 am EDT) run of the GFS model. The peak storm surge (yellowish-brown line) is predicted to be 3.3', occurring just after midnight local time on Wednesday night. High tide (green line) occurs near 1 am Thursday morning, resulting in a peak storm tide of approximately 7.4' around 1 am Thursday (black line). For comparison, Sandy delivered a 5.81' storm surge to Atlantic City, with the highest storm tide reaching 8.9' above MLLW.

Jeff Masters

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272. Chicklit
2:12 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Link Climate Central Home Page
This site was in Doc's blog about a week ago.

LinkWV Loop Eastern US
...DISCUSSION...

GULF OF MEXICO...
WATER VAPOR IMAGERY INDICATES WESTERLY FLOW ALOFT ACROSS MUCH OF THE GULF THIS EVENING WITH A VIGOROUS MIDDLE TO UPPER LEVEL SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED MID-LEVEL LOW PROGRESSING E-SE OVER THE MID-MISSISSIPPI AND TENNESSEE RIVER VALLEYS.
CURRENTLY A LINGERING SLOW-MOVING AND NEARLY STALLED COLD FRONT EXTENDS ACROSS THE CENTRAL FLORIDA PENINSULA AND INTO THE EAST-CENTRAL GULF FROM THE TAMPA BAY REGION WESTWARD TO 27N90W. THIS FRONT IS EXPECTED TO DRIFT NORTHWARD THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS AND LIFT NORTHWARD AS A WARM FRONT THROUGH EARLY TUESDAY AS SURFACE LOW PRESSURE MOVES AND DEVELOPS ACROSS THE SE CONUS.
WITHIN 24 TO 36 HOURS LOW PRESSURE IS EXPECTED TO BE LOCATED OVER NORTHERN FLORIDA WITH A COLD FRONT DRAPED FROM THE LOW ACROSS THE NORTHERN GULF WATERS. STRONGER NORTHERLY WINDS IN THE RANGE OF 15 TO 20 KT ARE FORECAST N OF 26N BY LATE TUESDAY.
OTHERWISE...GLOBAL MODEL DATA INDICATES A STRONG SUBTROPICAL JET LIES ALOFT OVER THE NORTHERN GULF WHICH IS RESULTING IN BROKEN TO OVERCAST MULTILAYERED CLOUDINESS WITHIN 150 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 27N82W TO 22N98W. A FEW ISOLATED SHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THIS AREA OF INCREASED CLOUDINESS.
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271. avthunder
2:06 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.
Too bad we have not developed any kind of techniques to control births.....
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270. wxmod
2:02 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
So when do you suppose the United Nations will call so called contrails and ship trails a geoengineering project? What, does the weather community have to make a press release, or is the satellite photo obvious enough.

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269. breald
2:00 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
U.S. Coastguard write up about the Bounty rescue:

http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of -the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/


I had the pleasure of meeting the crew of the Bounty when they were docked in Massachusetts last year. My dog was mesmerized by the ship and the crew got a kick out of him. I have pictures of my dogs with the crew. It is very sad.
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268. wxmod
1:52 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
These so called 'contrails' are fifteen miles wide and a thousand miles long. There are lots of them, so I would think you could call this GEOENGINEERING. They are changing the weather and I don't really care if you call it chemtrails or fluffy white cirrus, it's still a huge environmental problem, one that certainly could contribute to a noreaster.

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267. HouGalv08
1:51 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
maybe metal roll downs from the top of window you can have both electric and manual
KOTG....thanks, I'd forgotten about those. Wish I could have had them built in when the house was built, but I didn't have a say in that part of the design. I forgot to add that these are windows that face the street, highly architectural, so any covering would have to be made that can be put in place and removed when not in use. My bad for not mentioning that in the original post.
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266. MTWX
1:44 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Our Nor'easter in the making??? Link
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265. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
1:42 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
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264. Chicklit
1:41 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting pottery:
I'm seeing a nasty situation developing again with this coming storm.

Question...

The surge is predicted to be around 7.5 feet.
Are there any barriers left to help keep it out ?

Atlantic City is in trouble again.
92.9% of everything is below 7 feet in Atlantic City.
Link Climate Central Atlantic City, NJ
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263. wxmod
1:39 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Crater Lake, Oregon. Not a natural cloud in the sky. MODIS satellite photo.

http://lance2.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/maps erv.cgi?map=usecase_all_download_20121105.map&LAYE RS=Aqua250 Admin_Bound&mode=map&imgext=-123.0037 42.2404 -121.1744 43.2868&mapext=-123.0037 42.2404 -121.1744 43.2868&map_size=832.6354119253479 476.2858443331809&imgx=832.6354119253479&imgy=476. 2858443331809&imgxy=832.6354119253479 476.2858443331809&map_imagetype=JPEG
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262. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
1:39 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting HouGalv08:
Change of subject, somewhat. Need any ones thought/ideas on a problem that's got me stumped. I've gotten all the hurricane shutters designed and together for the next big blow here in Houston, except for the two front windows of the house. The windows are about 4 feet by 4 feet and surrounded by decorative brick flush with window edge that I cannot drill through. No "internal" edge where I could use a Plylox clip, as I will use for the other windows. How can I cover or protect these windows from projectiles or wind pressure? I think projectiles are the larger concern due to all the trees in the vicinity. Any and all ideas appreciated!
maybe metal roll downs from the top of window you can have both electric and manual
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261. wxmod
1:35 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
The veritable septic tank of atmosphere comin our way. MODIS Aqua satellite photo just released by NASA

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260. HouGalv08
1:26 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Change of subject, somewhat. Need any ones thought/ideas on a problem that's got me stumped. I've gotten all the hurricane shutters designed and together for the next big blow here in Houston, except for the two front windows of the house. The windows are about 4 feet by 4 feet and surrounded by decorative brick flush with window edge that I cannot drill through. No "internal" edge where I could use a Plylox clip, as I will use for the other windows. How can I cover or protect these windows from projectiles or wind pressure? I think projectiles are the larger concern due to all the trees in the vicinity. Any and all ideas appreciated!
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259. Dakster
1:20 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting aquak9:


(yanks klaatuborada outta line, shoves FLWeatherFreak91 to front of line)


Behave Water Dog!!!


No one should be in that line.

And Gro - I thought you were already 94999 years old bud. Old age is causing you to regress my friend. :)

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258. Katelynn
1:20 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Hey Everyone - been lurking in the background since Sandy. Wanted to thank everyone for their great reporting and hope this next storm stays far enough offshore for NJ and beyond.

Caicos - I don't know if you already posted this link? I might've missed it, as you've been keeping everyone up to date with all the news articles (Thanks!).

It's the Sandy before and after photos from abc.net.au - just scroll over each photo for the NOAA aftermath shots

Before and After Photos - Sandy - Google Maps/NOAA

If anyone on a coastline doesn't yet get-it, just share that link with them!



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257. wxmod
1:18 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting klaatuborada:


Keep your undies from getting in a bundle. If you bothered to read the whole thing you'd see that I said I'd be one of the first to go. You know that quote, "people with immune disorders..." that you hear all the time? Well, that's me, so I'm already at the head of the line. Quit pushing.


I personally hope you live to a hundred and twelve.
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256. wxmod
1:14 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting klaatuborada:


Sorry, I don't think I can blame the US for what China is doing, or any other country. And if you want to put the blame anywhere point it at everybody. The slogan 'Humans Must Conquer Nature' came to epitomize attitudes and actions during the Mao years.

Prior to 1968, the Japanese believed in "conquering nature" to find happiness, and the Hindus believe that the whole history of mankind is an attempt to conquer nature and become God himself. And not just our inner nature.

It's too simplistic to put this all on the US. It is man over the ages, man thinking he should "conquer" nature and have control over it, instead of learning to live in conjunction with it.

It means less convenience, less use of power, fossil fuels, etc. It means sacrifice, but until people are willing to do it, nothing's going to happen.

Ooops, gotta go, Monday Night Football.


The US tapped into global trade for the cheap labor and lax controls. We were clearly on top of the food chain when the free trade agreement was signed. We set the agenda. Now we're reaping the disasters of our lack of insisting on labor equality and environmental controls. Yes it was the US that created the problem, and WE need to fix it.
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255. aquak9
1:14 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting klaatuborada:


Keep your undies from getting in a bundle. If you bothered to read the whole thing you'd see that I said I'd be one of the first to go. You know that quote, "people with immune disorders..." that you hear all the time? Well, that's me, so I'm already at the head of the line. Quit pushing.


(yanks klaatuborada outta line, shoves FLWeatherFreak91 to front of line)
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254. GTcooliebai
1:13 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
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253. klaatuborada
1:07 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
well how about you go ahead and help by removing yourself from the population?


Keep your undies from getting in a bundle. If you bothered to read the whole thing you'd see that I said I'd be one of the first to go. You know that quote, "people with immune disorders..." that you hear all the time? Well, that's me, so I'm already at the head of the line. Quit pushing.
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252. longislander102
1:07 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
***crying** at the thought of another storm here on Long Island, New York.
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251. wxmod
1:06 AM GMT on November 06, 2012
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
well how about you go ahead and help by removing yourself from the population?


That is a truly ugly thing to say.
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Quoting Grothar:


I just want to make it to 950.


lol!
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Quoting wxmod:


Our environment is created by our culture of waste-for-profit, and that culture is spreading to the rest of the world. Until the so called free trade agreement, there was no global pollution, except from volcanoes. In the free trade agreement there should have been human rights and environmental controls. The environmental catastrophe happens because all the really disgusting deeds of corporate America are being outsourced to countries that have no environmental or human rights controls. All the shipping pollution would stop if we manufactured everything for ourselves with our own materials and ingenuity. That would be very good for the weather.


Sorry, I don't think I can blame the US for what China is doing, or any other country. And if you want to put the blame anywhere point it at everybody. The slogan 'Humans Must Conquer Nature' came to epitomize attitudes and actions during the Mao years.

Prior to 1968, the Japanese believed in "conquering nature" to find happiness, and the Hindus believe that the whole history of mankind is an attempt to conquer nature and become God himself. And not just our inner nature.

It's too simplistic to put this all on the US. It is man over the ages, man thinking he should "conquer" nature and have control over it, instead of learning to live in conjunction with it.

It means less convenience, less use of power, fossil fuels, etc. It means sacrifice, but until people are willing to do it, nothing's going to happen.

Ooops, gotta go, Monday Night Football.
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U.S. Coastguard write up about the Bounty rescue:

http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/11/shipmate-of -the-week-rescuers-of-the-hms-bounty/
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Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.


That is why we need to terraform Mars or another planet. Yes, that will not be within my lifetime (or my kids lifetime) -- but one day.

Eventually we will eat all the food the Earth can create and you will have that epidemic.
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Quoting Bielle:

Mine is the same it has been since 2008.
OK. Maybe you're on classic then which would show up in the url in your browser. On classic in the upper right of the page, there would be a link to "New Website" and that would take you to the new wu.
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:
LOL, sully. I almost had to say something.

Why is my user name at the top of the new wu page lit up like a rusty old Christmas tree? Someone else asked this the other day, maybe TA 13. Does it go way or do you stay rusty forever?


it might be that they want $ for re-upping your membership? I think it turns rust-colored thirty days before your membership expires.
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Quoting pottery:

Wont be long, then....


Look who's not far behind.
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Quoting seer2012:
Gro,that shouldn't be a problem!I am sure that by now you are too tuff for the soylent green machine!


They'll never catch me.
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Quoting Bielle:

Mine is the same it has been since 2008.


No comment.
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Quoting Grothar:


I just want to make it to 950.

Wont be long, then....
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Gro,that shouldn't be a problem!I am sure that by now you are too tuff for the soylent green machine!
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Versus the old "classic" site.

Mine is the same it has been since 2008.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It's still red, lol.
Thanks, lol
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Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.


I just want to make it to 950.
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Quoting Bielle:


What "new WU page" -for a start?
Versus the old "classic" site.
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:
LOL, sully. I almost had to say something.

Why is my user name at the top of the new wu page lit up like a rusty old Christmas tree? Someone else asked this the other day, maybe TA 13. Does it go way or do you stay rusty forever?

It's still red, lol.
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:
LOL, sully. I almost had to say something.

Why is my user name at the top of the new wu page lit up like a rusty old Christmas tree? Someone else asked this the other day, maybe TA 13. Does it go way or do you stay rusty forever?


What "new WU page" -for a start?
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LOL, sully. I almost had to say something.
Quoting sullivanweather:
I'm gonna leave it alone...


Why is my user name at the top of the new wu page lit up like a rusty old Christmas tree? Someone else asked this the other day, maybe TA 13. Does it go way or do you stay rusty forever?
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Quoting aislinnpaps:


I was reading about one place there, sorry, don't remember which place, and they were talking about that. They said were saying it would take months at minimum to rebuild the barriers, but expect it to take longer as the emphasis will be on clean up and rebuilding houses, etc., first.

Double Whammy, then.
Horrors .
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Quoting pottery:
I'm seeing a nasty situation developing again with this coming storm.

Question...

The surge is predicted to be around 7.5 feet.
Are there any barriers left to help keep it out ?


I was reading about one place there, sorry, don't remember which place, and they were talking about that. They were saying it would take months at minimum to rebuild the barriers, but expect it to take longer as the emphasis will be on clean up and rebuilding houses, etc., first.
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229. wxmod
Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.


Our environment is created by our culture of waste-for-profit, and that culture is spreading to the rest of the world. Until the so called free trade agreement, there was no global pollution, except from volcanoes. In the free trade agreement there should have been human rights and environmental controls. The environmental catastrophe happens because all the really disgusting deeds of corporate America are being outsourced to countries that have no environmental or human rights controls. All the shipping pollution would stop if we manufactured everything for ourselves with our own materials and ingenuity. That would be very good for the weather.
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I'm seeing a nasty situation developing again with this coming storm.

Question...

The surge is predicted to be around 7.5 feet.
Are there any barriers left to help keep it out ?
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Quoting sullivanweather:
I'm gonna leave it alone...


Hey Sully,
My sister in Sullivan County got her electric back yesterday. When did you get yours back?
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Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.


Sounds bad but it's true.
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I'm gonna leave it alone...
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Quoting klaatuborada:
If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.
Very true. Genetically speaking, we were never intended to live as long as we currently do. Medical advances have greatly expanded our average life expectancy, but we are now overpopulating the planet as a consequence.
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If you go into a market in China you'll see that they eat everything, and I mean everything. When you've got that many people to feed, whatever can be eaten is eaten.

In the 1970's in the US, Cod was considered the "poor man's chicken", cheaper than chicken, many here on Cape Cod would eat it rather than anything else. Now it's 14.99 a pound fresh off the boat, because of the foreign trawlers with their nets taking everything they can get out of the sea, especially the Chinese and Japanese trawlers.

You know what's wrong with the planet? There are too many people. Diseases keep getting conquered, outbreaks keep getting stopped and there's more and more of us surviving, using up more and more resources. Humans are living too long, and we're not dying like we should be. I'll be one of the first to go if an epidemic hits, but I'm at peace with that. We're born to die, at best we have a good life and experience love and beauty. If we all want to truly save the planet, then there can't be so many of us. It would be great if we could get off the planet, and colonize elsewhere, but I doubt it will be soon enough to save the Earth.
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I think something is trying to lurk here in the deep south soon as for winter weather. I really hope that we can see a good snow this year, heck i'll take ice also.
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