Moderate-strength Nor'easter may hit Sandy-devastated areas Wednesday

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:16 PM GMT on November 02, 2012

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Storm-weary U.S. residents pounded by Superstorm Sandy may have a new storm to contend with next Wednesday: an early-season Nor'easter is expected to impact the mid-Atlantic and New England with strong winds and heavy rain. Our two top models, the European (ECMWF) and GFS (run by the National Weather Service), both predict that an area of low pressure will move off the coast of South Carolina on Tuesday evening. Once over the warm waters off the coast, the low will intensify, spreading heavy rains over coastal North Carolina on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada. The storm is predicted to intensify into a medium-strength Nor'easter with a central pressure of 992 mb by Wednesday afternoon, when it will be centered a few hundred miles south of Long Island, NY. The European model, which did an exemplary job forecasting Hurricane Sandy, predicts a stronger storm that will stay just offshore and bring a 12-hour period of strong winds of 40 - 45 mph to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, and New York on Wednesday morning and afternoon. The GFS model and 06Z NOGAPS model runs from 06Z (2 am EDT) this morning have a weaker storm that is farther offshore, with the main impact of the Nor'easter occurring Wednesday evening in coastal Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine. The Nor'easter will likely bring a swath of 2 - 4" of rain to the coast, and the potential for more than a foot of snow to mountain areas of the New England. The storm is still five days away, and five-day forecasts of the path and intensity of Nor'easters usually have large errors. Nevertheless, residents and relief workers in the region hit by Sandy should anticipate the possibility of the arrival on Wednesday of a moderate-strength Nor'easter with heavy rain, accompanied by high winds capable of driving a 1 - 2 foot storm surge with battering waves.


Figure 1. Predicted wind speed for Wednesday morning, November 7, 2012, from the 00Z (8 pm EDT) run of the ECMWF model made on November 2, 2012. Winds tropical storm-force (40 - 45 mph) are predicted to extend from coastal Maryland to the east tip of Long Island, NY.


Figure 2. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy. The GFS model performed the best for 1 - 3 day forecasts, but the European (ECMWF) model far out-performed all models at longer-range 4 - 5 day forecasts. This may be due to the fact the model was able to successfully predict the timing of the arrival of a trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. that acted to steer Sandy to the north and then northwest. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.


Figure 3. Forecast track error for four of our top models used to predict Hurricane Sandy, for their runs that began at 00Z October 25, 2012. The GFDL and ECMWF models made great forecasts that correctly showed Sandy making landfall in Southern New Jersey in five days. The GFS and HWRF models made good 1 - 3 day forecasts, but failed to anticipate Sandy's northward turn towards the U.S. coast. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Links
Impressive loop of 1-minute visible satellite imagery spanning 6 days of Sandy's life.

A one-day time lapse video from a New York City webcam showing Sandy's impact on the city. It's eerie to see the city suddenly plunged into darkness.

First round of damage assessment aerial imagery collected by NOAA's National Geodetic Survey on Oct. 31 along the New Jersey coast.


Figure 4. Flooding in Haiti from Hurricane Sandy. Image credit: The Lambi Fund of Haiti.

Charities mobilize for Sandy
Sandy's death toll of 98 in the U.S. makes the storm one of the 30 most deadly hurricanes to affect the U.S.. The outpouring of charitable donations in the wake of the terrible storm has been great to see. NBC is hosting a benefit concert at 8 pm tonight (Friday), and the main owners of The Weather Channel have agreed to match donations of up to $1 million to the American Red Cross, with all donations to benefit people in the hard-hit areas of the U.S. To have your donation matched, please visit www.redcross.org/sandy, or text SANDY to 90999. I also recommend my favorite disaster relief charity, Portlight.org. They are focusing their response efforts exclusively on the post-Sandy needs of people with disabilities.Check out the Portlight blog to see what they're up to.

Sandy's greatest devastation occurred in Haiti, where rains of up to 20 inches in 24 hours unleashed rampaging flood waters that killed at least 54, left 200,000 homeless, wiped out thousand of acres of crops, and killed massive numbers of livestock. For impoverished families in Haiti still struggling to recover from the earthquake in 2010 and Hurricane Isaac in August, Sandy was devastating. These crops are the very essence of rural Haitian’s livelihoods, and there are fears widespread starvation will result. A disaster relief charity in Haiti that I've contributed to for many years, The Lambi Fund of Haiti, is seeking donations to help farmers purchase local seeds so that they can replant their crops in the wake of this latest terrible Haitian catastrophe.

I'll have an update this weekend on the coming Nor'easter.

Jeff Masters

Floods due to Sandy (WunderLecha)
The waters of Sagua la Grande river crossing the National highway in Ranchuelo, Cuba
Floods due to Sandy
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V. (beaudodson)
Thousands of trees were damaged in West Virginia by the heavy/wet snow. Many were without power for days.
Tree damage in Tucker County, W.V.
Remnants of Sandy (stoneygirl)
These are a few of the incredible clouds associated with Hurricane Sandy. I am blessed because I didn't have any damage. Thank you God. Sending all my thoughts and prayers to NY and NJ where the devastation will take years to recover from.
Remnants of Sandy

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Quoting pcola57:


I don't see it..can you link me?


Here ya go, its hard to find on that site...

LINK
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Looking at your name would that be "Entergy"?


No.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
TWC has a WINTER WEATHER CENTRAL site and everything...cool


I don't see it..can you link me?
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Quoting katrinaeyewall:


"and almost always deep southern utility workers"

The deep southern utility company I work for wins the electric safety award every year.
Looking at your name would that be "Entergy"?
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Quoting ILwthrfan:


This is from NYC NWS

Right now they are calling for a cold rain. But as always things can change quickly in the 4-7 day outlook. Low confidence forecast...

THE WEATHER PATTERN BECOMES MORE ACTIVE DURING THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COASTAL LOW FROM THE SOUTHERN STREAM...BUT THERE IS A SPLIT AMONG MODELS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT PHASES WITH NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY. TIMING AND POSITION OF THE RESULTANT SURFACE LOW THEREFORE DIFFER. THE 02/12Z OPERATIONAL GFS AND ENSEMBLE MEAN HAVE BECOME MORE PROGRESSIVE AND UNPHASED...POTENTIALLY SHOWING ITS SE BIAS IN PATTERNS LIKE THIS THIS FAR OUT IN TIME. THE ECMWF...TYPICALLY FARTHER WEST...STILL CONTINUES PHASE THE TWO STREAMS AND SHOW THE SURFACE LOW CLOSER TO THE COASTLINE AND SLOWER TO PASS THROUGH. PREFERENCE THEREFORE IS TO GO MORE ALONG THE LINES OF HPC GUIDANCE...WHICH...LIKE BOTH THE 02/00Z ENSEMBLE MEANS OF BOTH GFS AND ECMWF...IS A COMPROMISE...TAKING THE LOW OVER OR VERY NEAR THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK SOMETIME LATE WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THE PAST FEW ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN RUNS HAVE SHOWN A SIMILAR TRACK.

WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS FOR US IS A LIKELIHOOD OF RAIN...FOCUSED ON WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT ACROSS THE SE TWO-THIRDS OF THE FORECAST AREA. HAVE CAPPED POPS AT CHANCE FARTHER NORTH AND EAST DURING THIS PERIOD. THE THERMAL PROFILE COULD BE COLD ENOUGH FOR SOME SNOW OR MIXED PRECIP AT THE ONSET AND END OF THE EVENT...BUT THE TIMING OF THE PRECIP MAY PRECLUDE ANY WINTRY PRECIPITATION.

FORTUNATELY...ASTRONOMICAL TIDES WILL BE RELATIVELY LOW AS WE`LL BE NEARLY IN THE MIDPOINT OF FULL AND NEW MOONS. TIMING...TRACK...AND STRENGTH OF THE LOW ARE UNCERTAIN...SO IT IS DIFFICULT AT THIS POINT TO FORECAST WITH AT LEAST MODERATE CONFIDENCE THE DEGREE OF COASTAL FLOODING...IF ANY AT ALL. THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED. GUSTY WINDS OF AROUND 40 MPH WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.

Thanks
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Quoting arnoldk:
Well, like I said, I expected flack and I got it just like we did when I was working with the boobs that caused the problems. BUT, before you all go off, your next excursion should be the talent of LEARNING TO READ ! I did not say all, many were actually good hands, BUT even they in MANY instances employed practises that WERE NOT acceptable under union guidlines as safe procedure. Now you can play the injured jip all you like, but if you are qualified and have worked around and been a traveler ticket, you know this is true. And as to geographics, I am relating the facts as I witnessed them. By large and far the most problematic inexperienced people were from the deep south and non union. Their practises were extremely unsafe and they, IF lucky were discovered before they were killed or killed someone else and discharged. So if you don't like the heat of the truth, you can get out of the kitchen. IBEW hands are safe acredited workers.


"and almost always deep southern utility workers"

The deep southern utility company I work for wins the electric safety award every year.
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Afternoon all...

I see we have a fair amount of nitpicking and hairsplitting going on today.... :o)

I'm not hanging about now, but hopefully will have a few minutes later in the evening....

Ya'll play nice now....
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Quoting gecko:

You are so smart and everyone else is an idiot, just like you said. Must be so nice to be you.

There, feel better about yourself?
Gecko.....Quite a first post you had there
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Quoting Doppler22:
Ok so is there a chance that snow could come from the possible Nor' Easter and if so... then how far east would the snow go bcause i want snow :p PS Im in SE PA (York, PA)


This is from NYC NWS

Right now they are calling for a cold rain. But as always things can change quickly in the 4-7 day outlook. Low confidence forecast...

THE WEATHER PATTERN BECOMES MORE ACTIVE DURING THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COASTAL LOW FROM THE SOUTHERN STREAM...BUT THERE IS A SPLIT AMONG MODELS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT PHASES WITH NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY. TIMING AND POSITION OF THE RESULTANT SURFACE LOW THEREFORE DIFFER. THE 02/12Z OPERATIONAL GFS AND ENSEMBLE MEAN HAVE BECOME MORE PROGRESSIVE AND UNPHASED...POTENTIALLY SHOWING ITS SE BIAS IN PATTERNS LIKE THIS THIS FAR OUT IN TIME. THE ECMWF...TYPICALLY FARTHER WEST...STILL CONTINUES PHASE THE TWO STREAMS AND SHOW THE SURFACE LOW CLOSER TO THE COASTLINE AND SLOWER TO PASS THROUGH. PREFERENCE THEREFORE IS TO GO MORE ALONG THE LINES OF HPC GUIDANCE...WHICH...LIKE BOTH THE 02/00Z ENSEMBLE MEANS OF BOTH GFS AND ECMWF...IS A COMPROMISE...TAKING THE LOW OVER OR VERY NEAR THE 40N/70W BENCHMARK SOMETIME LATE WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THE PAST FEW ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN RUNS HAVE SHOWN A SIMILAR TRACK.

WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS FOR US IS A LIKELIHOOD OF RAIN...FOCUSED ON WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT ACROSS THE SE TWO-THIRDS OF THE FORECAST AREA. HAVE CAPPED POPS AT CHANCE FARTHER NORTH AND EAST DURING THIS PERIOD. THE THERMAL PROFILE COULD BE COLD ENOUGH FOR SOME SNOW OR MIXED PRECIP AT THE ONSET AND END OF THE EVENT...BUT THE TIMING OF THE PRECIP MAY PRECLUDE ANY WINTRY PRECIPITATION.

FORTUNATELY...ASTRONOMICAL TIDES WILL BE RELATIVELY LOW AS WE`LL BE NEARLY IN THE MIDPOINT OF FULL AND NEW MOONS. TIMING...TRACK...AND STRENGTH OF THE LOW ARE UNCERTAIN...SO IT IS DIFFICULT AT THIS POINT TO FORECAST WITH AT LEAST MODERATE CONFIDENCE THE DEGREE OF COASTAL FLOODING...IF ANY AT ALL. THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED. GUSTY WINDS OF AROUND 40 MPH WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.
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Well as to statistics, NO I don't know of anybody recording the statistics. If they are I don't know of them. BUT I do know what I witnessed. Try the Phoenix, Flagstaff, a couple of Michigan locals, and a couple of Nebraska jobs. These are place that I witnessed troubles.

As to FPL, I know it well. I worked for FPL. I also worked APS in Phoenix when the "wars" were going on. In Bakersfield CA. I physically witnessed a "26 year old "Journeman" (yeah right) drive an uncertified metal manlift directly into 3 phases of 12kv. This "pro" had been a "Lineman" for 9 weeks, but he was a Journeyman. Well, he bacame a dead Journeyman in front of my eyes. He left behind a young wife and two very nice kids. I can relate dozens of stories I heard, saw or reported.

As I said, nearly every year there are hands lost or injured for one reason or another. But the stuff I'm talking about was pure disregard for safety and way to many times accepted by the crew leader of a project being performed by these ineperienced hands I am referring to. AND like it or not as I said many of the "old" hands had "bad" habits as well, but were lucky enough to have made it I assume without incident. I applaud the record of the IBEW and I beleivethey are about the best there is in demanding training and education. And like the one poster said, this work has a very high potential for hazrds if not very well trained and careful.
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TWC has a WINTER WEATHER CENTRAL site and everything...cool
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Quoting TomballTXPride:

Thank you for checking in. But more importantly, I am glad you are safe! My thoughts go out to the folks that were affected.

In regards to the potential of the upcoming system, the most recent run of the ECMWF still suggests a pretty strong storm for much of the area Sandy already impacted. Now this is 6 days out yet, so much can change. I will add though that this model was pretty much dead on with predicting Sandy in terms of track and strength. Furthermore, Dr. Masters pointed much the same in his blog he wrote above, so I believe the forecast has some merit.



I hope this does not turn into a 950 or 940 like those crazy-but-true models
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Quoting jeffs713:

Octane isn't a percentage - there are gasolines out there with octane ratings above 100.


A performance rating based on a percentage in a theoretical blend. Thanks Jeff, learned something new today.

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Quoting EricGreen:
Dr. Masters wrote:

"The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada."

Sad to say, physics tells us that it's impossible to "pull" with a fluid, . . etc etc

You are so smart and everyone else is an idiot, just like you said. Must be so nice to be you.

There, feel better about yourself?
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Ok so is there a chance that snow could come from the possible Nor' Easter and if so... then how far east would the snow go bcause i want snow :p PS Im in SE PA (York, PA)
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
constantly???

Yes, that too. :)
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Quoting seer2012:
Sad to say but Linbaugh and Hannaday have been repeating the IBEW rejection story with a negative spin this afternoon.Having been an industrial electrician I can understand the potential problems because of differing systems training.Eventually the truth will come out.For right now the stone throwing needs to stop as we have enough problems already without this bickering.


Nice post and on that note I wish everyone, EVERYONE a warm, safe weekend. Lets pray for great news instead of what we have seen..Peace out peeps
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Quoting seer2012:
Sad to say but Linbaugh and Hannaday have been repeating the IBEW rejection story with a negative spin this afternoon.Having been an industrial electrician I can understand the potential problems because of differing systems training.Eventually the truth will come out.For right now the stone throwing needs to stop as we have enough problems already without this bickering.
you said that far clearer than myself :)
i get jaded around here... good post
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Sandy is going to be retired, no doubt.

105 death toll, over 50 billion dollars in damage, and those numbers could continue to rise over the next days.

And lets not forget its size, It was huge, and I mean huge as in Typhoon Tip huge!
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Quoting TomballTXPride:
Marathon Cancelled??
Not that I've seen.

Opening game for the Nets is postponed though.
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Your 100% correct ! I should have paragraphed, but I was incensed at the comments within ! As to the few who whined. All I can say is the shoe must fit, if your runnin your yaps like an injured doe in the headlights !
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Sad to say but Linbaugh and Hannaday have been repeating the IBEW rejection story with a negative spin this afternoon.Having been an industrial electrician I can understand the potential problems because of differing systems training.Eventually the truth will come out.For right now the stone throwing needs to stop as we have enough problems already without this bickering.
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Quoting TomballTXPride:
Marathon Cancelled??

Big Bird has entered....last minute addition
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Quoting sar2401:


{sarasm flag on}
I don't know, I constantly see dead and injured line workers littering the streets here in Alabama because of their poor training and lazy work habits. I sure wouldn't want those bums working on my lines in Queens if my power was off.
{sarcasm flag off}
constantly???
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Quoting arnoldk:
Theres another isue that needs to be told here. I am retred from line work and was nearly always with unionized shops in one way or another. I worked for utilities and for private companies. I can tell you one VERY importat issue we ocasionally had with non union and almost always deep southern utility workers. There work habit were unsafe as compared to our standards. Now this may draw fire, but I personally witnesed death and injury because of this exact thing.I saw inexperienced people attempt to do hazardous work and get injured. Also many standard prcatise accepted by southern utility workers authority just aren't aceptable practise in union work. I could relate many specifics, but for lack of space here I won't. We were forced by state regulation to entertain these workers and bids because of right to work laws. This proved to be very costly for some individuals that actually wound up dead because of ineperience and or knowledge of procedure. There are standards for build and with a few men from a local shop being involved, the problems of different voltages or system choices can be resolved. BUT providing people who had little or NO experience and calling them line hands or helpers is nothing but a recipe for disaster. Union line workers must go through rigorous training and testing long before they are set out to a job. Andif you don't have the propercredentials when arriving for work, you will not go to work. Period. This is built in for everyones safety. Because of the inherent dangers associated with this kindof work, other hands working "down line" from you have to depend on his "brother" to do the right thing at the right time and to ask if he doesn't.And rarely, but ocaisonally accidents still happen even among members. But I personally was aware of and orwitnessed so many accidents by non union people that many of us including myself refused to work with these people.It is Nothing Personal and NOTHING MONEY or POLITICAL, just plenty on safety of everyone. High voltage isunforgiving and everyone has to know their job or others can and will be hurt or killed.
arnold........... Electric utility works are a special breed. Has to be one of the most dangerous jobs ever. BUT, There are many workers in the (as you say "deep south"" FPL, Duke Power, Pike, ...many others.. They have training in their field, some better than others, union or not.They may receive the best training ever such as FPL gives in Miami.BUT the safety aspect depends on the person themselves. I would "assume" taking shortcuts or being in a hurry is one of the reasons that there are "contacts" It is up to the lineman to make sure he is safe no matter what training they have had.
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some energy leftover in sw carib might get drawn in north to our northeaster
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Quoting arnoldk:
Well, like I said, I expected flack and I got it just like we did when I was working with the boobs that caused the problems. BUT, before you all go off, your next excursion should be the talent of LEARNING TO READ ! I did not say all, many were actually good hands, BUT even they in MANY instances employed practises that WERE NOT acceptable under union guidlines as safe procedure. Now you can play the injured jip all you like, but if you are qualified and have worked around and been a traveler ticket, you know this is true. And as to geographics, I am relating the facts as I witnessed them. By large and far the most problematic inexperienced people were from the deep south and non union. Their practises were extremely unsafe and they, IF lucky were discovered before they were killed or killed someone else and discharged. So if you don't like the heat of the truth, you can get out of the kitchen. IBEW hands are safe acredited workers.


Unfortunately everybody makes mistakes. We just lost an IBEW worker here last month. He Was a longtime employee and a friend to many.

Link
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Quoting arnoldk:
Well, like I said, I expected flack and I got it just like we did when I was working with the boobs that caused the problems. BUT, before you all go off, your next excursion should be the talent of LEARNING TO READ ! I did not say all, many were actually good hands, BUT even they in MANY instances employed practises that WERE NOT acceptable under union guidlines as safe procedure. Now you can play the injured jip all you like, but if you are qualified and have worked around and been a traveler ticket, you know this is true. And as to geographics, I am relating the facts as I witnessed them. By large and far the most problematic inexperienced people were from the deep south and non union. Their practises were extremely unsafe and they, IF lucky were discovered before they were killed or killed someone else and discharged. So if you don't like the heat of the truth, you can get out of the kitchen. IBEW hands are safe acredited workers.


Do you have any statistics to back this up? Or are you just blabbering?
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Quoting sar2401:

Or you see the story based on experience in the electric utility industry and the history of trying to work with unions in that industry. Take your pick.
in whichever fashion you don your assumptions.. i'm sure we'll be able to have an effective peer review session over this issue in coming days
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Quoting JerseyShoreGirl:
I live on the skirt of. Barnegat about 3 blocks from the Bay. I can see the lighthouse from my window that is how close i am. We werevery scared to see just how fast the water came up on us...only in minutes. Thankfully we missed indoor flooding by 5". Homes along the lagoons have scum lines on the outside that show slab homes had at least 3ft of water. I am here using my cell to hear what everyone has to say about this possible storm on Wednesday. People are depending on this site and mainly this blog so we can prepare for more. Please post info on this possible storm often as we here are counting on those with the resources. Thank you all for being our eyes and ears out there.
God bless everyone there and stay strong. Start preparing for cold windy wet weather. If there are holes in roofs, get tarps and nail them down. Get boards over broken windows. This recovery is going to take longer than you think. And additional storms will cause more problems for everyone.
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Well, like I said, I expected flack and I got it just like we did when I was working with the boobs that caused the problems. BUT, before you all go off, your next excursion should be the talent of LEARNING TO READ ! I did not say all, many were actually good hands, BUT even they in MANY instances employed practises that WERE NOT acceptable under union guidlines as safe procedure. Now you can play the injured jip all you like, but if you are qualified and have worked around and been a traveler ticket, you know this is true. And as to geographics, I am relating the facts as I witnessed them. By large and far the most problematic inexperienced people were from the deep south and non union. Their practises were extremely unsafe and they, IF lucky were discovered before they were killed or killed someone else and discharged. So if you don't like the heat of the truth, you can get out of the kitchen. IBEW hands are safe acredited workers.
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Quoting arnoldk:
Theres another isue that needs to be told here. I am retred from line work and was nearly always with unionized shops in one way or another. I worked for utilities and for private companies. I can tell you one VERY importat issue we ocasionally had with non union and almost always deep southern utility workers. There work habit were unsafe as compared to our standards. Now this may draw fire, but I personally witnesed death and injury because of this exact thing.I saw inexperienced people attempt to do hazardous work and get injured. Also many standard prcatise accepted by southern utility workers authority just aren't aceptable practise in union work. I could relate many specifics, but for lack of space here I won't. We were forced by state regulation to entertain these workers and bids because of right to work laws. This proved to be very costly for some individuals that actually wound up dead because of ineperience and or knowledge of procedure. There are standards for build and with a few men from a local shop being involved, the problems of different voltages or system choices can be resolved. BUT providing people who had little or NO experience and calling them line hands or helpers is nothing but a recipe for disaster. Union line workers must go through rigorous training and testing long before they are set out to a job. Andif you don't have the propercredentials when arriving for work, you will not go to work. Period. This is built in for everyones safety. Because of the inherent dangers associated with this kindof work, other hands working "down line" from you have to depend on his "brother" to do the right thing at the right time and to ask if he doesn't.And rarely, but ocaisonally accidents still happen even among members. But I personally was aware of and orwitnessed so many accidents by non union people that many of us including myself refused to work with these people.It is Nothing Personal and NOTHING MONEY or POLITICAL, just plenty on safety of everyone. High voltage isunforgiving and everyone has to know their job or others can and will be hurt or killed.


Excellent post! Could have done with some paragraphs, though!
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Quoting ChillinInTheKeys:


You'd think they would it least put those food trucks and generators to work in the meantime.

Yep, you'd think so, but I guess the race must go on. Emaciated foreigners prancing through your streets are always more important than little things like food, water, and power. I wonder where all the runners with self-induced injuries will be treated, considering the fact that two of largest hospitals in the city are closed?
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Quoting EricGreen:
Dr. Masters wrote:

"The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada."

Sad to say, physics tells us that it's impossible to "pull" with a fluid, especially air. What happens is that the pressure differences push the air from higher to lower areas of pressure. The pressure is the result of gravity, which does "pull" the air to the surface. The densest air, usually the coldest, is pulled to the bottom of the atmosphere and during winter, the cold air masses flow toward the tropics from the Arctic, completing the circulation loop of warm air flowing toward the pole(s).

Sure, it's easiest to say to the average science idiot that that cold air is being "pulled", but that isn't the proper cause-and-effect relationship. Lots of "meteorologist" of the TV sort say this crap all the time, but it isn't correct and some college level texts miss the distinction as well. I would think that Dr. Masters would do better, but I suppose not, especially as he now works for the Weather Channel. The distinction may be very important when discussing climate change, as one result of a warmer Earth may be an increase in the strength of the tropic to pole circulation in Winter, thus more cold air flow on the return side of the loop.

Well, yeah, but Dr. Masters isn't teaching a college level advanced meteorology course. He's trying to communicate to the masses of people who could care less about a fine distinction like this. I'm sure he would word it differently in a scientific paper. Of course, his ability communicate difficult concepts in ways most people would understand may be why he's been interviewed on many media outlets over the past week...and you haven't.
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Quoting sar2401:
Read this article and look at the pictures.

NY Marathon Stuff

The riot will be televised.


You'd think they would at least put those food trucks and generators to work in the meantime.
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Quoting sar2401:
Read this article and look at the pictures.

NY Marathon Stuff

The riot will be televised.


This may make people forget all about The Chocolate City...this could be an unfortunatly epic moment..a real low in our history. Reading the comments from the New Yorkers after the article shows how upset the public is about it...I sure hope people keep their heads about this
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Read this article and look at the pictures.

NY Marathon Stuff

The riot will be televised.
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Dr. Masters wrote:

"The storm will accelerate to the north-northeast on Wednesday and pull in cold air from Canada."

Sad to say, physics tells us that it's impossible to "pull" with a fluid, especially air. What happens is that the pressure differences push the air from higher to lower areas of pressure. The pressure is the result of gravity, which does "pull" the air to the surface. The densest air, usually the coldest, is pulled to the bottom of the atmosphere and during winter, the cold air masses flow toward the tropics from the Arctic, completing the circulation loop of warm air flowing toward the pole(s).

Sure, it's easiest to say to the average science idiot that that cold air is being "pulled", but that isn't the proper cause-and-effect relationship. Lots of "meteorologist" of the TV sort say this crap all the time, but it isn't correct and some college level texts miss the distinction as well. I would think that Dr. Masters would do better, but I suppose not, especially as he now works for the Weather Channel. The distinction may be very important when discussing climate change, as one result of a warmer Earth may be an increase in the strength of the tropic to pole circulation in Winter, thus more cold air flow on the return side of the loop.
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Quoting JerseyShoreGirl:
I live on the skirt of. Barnegat about 3 blocks from the Bay. I can see the lighthouse from my window that is how close i am. We werevery scared to see just how fast the water came up on us...only in minutes. Thankfully we missed indoor flooding by 5". Homes along the lagoons have scum lines on the outside that show slab homes had at least 3ft of water. I am here using my cell to hear what everyone has to say about this possible storm on Wednesday. People are depending on this site and mainly this blog so we can prepare for more. Please post info on this possible storm often as we here are counting on those with the resources. Thank you all for being our eyes and ears out there.
Been to Barnegat many times. Grandparents lived in Waretown. Lost house there in Dec-1992. Glad ya made without serious damage..:)
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It was trolling.


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I don't know, I constantly see dead and injured line workers littering the streets here in Alabama because of their poor training and lazy work habits. I sure wouldn't want those bums working on my lines in Queens if my power was off.
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And read it...they left because they wouldn't agree to Union Rules...extortion in the face of disaster....



is there a climate change union????
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