Superstorm Sandy delivers a devastating blow to the U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:23 PM GMT on October 30, 2012

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In a stunning spectacle of atmospheric violence, Superstorm Sandy roared ashore in New Jersey last night with sustained winds of 90 mph and a devastating storm surge that crippled coastal New Jersey and New York. Sandy's record size allowed the historic storm to bring extreme weather to over 100 million Americans, from Chicago to Maine and from Michigan to Florida. Sandy's barometric pressure at landfall was 946 mb, tying the Great Long Island Express Hurricane of 1938 as the most powerful storm ever to hit the Northeast U.S. north of Cape Hatteras, NC. New York City experienced its worst hurricane since its founding in 1624, as Sandy's 9-foot storm surge rode in on top of a high tide to bring water levels to 13.88' at The Battery, smashing the record 11.2' water level recorded during the great hurricane of 1821. Damage from Superstorm Sandy will likely be in the tens of billions, making the storm one of the five most expensive disasters in U.S. history.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Superstorm Sandy taken at 10 am EDT Tuesday, October 30, 2012. Image credit: NASA GSFC.


Figure 2. Sandy's storm surge (green line) at New York City hit 9' near 9 pm EDT, right when water levels due to high tide (blue line.) The total storm tide (red line) reached 13.88 above Mean Lower Low Water, an all-time record for NYC. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.


Figure 3. Storm surge forced the Delaware River in Philadelphia to a crest of 10.62 feet at 4 a.m. EDT this morning, breaking the previous record of 10.50 feet set Apr. 17, 2011 and Nov. 25, 1950. Image credit: NOAA.

Sandy sets all-time low pressure records
Sandy's impact has been so severe over such a wide area that it is difficult to adequately document the event. I'll start with some of the major cities that set all-time low pressure records during Sandy, with the new record followed by the old record and date of occurrence (thanks go to wunderground weather historian Christopher C. Burt for putting this list together):

Atlantic City, NJ: 28.01"/948mb 28.37"/961mb 3/6/1932

Philadelphia, PA: 28.12"/953mb 28.43"/963mb 3/13/1993

Harrisburg, PA: 28.46"/964mb 28.62"/969mb 1/3/1913

Scranton, PA: 28.69"/971mb 28.72"/973mb 2/25/1965

Trenton, NJ: 28.31"/958mb 28.43"/963mb 3/13/1993

Baltimore, MD: 28.49"/965mb 28.68"/971mb 3/3/1932

Harrisburg, PA: 28.46"/964mb 28.62"/969mb 1/3/1913

Cities that came close to setting their all-time low pressure record:

Newark, NJ: 28.51"/965mb 28.45"/963 3/13/1993

New York, NY: 28.53"/966mb 28.38"/961mb 3/1/1914

Washington D.C. 28.63"/969mb 28.54/966mb 3/13/1993

Lynchburg, VA: 29.12"/986mb 28.84"/977mb 3/6/1932

Elkins, WV: 29.22"/989mb 28.85"/977mb 2/25/1965

Sandy's snows
Sandy's snows have clobbered the town of Davis, WV with an estimated 26 - 28" of snow. Most of the town is without power, and winds are blowing 20 - 30 mph with 40 mph gusts. Sandy brought the snowiest October day on record to both Elkins, WV (7" of snow) and Bluefield, WV (4.7".)


Video 1. Multiple trees fall during powerful gusts during Superstorm Sandy's landfall in New Jersey Monday evening (warming: foul language.)

There's so much more to say about Sandy--including how the storm may have been influenced by climate change--but I'll save this for later posts, as it's time to get something posted.

Angela Fritz has a 2:30 pm EDT post that discusses the latest on Sandy's impact and forecast.

Jeff Masters

Hurricane Sandy (Biskitten)
Amazing waves at high tide and the storm is just beginning here in Seacoast NH!
Hurricane Sandy
Downed Sycamore (deltabird)
Weehawken NJ
Downed Sycamore
Davis, West Virginia - 4 PM (beaudodson)
Snow increasing in intensity.
Davis, West Virginia - 4 PM
Corn Neck Road, Block Island, RI (JudyGray)
Corn Neck Road, Block Island, RI
Harlem, NYC (ArsenalNYC)
Part of the roof of my building ripped off during Hurricane Sandy and landed on two cars across the street
Harlem, NYC

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Jet Star roller coaster hanging into the Atlantic Ocean in NJ

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Quoting Neapolitan:
Incredible. And since Sandy is still spinning though the Northeast, further outages are sure to occur, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Sandy safely slide into 2nd.

For now...

(Of course, by comparison to this past summer's India outages, even the 1993 storm was a piker; 620 million were without for several hours.)

AP was reporting 8.1 million this morning.
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Quoting EricSpittle:

I'm guessing you've never seen one of those cranes being built, it will take much more than a few days to build a new 1000 foot tall crane. Generally it takes months to build the pieces, and then they have to ship said pieces in. Not sure how fast they can move vertically because they generally don't ever do more than one floor a day, but probably faster than that when they are just jacking up and not using the crane for anything until it is already up, but either way you are not looking at something fixed by next week.


Bloomberg said in his last presser something about putting a crane on the "roof.".

edit: to lower the dangling boom, not the counterweight, is my understanding
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Quoting stormchaser19:

Anyone Knows if its true that 75% of the animals in the NY Aquarium died

nothing about the wildlife but i found this

according to a statement from the organization. The aquarium is located on the Coney Island boardwalk, in the heart of an area where rescue operations are currently under way to save people stranded in their homes. There are reports that flooding has reached some people's roofs.

"The Wildlife Conservation Society's New York Aquarium, located in an evacuation zone in Coney Island, experienced severe flooding from the storm surge associated with Hurricane Sandy. The entire 14-acre facility was under water," a statement sent to mongabay.com reads. "As the water recedes, we will need time to assess the full extent of the damage.
Read more at http://news.mongabay.com/2012/1030-hance-wcs-aquar ium-sandy.html#XIhjl5Ao8kUGOOHJ.99
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Quoting HurrikanEB:


hahhaa.. I always get joy out of busting people's chops when it comes to the misuse/interpretation of satellite images. But i actually think i did want that to be sandy



I actually got that from one of my Met professors, so I'll be busting his chops tomorrow. Maybe I'll get extra credit!!
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501. sar2401
10:32 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting Matthias1967:


Several hours ago a blogger contested the authenticity of a pic showing a boat lieing on railroad tracks. There's another image of this, almost down on this page. from another angle ny the MTA, published by AP.

Yes, I saw that. The sad thing is that the sick minds out there now makes question the authenticity of every photo, since so many have been faked or misattributed. Some of those questioned will turn out to be true and others false. Even as recently as five years ago, there was a very high probablity was any picture of storm damage or events was real. Now, we never know, and everyone jumps on every photo and uses social media to spread it at the speed of light. This is what happens when bloggers are considered "journalists", even when there's no process to prove anything they write or pictures they post are true and factual.
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500. BrickellBreeze
10:30 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
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499. falloch
10:26 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Just venting here as a complete amateur weather watcher - but after nearly two weeks of going to NOAA's website that was easy to access, all of a sudden I'm instructed to go to other sites, that don't show up very well, and make me hunt for specific geographical areas, while there's still a big stonking drama-queen of a storm (no, no longer a hurricane) stomping all over the eastern half of North America. This blog has been a lifesaver - as I watch from Scotland as my family and friends in NY, MA, PA, and ME are 'challenged', but just pissed that NOAA's hurricane website is easy to see, but once it's no longer a hurricane, you need to start hunting, which I don't think is fair, since the leftover weather from Sandy is still horrendous, and it's important to try and get info.

ALL PRAISE to Prof Masters and the wonderful Wunderblog - you've gotten me through a number of storms that might affect my family members that I've needed to view from far away. But your efforts for Sandy have been outstanding, and no doubt will continue to be so.
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498. indianrivguy
10:25 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting imipak:
I can't help thinking of the "party of 20 on a fishing trip" left stranded on Portsmouth Island. (eg., from Sunday: http://www.wral.com/soundside-flooding-possible-as -sandy-trudges-along-outer-banks/11710690/ .) The Daily Mail (a pretty unreliable source, one of the less pleasant UK tabloids) claimed 500 people were left on the barrier islands, though of course they don't give a source for that. Best hopes for all who were out there, anyway...


I was thinking about them earlier today, hoping they all made it. Pretty stand up to give up your place for another.
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497. stormchaser19
10:24 PM GMT on October 30, 2012

Anyone Knows if its true that 75% of the animals in the NY Aquarium died
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496. sar2401
10:21 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting dogsgomoo:
Uh. Ok? Not sure what your issue is with these. Please click through to google maps and see the Ariel view of the area. Before Sandy it wasn't one isolated house with trees. I've been there a few times. It was a lovely area.

There were a number of houses there, some old, with older trees. Now there are not. Judging from the lack of roofs where there should be roofs, probably about 8 to 12. Likely mostly on the first row but a a line of 3 or 4 to the bay where the water came through and left the one house standing.

I posted the images to show anyone from the area what it looks like right now. They are not my images but from people there.

I neither claimed that something extraordinary happened in this one spot nor was I trying to "fool" you into thinking this one slip of land is a massive tragedy. It just is what it is.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, nor do I think you were trying to fool anyone. I see the google image of what I guess was the area before th storm. Is Herbert St. the bridge the pictures were taken from? Is there a post storm google image I'm missing? I'm having a hard time matching up what was shown from the bridge with any missing structures on the google earth image.
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495. MontanaZephyr
10:20 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Here is another doc from the same outfit, EEI:
Link

Utility Storm Restoration
Response

From 2k4.
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494. MontanaZephyr
10:17 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Also, here is a rather lengthy doc about power outages from the EEI:

Link

"AFTER THE DISASTER:
Utility Restoration Cost Recovery"

From 2k5, but still lots of info there.
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493. HurrikanEB
10:15 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting Slamguitar:


Carry on I shall. ;)


hahhaa.. I always get joy out of busting people's chops when it comes to the misuse/interpretation of satellite images. But i actually think i did want that to be sandy

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492. imipak
10:15 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
I can't help thinking of the "party of 20 on a fishing trip" left stranded on Portsmouth Island. (eg., from Sunday: http://www.wral.com/soundside-flooding-possible-as -sandy-trudges-along-outer-banks/11710690/ .) The Daily Mail (a pretty unreliable source, one of the less pleasant UK tabloids) claimed 500 people were left on the barrier islands, though of course they don't give a source for that. Best hopes for all who were out there, anyway...
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491. BrickellBreeze
10:15 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
The West Virginia blizzard will most likely go down into the record books.

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490. icmoore
10:14 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting JeffMasters:
From very unofficial sources, I put together this list of largest Weather-related power outages in U.S. history:

1. "Superstorm" Blizzard 1993 10,000,000 customers
2. Hurricane Ike 2008 7,500,000
3. "Superstorm" Sandy 2012 7,400,000
4. Hurricane Isabel 2003 6,000,000
5. Hurricane Frances 2004 6,000,000

If anyone has a better source of info on this, I'd like to hear about it.

Jeff Masters
jmasters@wunderground.com


Well, I was one of 6,000,000 on that list during Francis for a week, ugh :) and I know a lot of others here are members of that unfortunate club, too :)
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489. Matthias1967
10:14 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting sar2401:

I agree. Structures don't fail like the one being shown in that picture. According to CNET, there are now over 100 fake pictures circulating around the net purporting to show Sandy's damage. Unless you have an unimpeachable source, I'd wait before posting pictures and using up bandwidth. If it's real, a few more hours won't make it less impressive. In addition, as I have been begging all day, please don't post any picture without a caption at least giving the location. There are still many of us trying to track down relatives, and I hate guessing if that looks like Aunt Rita's house. :(


Several hours ago a blogger contested the authenticity of a pic showing a boat lieing on railroad tracks. There's another image of this, almost down on this page. from another angle ny the MTA, published by AP.
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488. sar2401
10:12 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting JeffMasters:
From very unofficial sources, I put together this list of largest Weather-related power outages in U.S. history:

1. "Superstorm" Blizzard 1993 10,000,000 customers
2. Hurricane Ike 2008 7,500,000
3. "Superstorm" Sandy 2012 7,400,000
4. Hurricane Isabel 2003 6,000,000
5. Hurricane Frances 2004 6,000,000

If anyone has a better source of info on this, I'd like to hear about it.

Jeff Masters
jmasters@wunderground.com

While not entirely weather related, the 2003 Northeast blackout was apparently started by a lightning strike on a Hydro Ontario facility by Niagra Falls. That affected 55 million people. There is still some disagreement and finger pointing on this one, so it may not qualify as a weather related power failure.
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487. waterskiman
10:09 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Some of the images from the locations being viewed from an above are reminiscent of some of the videos I've seen from after Katrina. Just horrible.

I was thinking Ike on some areas. In one area there were 200 houses just wiped off the map. They haven't shown that area yet as far as I can tell but they keep talking about it.
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486. dogsgomoo
10:09 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting sar2401:

What I see are flooded houses. Most, if not all, of the trees, still appear to be there. While flooded house are a tragic sight, it's not the same as "there's nothing but empty space", indicating that house were literally swept away, as in, they no longer exist. Since it appears that this is storm surge flooding, the isolated structure still standing makes more sense. I don't know if the wording is from the FB page or yours, but there's no reason to make a bad situation sound even worse.
Uh. Ok? Not sure what your issue is with these. Please click through to google maps and see the Ariel view of the area. Before Sandy it wasn't one isolated house with trees. I've been there a few times. It was a lovely area.

There were a number of houses there, some old, with older trees. Now there are not. Judging from the lack of roofs where there should be roofs, probably about 8 to 12. Likely mostly on the first row but a a line of 3 or 4 to the bay where the water came through and left the one house standing.

I posted the images to show anyone from the area what it looks like right now. They are not my images but from people there.

I neither claimed that something extraordinary happened in this one spot nor was I trying to "fool" you into thinking this one slip of land is a massive tragedy. It just is what it is.
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485. BrickellBreeze
10:08 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
It's not over yet.

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484. HurrikanEB
10:06 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting charlottefl:
AccuWeather.com ‏@breakingweather
RT @michaelhayes: Bloomberg: "18 fatalities citywide." #sandy
Expand Reply Retweet Favorite


3rd most deadly NY storm and deadliest since Edna in 1954.
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483. charlottefl
10:04 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
AccuWeather.com ‏@breakingweather
RT @michaelhayes: Bloomberg: "18 fatalities citywide." #sandy
Expand Reply Retweet Favorite
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482. superpete
10:02 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
The clean- up from Sandy damage is going to be a large obstacle, even with the huge resources available in the area affected. Forgetting about NYC infrastructure damage for a minute, from what I am seeing in the sea shore frontage and communities in NJ alone, a reasonable time frame just to get rid of damaged homes, contents, debris and find a suitable storage location may take a couple of months. Then you are heading into winter and the loss of electrical utility resources is going to hamper works in areas affected. There are some serious hardships on the horizon for many people & at this early stage they may not even have a realistic picture of time frames to accomplish what is needed. I hope all affected remain safe now and as these works go ahead from today and to the emergency services and recovery effort personnel
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481. MontanaZephyr
9:59 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting JeffMasters:
From very unofficial sources, I put together this list of largest Weather-related power outages in U.S. history:

1. "Superstorm" Blizzard 1993 10,000,000 customers
2. Hurricane Ike 2008 7,500,000
3. "Superstorm" Sandy 2012 7,400,000
4. Hurricane Isabel 2003 6,000,000
5. Hurricane Frances 2004 6,000,000

If anyone has a better source of info on this, I'd like to hear about it.

Jeff Masters
jmasters@wunderground.com


Here ya go Doc:Link

ore than 8.4 million people in Sandy’s path, 7% of the U.S. population, remain without power Tuesday afternoon, even as the worst of the storm has passed. Here are the latest updates on power outages in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states. Click your utility to see the latest figures from your provider. For up-to-the minute news, visit our live blog.

Updated: Oct. 30, 3:15 p.m.

New York City and Westchester:
Consolidated Edison
811,039 people affected

New Jersey:
Jersey Central
966,978 people affected
PSE&G
1.4 million people affected
Atlantic City Electric
182,197 people affected

Long Island:
LIPA
942,633 people affected

Connecticut:
Connecticut Light & Power
458,355 people affected

Massachussetts:
National Grid
162,113 people affected

Delaware:
Delmarva
42,070 people affected

Pennsylvania:
West Penn Power
215,604 people affected
PPL
378,875 people affected

West Virginia:
APCO
149,015 people affected

Maryland and Washington D.C.:
Pepco
11,221 people affected

Virginia:
Dominion Electric
77,204 people affected

New Hampshire:
PSNH
105,594 people affected

Rhode Island:
National Grid
109,690 people affected


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480. charlottefl
9:59 PM GMT on October 30, 2012

Reed Timmer ‏@reedtimmerTVN
Check out this photo from TVN's @chasethestorms , from the financial district, in NYC last night! http://www.tvnweather.com pic.twitter.com/l1e9pSCR



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479. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:58 PM GMT on October 30, 2012

View more videos at: http://nbcnewyork.com.

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478. sar2401
9:57 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting dogsgomoo:

While i understand the reaction... Not everything is Photoshopped.
This is another angle, the south side of the bridge.

Here is the Google maps link.

The fact that one house is standing while all the others are gone is not impossible as we've seen time and time again with storms, tornadoes, earthquakes, fires.

What I see are flooded houses. Most, if not all, of the trees, still appear to be there. While flooded house are a tragic sight, it's not the same as "there's nothing but empty space", indicating that house were literally swept away, as in, they no longer exist. Since it appears that this is storm surge flooding, the isolated structure still standing makes more sense. I don't know if the wording is from the FB page or yours, but there's no reason to make a bad situation sound even worse.
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477. charlottefl
9:57 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Evening all, still can't believe everything that happened last night. Still trying to get a hold of a few friends in inland NJ, looks like power is out pretty much everywhere. Just can't get over how many aspects of this storm there were. Normally hurricanes (now I realize that is transitioned at landfall) are heavy it one or 2 areas. Sandy ran the whole gammit, from high winds, to storm surge, to heavy rainfall (at least in one half of the storm), and even snow. And to affect such a huge portion of our population is just amazing. Hope everyone from our Wunder family is ok :@)...
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476. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
9:56 PM GMT on October 30, 2012

View more videos at: http://nbcnewyork.com.

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475. whitewabit (Mod)
9:55 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting JeffMasters:
From very unofficial sources, I put together this list of largest Weather-related power outages in U.S. history:

1. "Superstorm" Blizzard 1993 10,000,000 customers
2. Hurricane Ike 2008 7,500,000
3. "Superstorm" Sandy 2012 7,400,000
4. Hurricane Isabel 2003 6,000,000
5. Hurricane Frances 2004 6,000,000

If anyone has a better source of info on this, I'd like to hear about it.

Jeff Masters
jmasters@wunderground.com


The June 29, 2012 derecho left 6,646,000 with out power .. should be on the list ..
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474. Slamguitar
9:54 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

What eye? By that point, Irene's eyewall had been completely destro- wait, you were saying HurikanEB has a good eye? Oh, carry on then.


Carry on I shall. ;)
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473. TropicalAnalystwx13
9:54 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting waterskiman:
New video from the air being released. Holly molly NJ on the coast is just buggered. Lots of info from this channel cbs 4 NY Heartbreaking for sure
Link

Some of the images from the locations being viewed from an above are reminiscent of some of the videos I've seen from after Katrina. Just horrible.
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472. WeatherNerdPR
9:53 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting Slamguitar:


Good eye.

What eye? By that point, Irene's eyewall had been completely destro- wait, you were saying HurikanEB has a good eye? Oh, carry on then.
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471. sar2401
9:49 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting EricSpittle:

Unfortunately, because of how many stupid people exist on Twitter this is something that will likely never get better. You see that picture of the supercell photoshopped behind the statue of liberty and think "well, that's retarded, that isn't at all what a hurricane looks like and is definitely a supercell" but others see it and think "wow, how beautiful this storm is, I should share this with my million followers" neither knowing what a supercell nor a hurricane looks like. Then they look at the other supercell picture from NYC (the real one, taken last year, during the huge tornado outbreak in the area) and think "this must be the same storm in a different place" because they both look like mothership clouds. That is why I didn't spend a second of this storm on Twitter, much more intelligent people here.

One of our biggest problems in emergency management was rumor control. Now we have FB and twitter spreading rumors, gossip, and just plain lies at the speed of light. Because of the sickos that photoshop up pictures to look realistic to the untrained eye, those same people on FB and twitter now say "No, it's true, just look at this picture". Storms tend to bring out the best and worst in us as a society. The worst of us now have ways to cause way more problems than even five years ago. I'm glad I'm retired. :)
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470. waterskiman
9:46 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
New video from the air being released. Holly molly NJ on the coast is just buggered. Lots of info from this channel cbs 4 NY Heartbreaking for sure
Link
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469. dogsgomoo
9:46 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting sar2401:

OK, but that last view is too close to show the fate of the other houses in the area. It also seems odd that the storm would have taken down all those other houses while that one totally exposed structure is still standing with apparently very little damage. If you can find some pictures that show the area where the other houses are gone, that would be much more informative.

While i understand the reaction... Not everything is Photoshopped.
This is another angle, the south side of the bridge.

Here is the Google maps link.

The fact that one house is standing while the others around it are gone is not impossible as we've seen time and time again with storms, tornadoes, earthquakes, fires.
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468. Slamguitar
9:45 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting HurrikanEB:
Someone posted this a while ago about how "during landfall, Sandy made a perfect Fibonacci sequence following the golden ratio." And it got a bunch of thumbs up. But the more I look at this image, the less I think that this is actually Sandy. This is Irene, is it not? I'm convinced that it's Irene and not sandy.



Edit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spiritedstormywgj925 4/6086582477/


Good eye.
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467. sar2401
9:43 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting ncstorm:
Is this storm really being called "Superstorm Sandy"..I thought it was "Hurricane Sandy"?

I think it's technically just an unnamed deep low pressure system now, or maybe "Post-Tropical Cyclone Sandy"...but you have to admit "Superstorm Sandy" sells more papers. At least I haven't heard "Freankenstorm" in a while. :)
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466. CybrTeddy
9:42 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting JeffMasters:
From very unofficial sources, I put together this list of largest Weather-related power outages in U.S. history:

1. "Superstorm" Blizzard 1993 10,000,000 customers
2. Hurricane Ike 2008 7,500,000
3. "Superstorm" Sandy 2012 7,400,000
4. Hurricane Isabel 2003 6,000,000
5. Hurricane Frances 2004 6,000,000

If anyone has a better source of info on this, I'd like to hear about it.

Jeff Masters
jmasters@wunderground.com


Dr. Masters, I had a question that I think we all aren't sure of. Sandy's damage was done mostly post-tropical, but it did significant damage before it went tropical as it approached the cost. Do you think Sandy warrants retirement? The general idea is yes, but some aren't sure, after Lee not being retired.
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465. Articuno
9:41 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting ncstorm:
Is this storm really being called "Superstorm Sandy"..I thought it was "Hurricane Sandy"?

yeah. It's not really a "super"storm.
It was cool what formation it took but seriously.. I would only call it superstorm if it did this when it was a cat 5.
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464. sar2401
9:39 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting dogsgomoo:

I edited the post to clarify. The top picture is actually two photos to show the before and after. The bottom is an after shot from a closer angle.

They are from the Normandy Beach Facebook page.

OK, but that last view is too close to show the fate of the other houses in the area. It also seems odd that the storm would have taken down all those other houses while that one totally exposed structure is still standing with apparently very little damage. If you can find some pictures that show the area where the other houses are gone, that would be much more informative.
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463. ncstorm
9:37 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Is this storm really being called "Superstorm Sandy"..I thought it was "Hurricane Sandy"?
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462. KimSETX
9:35 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting LargoFl:
cnn just said sandy hit 15 states,...


Why does that surprise you, many of those states are tiny. Now if those states were the size of Texas, then I'd be surprised.
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461. wxmod
9:35 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
MODIS satellite photo today.

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460. icmoore
9:32 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting whitewabit:


I am sure they left for their other home just wondering how bad the one house could be ..


I'm glad they had another home to go to and hopefully all is not lost at their other place with so much devastation around there. My husband and I live in a small cottage on a little barrier island on the w coast of FL so these storms and stories get our attention.
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459. sar2401
9:31 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting EricSpittle:

I'm guessing you've never seen one of those cranes being built, it will take much more than a few days to build a new 1000 foot tall crane. Generally it takes months to build the pieces, and then they have to ship said pieces in. Not sure how fast they can move vertically because they generally don't ever do more than one floor a day, but probably faster than that when they are just jacking up and not using the crane for anything until it is already up, but either way you are not looking at something fixed by next week.

Yes, I have, and I'm very familiar with how you go about fixing a problem like this. You can jack a crane support tower 200 feet a day on a round the clock schedule with no problem. My understaning is the base of the the tower crane is at about the 47th floor, which would make the height about 550 feet, not 1,000 feet. If that's not correct, my estimate may be way off. Assuming the height is correct, they aren't going to be rebuilding the tower crane, just dismantling the boom, lowering it, and checking the rest of the tower to make sure there are no further problems. Assuming they find no further structural problems, a four day round the clock schedule is realistic. I was always amazed at how much work could get done with enough people getting paid triple time. :)
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458. vanwx
9:29 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
overwash12 7:41 PM GMT on October 30, 2012 +0
News alert: Global warming did not cause or made this storm worse in any fashion! This is all under the assumption that there is such a thing!

Is this comment made in sarcastic humour or do you really believe that? The protocol on this board is to flag humour.
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457. entrelac
9:27 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting Neapolitan:
I'm not an attorney, but "I killed him because he disagreed with me" isn't considered an adequate defense in any jurisdiction of which I'm aware.
I am not a lawyer, but I play one on the internet, and I'm pretty sure that internet court allows this defense in forum disagreements.
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456. EricSpittle
9:27 PM GMT on October 30, 2012
Quoting sar2401:


Yes, it clearly Irene, although photoshopped up a little to make it look more like a "perfect Fibonacci sequence". This is the real photo of Irene:



I have never seen so many fake pictures so fast as I have with this storm. I guess we have this kind of garbage to look forward to, along with rising sea levels. :(

Unfortunately, because of how many stupid people exist on Twitter this is something that will likely never get better. You see that picture of the supercell photoshopped behind the statue of liberty and think "well, that's retarded, that isn't at all what a hurricane looks like and is definitely a supercell" but others see it and think "wow, how beautiful this storm is, I should share this with my million followers" neither knowing what a supercell nor a hurricane looks like. Then they look at the other supercell picture from NYC (the real one, taken last year, during the huge tornado outbreak in the area) and think "this must be the same storm in a different place" because they both look like mothership clouds. That is why I didn't spend a second of this storm on Twitter, much more intelligent people here.
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