Moderate-strength Nor'easter may hit Sandy-devastated areas Wednesday

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:16 PM GMT on November 02, 2012

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Storm-weary U.S. residents pounded by Superstorm Sandy may have a new storm to contend with next Wednesday: an early-season Nor'easter is expected to impact the mid-Atlantic and New England with strong winds and heavy rain. Our two top models, the European (ECMWF) and GFS (run by the National Weather Service), both predict that an area of low pressure will move off the coast of South Carolina on Tuesday evening. Once over the warm waters off the coast, the low will intensify, spreading heavy rains over coastal North Carolina on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada. The storm is predicted to intensify into a medium-strength Nor'easter with a central pressure of 992 mb by Wednesday afternoon, when it will be centered a few hundred miles south of Long Island, NY. The European model, which did an exemplary job forecasting Hurricane Sandy, predicts a stronger storm that will stay just offshore and bring a 12-hour period of strong winds of 40 - 45 mph to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, and New York on Wednesday morning and afternoon. The GFS model and 06Z NOGAPS model runs from 06Z (2 am EDT) this morning have a weaker storm that is farther offshore, with the main impact of the Nor'easter occurring Wednesday evening in coastal Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine. The Nor'easter will likely bring a swath of 2 - 4" of rain to the coast, and the potential for more than a foot of snow to mountain areas of the New England. The storm is still five days away, and five-day forecasts of the path and intensity of Nor'easters usually have large errors. Nevertheless, residents and relief workers in the region hit by Sandy should anticipate the possibility of the arrival on Wednesday of a moderate-strength Nor'easter with heavy rain, accompanied by high winds capable of driving a 1 - 2 foot storm surge with battering waves.


Figure 1. Predicted wind speed for Wednesday morning, November 7, 2012, from the 00Z (8 pm EDT) run of the ECMWF model made on November 2, 2012. Winds tropical storm-force (40 - 45 mph) are predicted to extend from coastal Maryland to the east tip of Long Island, NY.


Figure 2. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy. The GFS model performed the best for 1 - 3 day forecasts, but the European (ECMWF) model far out-performed all models at longer-range 4 - 5 day forecasts. This may be due to the fact the model was able to successfully predict the timing of the arrival of a trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. that acted to steer Sandy to the north and then northwest. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.


Figure 3. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy, for their runs that began at 00Z October 25, 2012. The GFDL and ECMWF models made great forecasts that correctly showed Sandy making landfall in Southern New Jersey in five days. The GFS and HWRF models made good 1 - 3 day forecasts, but failed to anticipate Sandy's northward turn towards the U.S. coast. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Links
Impressive loop of 1-minute visible satellite imagery spanning 6 days of Sandy's life.

A one-day time lapse video from a New York City webcam showing Sandy's impact on the city. It's eerie to see the city suddenly plunged into darkness.

First round of damage assessment aerial imagery collected by NOAA's National Geodetic Survey on Oct. 31 along the New Jersey coast.


Figure 4. Flooding in Haiti from Hurricane Sandy. Image credit: The Lambi Fund of Haiti.

Charities mobilize for Sandy
Sandy's death toll of 98 in the U.S. makes the storm one of the 30 most deadly hurricanes to affect the U.S.. The outpouring of charitable donations in the wake of the terrible storm has been great to see. NBC is hosting a benefit concert at 8 pm tonight (Friday), and the main owners of The Weather Channel have agreed to match donations of up to $1 million to the American Red Cross, with all donations to benefit people in the hard-hit areas of the U.S. To have your donation matched, please visit www.redcross.org/sandy, or text SANDY to 90999. I also recommend my favorite disaster relief charity, Portlight.org. They are focusing their response efforts exclusively on the post-Sandy needs of people with disabilities.Check out the Portlight blog to see what they're up to.

Sandy's greatest devastation occurred in Haiti, where rains of up to 20 inches in 24 hours unleashed rampaging flood waters that killed at least 54, left 200,000 homeless, wiped out thousand of acres of crops, and killed massive numbers of livestock. For impoverished families in Haiti still struggling to recover from the earthquake in 2010 and Hurricane Isaac in August, Sandy was devastating. These crops are the very essence of rural Haitian’s livelihoods, and there are fears widespread starvation will result. A disaster relief charity in Haiti that I've contributed to for many years, The Lambi Fund of Haiti, is seeking donations to help farmers purchase local seeds so that they can replant their crops in the wake of this latest terrible Haitian catastrophe.

I'll have an update this weekend on the coming Nor'easter.

Jeff Masters

Floods due to Sandy (WunderLecha)
The waters of Sagua la Grande river crossing the National highway in Ranchuelo, Cuba
Floods due to Sandy
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V. (beaudodson)
Thousands of trees were damaged in West Virginia by the heavy/wet snow. Many were without power for days.
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V.
Remnants of Sandy (stoneygirl)
These are a few of the incredible clouds associated with Hurricane Sandy. I am blessed because I didn't have any damage. Thank you God. Sending all my thoughts and prayers to NY and NJ where the devastation will take years to recover from.
Remnants of Sandy

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WTPZ42 KNHC 030239
TCDEP2

TROPICAL STORM ROSA DISCUSSION NUMBER 16
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172012
800 PM PDT FRI NOV 02 2012

THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER OF ROSA BECAME COMPLETELY EXPOSED TO THE WEST
OF THE DEEP CLOUDINESS EARLIER TODAY...AND CONVECTION HAD BEEN
DECREASING THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON. A NEW AREA OF DEEP
CONVECTION...HOWEVER...DEVELOPED OVER THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE
CIRCULATION AROUND 0000 UTC...AND IT HAS BEEN EXPANDING RECENTLY.
THE INITIAL WIND SPEED IS HELD AT 40 KT...WHICH IS IN AGREEMENT
WITH A BLEND OF THE LATEST DVORAK CI-NUMBERS FROM TAFB...SAB...AND
UW-CIMSS ADT. WESTERLY TO SOUTHWESTERLY WIND SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO
INCREASE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THESE UNFAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENTAL WINDS COMBINED WITH DRIER AND MORE STABLE AIR THAT IS
NEARING THE CYCLONE SHOULD CAUSE ROSA TO GRADUALLY WEAKEN. THE
OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST FOLLOWS THE TREND OF THE GUIDANCE AND
CALLS FOR ROSA TO BECOME A REMNANT LOW IN ABOUT 36 HOURS...WHEN THE
SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO BE STRONGER THAN 30 KT.

THE TROPICAL STORM APPEARS TO BE TURNING TOWARD THE WEST...LIKELY
DUE TO THE INFLUENCE OF A LOW- TO MID-LEVEL TROUGH TO THE NORTH OF
ROSA. THE SPREAD IN THE TRACK MODELS IS QUITE LARGE WITH THE GFS
AND GFDL MODELS SHOWING THE STORM TURNING NORTHWARD SOON...WHILE
THE ECMWF AND UKMET MODELS SHOW A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
MOTION. THE NHC TRACK FORECAST IS BETWEEN THOSE SCENARIOS AND IS
NUDGED TO THE NORTH OF THE PREVIOUS ONE...BUT STILL LIES A LITTLE
TO THE SOUTH OR LEFT OF THE CONSENSUS AIDS.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 03/0300Z 12.7N 119.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 03/1200Z 12.7N 119.8W 35 KT 40 MPH
24H 04/0000Z 12.8N 120.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 04/1200Z 13.1N 120.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 05/0000Z 13.5N 120.9W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
72H 06/0000Z 14.5N 121.8W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 07/0000Z 15.5N 123.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 08/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
FORECASTER CANGIALOSI
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Quoting yoboi:

James Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist.


Nice try and not a bad effort. Also, James Lovelock is not a climatologist. Even the interview you posted have the word "environmentalist" for him.

Dr. James Lovelock - Degrees, Awards and Prizes.
Your article also does not make any claims that there will be more land falling hurricanes. Nor do any climatologist, that I am aware of, agree with Dr. James Lovelock's assessment he made there. Dr. Lovelock has not practiced in years. He is over 93 now.
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Quoting Chucktown:
Here, this should keep Nea busy tonight - He loves Watts Up With That?

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So sad, death toll up to 106 in the U.S.

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351. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:29 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Tazmanian:
play nic kids don't yet me tell you to go too bed early for not playing nic


We are being nice, Taz. No name calling. No mud slinging. Everything is actually quite cordial between yoboi and I. I respect his/her opinion. We are just trying to back up our opinions.
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349. yoboi
2:27 AM GMT on November 03, 2012

James Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist.

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Two months ago, James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, gave a startling interview to msnbc.com in which he acknowledged he had been unduly “alarmist” about climate change.

The implications were extraordinary.

Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist whose Gaia theory — that the Earth operates as a single, living organism — has had a profound impact on the development of global warming theory.

Unlike many “environmentalists,” who have degrees in political science, Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured working scientist and academic.

His inventions have been used by NASA, among many other scientific organizations.

Lovelock’s invention of the electron capture detector in 1957 first enabled scientists to measure CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) and other pollutants in the atmosphere, leading, in many ways, to the birth of the modern environmental movement.

Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.” Now, Lovelock has given a follow-up interview to the UK’s Guardian newspaper in which he delivers more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would die from man-made climate change by the end of this century.

Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect.

He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit error, as a freelance scientist, he’s never been afraid to revise his theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that’s how science advances.

Among his observations to the Guardian:

(1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists, Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal.

As Lovelock observes, “Gas is almost a give-away in the U.S. at the moment. They’ve gone for fracking in a big way. This is what makes me very cross with the greens for trying to knock it … Let’s be pragmatic and sensible and get Britain to switch everything to methane. We should be going mad on it.” (Kandeh Yumkella, co-head of a major United Nations program on sustainable energy, made similar arguments last week at a UN environmental conference in Rio de Janeiro, advocating the development of conventional and unconventional natural gas resources as a way to reduce deforestation and save millions of lives in the Third World.)

(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

“It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion,” Lovelock observed. “I don’t think people have noticed that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use … The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can’t win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air.”

(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines.

As he puts it, “so-called ‘sustainable development’ … is meaningless drivel … We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant. I personally can’t stand windmills at any price.”

(4) Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.”

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348. Chucktown
2:24 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Here, this should keep Nea busy tonight - He loves Watts Up With That?

Link
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347. Tazmanian
2:20 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
play nic kids don't yet me tell you to go too bed early for not playing nic
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346. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:19 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


google DR Mann...


I do not need to google Dr. Mann. I am aware of who Dr. Mann is. Post the link where he made the claim that there will be more U.S. land falling hurricanes.
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345. pcola57
2:18 AM GMT on November 03, 2012




Rosa..



Statement as of 2:00 PM PDT on November 02, 2012



the center of Rosa has become exposed this afternoon...an indication
that moderate-to-strong shear is becoming detrimental to the
cyclone. However...ascat data from 1805 UTC did show quite a few
wind vectors of 35 kt or greater...suggesting peak winds of 40 kt.
The latter value will be used as the initial intensity. With
gradually increasing shear forecast by all models...Rosa will
likely weaken into a tropical depression on Saturday...and to a
remnant low on Sunday. The new intensity forecast is the same as
the previous one...a bit below the consensus.


Ascat and windsat data show that Rosa has been moving a bit faster
to the southwest...235/3. Low-level ridging to the northwest
of the storm should cause Rosa to gradually turn toward the west
and northwest with increasing forward speed over the next few days
as the cyclone becomes a shallower system. Model guidance has
noticeably shifted westward since 6h ago...and the official forecast
will follow that trend...staying a bit to the left of the
multi-model consensus tvce.


Forecast positions and Max winds


init 02/2100z 12.7n 119.0w 40 kt 45 mph
12h 03/0600z 12.6n 119.4w 35 kt 40 mph
24h 03/1800z 12.6n 119.8w 30 kt 35 mph
36h 04/0600z 12.8n 120.2w 30 kt 35 mph...Post-trop/remnt low
48h 04/1800z 13.1n 120.6w 25 kt 30 mph...Post-trop/remnt low
72h 05/1800z 14.0n 121.5w 25 kt 30 mph...Post-trop/remnt low
96h 06/1800z 15.0n 123.0w 20 kt 25 mph...Post-trop/remnt low
120h 07/1800z...dissipated


$$
forecaster Blake
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344. entrelac
2:18 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
I saw it posted pages back but wanted to repeat since it was such a "grrrr" thing.

NYC Marathon canceled amid outcry over priorities


From the link-
All the supplies -- including generators, food and water -- will be redeployed to people who need it.
[...]
A charity called Race 2 Recover has been started to allow marathon runners to donate their hotel rooms to NYC residents who cannot return to their homes, instead of simply cancelling them. Displaced New Yorkers can also use the website [link above] to help locate a place for them to stay on a first come first serve basis.
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343. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:16 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


so we should ignore when dr m talks about climate change????


You are free to ignore whoever you wish to ignore. However, I listen closely to what he has to say and even on the climate. As previously stated, he is smarter than the average bear! ... I agree, pcola7!
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342. yoboi
2:16 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in the field of Meteorology, but he is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters


google DR Mann...
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341. RetiredChiefP
2:15 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in the field of Meteorology, but he is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters


{turn on humor}
I read Dr. M's bio...gotta love a guy who has "The Holy Grail" as his favorite movie!

"Pie Jesu domine...dona eis requiem {smack}"

{turn off humor}
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340. etxwx
2:09 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Hmmm...apparently Martians do not eat beans...

Mars rover still sniffing for elusive methane
By Irene Klotz
Fri Nov 2, 2012 5:19pm EDT
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla., Nov 2 - Excerpt: Initial analysis of the atmosphere of Mars from NASA's rover Curiosity has shown no sign of methane, a gas detected previously by remote sensors, researchers said on Friday.

On Earth, more than 90 percent of the methane in the atmosphere results from living organisms and its presence in the Martian atmosphere, first detected in 2003, raised the prospect of microbial life on the planet.

Although no methane was detected during Curiosity's first detailed atmospheric analysis, scientists working under the auspices of the U.S. space agency plan to keep looking.

More here.
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339. yoboi
2:08 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in the field of Meteorology, but he is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters


so we should ignore when dr m talks about climate change????
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338. pcola57
2:06 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in his field of Meteorology, but his is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters


I jumped into this discussion and didn't realize that you were looking for a climatologist point of view Some1Has2BtheRookie..
I personally will take Dr. Masters viewpoint (he's smarter than the average bear LOL)..speaking for myself of course.. :)
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337. yoboi
2:06 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in the field of Meteorology, but he is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters


ok so will find something differ than dr m
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336. yoboi
2:05 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting pcola57:


Absolutely..
I greatly respect him..just make sure you link the day he posted so I can look at it myself..
Fair enough?


yeah i am looking at youtube videos with differ climate change guys saying this...also looking at a video that patrap had posted with them saying this...
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335. Some1Has2BtheRookie
2:02 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



does dr m count?


Dr. Jeff Masters is very distinguished in the field of Meteorology, but he is not a climatologist.

Bio - Dr. Jeff Masters
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334. pcola57
1:57 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



does dr m count?


Absolutely..
I greatly respect him..just make sure you link the day he posted so I can look at it myself..
Fair enough?
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333. etxwx
1:55 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Sandy to test revamped federal flood insurance program

By Roberta Rampton and Ben Berkowitz
WASHINGTON | Fri Nov 2, 2012 2:38pm EDT

(Reuters) - Superstorm Sandy is threatening to drag the U.S. government's debt-ridden flood insurance program back into the political crosshairs just months after Congress attempted to put the controversial program on a sound financial footing.

It is unclear if claims from Sandy, which delivered a wallop to the Northeastern United States earlier this week, will exceed the $3.7 billion the National Flood Insurance Program can spend before Congress needs to authorize more funds.

The largest private provider of policies for the flood program said on Thursday it expects Sandy will be the second-worst insured flood loss in U.S. history, behind only Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

That disaster, with $17.7 billion in claims, plunged the program into debt that the government has acknowledged may never be fully repaid from premiums.

"It had become crystal clear, and it will probably become a little bit more clear, post-Sandy, that the premium structure was woefully inadequate," said Tom Santos, vice-president for federal affairs at the American Insurance Association, a trade group.

Santos noted that changes included in legislation passed in July will soon begin to address some of the longstanding issues.

Critics of the program complain that it subsidizes people who live and build in dangerous and environmentally sensitive flood zones from the coasts to the Midwest.

So far budget-focused lawmakers have been careful to not openly attack the program. But once Sandy's flood damage is tallied, there could be renewed calls for subsidy cuts if the Federal Emergency Management Agency has to ask for permission to borrow more money to run the program, which would add to its already hefty debt of close to $18 billion.


Story continues here
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332. yoboi
1:52 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting pcola57:


Speaking for myself'
If you can find one reputable and genuine factual statement then I will back-off,
But if you cannot back yourself up then you have to agree to back off too.. :)



does dr m count?
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331. yoboi
1:50 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting RetiredChiefP:


Uugghh...paperwork!

Had a County official (very officious) tell me "how she would run things." (During our Ike pod). Unfortunately, for her, I am "Type A" ;P. I informed her "Give me the trucks I ask for, i.e. food, water, and ice...I will make it work. In three hours, you can take over if I mess up". Three hours later she decided to work with me. We were shut down in two days because we fed everyone. How wonderful to work with someone after both of our egos were forgotten...we sat down a few weeks later and completed paperwork.

It is the grassroots-level people who will speed the recovery to the area affected by horrorcaine, super-storm, Frankenstorm Sandy.

"Give me red tape, and I will bring out my red tape-cutting scissors!". (Quote attributed to me...just now...;P. Hope nobody else said this before...wouldn't want to plagiarize)

Much respect.



i understand i live in la went thru katrina rita ike gustav there is ways around the system we learned alot during katrina and used it a few weeks later with rita, i am seeing e-mac request from east coast now and takes atleast 5 days to approve i hope they figure out also how to cut thru the red tape as of yet just not happening and people are suffering over there because of it...
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330. trHUrrIXC5MMX
1:49 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting NJcat3cane:
Ehh i stayed with two friends who had no idea what was about to happen. i had a good idea it was gonna flood bad cuz it has before just not to bad since the perfect storm. But truthfully i could never imagine it being as bad as it was. would i stay next time? yes but should anyone else? hell no..the coast guard rescuses were amazing to see happen on my own street TWICE!. I had a plan though if the water got any higher.. my boat is tied up next to my house and if water started pouring into the house fast we were going threw my window right into the boat below..at the highest point of the water the boat was floating but never poured into the house since im raised about 5 feet off the ground luckily but the surrounding houses arent raised up at all and those were the rescuses and the destroyed houses


you're crazy but good to know you are ok
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329. Skyepony (Mod)
1:48 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
They found the Appalachian Trail thru hiker, overtaken by post-Sandy snow in TN.

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328. pcola57
1:48 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


i am looking also trying to figure out how to attach youtube videos...



I sent the UTube posting "How To" to your WU mail..
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327. wthrmnwanabe
1:44 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
In the wake of the Hurricane Sandy, the Obama administration authorized the Pentagon on Friday to bring 24 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel to staging areas in New Jersey to help alleviate fuel shortages in the region, The New York Times reports. The shortages have been caused by the lack of power at the majority of gas stations and by continued panic-buying by the public, industry officials told The Times. The amount of fuel is what 800,000 vehicles with 15 gallon tanks would use.

The Pentagon was also authorized to draw down as much as 2 million gallons of diesel fuel from the Northeast Home Heating Oil Reserve to help emergency responders keep generators, water pumps, and other services running, according to The Times. Earlier on Friday, the Department of Homeland Security temporarily lifted a prohibition on foreign-flagged ships from delivering fuel at American ports.
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326. Some1Has2BtheRookie
1:43 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


i will post it and when i do please lay off the overhype events and predictions...


Challenge number 2 for you. Post a link to any predictions I have made that are "overhype[sic] events".
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325. pcola57
1:43 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


i will post it and when i do please lay off the overhype events and predictions...


Speaking for myself'
If you can find one reputable and genuine factual statement then I will back-off,
But if you cannot back yourself up then you have to agree to back off too.. :)
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324. CaicosRetiredSailor
1:41 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
link for #319

http://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHS FEMA-5a744e#.UJRy6piS4_Y.facebook
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323. Bluestorm5
1:40 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting KoritheMan:


Who said anything about that? We've actually been in a historical decline for US landfalls for a couple of decades.
Plus, we haven't got a landfalling major OFFICIALLY since Wilma in 2005. Ike, Irene, Isaac, and Sandy were all either Category 1 or 2 at landfall.
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322. RetiredChiefP
1:40 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


you should see all the e-mac request coming in from the east coast red tape just like katrina takes 5 days to get processed thru the system.....it's crazy...


Uugghh...paperwork!

Had a County official (very officious) tell me "how she would run things." (During our Ike pod). Unfortunately, for her, I am "Type A" ;P. I informed her "Give me the trucks I ask for, i.e. food, water, and ice...I will make it work. In three hours, you can take over if I mess up". Three hours later she decided to work with me. We were shut down in two days because we fed everyone. How wonderful to work with someone after both of our egos were forgotten...we sat down a few weeks later and completed paperwork.

It is the grassroots-level people who will speed the recovery to the area affected by horrorcaine, super-storm, Frankenstorm Sandy.

"Give me red tape, and I will bring out my red tape-cutting scissors!". (Quote attributed to me...just now...;P. Hope nobody else said this before...wouldn't want to plagiarize)

Much respect.
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321. yoboi
1:40 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Links please or you got no proof. That's how it works.


i am looking also trying to figure out how to attach youtube videos...
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320. KoritheMan
1:39 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


after 2005 the kings of climate change said that the new norm would be stronger hurricanes and majors hitting the USA was suppose to be the new norm....


[Citation needed].
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319. CaicosRetiredSailor
1:39 AM GMT on November 03, 2012

Defense Logistics Agency to Purchase Diesel and Unleaded Fuel to Supplement Ongoing Private Sector Efforts as Part of Ongoing Response to Hurricane Sandy

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)
sent this bulletin at 11/02/2012 08:35 PM EDT

Defense Logistics Agency to Purchase Diesel and Unleaded Fuel to Supplement Ongoing Private Sector Efforts as Part of Ongoing Response to Hurricane Sandy
11/02/2012 07:59 PM EDT

WASHGINTON, DC – As part of the ongoing response and recovery from Hurricane Sandy, President Obama has directed the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) to purchase up to 12 million gallons of unleaded fuel and up to 10 million gallons of diesel fuel for distribution in areas impacted by the storm to supplement ongoing private sector efforts.  This purchase will be transported by tanker trucks and distributed throughout New York, New Jersey and other communities impacted by the storm.
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318. yoboi
1:38 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting KoritheMan:


Who said anything about that? We've actually been in a historical decline for US landfalls for a couple of decades.


after 2005 the kings of climate change said that the new norm would be stronger hurricanes and majors hitting the USA was suppose to be the new norm....
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317. Bluestorm5
1:38 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



look back on dr m's blogs during 2005 and 2006....
Links please or you got no proof. That's how it works.
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316. SyriboTigereyes
1:38 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
I posted before about my father going to Pennsylvania for gas.. My best friend just went up to Connecticut for gas. No lines up there, no problem getting it. And only an hour from here where my Aunt lives in Danbury. I really can't believe what the gas situation is like. I have never seen anything like it in my life.

And I am re-stocking our water (Even though we still have A LOT left, barely made a dent in my stock), canned food, batteries (We have A LOT of those as well), etc. It helped a lot that we were very prepared for Sandy. I even got very used to living without power until it came on today.. Even cleaned the dishes in the sink without the running water. Boiled a lot of water in pots, soaked everything and the sponge, and then wiped them all down a bunch of times before rinsing off with bottled water. The wood stove kept us warm.

...But it's nice to have internet again ;) Though it's sobering and shocking to see the news and the images around the rest of Long Island and the rest of the region.
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315. yoboi
1:36 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Nope. I said climatologist. Name one and post the link.


i will post it and when i do please lay off the overhype events and predictions...
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314. KoritheMan
1:35 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


i am still looking for all the majors to hitt the USA after the 2005 season according to the climate change kings....


Who said anything about that? We've actually been in a historical decline for US landfalls for a couple of decades.
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313. Some1Has2BtheRookie
1:33 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



look back on dr m's blogs during 2005 and 2006....


Nope. I said climatologist. Name one and post the link.
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312. pcola57
1:33 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


You gonna stick with worn out piece of misinformation? You need to start posting the links to any climatologist that said there would be more land falling hurricanes, let alone U.S. land falling hurricanes. ... I'll wait for the links. I would like to see the climatologists that would ever say this.


I agree with you on that Some1Has2BtheRookie..
I'll wait while he/she proves themselves with the links..
yoboi post the info that Dr. Masters posted and then I'll listen more to your point of view..
As of right now you have nothing to back you up..
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311. yoboi
1:32 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


You gonna stick with worn out piece of misinformation? You need to start posting the links to any climatologist that said there would be more land falling hurricanes, let alone U.S. land falling hurricanes. ... I'll wait for the links. I would like to see the climatologists that would ever say this.



do ya respect what Dr M has to say?
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310. allancalderini
1:32 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Hi guys.haven`t been in here in the last two days I think hope everyone in the NE are doing better. btw anyone think that Tony was our last name to be used this season?
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309. yoboi
1:28 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


You gonna stick with worn out piece of misinformation? You need to start posting the links to any climatologist that said there would be more land falling hurricanes, let alone U.S. land falling hurricanes. ... I'll wait for the links. I would like to see the climatologists that would ever say this.



look back on dr m's blogs during 2005 and 2006....
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308. Some1Has2BtheRookie
1:25 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting yoboi:


i am still looking for all the majors to hitt the USA after the 2005 season according to the climate change kings....


You gonna stick with worn out piece of misinformation? You need to start posting the links to any climatologist that said there would be more land falling hurricanes, let alone U.S. land falling hurricanes. ... I'll wait for the links. I would like to see the climatologists that would ever say this.
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307. yoboi
1:24 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting RetiredChiefP:


I appreciate your comments Lurky. I didn't think it was over-simplified...just a great way of putting it out to the neophytes like me. My area of expertise has always been math (yet I failed physics miserably at the time). I am an "after-the-event" guy...trained and experienced in recovery, disaster management, assessment, and fire suppression.

I and my department relied on WU blogs to prepare us for recovery...to let us know the extent of what we needed to prepare for. As a person with undiagnosed H.D.A.D.D (High-def ADD...lol), I found myself skipping over the long, scientific-based explanations to look for the blurbs, blobs, and "Weather-For-Dummies" comments.

Again, I find myself on this blog EVERY DAY now (even though retired and not needing to be here) and find this forum more fascinating now that it is not a requirement. Prayers to everyone on the NE coast (I am a Naturalized Texan from Syracuse, NY).

BTW...if anyone needs MREs...I got about 15 cases from when I ran a FEMA pod during Ike. Can't sell them...but will give them away. (I think they are still in date...lol!)

Much love,
Chief P...Retired


you should see all the e-mac request coming in from the east coast red tape just like katrina takes 5 days to get processed thru the system.....it's crazy...
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306. pcola57
1:21 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting ILwthrfan:


Here ya go, its hard to find on that site...

LINK


Thanks for the link..works fine ILwthrfan..
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305. JrWeathermanFL
1:21 AM GMT on November 03, 2012
Quoting AmateurWeather:

Upcoming FOX news schedule


8 am - Why its the Unions fault
9 am - Why is the liberal scientists fault
10 am - Why its the Muslims fault
11 am - Why its the liberals fault
noon - 2 pm double special - Why its governments fault
2 pm - Why its the Atheists fault
3 pm - Why its the immigrants fault
4 pm - Why its the welfare recipients fault
5 pm - Why its the gays fault
6 pm - Why its the environmentalists fault
7 pm - Why its France's fault
8 pm - Why its the fault of regulators
9 pm - Why its the minorities fault
10 pm - Why it is the teachers fault
11 pm - Why its the liberal medias fault
midnight - 8 am How everything could be better if the rich were taxed less


ur point?
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