Hurricane Sandy, Davis, W.V. - photos taken by Beau Dodson
Everyone has seen photos of the damage inflicted by Hurricane Sandy that destroyed New Jersey, NYC, & Long Island as well as other areas on the East Coast.
I am finally back on line after 4 days without power. It has been a long ordeal. My block was extremely fortunate. We didn't have any trees fall and no flooding but the entire area is devastated. This is a photo of a tree that fell between the street, smashed, the car, and blew out the tires. No one was hurt.
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I'm sorry, I understood. I was agreeing with you, didn't say it well. They do these things after the fact no matter what the experiences they've already had most of the time.
As of this afternoon, everyone from FEMA to you name it is there. Why they didn't get there faster was because the ferries or rescue boats couldn't run until the coast guard gave the all clear for boat traffic to resume normal opperation. Buoys were washed away, channel markers, and lots of debrie. They would of had to mark chanels and such with temp nav buoys so you wouldn't run aground.
Just going to add a bit. It takes at least 3 to 4 days no matter if you are on an island or not for authorities to 1. get over the shock. 2. get on the phone to get things started. Thats why we need at least 4 days of food and beer before the help arrives in most cases.
TROPICAL STORM ROSA ADVISORY NUMBER 12
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172012
800 PM PDT THU NOV 01 2012
...ROSA STATIONARY...
SUMMARY OF 800 PM PDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...13.7N 118.4W
ABOUT 845 MI...1360 KM SW OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...STATIONARY
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB...29.62 INCHES
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172012
800 PM PDT THU NOV 01 2012
THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE CHANGE WITH ROSA OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS.
MICROWAVE AND LAST-LIGHT VISIBLE IMAGES SHOWED THAT THE LOW-LEVEL
CENTER IS STILL LOCATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CONVECTION DUE
TO MODERATE WESTERLY SHEAR. THE INITIAL INTENSITY REMAINS 45 KT
BASED ON THE LATEST DVORAK ESTIMATES FROM TAFB AND SAB. THERE IS NO
CHANGE TO THE NHC INTENSITY FORECAST...AS ROSA SHOULD GRADUALLY
WEAKEN THROUGH THE PERIOD WHILE THE SHEAR INCREASES DUE TO AN
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH. THE CYCLONE SHOULD BECOME A REMNANT LOW IN
ABOUT 3 DAYS.
THE CURRENT MOTION APPEARS TO BE STATIONARY...AND LITTLE NET MOTION
IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS ROSA IS SITUATED EAST OF A
WEAKENING MID-LEVEL RIDGE AND SOUTH OF A FLAT MID-LEVEL TROUGH.
AFTER THAT TIME...THE MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GENERAL AGREEMENT ON A
NORTHWESTWARD MOTION DEVELOPING AS A MID-LEVEL LOW FORMS WEST OF
BAJA CALIFORNIA AND RETROGRADES TO THE NORTH OF ROSA. WHILE THERE IS
STILL SOME LATERAL SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE...THE SPREAD HAS
DECREASED A BIT OVER THE PAST FEW CYCLES. SINCE THE PREVIOUS
OFFICIAL FORECAST LIES NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE...
LITTLE CHANGE WAS MADE TO THE NHC TRACK. THE NHC FORECAST IS CLOSE
TO THE GEFS ENSEMBLE MEAN AND A BLEND OF THE ECMWF AND GFS MODELS
AT DAYS 3 THROUGH 5.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 02/0300Z 13.7N 118.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 02/1200Z 13.6N 118.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 03/0000Z 13.5N 118.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
36H 03/1200Z 13.5N 118.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 04/0000Z 13.7N 118.8W 35 KT 40 MPH
72H 05/0000Z 14.9N 119.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 06/0000Z 16.7N 120.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 07/0000Z 19.0N 122.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN
I grew up with stories of Staten Island. My grandfather grew up there on the Perine Estate. I have some great pictures of him there. I wondered what had happened to it in Sandy.
Yes, but much of that was done a long long time ago! The subway's been there for 100 years and NY was built up back then as well...can't blame the gov of any time recent for that! Not much difference that mostly sea-level Florida etc either.
So why did you waste 10 miles worth of gas when you have a 20 mile "high-priority" assignment tomorrow? You might have made it if not for that 10 miles. Did you not know a storm was coming that might cause power to go off? You had no opportunity to fill up before the storm? I'm not trying to bust your chops, but it seems like some advance planning might have helped your problem.
yes. true but florida can take a cat 5 better than new york can take a cat 1
The communication is very sporadic. They have been concentrating on Tottenville, if you are familiar with that area.
Is this a semi-official or official blob? :)
I do think there is some degree of over-inflated costs for things the last 20 years, and even more so probably the last 10. A lot of people make a lot of money out of disasters. And when there's a lot of people needing, prices do tend to get higher. Not saying everyone, everywhere is a vulture ready to prey on those who need to rebuild, but there's a lot of them. NY are is one of the priciest in the world, so even though the south has seen greater devestation (not saying some places in the NE haven't seen a dose mind) but the cost will likely be even higher just cause it's there. And add the subway's, well that's a mess and much more difficult than roads.
edit: and can probably add population growth to it, so even more to deal with with that alone even
I don't have the link but they let you know what gas stations are running, most are rationing gas. Alot are not out of gas but just without electricity to run their pumps, check in the morn for who got their power back on re: gas stations
It really looks like that low in the N/E ATL is trying to get further south to some warmer waters! Feed me feed me!
The positive fact is that you have internet... Check out online services for commuting in your area.... I believe there are car pool website links....
Also, take some family, friends with you with 5gal bottles and leave them in different stations.... That way you increase your probabilities....
Link
Except for looking at maps, I'm not at all familar with Staten Island. I see it's 59 square miles with only about 468,000 people. The number of deaths reported so far seem out of proportion to the population, especially with so many bodies still being found in homes. I've heard a lot of excuses why aid has been so slow to reach the island, but it appears there are four bridges that can be used for traffic. There are also a lot of heavy-lift helicopters on scene. It seems like it just got forgotten about until today.
when it feels like it
Not argueing with you there!!
I feel really bad for some places that got hit bad like Staten Isle and New Jersey, they probs didn't really realise what was coming like someone in the south would (warnings or not). But then to see central New Yorkers in the areas with no electric, flooding libraries to charge their iphones and huddled around the front of closed Starbucks for their wi-fi, shows the scope of difference I think. I know being without power sucks, as get here frequently, but a world of difference between no power and devestated neighborhoods. I was surprised to come home and see the death toll having risen so much.
I think this year has been the wake up call year. Between cat 1 Isaac doing mucho damage and Sandy. Shows doesn't need to be a major. Sure leaves me wondering what surprises we may get here this winter. We have rubbish weather generally, but things have been odder the last few. I always have back up from growing up in earthquake country, but it still worries me what could happen!
No problem, I didn't take it any other way. It's very frustrating to see these same mistakes being made time after time and no one ever seems to learn. I guess there are too many old geezers like me that have retired, and the young pups haven't had enough time to learn.
http://m.pe.com/penterprise/db_101732/contentdeta il.htm?contentguid=nQgfwj1N
It is trying but it will not make it all the way down or even to the west. It could strengthen some though.
Here is the ECMWF image at 168 hours'
Pre-blob visual imagery.
Could the NYC/CT area get some snow or rain/snow mix from this storm
via Reuters
This is one time I really hope the models are wrong. Many areas still won't have power in a week, and a cold an snowy low is about the last thing those folks need to deal with. Most models at 7+ days have been fantasy land stuff...except for Sandy. I'm hoping that they return to their usual loopy forecasts now.
as the models show right now its mostly a rain event, we all know how things can change though, the trend is for warmer weather after sunday for the eastcoast
If the models prove accurate, that's exactly what would happen. As I wrote, let's hope they are wrong, or that the low won't be as deep as what's being projected.
Im from CT...Danbury, CT
It is really bad..I work in Norwalk, CT...so much damage there
that looks a bit too strong for me
im not seeing any snow in the model runs all rain even inland and up to maine, actually the rain snow line isnt even in the precipitation its well north and west of it in all the models, the rain snow line doesnt come south until the low exits up into canada.
Yep glad your alright. Same as some other storms they just seem to focus on one area when there is devistation in many states all around them. 12 states affected by this storm give or take a state but you wouldn't know it reading the news.
hmmmm, I'll bet this will be a nightmare for the insurance companies to figure out...wanna bet this goes to court and who do you blame? You know that the insurance companies will fight this and if they don't I will definitely be surprised. Insurance companies are dropping people left and right along the gulf coast..just sad and bad for many..
One week isn't that far out when literally all the models are calling for something.
On second look, you're right. I'm not sure working in cold rain is better than snow, but at least it looks less likely that we'll have a blizzard.
Yes, I know. I'm just hoping they are all nuts again this time, as they have been for other storms this year.
Even if they're off with the track, they haven't been bad at all when it comes to projecting the development of low pressure systems (not just tropical cyclones). Going by that alone, I feel pretty confident in the development of a non-tropical low off the eastern seaboard seven or so days from now.
It's not clear to me how a governor can make a declaration that Sandy wasn't a hurricane when the NHC did, even showing it intensifying right up until landfall. When this goes to court (which I'm sure it will), I suspect the judge and jury are more likely to listen to hurricane experts than governors with vested interests.
thats for the GFS...i went back to look at the euro and it actually does show a fairly decent snow (for early november standards) from nyc northward....so i think the euro has been spot in the past few storms, if that pans out it will be colder and snowy...not good
From what I read in the paper, the State Ins Honchos met with the head honchos of the big insurer's.... State Farm, etc. The insurance companies agreed that the storm was not a hurricane. The article said there were not SUSTAINED winds of 100 mph. Yes.. 100mph.. that is the figure which was quoted in the newspaper article.
I have a feeling we are going to see some new peril definitions appear in our renewal policies as time progresses along with more cancellations and people having to enter the "high risk" pool.
Alot of cities are at sea level. Cause they're ports. And if you've seen a picture of a city street from the late 1800s, lived under the Chicago Loop (I haven't) or had the weather cut your power more than zero times in 20 years then you'd appreciate the undergroundness. (The Great Blizzard of 1888 put an end to all that) What is stupid is why people didn't raise the land or build a wall or something. I'm sure it's cause I'm used to actually being able to see the slope (and more average NYC elevations of 20-100 feet) (and I lived in Raleigh and loved TWC for a year, and know how bad global warming could get) but when I went far downtown for the first time since childhood I thought "this area is ridiculous". It has almost no descernable slope, the park looks like pancake flat from the air and I'm surrounded by the sea. The subway entrances are inches above sea level by midtown standards. And guess what, it happened - far sooner than I expected.
Of course I went to the water many times before but I guess it's different when you've forgotten how 'oceany' the air is this far south and how surrounded the land feels.
I feel for you, but just to let you know I'm 28 and my mother and step father are on their way as we speak to Long Beach area to spend a week to volunteer their time through their church.... We're from Sarasota, Fl. You are not forgotten by everyone :)
This was a 5.8 out of 6 on the surge scale, a surge more like a major hurricane's that hit in an abnormal westerly direction. And really? 156 mph winds and 20 feet of water in Miami vs a cat 1 at new york? And just curious, at what speed do regular windows blowout if nothing hits them?
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