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Why did Hurricane Sandy take such an unusual track into New Jersey?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:33 PM GMT on October 31, 2012 +64
We're used to seeing hurricane-battered beaches and flooded cities in Florida, North Carolina, and the Gulf Coast. But to see these images from the Jersey Shore and New York City in the wake of Hurricane Sandy is a shocking experience. New Jersey only rarely gets hit by hurricanes because it lies in a portion of the coast that doesn't stick out much, and is too far north. How did this happen? How was a hurricane able to move from southeast to northwest at landfall, so far north, and so late in hurricane season? We expect hurricanes to move from east to west in the tropics, where the prevailing trade winds blow that direction. But the prevailing wind direction reverses at mid-latitudes, flowing predominately west-to-east, due to the spin of the Earth. Hurricanes that penetrate to about Florida's latitude usually get caught up in these westerly winds, and are whisked northeastwards, out to sea. However, the jet stream, that powerful band of upper-atmosphere west-to-east flowing air, has many dips and bulges. These troughs of low pressure and ridges of high pressure allow winds at mid-latitudes to flow more to the north or to the south. Every so often, a trough in the jet stream bends back on itself when encountering a ridge of high pressure stuck in place ahead of it. These "negatively tilted" troughs have winds that flow from southeast to northwest. It is this sort of negatively tilted trough that sucked in Sandy and allowed the hurricane to take such an unusual path into New Jersey.


Figure 1. Inlet section of Atlantic City, N.J., after Hurricane Sandy. Image credit: 6 ABC Action News.

The 1903 Vagabond Hurricane
The only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851 besides Sandy was the 1903 Category 1 Vagabond Hurricane. According to Wikipedia, the Vagabond Hurricane caused heavy damage along the New Jersey coast ($180 million in 2006 dollars.) The hurricane killed 57 people, and endangered the life of President Theodore Roosevelt, who was sailing on a yacht near Long Island, NY, when the hurricane hit. However, the Vagabond Hurricane hit in September, when the jet stream is typically weaker and farther to the north. It is quite extraordinary that Sandy was able to hit New Jersey in late October, when the jet stream is typically stronger and farther south, making recurvature to the northeast much more likely than in September.


Figure 2. The path of the 1903 Vagabond Hurricane, the only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851.

The blocking ridge that steered Sandy into New Jersey
A strong ridge of high pressure parked itself over Greenland beginning on October 20, creating a "blocking ridge" that prevented the normal west-to-east flow of winds over Eastern North America. Think of the blocking ridge like a big truck parked over Greenland. Storms approaching from the west (like the fall low pressure system that moved across the U.S. from California to Pennsylvania last week) or from the south (Hurricane Sandy) were blocked from heading to the northeast. Caught in the equivalent of an atmospheric traffic jam, the two storms collided over the Northeast U.S., combined into one, and are now waiting for the truck parked over Greenland to move. The strength of the blocking ridge, as measured by the strength of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), was quite high--about two standard deviations from average, something that occurs approximately 5% of the time. When the NAO is in a strong negative phase, we tend to have blocking ridges over Greenland.


Figure 3. Jet stream winds at a pressure of 300 mb on October 29, 2012, as Hurricane Sandy approached the coast of New Jersey. Note that the wind direction over New Jersey (black arrows) was from the southeast, due to a negatively tilted trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. caused by a strong blocking ridge of high pressure over Greenland. Image credit: NOAA/ESRL.

Arctic sea ice loss can cause blocking ridges
Blocking ridges occur naturally, but are uncommon over Greenland this time of year. According to NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, blocking near the longitude of Greenland (50°W) only occurs about 2% of the time in the fall. These odds rise to about 6% in winter and spring. As I discussed in an April post, Arctic sea ice loss tied to unusual jet stream patterns, three studies published in the past year have found that the jet stream has been getting stuck in unusually strong blocking patterns in recent years. These studies found that the recent record decline in Arctic sea ice could be responsible, since this heats up the pole, altering the Equator-to-pole temperature difference, forcing the jet stream to slow down, meander, and get stuck in large loops. The 2012 Arctic sea ice melt season was extreme, with sea ice extent hitting a record lows. Could sea ice loss have contributed to the blocking ridge that steered Sandy into New Jersey? It is possible, but we will need to much more research on the subject before we make such a link, as the studies of sea ice loss on jet stream patterns are so new. The author of one of the new studies, Dr. Jennifer Francis of Rutgers, had this say in a recent post by Andy Revkin in his Dot Earth blog: "While it’s impossible to say how this scenario might have unfolded if sea-ice had been as extensive as it was in the 1980s, the situation at hand is completely consistent with what I’d expect to see happen more often as a result of unabated warming and especially the amplification of that warming in the Arctic."

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101. LargoFl 6:55 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Nassau county Florida..................YULEE, Fla. (AP) — Two young panthers are being tracked in northeast Florida after Hurricane Sandy knocked down the enclosure fence where they were being raised.
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102. AtHomeInTX 6:55 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Thanks for the explanation DRM. To everyone dealing with Sandy and her aftermath, hang in there. Looks like we're sending people to help also.

Southeast Texans heading to East Coast to help

BEAUMONT- By: Kalie Desimone/ KFDM News

50 billion dollars. that's how much some analysts say the superstorm will cost in property damage and lost business. Millions remain without power. Southeast Texans are coming to the rescue to help with the economic recovery and the restoration of power. Entergy trucks loaded with equipment, heading to the East Coast. "Probably a lot of flood waters, down power lines. That's the main reason we are going and trees damage. That's probably the main concern" says Frank Galassi.

Entergy is sending 22 men to Mays Landing New Jersey. An area hit hard by Sandy. "It's supposed to be the biggest storm they've ever had. There is a lot of people still there that did not evacuate which is a big concern as far as us getting around" says Galassi. 40 men with the power company left for the East Coast Saturday morning. The crews are part of a massive restoration effort. But the Entergy team isn't the only crew traveling to New Jersey and New York.

"We are establishing a list so that we can say people in Beaumont, Port Arthur and Orange area want to work" says Jewel Black. Jewel Black is recruiting workers at the Theodore Johns library in Beaumont. "When a natural disaster happens we want to go. We want to help FEMA" says Black. Help that requires a specific skill set. Hazmat clean up and running heavy machinery. "We need operators, we need labors" says Black.

And they need a lot of help. Hundreds of people. "Last night they said we need between 200 to 500 people" says Black. A job people with a special set of skills want and need in Southeast TTexas. Help with the clean up. What people on the east coast desperately need.

If you're interested in signing up with the Vision Builders Staffing Agency to help with natural disasters, you can come to a recruitment event this Saturday from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. at the L.L. Melton building. You must have a state issued ID card, cell phone and email address. In addition you'll need a 40 hour OSHA EPA hazardous material training certificate and valid passport. There is some other paperwork you'll need as well.

For more information call 1-866-503-3589.
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103. playapics 6:56 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Just to put "Sandy's" regional impact into scale...a woman in Toronto, Ontario Canada lost her life when a "Business Depot" sign blew off of it's moorings and struck and tragically caused fatal injuries to her.

+1 for Sandy...though it's really a negative...JUST SAYIN!!!
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104. LargoFl 7:00 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting playapics:
Just to put "Sandy's" regional impact into scale...a woman in Toronto, Ontario Canada lost her life when a "Business Depot" sign blew off of it's moorings and struck and tragically caused fatal injuries to her.

+1 for Sandy...though it's really a negative...JUST SAYIN!!!
yes its hard for us to comprehend..the sheer size and scope of this storm, yes we can see the pics and maps but somehow it just does not register..15 states and canada..unbelievable...they will be talking about this storm 20 years from now
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105. LostTomorrows 7:03 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
funny tho, NHC isnt mentioning it in the 2pm


I think the NHC is just throwing in the towel after Sandy, but this thing is in a prime environment... just ask Sandy. And recent years have seen at least one storm develop in or even after November, with some seeing storms cross over into November but not form that month... it's become more common place. If we consider all of the above, than 8 of the last 10 years have seen named storms at least at some point after Nov 1.
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106. LargoFl 7:04 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
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107. LargoFl 7:05 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting LostTomorrows:


I think the NHC is just throwing in the towel after Sandy, but this thing is in a prime environment... just ask Sandy. And recent years have seen at least one storm develop in or even after November, with some seeing storms cross over into Novembr but not form that year... it's become more common place. If we consider all of the above, than 8 of the last 10 years have seen named storms at least at some point in November.
yes the season is not over yet
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108. LargoFl 7:07 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
looks still warm over in Texas today..................
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109. playapics 7:07 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting LostTomorrows:


I think the NHC is just throwing in the towel after Sandy, but this thing is in a prime environment... just ask Sandy. And recent years have seen at least one storm develop in or even after November, with some seeing storms cross over into Novembr but not form that year... it's become more common place. If we consider all of the above, than 8 of the last 10 years have seen named storms at least at some point in November.


November is still prime hurricane season...EVERYWHERE!!...I don't get your point!?

Henry
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110. LargoFl 7:09 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
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111. pottery 7:11 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
A surprising, and welcomed, blow-up of convective activity just East of Trinidad this morning and continuing.
A couple showers with lightening and some stiff breezes in squalls came through earlier.

About time !
Send more !!
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112. LargoFl 7:13 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
folks this headline is misleading..yes the airports are open..but no planes there..had to fly them away to keep them safe from sandy.................................Airports and stock exchange reopen; New Jersey devastated
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113. LargoFl 7:14 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting pottery:
A surprising, and welcomed, blow-up of convective activity just East of Trinidad this morning and continuing.
A couple showers with lightening and some stiff breezes in squalls came through earlier.

About time !
Send more !!
Hi pottery, hope you get some rain
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114. srqthymesage 7:14 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting bwi:


I'm in MD, and we're very concerned. Thanks to Dr. Masters' blog, I learned about the interaction of climate change with both tropical and non-tropical weather. Because of the higher likelihood of heavy precipitation events and storms, due the warmer water and other GW effects, I outfitted our house for generator power. I figured the enhanced likelihood of both tropical storms (although I presumed that early-season July and August storms would be the problem, not late October!) and also heavier-precip winter storms would justify the cost.

My prep paid off during Snowmageddon, this summer's derecho, Irene, and now Sandy.

Fortunately, our house is on high ground, so we're resistant to freshwater flooding and well above the current surge zone. However, if global warming accelerates to an extreme pace and there is dramatic melting of terrestrial ice and a sea-level rise of more than 5 meters (I don't think it will in my lifetime, but the way things are going you never know) we could have oceanfront property!

I'd rather not take that chance, however, so we've mostly converted our day-to-day transport to person powered (bikes). We still have a car for long trips and hauling big items, but bike commuting is the easiest way I know to make a big difference in CO2 emissions. And I follow blogs like Dr. Masters to keep up with the science best I can, despite the distractions from commenters who either can't comprehend or do not care to deal with the climate changes taking place and their causes.
Thank you for your caring for us and the planet by cycling. I have been cycling for 20+ years and recycling for 30+ years, so you are in good company...many of us care, too.
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115. LostTomorrows 7:16 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting playapics:


November is still prime hurricane season...EVERYWHERE!!...I don't get your point!?

Henry


I don't get yours either, I never said it wasn't part of the hurricane season, but it's not known to be very active. The Jet Stream is usually too low and cooler SSTs generally pervade. I'm merely pointing out the fact that, as Largo said, the season's not over and that activity in November has been trending upwards lately.

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116. LargoFl 7:16 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
A near-record low barometric pressure occurred with Sandy offshore Monday afternoon. The pressure bottomed at 27.76 inches. For a storm north of Cape Hatteras, N.C., Hurricane Gladys of 1977 holds the record at 27.73 inches. Gladys was a Category 4 hurricane which remained off the coast of the U.S.
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117. Tazmanian 7:17 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting BADHYPEAGAIN:
could have a cat 3 or 4 next week near florida




wishcaster
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118. LargoFl 7:19 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT WED OCT 31 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED THE LAST PUBLIC
ADVISORY ON THE REMNANTS OF SANDY...LOCATED OVER SOUTHERN ONTARIO.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.
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119. Neapolitan 7:20 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
From the Department of Energy's most recent situation report released at 10 CDT today:

DOE

Not sure why they don't tally the last two columns, so I did; the "Peak Outages Reported in DOE SitReps" column adds up to 8,428,078 customers without power at peak, and 2,178,681 customers for whom power has been restored.
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120. Doppler22 7:22 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Ummmmmmmm what?????

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
214 PM EDT WED OCT 31 2012

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND METROSAFE IN LOUISVILLE
KENTUCKY.

LOUISVILLE METROSAFE ASKS THAT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A FIVE MILE
RADIUS OF DIXIE HIGHWAY AND KATHERINE STATION ROAD SHELTER IN
PLACE UNTIL THE ALL CLEAR IS GIVEN. AN EXPLOSION OCCURRED EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON AT THE TRAIN DERAILMENT SITE. TO SHELTER IN
PLACE...CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS AND TURN OFF ANY SYSTEM THAT
PULLS IN OUTSIDE AIR. STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES.
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121. LargoFl 7:22 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
After Sandy..one Risk NO one is thinking about..........Beware of the rats: One of the hardest hit areas in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy was New York City (NYC). As with most large cities, NYC has an enormous population of rats, most living beneath the city streets, and when the lower levels of the subways began to flood, the rats had no choice but to come to the surface. Now, according to a report from the Daily Mail, those displaced rats will move into buildings in an attempt to find food and shelter. Rats can spread a number of diseases to humans, including leptospirosis, hantavirus, salmonella, the plague, and typhus. Do not reach for dark places and make sure all your food supplies are isolated and contained.


Read more: http://www.voxxi.com/storm-damage-hurricane-sandy- clean-up/#ixzz2AuFBwhUL
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122. icmoore 7:29 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Louisville Metrosafe asks that people living within a five mile radius of Dixie Highway and Katherine Station Road shelter in place until the all clear is given. An explosion occurred earlier this afternoon at the train derailment site.

Here is information about %u201Cshelter in place%u201D

From the National Weather Service: A warning of an event where the public is recommended to shelter in place (go inside, close doors and windows, turn off air conditioning or heating systems, and turn on the radio or TV for more information). Examples include the release of hazardous materials where toxic fumes or radioactivity may affect designated areas.

Sheltering in place can provide some protection against all airborne contaminants, because proper sheltering reduces contact with the contaminated air.
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124. VampyreGTX 7:30 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting Doppler22:
Ummmmmmmm what?????

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
214 PM EDT WED OCT 31 2012

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND METROSAFE IN LOUISVILLE
KENTUCKY.

LOUISVILLE METROSAFE ASKS THAT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A FIVE MILE
RADIUS OF DIXIE HIGHWAY AND KATHERINE STATION ROAD SHELTER IN
PLACE UNTIL THE ALL CLEAR IS GIVEN. AN EXPLOSION OCCURRED EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON AT THE TRAIN DERAILMENT SITE. TO SHELTER IN
PLACE...CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS AND TURN OFF ANY SYSTEM THAT
PULLS IN OUTSIDE AIR. STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES.


Story: http://www.kltv.com/story/19965147/5-workers-injur ed-in-accident-and-fire-at-train-derailment-site

Sounds like an accident during the cleanup phase.
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125. whitewabit (Mod) 7:30 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting Doppler22:
Ummmmmmmm what?????

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
214 PM EDT WED OCT 31 2012

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND METROSAFE IN LOUISVILLE
KENTUCKY.

LOUISVILLE METROSAFE ASKS THAT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A FIVE MILE
RADIUS OF DIXIE HIGHWAY AND KATHERINE STATION ROAD SHELTER IN
PLACE UNTIL THE ALL CLEAR IS GIVEN. AN EXPLOSION OCCURRED EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON AT THE TRAIN DERAILMENT SITE. TO SHELTER IN
PLACE...CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS AND TURN OFF ANY SYSTEM THAT
PULLS IN OUTSIDE AIR. STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES.


There is a mandatory evac 1.2 miles around the explosion site beside the warning you posted ..
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126. LargoFl 7:32 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting whitewabit:


There is a mandatory evac 1.2 miles around the explosion site beside the warning you posted ..
OMG..it just goes on and on
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127. indianrivguy 7:32 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
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128. LargoFl 7:33 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
"Immunocompromised people and elderly people are probably at highest risk for complications from mold exposure and these are the people who should stay away from water-logged buildings, especially for prolonged periods of time," Ram said.
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129. cedar13 7:33 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Should also mention that Atlantic Sea Surface Temps were running +5C above normal not far off the coast. I am sure that added fuel to the storm.
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/ml/ocean/sst/anomaly.ht ml
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130. RTSplayer 7:38 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting MrMixon:


If only it were that easy. The size and number of greenhouses we'd need (never mind the energy required to keep them climate-controlled) makes that solution financial impractical:



Not for all crops. It's been shown that for some crops the net increase in productivity is so high that it can pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time.

Further, eventually as world population continues to swell, priorities will need to be straightened. More food will be needed, regardless of other aspects of economics, and this will mean higher food price, and people will just have to do with less of the luxuries we've had.

We will need enough food to feed another 2 billion people within 2 or 3 decades, and most of that food will come from the Western Hemisphere.


At some point, real economics will outweigh the fake economics we have all lived under for decades, and food prices, and perhaps clothing prices, will become the primary driver of economy.
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131. LargoFl 7:39 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
.................GFS at 192 hours
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132. aprinz1979 7:40 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Does anybody know if the guy from New Jersey that wanted to go out to dinner right after Sandy made landfall is OK? According to him Sandy was an over hyped storm. Hope he didn't do anything stupid and stayed indoors.
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133. yonzabam 7:41 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Looks like the US is turning out to be 'ground zero' for extreme weather due to gobal warming. Hurricanes, heatwaves, wildfires, droughts, floods, derechos and tornadoes all going off the climate Richter scale.

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134. pottery 7:42 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


Not for all crops. It's been shown that for some crops the net increase in productivity is so high that it can pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time.

Further, eventually as world population continues to swell, priorities will need to be straightened. More food will be needed, regardless of other aspects of economics, and this will mean higher food price, and people will just have to do with less of the luxuries we've had.

We will need enough food to feed another 2 billion people within 2 or 3 decades, and most of that food will come from the Western Hemisphere.


At some point, real economics will outweigh the fake economics we have all lived under for decades, and food prices, and perhaps clothing prices, will become the primary driver of economy.

A recent study has concluded that Bananas will probably become the staple food for everyone........ (BBC news)
I quite enjoy a banana, but as a staple diet I think it lacks a little something. Even with ketchup and mustard.
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135. tatoprweather 7:43 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
Sandy's surf energy impacting Rincon....

The island behind her is Desecheo, right?
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136. LargoFl 7:43 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
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137. Methurricanes 7:43 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
the northeast health depts are going to be working tons of overtime trying to avert a health diseaster, with pools of polluted water, slime and mold etc..remember its warm enough there for standing water to become putrid and disease ridden..such a wide area affected,they cant be everywhere at once with clogged streets and roads and collasped homes ..a nightmare
NYC gets water from way upstate, Boston gets its water from way out in western MA (40+ miles from the city
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138. CaicosRetiredSailor 7:43 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting hcubed:


And remember, nobody ever said that Sandy was directly caused by man - except maybe this guy:

"...FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 26, 2012
CONTACT: Blair FitzGibbon : 202-503-6141 : blair@fitzgibbonmedia.com
Statement by Brad Johnson, campaign manager of Forecast the Facts and ClimateSilence.org:

“If the candidates won’t listen to the voters demanding they break their climate silence, maybe they will listen to Mother Nature’s October Surprise. We know the candidates will be asked about Hurricane Sandy, and will express their sympathy with those affected. They will rightly applaud the first responders, the compassion of neighbors, and the strength and resolve of the American people. But what their role as national leaders demands that they also do is explain that Hurricane Sandy is a true Frankenstorm, a monster created by man tampering with nature with oil, coal, and gas pollution..."



------

I am not saying this statement below is correct... but at least you should support your position with an honest and accurate quote as seen below:
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Statement on Hurricane Sandy and Climate Silence
Brad Johnson, campaign manager of Forecast the Facts and ClimateSilence.org:

"If the candidates won't listen to the voters demanding they break their climate silence, maybe they will listen to Mother Nature's October Surprise. We know the candidates will be asked about Hurricane Sandy, and will express their sympathy with those affected. They will rightly applaud the first responders, the compassion of neighbors, and the strength and resolve of the American people. But what they should also do, what their role as national leaders demands that they do, is explain why this is happening.

"Hurricane Sandy is a true Frankenstorm, a monster created by man tampering with nature. It is a scientific fact that oil, coal, and gas pollution are fueling freakish climate disasters. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney need to be honest with voters: we have to stop poisoning our weather and start saving our future."


http://forecastthefacts.org/press/releases/2012/1 0/26/statement-hurricane-sandy-and-climate-silence /
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139. LargoFl 7:43 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting pottery:

A recent study has concluded that Bananas will probably become the staple food for everyone........ (BBC news)
I quite enjoy a banana, but as a staple diet I think it lacks a little something. Even with ketchup and mustard.
good I have six of them in my backyard lol
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140. biff4ugo 7:44 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
When power gets restored across the NYC area, they should have a tickertape bucket truck parade for all the out of town and in town folks that are busting it 24/7 for them. Or more like 24/14.

Unless that makes city cleanup crews have to clean that up too.
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141. pottery 7:45 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
good I have six of them in my backyard lol


A GOLD MINE !!!!

heheheheh
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142. TropicTraveler 7:47 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting Doppler22:
Ummmmmmmm what?????

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SHELTER IN PLACE WARNING
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
214 PM EDT WED OCT 31 2012

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE
KENTUCKY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND METROSAFE IN LOUISVILLE
KENTUCKY.

LOUISVILLE METROSAFE ASKS THAT PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A FIVE MILE
RADIUS OF DIXIE HIGHWAY AND KATHERINE STATION ROAD SHELTER IN
PLACE UNTIL THE ALL CLEAR IS GIVEN. AN EXPLOSION OCCURRED EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON AT THE TRAIN DERAILMENT SITE. TO SHELTER IN
PLACE...CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS AND TURN OFF ANY SYSTEM THAT
PULLS IN OUTSIDE AIR. STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES.


In my work we've had chemical hazard disaster training and this kind of accident/incident it is important to get the word out for people to stay indoors, turn off air venting systems, and protect yourself from airborne chemicals which can be deadly. Glad to see warnings out for this. Had an incident at a company where I worked where chlorine gas line ruptured and children at a nearby school were harmed and ended up in serious condition in the hospital. If the hazard is near, we were told to use masks, duct tape edges of doors and windows, and seal ourselves inside till the all clear hits.
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143. pottery 7:48 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting TropicTraveler:


In my work we've had chemical hazard disaster training and this kind of accident/incident it is important to get the word out for people to stay indoors, turn off air venting systems, and protect yourself from airborne chemicals which can be deadly. Glad to see warnings out for this. Had an incident at a company where I worked where chlorine gas line ruptured and children at a nearby school were harmed and ended up in serious condition in the hospital. If the hazard is near, we were told to use masks, duct tape edges of doors and windows, and seal ourselves inside till the all clear hits.

So, any word on what the problem is there ?
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144. VampyreGTX 7:53 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting pottery:

So, any word on what the problem is there ?


Workers were trying to clear a derailed tanker car full of Butadiene and it ignited and exploded.

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145. icmoore 7:53 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting pottery:

So, any word on what the problem is there ?


Link
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146. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:53 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting BADHYPEAGAIN:
the rats are taking over new york city by the thousands
so what are you doing here
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147. percylives 7:54 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting indianrivguy:

Climate-Change Denying Senator James Inhofe Wins 2012 Rubber Dodo Award




It couldn't go to a better dodo. Unless you want to send one to each of the people who sent him back to Washington.
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148. GeoffreyWPB 7:56 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
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149. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 7:59 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:

iam watchin WPB there are no threats at this time
i would say so if there was
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150. islander101010 7:59 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
experienced old timer we are smarter than the rat atlantic just refuses to sleep
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151. percylives 8:00 PM GMT on October 31, 2012    
Quoting Neapolitan:
From the Department of Energy's most recent situation report released at 10 CDT today:

DOE

Not sure why they don't tally the last two columns, so I did; the "Peak Outages Reported in DOE SitReps" column adds up to 8,428,078 customers without power at peak, and 2,178,681 customers for whom power has been restored.


In answer to your question, possibly because the peak occurred at different times in different states. It appears that MI is still on its way to a peak as there are now 51K more people there w/o power than there were at "the peak". Just guessing though.
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