Moderate-strength Nor'easter may hit Sandy-devastated areas Wednesday

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:16 PM GMT on November 02, 2012

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Storm-weary U.S. residents pounded by Superstorm Sandy may have a new storm to contend with next Wednesday: an early-season Nor'easter is expected to impact the mid-Atlantic and New England with strong winds and heavy rain. Our two top models, the European (ECMWF) and GFS (run by the National Weather Service), both predict that an area of low pressure will move off the coast of South Carolina on Tuesday evening. Once over the warm waters off the coast, the low will intensify, spreading heavy rains over coastal North Carolina on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada. The storm is predicted to intensify into a medium-strength Nor'easter with a central pressure of 992 mb by Wednesday afternoon, when it will be centered a few hundred miles south of Long Island, NY. The European model, which did an exemplary job forecasting Hurricane Sandy, predicts a stronger storm that will stay just offshore and bring a 12-hour period of strong winds of 40 - 45 mph to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, and New York on Wednesday morning and afternoon. The GFS model and 06Z NOGAPS model runs from 06Z (2 am EDT) this morning have a weaker storm that is farther offshore, with the main impact of the Nor'easter occurring Wednesday evening in coastal Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine. The Nor'easter will likely bring a swath of 2 - 4" of rain to the coast, and the potential for more than a foot of snow to mountain areas of the New England. The storm is still five days away, and five-day forecasts of the path and intensity of Nor'easters usually have large errors. Nevertheless, residents and relief workers in the region hit by Sandy should anticipate the possibility of the arrival on Wednesday of a moderate-strength Nor'easter with heavy rain, accompanied by high winds capable of driving a 1 - 2 foot storm surge with battering waves.


Figure 1. Predicted wind speed for Wednesday morning, November 7, 2012, from the 00Z (8 pm EDT) run of the ECMWF model made on November 2, 2012. Winds tropical storm-force (40 - 45 mph) are predicted to extend from coastal Maryland to the east tip of Long Island, NY.


Figure 2. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy. The GFS model performed the best for 1 - 3 day forecasts, but the European (ECMWF) model far out-performed all models at longer-range 4 - 5 day forecasts. This may be due to the fact the model was able to successfully predict the timing of the arrival of a trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. that acted to steer Sandy to the north and then northwest. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.


Figure 3. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy, for their runs that began at 00Z October 25, 2012. The GFDL and ECMWF models made great forecasts that correctly showed Sandy making landfall in Southern New Jersey in five days. The GFS and HWRF models made good 1 - 3 day forecasts, but failed to anticipate Sandy's northward turn towards the U.S. coast. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Links
Impressive loop of 1-minute visible satellite imagery spanning 6 days of Sandy's life.

A one-day time lapse video from a New York City webcam showing Sandy's impact on the city. It's eerie to see the city suddenly plunged into darkness.

First round of damage assessment aerial imagery collected by NOAA's National Geodetic Survey on Oct. 31 along the New Jersey coast.


Figure 4. Flooding in Haiti from Hurricane Sandy. Image credit: The Lambi Fund of Haiti.

Charities mobilize for Sandy
Sandy's death toll of 98 in the U.S. makes the storm one of the 30 most deadly hurricanes to affect the U.S.. The outpouring of charitable donations in the wake of the terrible storm has been great to see. NBC is hosting a benefit concert at 8 pm tonight (Friday), and the main owners of The Weather Channel have agreed to match donations of up to $1 million to the American Red Cross, with all donations to benefit people in the hard-hit areas of the U.S. To have your donation matched, please visit www.redcross.org/sandy, or text SANDY to 90999. I also recommend my favorite disaster relief charity, Portlight.org. They are focusing their response efforts exclusively on the post-Sandy needs of people with disabilities.Check out the Portlight blog to see what they're up to.

Sandy's greatest devastation occurred in Haiti, where rains of up to 20 inches in 24 hours unleashed rampaging flood waters that killed at least 54, left 200,000 homeless, wiped out thousand of acres of crops, and killed massive numbers of livestock. For impoverished families in Haiti still struggling to recover from the earthquake in 2010 and Hurricane Isaac in August, Sandy was devastating. These crops are the very essence of rural Haitian’s livelihoods, and there are fears widespread starvation will result. A disaster relief charity in Haiti that I've contributed to for many years, The Lambi Fund of Haiti, is seeking donations to help farmers purchase local seeds so that they can replant their crops in the wake of this latest terrible Haitian catastrophe.

I'll have an update this weekend on the coming Nor'easter.

Jeff Masters

Floods due to Sandy (WunderLecha)
The waters of Sagua la Grande river crossing the National highway in Ranchuelo, Cuba
Floods due to Sandy
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V. (beaudodson)
Thousands of trees were damaged in West Virginia by the heavy/wet snow. Many were without power for days.
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V.
Remnants of Sandy (stoneygirl)
These are a few of the incredible clouds associated with Hurricane Sandy. I am blessed because I didn't have any damage. Thank you God. Sending all my thoughts and prayers to NY and NJ where the devastation will take years to recover from.
Remnants of Sandy

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SANDY'S AFTERMATH: LIVE UPDATES HERE - Power back in most of Manhattan by Saturday, but outer boroughs are being left in the dark - and plunging into chaos

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still no sign of that coming nor'easter storm the models are predicting.................................
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...RED FLAG WARNING IN EFFECT THIS AFTERNOON FOR LOW RELATIVE
HUMIDITY AND ERC VALUES 35 OR HIGHER FOR THE COUNTIES OF LEE AND
SARASOTA...

.A DRY AIRMASS CONTINUES OVER THE REGION. A COMBINATION OF LONG
DURATIONS OF LOW RELATIVE HUMIDITY AND ENERGY RELEASE COMPONENT
VALUES OVER 35 ARE EXPECTED TO ONCE AGAIN RESULT IN RED FLAG
CONDITIONS FOR LEE AND INLAND SARASOTA COUNTIES. LOW LEVEL
MOISTURE IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE ENOUGH BY SUNDAY TO PREVENT ANY
SIGNIFICANT FIRE WEATHER CONCERNS.
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Quoting trunkmonkey:


My friends working in Long Island say, underground sub-stations were still flooded, have to pump out the water, then dry out the lines which could take days or weeks depending on the resources.
I feel so bad for my fellow Americans on the east coast.
yes Im afraid this happened at a very bad time, freezing temps, damp and no heat or running clean water etc, this is very bad for those folks up there
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Suomi NPP VIIRS 0.7 m Day/Night Band images (pre-Sandy, and post-Sandy)

As seen in other examples posted on this blog, the Suomi NPP VIIRS 0.7 m Day/Night Band (DNB) is useful for detecting city lights at night. A comparison of "pre-Sandy" (a cloud-free night way back on 31 August 2012) and "post-Sandy" (01 November 2012) DNB images displayed using McIDAS-V (above) showed some of the areas that remained without power in the wake of the landfall of Hurricane Sandy on 29 October 2012 - two areas that stand out are western parts of Long Island, New York and central New Jersey. You can also interactively fade between the before/after DNB images using this Java applet.

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Good morning everybody?
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Sempronius NY this morning.

Hello Winter! Elevation 2000 ft

Lake effect snow.



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Quoting Manhattancane:


Now that is a lot of downed lines. About 1 for every 10 households that live in areas with overhead power lines.


My friends working in Long Island say, underground sub-stations were still flooded, have to pump out the water, then dry out the lines which could take days or weeks depending on the resources.
I feel so bad for my fellow Americans on the east coast.
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Quoting aspectre:
...Con Edison is working to restore power to some 226,000 customers in Manhattan by Saturday, but that would still leave some 350,000 of its customers elsewhere in New York City potentially in the dark beyond Saturday. Con Edison said it hoped the vast majority of those would have power by Nov. 11.
Con Edison spokeswoman Sara Banda told NBC News that...The areas taking the longest for restored power...are those with overhead lines. "It's taking a bit longer," she said, noting that crews have had to deal with 100,000 downed lines.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday warned New Yorkers about using candles to provide heat, noting that at least one home caught fire as a result.
"I know it's chilly, I know you want to have light at night," he said, "but don't leave candles unattended."


Now that is a lot of downed lines. About 1 for every 10 households that live in areas with overhead power lines.
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Good Morning Folks!...................
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Tropical Storm Rosa:

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TROPICAL STORM ROSA DISCUSSION NUMBER 17
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172012
200 AM PDT SAT NOV 03 2012

CONVENTIONAL SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS ROSA MAINTAINING A SHEARED
SCENE TYPE THIS MORNING...WITH A SMALL AREA OF -80C OVERSHOOTING
COLD CLOUD TOPS NEAR THE PARTLY EXPOSED CENTER OF CIRCULATION.
ALTHOUGH THE DVORAK SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES ARE 2.5/35 KT
FROM BOTH TAFB AND SAB...THE INITIAL INTENSITY WILL REMAIN THE SAME
AS THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY...40 KT...DUE TO LITTLE OR NO CHANGE IN
THE CLOUD PATTERN FROM 6 HOURS AGO. UW-CIMSS SHEAR PRODUCT AND
WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOW ROSA MOVING IN AN UNFORGIVING ENVIRONMENT
CONSISTING OF 30-40 KT OF SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR AND AN INTRUDING
DRY/STABLE MARINE-LAYER AIR MASS. THESE TWO INHIBITING
CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD QUICKLY WEAKEN ROSA INTO A DEPRESSION WITHIN
THE NEXT 12 HOURS...AND ULTIMATELY TO A POST-TROPICAL REMNANT LOW
IN 24 HOURS. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST ALSO REFLECTS
DISSIPATION BY DAY 4 WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH A CONSENSUS OF THE
GLOBAL MODELS.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS A PERSISTENT 260/4...OR TOWARD THE
WEST. A LOW- TO MID-TROPOSPHERIC NARROW RIDGE TO THE NORTH IS
STEERING THE CYCLONE ON ITS CURRENT HEADING. A MAJORITY OF
THE DYNAMICAL MODELS CONTINUE TO INDICATE THAT ROSA WILL TURN
TOWARD THE NORTHWEST AROUND THE 24 HOUR PERIOD IN RESPONSE TO AN
AMPLIFYING DEEP-LAYER TROUGH TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE TROPICAL
STORM. THE GUIDANCE SPREAD...UNFORTUNATELY...REMAINS QUITE LARGE.
THE UKMET IS SHOWING A FLATTER TRACK...A GENERAL WEST TO
WEST-NORTHWEST DIRECTION WITH TIME...WHILE THE GFS IS TO THE FAR
RIGHT OF THE MODEL CLUSTER AND INDICATES A SHARP TURN TOWARD THE
NORTH IN 12 HOURS. THE NHC TRACK FORECAST RESEMBLES THE PREVIOUS
ADVISORY AND IS BASED ON THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS WHICH IS
ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN THE TWO AFOREMENTIONED OUTLIERS.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 03/0900Z 12.6N 119.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 03/1800Z 12.7N 120.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 04/0600Z 12.8N 120.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 04/1800Z 13.1N 120.9W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 05/0600Z 13.5N 121.2W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
72H 06/0600Z 14.3N 122.3W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 07/0600Z...DISSIPATED

$$
FORECASTER ROBERTS
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BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM ROSA ADVISORY NUMBER 17
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172012
200 AM PDT SAT NOV 03 2012

...RESILIENT ROSA MAINTAINING TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH...


SUMMARY OF 200 AM PDT...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...12.6N 119.7W
ABOUT 960 MI...1545 KM SW OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 260 DEGREES AT 5 MPH...7 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES
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...Con Edison is working to restore power to some 226,000 customers in Manhattan by Saturday, but that would still leave some 350,000 of its customers elsewhere in New York City potentially in the dark beyond Saturday. Con Edison said it hoped the vast majority of those would have power by Nov. 11.
Con Edison spokeswoman Sara Banda told NBC News that...The areas taking the longest for restored power...are those with overhead lines. "It's taking a bit longer," she said, noting that crews have had to deal with 100,000 downed lines.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday warned New Yorkers about using candles to provide heat, noting that at least one home caught fire as a result.
"I know it's chilly, I know you want to have light at night," he said, "but don't leave candles unattended."
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A blessed night to all.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
Well folks just like Kori I'm out to TRY to go to sleep..

I say try because there is some stupid people down the lonely street still having a party right now at 2:16 AM.

Enjoy reading comments ... bye
Its Friday..It is ritualistic.
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Well folks just like Kori I'm out to TRY to go to sleep..

I say try because there is some stupid people down the lonely street still having a party right now at 2:16 AM.

Enjoy reading comments ... bye
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Looks tranquil really..
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


I'll have a good and pleasant night sleep from now on
I hope it snows on you...repeatedly..:)
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Quoting hydrus:
Kori speaks his mind. It is a quality I like...Remember , he did say that when he is wrong he puts up with it.


I see...
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


This is the first time I argue with this guy...has he been ever so straight-forward and down-to-facts?
Kori speaks his mind. It is a quality I like...Remember , he did say that when he is wrong he puts up with it.
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Quoting hydrus:
He was 6 feet 4 inches tall, and hard work wuz abundant. I can scrap, but would not want to knuck with Lincoln..:)


This is the first time I argue with this guy...has he been ever so straight-forward and down-to-facts?
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I'll put up the post analysis track pic and strength of Sandy here whenever it is out..
specially at the NJ landfall
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


Here we have a future Abraham Lincoln..never giving up, admitting errors and kicking butts if needed...
He was 6 feet 4 inches tall, and hard work wuz abundant. I can scrap, but would not want to knuck with Lincoln..:)
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Quoting KoritheMan:
Good night you guys. Enjoyed the banter.


Night.
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Good night you guys. Enjoyed the banter.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


I give everyone a sense of annoyance. I've made a lot of enemies, but I've also made a lot of friends.

I think what makes some people start to dislike me is my inherently stubborn nature, and the conviction of my beliefs. When I think I'm right, I will argue it until proven wrong (and yes, I do have the balls to admit when I am wrong, trust me).

It's up to you how you want to take me and my words, but I will not change my personality at the expense of others. Sometimes I step out of line, but now is not one of those times.


Here we have a future Abraham Lincoln..never giving up, admitting errors and kicking butts if needed...
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


I'll get you a Turkey for Thanksgiving for that
Turkey a few times a year is good for the body..
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


you give me a sense of annoyance...


I give everyone a sense of annoyance. I've made a lot of enemies, but I've also made a lot of friends.

I think what makes some people start to dislike me is my inherently stubborn nature, and the conviction of my beliefs. When I think I'm right, I will argue it until proven wrong (and yes, I do have the balls to admit when I am wrong, trust me).

It's up to you how you want to take me and my words, but I will not change my personality at the expense of others. Sometimes I step out of line, but now is not one of those times.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


you give me a sense of annoyance...
Annoyance affects your senses..not the antithesis thereof...jk...really..just kidding..:)
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Quoting hydrus:
That is why I am going to spank Kori when all the facts are in..We will have to average out the barometric pressures of all the " lows " that have been recorded where Sandy made landfall and determine whether or not it was just another low..aahhh steak....


I'll get you a Turkey for Thanksgiving for that

I been telling him that Sandy was likely tropical at landfall...I want to see its post-anaylisis...he just cranks at it more and more
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


hmmm..god you bring this up.. Remember afert Sandy intensified to a 90 mph... the HH measured a pressure of 937 mb. The NHC decided to keep it as 940 mb in the next advisory..

I don't remember why?
I forgot to ask this question before
That is why I am going to spank Kori when all the facts are in..We will have to average out the barometric pressures of all the " lows " that have been recorded where Sandy made landfall and determine whether or not it was just another low..aahhh steak....
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Not at all, except you're the who made the claim that Sandy was tropical at landfall. The burden of proof is therefore on you, not me.


you give me a sense of annoyance...
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Quoting aspectre:
279 TropicalAnalystwx13: Our nor'easter is looking impressive.


~643miles(kilometres)South of Unalaska (DUT)
~399miles(642kilometres)SSEast of Novarupta (top,unlabled line)
~337miles(542kilometresSouth of Kodiak (9Z3)
~573miles(922kilometres)South of Anchorage (EDF)
~738miles(1188kilometres)WSWest of Juneau (JNU)
Of special note because:
Due to a lack of snow cover, the storm was kicking ash from Novarupta into a miles-high dust plume over the region on the 100th anniversary of the 20thCentury's largest volcanic eruption.
"People in Juneau...heard the sound of the blast...over one hour after it occurred."
For "The inhabitants of Kodiak...seeing an ash cloud rise quickly to an elevation of 20 miles then drift towards them would have been terrifying.
Within just a few hours after the eruption a thick blanket of ash began falling upon the town - and ash continued falling for the next three days, covering the town up to one foot deep.
Any animal or person who was caught outside probably died from suffocation, [or] blindness [and] an inability to find food and water."

"[Beginning] On June 6th, 1912...[the Novarupta eruption produced] about 30 cubic kilometers of ejecta...thirty times more than the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and three times more than the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo, the second largest in the 20th Century.
By the time the eruption was over [on June 9th], the world%u2019s most extensive historic ignimbrite (solidified pyroclastic flow deposit) would be formed. It covered a surface area of over 120 square kilometers to depths of over 200 meters thick near its source.
...the ash cloud had spread across southern Alaska, most of western Canada and several U.S. states. Winds then carried it across North America. It reached Africa on June 17th."


good thing it is far enough south of Alaska to make any major damage
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


I don't even have to move a finger to look for anything...wait until the NHC post analysis for Sandy comes out..Is that too hard for you?


Not at all, except you're the who made the claim that Sandy was tropical at landfall. The burden of proof is therefore on you, not me.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Thinking a little harder on it, I can see some legitimate reasons why statistics may not necessarily be factual. Participants lying, for one thing. But in this case, we have literally no reason to believe that a well-trusted government organization is lying (the National Hurricane Center). Using all available data they had, they declared Sandy was post-tropical. If you want to argue otherwise, be my guest, but you will need some damn good evidence for me to accept your word over that of a public weather forecasting agency that has been our trusted source of information on all things hurricanes for decades. Can you?


I don't even have to move a finger to look for anything...wait until the NHC post analysis for Sandy comes out..Is that too hard for you?
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Well? ;)
Pittsburgh..Or charred rare as we called it back when..:)
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Quoting hydrus:
I like the tasty char on a steak Kori..As much as food is presented on this blog I thought ya knew...I still say that the very low pressure measured " factually" in Sandy by air recon and land readings put in place a clear interstice from your just another low...


hmmm..good you bring this up.. Remember after Sandy intensified to a 90 mph... the HH measured a pressure of 937 mb. The NHC decided to keep it as 940 mb in the next advisory..

I don't remember why?
I forgot to ask this question before
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279 TropicalAnalystwx13: Our nor'easter is looking impressive.


~643miles(kilometres)South of Unalaska (DUT)
~399miles(642kilometres)SSEast of Novarupta (top,unlabled line)
~337miles(542kilometresSouth of Kodiak (9Z3)
~573miles(922kilometres)South of Anchorage (EDF)
~738miles(1188kilometres)WSWest of Juneau (JNU)
Of special note because:
Due to a lack of snow cover, the storm was kicking ash from Novarupta into a miles-high dust plume over the region on the 100th anniversary of the 20thCentury's largest volcanic eruption.
"People in Juneau...heard the sound of the blast...over one hour after it occurred."
For "The inhabitants of Kodiak...seeing an ash cloud rise quickly to an elevation of 20 miles then drift towards them would have been terrifying.
Within just a few hours after the eruption, a thick blanket of ash began falling upon the town - and ash continued falling for the next three days, covering the town up to one foot deep.
Any animal or person who was caught outside probably died from suffocation, [or] blindness [and] an inability to find food and water."

"[Beginning] On June 6th, 1912...[the Novarupta eruption produced] about 30 cubic kilometers of ejecta...thirty times more than the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and three times more than the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo, the second largest in the 20th Century.
By the time the eruption was over [on June 9th], the world's most extensive historic ignimbrite (solidified pyroclastic flow deposit) would be formed. It covered a surface area of over 120 square kilometers to depths of over 200 meters [656feet] thick near its source.
...the ash cloud had spread across southern Alaska, most of western Canada and several U.S. states. Winds then carried it across North America. It reached Africa on June 17th."
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Quoting hydrus:
lol lol


Well? ;)
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


by the way...sure...is not fact nor in its field


Thinking a little harder on it, I can see some legitimate reasons why statistics may not necessarily be factual. Participants lying, for one thing. But in this case, we have literally no reason to believe that a well-trusted government organization is lying (the National Hurricane Center). Using all available data they had, they declared Sandy was post-tropical. If you want to argue otherwise, be my guest, but you will need some damn good evidence for me to accept your word over that of a public weather forecasting agency that has been our trusted source of information on all things hurricanes for decades. Can you?
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Ask any statistician and I'm sure they would agree with me. Same with Ike: for all intents and purposes, it was a Category 3 hurricane; the radar and satellite presentation definitely supported it. Officially, however, the storm went down in the record books as a Category 2.

Again, I get what you're saying, but facts are facts, and statistics are amongst facts.
lol lol
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


ouch...don't let the steak burn too much Hydrus

I am as eager as many for Sandy's CHANGES in the post analysis and for all the others...
except for those who think there will not be
I like the tasty char on a steak Kori..As much as food is presented on this blog I thought ya knew...I still say that the very low pressure measured " factually" in Sandy by air recon and land readings put in place a clear interstice from your just another low...
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Ask any statistician and I'm sure they would agree with me.

Again, I get what you're saying, but facts are facts, and statistics are amongst facts.


by the way...sure...is not fact nor in its field
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Quoting hydrus:
Hello Kori..Good to see you being feisty as ever, but you said " statistics bind " therefore it is my job to critique how much the statistics actually bind to the facts presented in the future when all the data on sandy is presented. How can you possibly say that Sandy was just another low pressure system when its pressure was the lowest ever recorded in the region, even rivaling the Great 38 hurricane.?


Ask any statistician and I'm sure they would agree with me. Same with Ike: for all intents and purposes, it was a Category 3 hurricane; the radar and satellite presentation definitely supported it. Officially, however, the storm went down in the record books as a Category 2.

Again, I get what you're saying, but facts are facts, and statistics are amongst facts.
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