Major U.S. Winter Storms to get names

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:50 PM GMT on October 02, 2012

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October is here, and its time to start thinking about how the coming winter's storm might compare to mighty blizzards of years past. Do you remember the North American blizzard of February 4, 2010? No? Well, do you remember Snowmageddon, the massive February 2010 Nor'easter that dumped up to 38" of snow in the mid-Atlantic, and killed 41 people? The two storms are the same, but having a simple name for the snowstorm like "Snowmageddon" helps us identify and remember the impacts of the storm. Naming a major winter storm makes even more sense if it is done before the storm hits, to aid in raising awareness of the storm, and to reduce the risks the public faces. That's exactly what The Weather Channel is going to do for the U.S. this winter, they announced in a press release today. A group of senior meteorologists at The Weather Channel chose 26 names for the upcoming winter of 2012 - 2013. The only criteria was to select names that are not and have never been on any of the hurricane lists produced by the National Hurricane Center or National Weather Service. Naming of a winter storm will occur no earlier than three days prior to it hitting, to ensure there is strong confidence that the system could have significant impact on large populations. There is no national center for monitoring winter storms like we have for hurricanes with the National Hurricane Center, so I think it makes sense for The Weather Channel to take this step.


Figure 1. Snowmageddon in Maryland: February 4, 2010. Image credit: wunderphotographer chills.

U.S. winter storm names for winter of 2012 - 2013
Athena -- The Greek goddess of wisdom, courage, inspirations, justice, mathematics and all things wonderful

Brutus -- Roman Senator and best known assassin of Julius
Caesar -- Title used by Roman and Byzantine Emperors 

Draco -- The first legislator of Athens in Ancient
Euclid -- A mathematician in Ancient Greece, the Father of Geometry
Freyr -- A Norse god associated with fair weather, among other things

Gandolf -- A character in a 1896 fantasy novel in a pseudo-medieval countryside

Helen – In Greek mythology, Helen of Troy was the daughter of Zeus

Iago -- Enemy of Othello in Shakespeare’s play, Othello

Jove -- The English name for Jupiter, the Roman god of light and sky.

Kahn -- Mongolian conqueror and emperor of the Mongol Empire

Luna -- The divine embodiment of the moon in Roman mythology

Magnus -- The Father of Europe, Charlemagne the Great, in Latin: Carolus Magnus 

Nemo -- A Greek boy’s name meaning “from the valley”, means “nobody” in Latin 

Orko -- The thunder god in Basque mythology

Plato -- Greek philosopher and mathematician, who was named by his wrestling coach

Q -- The Broadway Express subway line in New York City

Rocky -- A single mountain in the Rockies

Saturn -- Roman god of time, among other things who had a planet named after him

Triton -- In Greek mythology, the messenger of the deep sea, son of Poseidon

Ukko -- In Finnish mythology, the god of the sky and weather

Virgil -- One of ancient Rome’s greatest poets

Walda -- Name from Old German meaning “ruler”

Xerxes -- The fourth king of the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Xerxes the Great

Yogi -- People who do yoga

Zeus -- In Greek mythology, the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and the gods who lived there

I expect that this year The Weather Channel will be pretty conservative about assigning names, and only the very strongest winter storms will get named. For the eastern 2/3 of the country, storms that receive a ranking of "notable" or higher on NOAA's Regional Snowfall Index (RSI) or Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale (NESIS) are the only ones fairly certain to get named this winter. We only had one such storm during the winter of 2011 - 2012 (Snowtober, on October 29 - 31, 2011.) Thus, if we have another wimpy winter like last winter, we probably won't get to see the Wrath of Khan.

Naming of Winter Storms in Europe
Various organizations in Europe have been naming their winter storms since 1954, and the public has reacted positively to this practice. The names given by the Free University of Berlin are the most widely used, and have been in existence since 1954. Their meteorologists traditionally name all lows and highs that influence the Central European weather. In November 2002, the Free University began an Adopt-a-Vortex scheme, which allows anyone to buy a storm name. The money raised is used by the meteorology department to maintain weather observations at the university. Over 1,800 participants from 15 European countries plus Brazil, Japan and the United States have participated. So far in 2012, 90 European low pressure systems have been given names.


Figure 2. A huge wave from Winter Storm Klaus rolls into Santander, Spain, in this wunderphoto taken by wunderphotographer lunada on January 24, 2009. Klaus had a central pressure of 967 mb at its peak on the morning of January 24, and brought sustained winds of 59 mph, gusting to 81 mph, to Santander. Wind gusts as high as 124 mph (199 km/hr) occurred along the northern coast of Spain, and the storm killed at least 26 people in Spain, France, and Italy.

Naming of Lake Effect Winter Storms by NWS Buffalo
Tom Niziol, The Weather Channel's winter storm expert, was meteorologist-in-charge of the Buffalo, New York NWS office until January 2012. He tells me that for over ten years, the Buffalo NWS has been naming lake-effect storms. This was done only after the event occurred, to avoid any confusion, but was very popular with users. The names were chosen on a yearly basis by having the office staff vote for one of several themes--such as insects, heavenly bodies, famous scientists, minerals, Native American tribes, etc. Last winter, eight storms were named after breeds of cows (?!), as seen at the NWS Buffalo Lake Effect web page. I was not asked to contribute to this year's list of U.S. winter storms, but will lobby for next year's list of names to be taken from famous monsters--Rodan, Ghidorah, Nessie, Kong, Bunnicula, etc.


Figure 3. The most significant lake-effect snow storm of the winter of 2011 - 2012 was named Lake Effect Storm Evolene by the NWS office in Buffalo, New York. Image credit: NWS Buffalo Lake Effect web page.

Nadine
The Methuselah of Atlantic tropical storms, Tropical Storm Nadine, is slowly weakening over cool 22 - 24°C waters. Nadine will have accumulated 20 days as a tropical cyclone later today, but the end is in sight. Wind shear will rise to 30 knots and ocean temperatures will drop to 20°C by Thursday, which should cause Nadine to transition to an extratropical storm as it passes by the northern Azores Islands on Thursday and Friday.

96L off the coast of Africa no threat to land
A tropical wave that emerged off the coast of Africa over the weekend (Invest 96L) has a moderate amount of spin and a large area of heavy thunderstorms that is growing more organized. The storm is located about 925 miles west of the Cape Verde Islands, and is headed northwest at 10 - 15 mph. Wind shear is a moderate 10 knots, and is predicted to remain light to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, through Friday. The atmosphere surrounding 96L is fairly moist, and the disturbance does have a good degree of model support for becoming a tropical depression by late in the week. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 96L a 70% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Thursday morning. 96L is likely to get pulled northwards by a large trough of low pressure over the Central Atlantic late this week, and should not be a threat to the Lesser Antilles Islands.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting washingtonian115:
Snowmeggadon was to hard for me to remember all though I do remember it snowing for at least 24+ hours and about 30" of snow in my yard...Then about 4 days after another storm came and dumped another 13"+ in my yard leaving us with 4- 5 feet of snow with 7-8 foot drifts and lots and lots of advil and heating/cooling pads...

Other notable recent snow events
Minneapolis Metrodome collapse snowstorm-Dec 17, 2010
Snowcopalypse- Dec 21, 2009
Snowpril- April 24, 2012
Atlanta Snowstorm- Jan, 10, 2011
Dallas Snowstorm- Feb 11, 2010
South Texas White Christmas Storm- Dec 24, 2004
Southwest Ohio Heavy Snow Dec 24, 2004
Does anyone think these events would have met criteria to be named?
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Quoting CosmicEvents:
I've never even seen the word disambiguation used. Congrats, I guess, but I think the NWS does a fine job already and the media communicates it just fine on winter weather probabilities. I can only see some addition like this as adding to any disambiguation:>)

I think you mean adding to ambiguation or ambiguity or confusion, uncertainty by throwing something in the mix that is not part of the official NWS statement while trying to make it appear official by assigning it a preconceived name.
This has Bastardi tactic written all over it.
Okay, enough. Things happen. whatever.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

I would also like to see a graphic for the criteria of naming winter storms. I will be making my own over the next few days but this is their thing. 2012-2013 winter shall be an interesting one.

TWC doesn't have any system on how a certain storm will be rated on, it will just be randomly done.
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I think the naming of winter storms is dumb unless news organizations and NOAA use these names.And nadine still hasn't die.I wonder if it will delay it death until early thursday?
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Quoting Chicklit:

Well, you know how I feel about it.
And I don't have cable TV so I won't be exposed.


So it will only be a limited market. Don't most people here not rate TWC on being about weather and more on reality programs like ice pilots, iceberg hunters, iron men. How are these programs weather related. How about just being a weather channel 1st and maybe get more people watching it for the weather content.
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Quoting j2008:
This has got me thinking, I will come up with my own nameing system for the lower 48 winter storms. I've heard that there is a storm expected to bring snow to Montana. Tenatively we shall call that WS 1 (WinterStorm 1)

I would also like to see a graphic for the criteria of naming winter storms. I will be making my own over the next few days but this is their thing. 2012-2013 winter shall be an interesting one.
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Quoting SherwoodSpirit:


I'm pulling for a few more tropical storms to happen this season. At least till they get to the V storm. And then I hope she's as harmless and silly as me.
My name is Valerie. :)

oh...yippee...will be pulling for you but you have a ways to go!
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Quoting Neapolitan:
And it will certainly bring about some uniformity and disambiguation that's currently missing.
I've never even seen the word disambiguation used. Congrats, I guess, but I think the NWS does a fine job already and the media communicates it just fine on winter weather probabilities. I can only see some addition like this as adding to any disambiguation:>)
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Quoting Chicklit:

gotcha. maybe if my name was on the list I'd feel better about it.


I'm pulling for a few more tropical storms to happen this season. At least till they get to the V storm. And then I hope she's as harmless and silly as me.
My name is Valerie. :)
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Quoting wxchaser97:

I think it is a cool idea but they should be cautious with naming snowstorms. Maybe if it works we get a winter weather branch that fully handles winter weather.

Well, you know how I feel about it.
And I don't have cable TV so I won't be exposed.
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491. j2008
This has got me thinking, I will come up with my own nameing system for the lower 48 winter storms. I've heard that there is a storm expected to bring snow to Montana. Tenatively we shall call that WS 1 (WinterStorm 1)
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Quoting Chicklit:
Maybe if they used superaction names like 'menace' or 'sidewinder' but really...the concept is hokey.
Really, TWC naming storms? What are they putting in the coffee over there?

I think it is a cool idea but they should be cautious with naming snowstorms. Maybe if it works we get a winter weather branch that fully handles winter weather like how we have the NHC and SPC.
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Maybe if they used superaction names like 'menace' or 'sidewinder' but really...TWC naming storms?
What are they putting in the coffee over there?
I'm appalled.
goodnight.
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Quoting Grothar:


I think my name would fit nicely there on that list. In years to come, when I'm no longer around you could all write "Remember Grothar?" What a disaster that was.

I thought it was the other way around and you remember all of us in the future.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


That was random. Did Katia have the highest ACE of 2011?

Katia did have the highest ace in 2011, 24.8, and Nadine should beat Katia tomorrow. I can't guarantee anything since we are talking about Nadine.
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Quoting Grothar:


I think my name would fit nicely there on that list. In years to come, when I'm no longer around you could all write "Remember Grothar?" What a disaster that was.

gotcha. maybe if my name was on the list I'd feel better about it.
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Quoting beell:


Yeah, I fixed it Skye. I suppose it was a little to much of an obscure reference to the possibility that the right to name a storm might be for sale to the highest bidder.

Anyway, the post was removed. Along with a few the other day. I suppose I have overstayed my welcome!


Your always welcome beell..

Seems like a pretty anti-spam rule in play though. I didn't get it with the first link broke. The efficient heat pump, made me think of the efficient water pumps from earlier & threw me. Obscure reference sounds about right.

Partial 96L TRMM
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Quoting Grothar:


I think my name would fit nicely there on that list. In years to come, when I'm no longer around you could all write "Remember Grothar?" What a disaster that was.


ROFL! I love your sense of humor!
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Quoting bappit:

I agree completely. This is just a gimmick. Winter storms in most of the continental U.S. are on us by the time they form. We can track winter storms (or tropical cyclones for that matter) prior to impact only when they approach land from the ocean. In the story Storm by George Stewart, the forecaster names a Pacific storm Maria. That's because he could see the storm coming from a long way off. I think that applies to the named winter storms that affect Europe.


This hit the nail right on the head.

From Dr Ryan Maue ‏@RyanMaue
TWC doing it wrong. With any "naming" scheme, must either name/number all storms in sequence at threshold intensity. otherwise, arbitrary naming based upon societal impact is more a "post-event" judgment. Choose: go w/science or publicity, not halfway.
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Quoting AussieStorm:

What if one of the forecasters decided to do it. ATCF is just a computer system. the NHC doesn't have to follow whatever data it spits out.


Yes, but people are the ones who integrate that data. I've never seen a renumber not be official. Not the same for intensity estimates.
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So you could say, "Dude! Do you remember Dude?"
hehe
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Quoting Chicklit:


I hereby name the first winter storm malarky.


I think my name would fit nicely there on that list. In years to come, when I'm no longer around you could all write "Remember Grothar?" What a disaster that was.
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Quoting AussieStorm:

What if one of the forecasters decided to do it. ATCF is just a computer system. the NHC doesn't have to follow whatever data it spits out.

That is correct that ATCF isn't official, but we would've seen the advisory by now though. Almost always there is a renumber though before an invest becomes a TD.
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Quoting j2008:
So I wonder if the west coast is going to get impacted by a storm, will it get named? I heard something earlier that these names will be used for the east coast pretty much exclusively.


The west coast will have to come up with their own names.
"Santa Ana Windstorm Dude" sounds good to me. ;)
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Quoting KoritheMan:


If they were going to, a renumber would have appeared in ATCF by now.

What if one of the forecasters decided to do it. ATCF is just a computer system. the NHC doesn't have to follow whatever data it spits out.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


That was random. Did Katia have the highest ACE of 2011?


Yup, 24.8.

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Quoting Skyepony:
beell~ The first didn't work, the second is total cruise ship spam & the third a water heater commercial...



We've been rooting for her in my blog. There is some good Nadine songs in there.


Yeah, I fixed it Skye. I suppose it was a little to much of an obscure reference to the possibility that the right to name a storm might be for sale to the highest bidder.

Anyway, the post was removed by admin. Along with a few the other day. I suppose I have overstayed my welcome!
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Quoting Grothar:


Please don't show a map of a storm and not show the name. It can be confusing.


I hereby name the first winter storm Malarky (with a capital m).
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Quoting goalexgo:
I do NOT like the idea of naming winter storms. That is preserved for the greatest of all storms, the tropical cyclone.

Where does it end? West coast storms named after hollywood actors?

Really nice weather systems like High Pressure System Marv?

Nothing is sacred, and I am very disapointed that this community is not up in arms over this horrific situation.



I also don't like that a commercial company is going to name winter storms. There is many people on here that don't like it but they are drowned out by the people that do like it.

TWC will not name every system not even every significant system, just systems that effect the east coast. So if a system dumps 20in of snow on and just east of the rockies it won't get named.
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Quoting Slamguitar:
Nadine will pass Katia in ACE tomorrow.


That was random. Did Katia have the highest ACE of 2011?
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Quoting Grothar:


Please don't show a map of a storm and not show the name. It can be confusing.


Oh you!
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Nadine will pass Katia in ACE tomorrow.
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Quoting CosmicEvents:
In my opinion, a private company naming storms arbitrarily by standards nobody knows, not even the self-appointed namers....seems like that's a slam-dunk silly idea that I'd expect to find in the Onion or on April 1. Add in the Greek names proposed and it gets worse.

I agree completely. This is just a gimmick. Winter storms in most of the continental U.S. are on us by the time they form. We can track winter storms (or tropical cyclones for that matter) prior to impact only when they approach land from the ocean. In the story Storm by George Stewart, the forecaster names a Pacific storm Maria. That's because he could see the storm coming from a long way off. I think that applies to the named winter storms that affect Europe.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The GFS model predicts much of the state of North Dakota will see measurable snowfall over the next 36 hours.



Please don't show a map of a storm and not show the name. It can be confusing.
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Quoting all4hurricanes:
Nadine is down to 50mph
I'm am hoping that they will call TD15 in a few minutes but they don't normally have fractured updates


If they were going to, a renumber would have appeared in ATCF by now.
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I think it's hokey that TWC is going to name winter storms.
Besides calling themselves 'the weather authority, who do they think they are?
Certainly not the NWS.
bah humbug.
And Jeff has to report that nonsense.
sheesh.
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Nadine is down to 50mph
I'm am hoping that they will call TD15 in a few minutes but they don't normally have fractured updates
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TROPICAL STORM NADINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 82
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL142012
1100 PM AST TUE OCT 02 2012

NADINE IS BEGINNING TO SHOW SIGNS OF BECOMING SHEARED APART AS
THE UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH THAT HAS BEEN PROTECTING IT MOVES OFF TO
THE EAST...EXPOSING THE CYCLONE TO INCREASING NORTHWESTERLY WINDS.
THE INITIAL INTENSITY OF 45 KT IS BASED ON A BLEND OF SATELLITE
T-NUMBERS AND CI-NUMBERS FROM TAFB AND SAB. WIND RADII WERE
ADJUSTED INWARD SLIGHTLY BASED ON A PARTIAL ASCAT PASS AT 02/2317
UTC...WHICH CAUGHT THE WESTERN SEMICIRCLE OF NADINE.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 090/08 KT. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE TO PREVIOUS FORECAST TRACK OR REASONING. THE NHC MODEL
GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON NADINE GRADUALLY TURNING
NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS AND MOVING THROUGH THE CENTRAL
OR WESTERN AZORES IN ABOUT 30 HOURS. IN THE 36- TO 72-HOUR TIME
FRAME...THE CYCLONE IS EXPECTED TO TURN NORTHWARD AS IT IS STEERED
AROUND A MUCH LARGER DEEP-LAYER TROUGH/LOW CURRENTLY EAST OF
NEWFOUNDLAND THAT IS FORECAST TO DIG SOUTHEASTWARD INTO THE CENTRAL
ATLANTIC AND AMPLIFY OVER THE NEXT 3 DAYS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST
TRACK IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY...AND LIES CLOSE TO THE
MIDDLE OF THE TIGHTLY PACKED NHC GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.

THE AFOREMENTIONED SHEAR PATTERN COULD BECOME MORE PRONOUNCED OVER
THE NEXT 24 HOURS...WHICH SHOULD RESULT IN AT LEAST SOME GRADUAL
WEAKENING. AS NADINE APPROACHES AND EVENTUALLY MOVES NORTH OF THE
AZORES ISLANDS...SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES WILL SHARPLY DECREASE TO
LESS THAN 20C. THE COMBINATION OF SHEAR AND COOLER WATERS WOULD
NORMALLY PRODUCE RAPID WEAKENING AND/OR DISSIPATION OF THE TROPICAL
CYCLONE. IN THIS CASE...HOWEVER...THE MIDDLE AND UPPER TROPOSPHERE
IS ALSO FORECAST TO COOL...WHICH COULD RESULT IN JUST ENOUGH
INSTABILITY TO PRODUCE SOME MODERATE CONVECTION AND ALLOW NADINE TO
HANG ON TO TROPICAL CYCLONE STATUS AS IT PASSES THROUGH THE AZORES.
BY 48 HOURS...HOSTILE VERTICAL SHEAR CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE
AMPLIFYING DEEP-LAYER TROUGH/LOW SHOULD BRING ABOUT A RAPID DEMISE
OF NADINE BY DAY 3...WITH ITS REMNANTS BEING ABSORBED INTO A VERY
LARGE EXTRATROPICAL LOW BY DAY 4.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 03/0300Z 34.4N 35.7W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 03/1200Z 35.2N 33.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
24H 04/0000Z 37.2N 30.9W 45 KT 50 MPH...SOUTHWEST OF AZORES
36H 04/1200Z 40.8N 28.2W 45 KT 50 MPH...NORTH OF AZORES
48H 05/0000Z 44.6N 26.4W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
72H 06/0000Z 48.0N 28.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 07/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
FORECASTER STEWART

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Quoting Neapolitan:
Oh, pshaw. I don't ridicule everyone who disagrees with me; if I did, I'd never get anything productive done. No, I only ridicule the ridiculous--and the Drudge Report is about as ridiculous as tabloid "journalism" gets.

I think Fox news is about as ridiculous as cable news "journalism" gets. oh wait, did I just say that, oh, that's right, it's my opinion. I am allowed to have an opinion, right?????


Looks like 96L is going north now.


Gaemi (between Vietnam and Philippines) looks the more interesting system in the WPAC. If Maliksi wasn't moving so fast it might of had a shot at becoming a large Typhhon.

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Quoting GTcooliebai:
So 9 Winter Storms, 5 Blizzards, and 3 Major Blizzards? :P


lol

Well, substituting Global Warming into the equation(GW), we find the result to be: +/- 2, for each.

;)
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Oh please, what is the worst that could happen?

Right now I can't see much bad, I want to see how this will turn out.

Quoting KoritheMan:
No ATCF renumber with 96L tonight. How lame.

Awww man, I wanted to see TD15 before going to bed. All I have is never-ending Nadine to deal with.
...NEVER-ENDING NADINE CONTINUES TOWARD THE AZORES...
11:00 PM AST Tue Oct 2
Location: 34.4°N 35.7°W
Moving: E at 9 mph
Min pressure: 996 mb
Max sustained: 50 mph

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The GFS model predicts much of the state of North Dakota will see measurable snowfall over the next 36 hours.


You are making me jealous TA.
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Quoting angelafritz:
It got up to 93 at KSFO today, and was mid-nineties in the city, as well. We got three days of summer here in SF... and it's back to fog tomorrow.


NoCal is awesome in the fall. Heaven on Earth.
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Quoting angelafritz:


When I first heard the idea I was indifferent. When I started to realize how beneficial it might be for 1) public awareness and 2) post-storm documentation, it really grew on me. Like I said, I know they're not trying to categorize storms, so letting it be subjective doesn't bother me.

Also, just because TWC names a storm doesn't mean the rest of the media or NWS have to refer to it that way. It's just a TWC thing.

In general, do I think naming winter storms is a good idea? Yes. Europe has been naming ALL lows and highs that "impact Europe's weather" for years, and the response has been good.


You don't think that might be potentially confusing to the Public? TWC could be talking about "Khan" and, at the same time, NWS will be mentioning winter storm warnings with 10-20 inches in the same locations with no mention of a storm name at all. It would be ok if all agencies adopted the same convention, but they haven't (at least yet). Fundamentally, TWC shouldn't be leading public policy - they're not disinterested, and this is obviously a marketing scheme. Its not in the public interest. It would be if TWC successfully lobbied NWS to adopt winter storm names...then everyone could use them.
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The GFS model predicts much of the state of North Dakota will see measurable snowfall over the next 36 hours.

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Quoting angelafritz:
It got up to 93 at KSFO today, and was mid-nineties in the city, as well. We got three days of summer here in SF... and it's back to fog tomorrow.


Love and miss the Fog..
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Quoting weatherbro:


Looks like the current HPC map pushes that front through by Friday(Link). But regardless, big changes are in store next week as the Bermuda Ridge gets pushed east and weakens! An intense east conus trough is poised to set the stage for gorgeous Florida Fall weather(not to worry, as we've had plenty of rain to dent the drought)!!!

I say bring it on!!!



Well, I wouldn't get too excited about the cool down potential next week until it actually happens, I mean it is the extended forecast. Typically forecasting has improved enough recently to accurately predict at least trends in the extended. So, I would imagine the prediction of a frontal passage and some degree of cooling and drying will occur. However it is too far out to conclude how much cooling and drying will occur and for how long.

I do agree though that it's nice to see that change :) While by far my favorite season here is late spring through early fall because it is the rainy season, I like all changes in season, as the heat and humidity certainly does get old.
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No ATCF renumber with 96L tonight. How lame.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Nadine just refuses to let go.She is not stopping unless on her own terms it seems.
She is not dying until 96l is not name Oscar.
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:
Does any one know what the NWS plans to do with those winter storm names...or they are not going to bother to use them?
Since the NWS information is the only official data for weather and severe storms...

It will only be TWC to use these names. Nothing official from NWS. Just a PR Campaign.
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It got up to 93 at KSFO today, and was mid-nineties in the city, as well. We got three days of summer here in SF... and it's back to fog tomorrow.
Quoting goalexgo:
I do NOT like the idea of naming winter storms. That is preserved for the greatest of all storms, the tropical cyclone.

Where does it end? West coast storms named after hollywood actors?

Really nice weather systems like High Pressure System Marv?

Nothing is sacred, and I am very disapointed that this community is not up in arms over this horrific situation.


Oh please, what is the worst that could happen?
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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