Hurricane Sandy, Davis, W.V. - photos taken by Beau Dodson
Everyone has seen photos of the damage inflicted by Hurricane Sandy that destroyed New Jersey, NYC, & Long Island as well as other areas on the East Coast.
I am finally back on line after 4 days without power. It has been a long ordeal. My block was extremely fortunate. We didn't have any trees fall and no flooding but the entire area is devastated. This is a photo of a tree that fell between the street, smashed, the car, and blew out the tires. No one was hurt.
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This was a 5.8 out of 6 on the surge scale, a surge more like a major hurricane's that hit in an abnormal westerly direction. And really? 156 mph winds and 20 feet of water in Miami vs a cat 1 at new york? And just curious, at what speed do regular windows blowout if nothing hits them?
Do you think they are supported by the fact of the lack of an actual hurricane warning? All I know is the wunderground map for Sandy never showed anything of the sort north of NC.
Not that everyone wasn't shouting "Hurricane!"
yes really, the only thing that made this so bad was its size...a cat 5 hurricanes winds are over an area so small bc stronger hurricanes are much tighter together, so 155mph winds blowing over and area 20 miles wide vs 75 -100mph gusts over 300 miles pushes way more water. hurricane andrew perfect example, no much damage in downtown while 20 miles south where it made landfall complete destruction. If a noreaster of this size happend in florida the same would have happened as it did in NY/NJ.....not sure about the window thing but wilma blew quite a few out in dt ft. lauderdale with winds of 115 so i guess that depends on the building and how it was built.
Maybe a tropical system in the Caribbean that becomes a Nor'easter?
both reliable models are showing a week/decent noreaster in the wed/thursday time frame....gfs is weaker/warmer off the coast, while euro is showing stronger wrapping in the cold with some snow on the back side
That Nor'easter doesn't come from the Caribbean, although the GFS has been inconsistently hinting at long-range formation in roughly the same location as Sandy.
Ah thanks.
This could be extremely bad for the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeast...
I love snow but still, bad for the ones who are out of power already and having several impacts.
Offshore flow.
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #27
WELL MARKED LOW PRESSURE AREA, FORMER NILAM (BOB02-2012)
8:30 AM IST November 2 2012
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At 3:00 AM UTC, Yesterday's depression over southern Interior Karnataka and neighborhood weakened into a well marked low pressure area and now lays over northern Interior Karnataka and adjoining Rayalaseema. The system would likely weaken further during the next 12 hours.
This is the final tropical cyclone advisory from the India Meteorological Department
It's currently around 66 degrees and calm here in Nassau, which is a genuine WINTER type temperature in this here place... WHOOhoo!!!
Sandy seems to have put paid to the stiflingly hot and humid weather we experienced throughout September and October. I'm pulling out my jacket / coat with pleasure this morning...
Of greater concern is how residents of the storm-torn NE US will cope with plummeting temperatures.
Because the center of Sandy came ashore north of Delaware, so the winds blew the tide/surge out to sea, not inland like in NJ northwards.
Some will die.
the models still have not back off.. a east coast noreaster.
00z CMC
00z Euro
Aside, this is what I've just found on "Science Daily":
Why Seas Are Rising Ahead of Predictions:
Estimates of Rate of Future Sea-Level Rise May Be Too Low
ScienceDaily (Nov. 1, 2012) %u2014
Sea levels are rising faster than expected from global warming, and University of Colorado geologist Bill Hay has a good idea why. The last official IPCC report in 2007 projected a global sea level rise between 0.2 and 0.5 meters by the year 2100. But current sea-level rise measurements meet or exceed the high end of that range and suggest a rise of one meter or more by the end of the century.
"What's missing from the models used to forecast sea-level rise are critical feedbacks that speed everything up," says Hay. He will be presenting some of these feedbacks in a talk on Nov. 4, at the meeting of The Geological Society of America in Charlotte, North Carolina, USA.
One of those feedbacks involves Arctic sea ice, another the Greenland ice cap, and another soil moisture and groundwater mining.
More
And another one from Nov, 1th:
Long-Term Sea Level Rise in Washington, D.C. Could Have Significant Impact
Hmm, wonder if it's the same system that's making it howl outside my window here in Iceland!
Unfortunately, a large portion of the people you're talking to are Americans who don't believe in global warming. And "belief" really is the issue here, because... well, I like to think of the Ganges. It's one of the most polluted rivers in the world. People bury their dead in it, bathe in it, their waste flows into it, trash ends up into it, etc. Yet you see pilgrims adamantly refusing to admit that it's polluted even though you can smell the stench and see trash, chemicals, etc. To them, the river is a goddess; accepting that it's not healthy to get in the waters is just inacceptable, so they deny what's directly in front of their face.
It's simply not acceptable to a sizeable portion of the American population to accept that the burning of fossil fuels is altering the planet's climate. It doesn't matter what data you show them. Even if it's very visible examples.
For example, I try to help people envision how much CO2 their car is emitting by pointing out that the average passenger vehicle in the US emits 4760kg (4.76 tonnes) of CO2 per year (14k miles / 25mpg * 8.5kg/gallon) - well more than the weight of the car, a volume that would take up a cube 186 feet on each side (4760kg * 1000g/kg /22 molar mass ~= 216000m^3). Or to put that another way, a Hindenberg full of pre-industrial air contains 56 m^3 of CO2 (200000m^3 * 280/100000ppmv. With the CO2 your car puts out every year, you could double the CO2 levels in ~3850 Hindenbergs. Every year. If you drive your 25mpg car 14000 miles every year for 55 years, that's 212000 Hindenbergs. That's 212000 of these:
Link
Just from your car. And fuel burned in passenger vehicles is just a small fraction of the CO2 total. And you are but one person in a multitude. Yes, the atmosphere is big. But that's a LOT of CO2.
You can go through hoops like that, putting it in plain, easy to envision terms. But it doesn't make a difference. Because it's not acceptable for them to accept that *they*, all of us, are radically altering our planet around them in a profoundly negative way for humans and other species. They don't want to, can't let themselves, see their car or their air conditioner as hurting the world around them that they care about - and they *do* care about it, the same as everyone else. And so, figuratively, they keep bathing in the Ganges as garbage floats by.
BTW, speaking of melt... here in Iceland this summer, for the first time in recorded history, Snæfell's glacier receded to the point where the peak of the mountain could be seen sticking through. That's Snæfell, literally a place called "Snow Mountain" in a country called "Iceland", the towering snowy cap that's a permanent part of Reykjavík's distant horizon on clear days... now no longer completely a snowy cap in the summer. At the rate it's receding, it's expected to lose it's entire glacier in 20-30 years. I guess they'll have to rename the "Extreme Chill: Undir Jökli" ("Below the Glacier") music festival to "Extreme Chill: Undir Felli" (Below the Mountain) :P Or move to a different glacier... although even our biggest is only supposed to last 200-300 years, and that's based on current melt assumptions, which are probably too optimistic.
That is not good, not good at all. Hopefully no one else turns up dead but with all that happened I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the number continue to rise.
Almost.
Gro,
I know you have been watching this model all season...how much has it been right?
What you posted there is the Mayan number 14. Although you have the "ones" arranged oddly.
It has performed very well. I do not know the percentage. It is one of the models which I used to show Debbie moving east into Floria and stalling for two days, Isaac, which would move through the windward passage and go to New Orleans when other models had it moving up the East Coast. Also 6 days before this and the EURO had Sandy moving into Ocean County NJ, which I posted as early as Friday of last week. Unfortunately, it was correct.
I knew about the success of it with Isaac...I lived thru that lol...thanks! A new tool in the box is always better if it is reliable. With the changes to patterns we will need all we can get going forward
do you use fossil fuels??? are you part of the problem??
Karen, when I give a talk on CO2 added to the atmosphere from fossil fuels I use the numbers from a single gallon of gasoline. That produces approximately 20 pounds of CO2 which at standard temperature and pressure fills a bag of about 160 cubic feet. And that just happens to be close to my size standing with my arms extended. I do my little circle to show the audience that volume and then tell them that we burn about 3 billion gallons of petroleum per day worldwide so we make person-sized bags of CO2 for a little less than half of the population of the planet everyday. Then I let them know that that does not include the natural gas and, most importantly, the coal.
It appears that the main reluctance to admitting the problem stems from the fact that once you do see it and accept it into your worldview, it requires you to change your way of doing things. Change is what those who don't see the feces floating in the Ganges are really fighting. Storms like Sandy literally blow the feces into faces, making it impossible for those folks not to see and smell. Katrina was my Sandy.
I salute you for doing your part. My best...
I don't think so. It seems a pulse of energy will be moving from the midwest and exiting somewhere off the coast of North and South Carolina and moving NE. It doesn't look very strong on the early model runs this morning.
The entire way of life for most developed countries is based upon the idea of unlimited, cheap energy from fossil fuels with no incentive for clean, sustainable energy. That means that all of us, as a collective, are part of the problem. As such, all of us, as a collective, will be the solution.
Trying to divert the topic away from the issue at hand toward someone whose livelihood uses any amount of fossil fuels ever completely misses the point, and is a loaded question - the implication is that if someone advocating for/against something is doing/not-doing that something, their statements have no merit. Of course this isn't truthful, and in this situation there is virtually no way to live in developed society as it currently exists without using fossil fuels and contributing to pollution and climate change. Although everyone can do their part, to actually make major changes to the predicted outcome, major changes need to be made to the cause.
The replacing of incentives for dirty, limited energy sources and with incentives for sustainable, clean energy competition. Continuation of tax credits for those who choose to mitigate their carbon footprint with wind/solar panels. Free market cap and trade systems. These are the foundational steps to how we can collectively reduce greenhouse gas emissions, extend the lifetime of our energy sources, and mitigate climate change.
The FIM9 is also very good.
You're right on the not-that-strong part
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But what should we do ...I understand for example, that one transatlantic flight per person, on that flight equals the average person driving for a year . But If we use ships it would cause global Cooling. or are we supposed go back to pre 1850's living.
Theres an interesting piece that I remembered that was in The Guardian quite a while ago Link
I am thankful I wasn't south of Merrick Road. No damage to my house. I haven't had electricity since Monday night. I have some cash, batteries, and flashlights and gas top stove. I can't complain.
I really curse the media (listening to the radio)for adding to the hype about gas running out. The word of mouth spread quickly, and bingo. Can't find gas along my route to work. But you know what? I know as power comes back, the stations with gas will be able to pump. Just takes time. OMG...the people panicking. Crazy!
Probably the same people complaining that LIPA isn't restoring power fast enough...just so they can sit on their asses and watch TV.
On the other hand, so many people pooring out support to those who lost everything in the surge. One large group of Massapequa moms, who live north of the Merrick road disaster, have opened their homes to anyone who needs to do laundry, charge cell phones, hot meals, or just a cup of hot coffee. They are getting donations together of clothes, or toys, baby strollers, and other items to give to those in need.
Where there is bad, also remember there is good.
Can't believe a coastal storm may head this way....jeez. *faintly lol*
And they will be without power even longer thanks to their policies... Power restoration workers turned back because they weren't union. Really? Seriously? Link
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