Why did Hurricane Sandy take such an unusual track into New Jersey?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:33 PM GMT on October 31, 2012

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We're used to seeing hurricane-battered beaches and flooded cities in Florida, North Carolina, and the Gulf Coast. But to see these images from the Jersey Shore and New York City in the wake of Hurricane Sandy is a shocking experience. New Jersey only rarely gets hit by hurricanes because it lies in a portion of the coast that doesn't stick out much, and is too far north. How did this happen? How was a hurricane able to move from southeast to northwest at landfall, so far north, and so late in hurricane season? We expect hurricanes to move from east to west in the tropics, where the prevailing trade winds blow that direction. But the prevailing wind direction reverses at mid-latitudes, flowing predominately west-to-east, due to the spin of the Earth. Hurricanes that penetrate to about Florida's latitude usually get caught up in these westerly winds, and are whisked northeastwards, out to sea. However, the jet stream, that powerful band of upper-atmosphere west-to-east flowing air, has many dips and bulges. These troughs of low pressure and ridges of high pressure allow winds at mid-latitudes to flow more to the north or to the south. Every so often, a trough in the jet stream bends back on itself when encountering a ridge of high pressure stuck in place ahead of it. These "negatively tilted" troughs have winds that flow from southeast to northwest. It is this sort of negatively tilted trough that sucked in Sandy and allowed the hurricane to take such an unusual path into New Jersey.


Figure 1. Inlet section of Atlantic City, N.J., after Hurricane Sandy. Image credit: 6 ABC Action News.

The 1903 Vagabond Hurricane
The only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851 besides Sandy was the 1903 Category 1 Vagabond Hurricane. According to Wikipedia, the Vagabond Hurricane caused heavy damage along the New Jersey coast ($180 million in 2006 dollars.) The hurricane killed 57 people, and endangered the life of President Theodore Roosevelt, who was sailing on a yacht near Long Island, NY, when the hurricane hit. However, the Vagabond Hurricane hit in September, when the jet stream is typically weaker and farther to the north. It is quite extraordinary that Sandy was able to hit New Jersey in late October, when the jet stream is typically stronger and farther south, making recurvature to the northeast much more likely than in September.


Figure 2. The path of the 1903 Vagabond Hurricane, the only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851.

The blocking ridge that steered Sandy into New Jersey
A strong ridge of high pressure parked itself over Greenland beginning on October 20, creating a "blocking ridge" that prevented the normal west-to-east flow of winds over Eastern North America. Think of the blocking ridge like a big truck parked over Greenland. Storms approaching from the west (like the fall low pressure system that moved across the U.S. from California to Pennsylvania last week) or from the south (Hurricane Sandy) were blocked from heading to the northeast. Caught in the equivalent of an atmospheric traffic jam, the two storms collided over the Northeast U.S., combined into one, and are now waiting for the truck parked over Greenland to move. The strength of the blocking ridge, as measured by the strength of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), was quite high--about two standard deviations from average, something that occurs approximately 5% of the time. When the NAO is in a strong negative phase, we tend to have blocking ridges over Greenland.


Figure 3. Jet stream winds at a pressure of 300 mb on October 29, 2012, as Hurricane Sandy approached the coast of New Jersey. Note that the wind direction over New Jersey (black arrows) was from the southeast, due to a negatively tilted trough of low pressure over the Eastern U.S. caused by a strong blocking ridge of high pressure over Greenland. Image credit: NOAA/ESRL.

Arctic sea ice loss can cause blocking ridges
Blocking ridges occur naturally, but are uncommon over Greenland this time of year. According to NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, blocking near the longitude of Greenland (50°W) only occurs about 2% of the time in the fall. These odds rise to about 6% in winter and spring. As I discussed in an April post, Arctic sea ice loss tied to unusual jet stream patterns, three studies published in the past year have found that the jet stream has been getting stuck in unusually strong blocking patterns in recent years. These studies found that the recent record decline in Arctic sea ice could be responsible, since this heats up the pole, altering the Equator-to-pole temperature difference, forcing the jet stream to slow down, meander, and get stuck in large loops. The 2012 Arctic sea ice melt season was extreme, with sea ice extent hitting a record lows. Could sea ice loss have contributed to the blocking ridge that steered Sandy into New Jersey? It is possible, but we will need to much more research on the subject before we make such a link, as the studies of sea ice loss on jet stream patterns are so new. The author of one of the new studies, Dr. Jennifer Francis of Rutgers, had this say in a recent post by Andy Revkin in his Dot Earth blog: "While it’s impossible to say how this scenario might have unfolded if sea-ice had been as extensive as it was in the 1980s, the situation at hand is completely consistent with what I’d expect to see happen more often as a result of unabated warming and especially the amplification of that warming in the Arctic."

Jeff Masters

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466. Grothar
3:41 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
There was tremendous damage done to Staten Island, which is a borough of New York City. I believe 4 died there. There has not been much reporting on this until today.


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462. TampaCat5
3:37 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting KoritheMan:

Unfortunately, "religious" and "intolerance" often cohabitate in the US.

Yes I agree, religious people can be quite intolerant.
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461. trey33
3:36 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting BahaHurican:
If you mean Mr. Pindling, he was the "Father of the Nation" - like Washington, his picture is on the dollar bill.. lol - and despite his detractors is well-respected and remembered to this day.

We still have a few low-lying cays around if you want to anchor your boat somewhere...

Anyway, I'm off. 'night!


That was him. And Nelson Mandela attended. It was huge, and so sad, everyone adored him. Good night!

Have new boat with new anchor! lol we are coming soon
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460. KoritheMan
3:36 AM GMT on November 01, 2012

Quoting whitewabit:


The curse was that the list never got beyond the P or R storm I believe
It barely made it past Isaac, lol. 1982 and 1994 were horribly inactive years. And despite its destructiveness, 1988 wasn't so grand either.
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459. KoritheMan
3:35 AM GMT on November 01, 2012

Quoting goosegirl1:



Unfortunately, "religious" and "compassionate" do not often cohabitate in the US.
Unfortunately, "religious" and "intolerance" often cohabitate in the US.
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458. BahaHurican
3:34 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting trey33:


yep.... and one day maybe permanently:) Sounds like the Prime Minister is being proactive, which is great.

(was there for the funeral of one of your former Prime Ministers several years ago, it was quite sad)
If you mean Mr. Pindling, he was the "Father of the Nation" - like Washington, his picture is on the dollar bill.. lol - and despite his detractors is well-respected and remembered to this day.

We still have a few low-lying cays around if you want to anchor your boat somewhere...

Anyway, I'm off. 'night!
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457. whitewabit (Mod)
3:34 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting KoritheMan:

It was broken this year.


The curse was that the list never got beyond the P or R storm I believe
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456. Grothar
3:34 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?


Nice observation.

One of my greatest fears was waiting in line at the "Pearly Gates" behind Mother Theresa, and hearing this big booming voice tell her..."You know, you could have done a little more.."

I've posted this a few times in the past but I think it might be appropriate tonight.

"As you grow older, you will discover that you have two hands, one for helping yourself, the other for helping others."

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455. KoritheMan
3:33 AM GMT on November 01, 2012

Quoting HurrikanEB:


Couldnt get past a certain number of storms... dont recall off hand, but it was the least used list.
It also has the designation of being the list with the least amount of retired names (3 -- Gilbert, Joan, and Keith), none of which hit the US. Seems like it persevered this year though.
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454. srqthymesage
3:33 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?
Thank you for your perspective...we/I, as an American, need reminding, even frequent reminding. People, we can rise above and see truth beyond 'things'.
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453. weatherrx2012
3:32 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting denni:
I'm glad to see someone mention Rhode Island. I originally hail from NJ and Massachusetts,(now I live near Galveston, TX and yes I was here for Ike and Rita) and wasn't seeing anything about what happen to RI, I didn't forget you.


Thanks for not forgetting about us!
Ike and Rita must have been devastating, I can't imagine the amount of damage both of those storms did. They were only separated by three years too. Did you lose much property in the storm?
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452. HurrikanEB
3:32 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting weatherrx2012:
What is the curse supposedly associated with the 2012 list of recycled names dating back to 1982?


Couldnt get past a certain number of storms... dont recall off hand, but it was the least used list.
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451. goosegirl1
3:31 AM GMT on November 01, 2012
Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?



Unfortunately, "religious" and "compassionate" do not often cohabitate in the US.
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Every time I hear another fatality has been added to Sandy's death toll I get depressed... :o(.

Guess that is a sign it's time to go to bed...

Good night all...

P.S. @UNCW... I'm speaking from observation... I have seen so few spongers and so many just desperate people over the last 5 years, both here at home in my country and in yours when I have visited, that I just can't see the reality of your view. Maybe your experience has been different.
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Quoting HurrikanEB:
I really feel like this has been edited, buuut I just came a cross this:




I'm guessing photoshopped. The outages were/are bad but not that bad. That is showing a total blackout.
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Quoting weatherrx2012:
What is the curse supposedly associated with the 2012 list of recycled names dating back to 1982? I'm just curious.

It was broken this year.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Yeah... sounds like you got those 3rd generation rich people and oil moguls described to a tee...

Give me an example of a person who couldn't afford it but who got his or her house rebuilt for free.

My point is that the VAST majority of people who go through this kind of disaster DO NOT get government help. They do what you did to make it. Your concept of large numbers of people getting government handouts while you, the long-suffering one, soldier manfully on, is not rooted in reality.


agree to disagree you obviously have not been throughwhat I nor the people in the mid atlantic/northeast have been through. I figure you live in the Bahamas but probably are not from there. So you have had your fair share of storms but havent never lost everything. We will see in the coming years. Good luck with living on an island the will one day not be there or get smashed by a cat 5. I hope someone is there to help you.
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I really feel like this has been edited, buuut it was one of the largest power failures like Dr.Masters pointed out. So, i don't know.... thoughts?



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Quoting BahaHurican:
Cool... sound like u guys got sand in your shoes... lol



yep.... and one day maybe permanently:) Sounds like the Prime Minister is being proactive, which is great.

(was there for the funeral of one of your former Prime Ministers several years ago, it was quite sad)
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Quoting guygee:
Also some kinds of apples need to be cross-fertilized by other types, and other kinds not so much.

But goosegirl is correct that the kinds of apples they sell in grocery stores even in Florida need a lot of chill hours. I do not think Florida is producing apples and at the commercial level, at least not yet



Cool- something new every day, as they say. Are they working on a hardy avocado? I'd love one of those :)
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Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?
Oh, so well said! It is what I keep observing from the outside... it seems to me the most religious people in the political arena are also the most heartless towards their brethren... and the ones who are supposed to be the most socially conscious are the ones who are shredding the society for their personal gain. 1000 [+]s...
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Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?

Because a great many conservative christians have no compassion. Ironic tragic.
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441. whitewabit (Mod)
Quoting AmateurWeather:


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?


Thank You !! It couldn't have been said better !!
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Daily News real-time coverageof superstorm Sandy

At least 61 people have died in the U.S.,
including at least 30 inNew York City.


[edit]

AP now puts the death toll at 72
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Geez... I can't spell "who"... sure sign it's time to go to bed...
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


my house was badly damaged in hurricane Bertha and Fran then i lost my house in hurricane Floyd, had insurance, which didnt pay for my house to be rebuilt, lived with my parents for a few years then rebuilt without any assistance, get a clue! just because i speak bluntly and truthfully does not make me any less knowledgeable about politics... the REAL! truth is people who can do it themselves DONT get assistance, the ones who cant afford it get everything for free!.............(ineptocracy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
Yeah... sounds like you got those 3rd generation rich people and oil moguls described to a tee...

Give me an example of a person who couldn't afford it but who got his or her house rebuilt for free.

My point is that the VAST majority of people who go through this kind of disaster DO NOT get government help. They do what you did to make it. Your concept of large numbers of people getting government handouts while you, the long-suffering one, soldier manfully on, is not rooted in reality.
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Quoting trey33:


I hope you are wrong too, but have a strong feeling you are right. I only wish we had federal reserves to tap to fund some of the city/county damages that you know they don't have the funds to fix. Going back to Andrew - my only frame of reference - the SBA gave loans to those who needed to rebuild, it took time but it was fixed. The federal budget was balanced back in 1994, not like today. Not sure China can loan us much more. I wouldn't.


Just a comment as a non American, living in America.

Why is it that when disaster strikes, and the obvious course is to help out those in need, do so many people use this as an opportunity to divide the nation?

I have heard so many comments about "welfare nations" and "entitlement" on this blog today. In reality, people who have contributed to your country, and now after this disaster, just want electricity or shelter from the elements are somehow described as leeches.

It really is saddening to see that one of the most religious countries in the western hemisphere is so lacking in compassion.

Is it so important to win an election that you have to trample on those who are suffering?
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Quoting trey33:


Good to know, and glad it wasn't worse as my family visits on a regular basis (we were married there) and it's like a second home to us.
Cool... sound like u guys got sand in your shoes... lol

The Prime Minister has been talking a lot this week about lessons to be learned from Sandy and action that needs to be taken in the future to improve our response and reduce impacts. One thing I hope they do go through with, even if it does cost the government money, is the closure of the Queen's Cove neighbourhood in Grand Bahama as a residential development. That is just a drowning waiting to happen.
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435. denni
Quoting weatherrx2012:
What is the curse supposedly associated with the 2012 list of recycled names dating back to 1982? I'm just curious.

In other news, I'm from Rhode Island and Sandy did minor amounts of damage to my town of Cranston. The western half of the city is without power currently and could be for the coming days, as National Grid restores it. Providence and Kent Counties were not hit particularly hard by Sandy. Washington, Bristol, and Newport counties however have been severely damaged in parts. The town of Westerly and Narragansett in particular were hard hit by Sandy's massive storm surge. Many homes and businesses in these towns were completely destroyed. The recovery effort is going to take a long time; but New Englanders and the people of the North East are resilient folks and we shall persevere! My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the victims and their families of this catastrophic storm.
I'm glad to see someone mention Rhode Island. I originally hail from NJ and Massachusetts,(now I live near Galveston, TX and yes I was here for Ike and Rita) and wasn't seeing anything about what happen to RI, I didn't forget you.
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Quoting whipster:
Jeeze no matter what happens EVER, it is caused by AGW. Give me a break.

Strawman argument. No one is saying any particular event is caused by AGW, rather possibly affected.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Your political inexperience is dripping off you... lol

The reality is, the "some people" you are talking about right now in all likelihood not the same people who lost homes and property in Sandy. In the real world most people have to rebuild for themselves. The fortunate among us can afford to do it out of our pockets; the less fortunate have insurance; and the unfortunate have nothing. Don't let the political rhetoric fool you.


my house was badly damaged in hurricane Bertha and Fran then i lost my house in hurricane Floyd, had insurance, which didnt pay for my house to be rebuilt, lived with my parents for a few years then rebuilt without any assistance, get a clue! just because i speak bluntly and truthfully does not make me any less knowledgeable about politics... the REAL! truth is people who can do it themselves DONT get assistance, the ones who cant afford it get everything for free!.............(ineptocracy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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Quoting MrMixon:
Wow, who invited the grumpy propagandists? Could we have a little decorum (i.e. - a break from the backbiting political banter) until the death count is final?

As a Coloradan who lives with the danger of wildfires every summer, I hold a deep empathy for the folks who had to watch their homes burn in a neighborhood which was, ironically, too flooded for firefighters to enter.



That just gives me chills, so horrible. I can't even imagine.
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Quoting aerojad:
My god some of these post-storm comments and bickering. I hope the mods have a steady supply of coffee.

Can't wait until the trolls disperse.
Unfortunately some of us regular bloggers have been as bad from time to time...

30 days of regular season left!
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Quoting Grothar:


No, I believe that is a different system. See entry to Kori.


Thanks!
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The GFS has is a little closer to the coast, but not very strong.

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Quoting BahaHurican:
It could have been worse here. We got lucky in that Sandy was moving faster than expected during the first part of her trek through here and then was transitioning during the second half. It didn't prevent the impacts, but it did lessen their intensity.



Good to know, and glad it wasn't worse as my family visits on a regular basis (we were married there) and it's like a second home to us.
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


we are not in the 80's when people actually took care of themselves. obama is president, get with the times dont you know govt hand outs are the only way some people live now? people think they are entitled to everything now when in fact they arent for anything....ROMNEY 2012!
Your political inexperience is dripping off you... lol

The reality is, the "some people" you are talking about right now in all likelihood not the same people who lost homes and property in Sandy. In the real world most people have to rebuild for themselves. The fortunate among us can afford to do it out of our pockets; the less fortunate have insurance; and the unfortunate have nothing. Don't let the political rhetoric fool you.
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Wow, who invited the grumpy propagandists? Could we have a little decorum (i.e. - a break from the backbiting political banter) until the death count is final?

As a Coloradan who lives with the danger of wildfires every summer, I hold a deep empathy for the folks who had to watch their homes burn in a neighborhood which was, ironically, too flooded for firefighters to enter.

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Quoting trey33:


Grothar -
Is this the low pressure system some in the news have been saying may hit the NE in a week? Couldn't find what they were referring to earlier today.


No, I believe that is a different system. See entry to Kori.
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My god some of these post-storm comments and bickering. I hope the mods have a steady supply of coffee.

Can't wait until the trolls disperse.
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Quoting hunkerdown:

Goosegirl stated, "But they all need a cold, dormant period to produce fruit. Florida's climate doesn't allow for that." This is not correct for ALL varieties. For the "grocery store type, yes, but not for the varieties The U of F have worked with. They went through a lot of research to find the right varieties and the right rootstock to allow for these trees to produce with the extremely low chill in Central and more so in South Florida.

You mean cross pollinated :)

Yes, the "northern" variety apples are not what is grown in Florida (best Fla varieties are the TropicSweet, Anna and Golden Dorsett) and not really grown on a true commercial level however there are some u-pick apple orchards in Florida. One of the main reasons commercial orchards are not established is due to the timing of the harvest in Florida, there are too many varieties/quantity coming out of the Northeast and Pacific NW that Florida could not compete.

Now peaches are a different story. There are commercial peach orchards in Florida (though not as many as in Georgia and South Carolina) and a tree ripened, fresh picked peach is as good as and for the most part better than a Georgia peach. Florida grown peaches can even be found in Publix at times.
Good info BTW, I love those U-Pick-M places, nothing like fruit right off the tree. I will have to investigate that some more. But not now, I am out.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


What, we can't enter panic mode?


No, if you remember I posted the image of the Caribbean 3 days ago and a TC development area, but the blog was a "little busy". We will let you know when to panic. by the way, the EURO has been showing development of a strong low developing off the North and South Carolina coast in a few days, moving NE.




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Quoting guygee:
Yeah, thanks for catching that one;-) Getting tired I guess.
On that note I bid everyone a good night.

good night
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Quoting trey33:


Yes, the Bahamas get hit on a regular basis. Probably more prepared.
It could have been worse here. We got lucky in that Sandy was moving faster than expected during the first part of her trek through here and then was transitioning during the second half. It didn't prevent the impacts, but it did lessen their intensity.

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Quoting hunkerdown:

You mean cross pollinated :)
...
Yeah, thanks for catching that one;-) Getting tired I guess.
On that note I bid everyone a good night.
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Quoting Grothar:
Preliminary blob alert. No action required.



Grothar -
Is this the low pressure system some in the news have been saying may hit the NE in a week? Couldn't find what they were referring to earlier today.
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Quoting Grothar:
Preliminary blob alert. No action required.



What, we can't enter panic mode?
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Preliminary blob alert. No action required.

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