Major U.S. Winter Storms to get names

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:50 PM GMT on October 02, 2012

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October is here, and its time to start thinking about how the coming winter's storm might compare to mighty blizzards of years past. Do you remember the North American blizzard of February 4, 2010? No? Well, do you remember Snowmageddon, the massive February 2010 Nor'easter that dumped up to 38" of snow in the mid-Atlantic, and killed 41 people? The two storms are the same, but having a simple name for the snowstorm like "Snowmageddon" helps us identify and remember the impacts of the storm. Naming a major winter storm makes even more sense if it is done before the storm hits, to aid in raising awareness of the storm, and to reduce the risks the public faces. That's exactly what The Weather Channel is going to do for the U.S. this winter, they announced in a press release today. A group of senior meteorologists at The Weather Channel chose 26 names for the upcoming winter of 2012 - 2013. The only criteria was to select names that are not and have never been on any of the hurricane lists produced by the National Hurricane Center or National Weather Service. Naming of a winter storm will occur no earlier than three days prior to it hitting, to ensure there is strong confidence that the system could have significant impact on large populations. There is no national center for monitoring winter storms like we have for hurricanes with the National Hurricane Center, so I think it makes sense for The Weather Channel to take this step.


Figure 1. Snowmageddon in Maryland: February 4, 2010. Image credit: wunderphotographer chills.

U.S. winter storm names for winter of 2012 - 2013
Athena -- The Greek goddess of wisdom, courage, inspirations, justice, mathematics and all things wonderful

Brutus -- Roman Senator and best known assassin of Julius
Caesar -- Title used by Roman and Byzantine Emperors 

Draco -- The first legislator of Athens in Ancient
Euclid -- A mathematician in Ancient Greece, the Father of Geometry
Freyr -- A Norse god associated with fair weather, among other things

Gandolf -- A character in a 1896 fantasy novel in a pseudo-medieval countryside

Helen – In Greek mythology, Helen of Troy was the daughter of Zeus

Iago -- Enemy of Othello in Shakespeare’s play, Othello

Jove -- The English name for Jupiter, the Roman god of light and sky.

Kahn -- Mongolian conqueror and emperor of the Mongol Empire

Luna -- The divine embodiment of the moon in Roman mythology

Magnus -- The Father of Europe, Charlemagne the Great, in Latin: Carolus Magnus 

Nemo -- A Greek boy’s name meaning “from the valley”, means “nobody” in Latin 

Orko -- The thunder god in Basque mythology

Plato -- Greek philosopher and mathematician, who was named by his wrestling coach

Q -- The Broadway Express subway line in New York City

Rocky -- A single mountain in the Rockies

Saturn -- Roman god of time, among other things who had a planet named after him

Triton -- In Greek mythology, the messenger of the deep sea, son of Poseidon

Ukko -- In Finnish mythology, the god of the sky and weather

Virgil -- One of ancient Rome’s greatest poets

Walda -- Name from Old German meaning “ruler”

Xerxes -- The fourth king of the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Xerxes the Great

Yogi -- People who do yoga

Zeus -- In Greek mythology, the supreme ruler of Mount Olympus and the gods who lived there

I expect that this year The Weather Channel will be pretty conservative about assigning names, and only the very strongest winter storms will get named. For the eastern 2/3 of the country, storms that receive a ranking of "notable" or higher on NOAA's Regional Snowfall Index (RSI) or Northeast Snowfall Impact Scale (NESIS) are the only ones fairly certain to get named this winter. We only had one such storm during the winter of 2011 - 2012 (Snowtober, on October 29 - 31, 2011.) Thus, if we have another wimpy winter like last winter, we probably won't get to see the Wrath of Khan.

Naming of Winter Storms in Europe
Various organizations in Europe have been naming their winter storms since 1954, and the public has reacted positively to this practice. The names given by the Free University of Berlin are the most widely used, and have been in existence since 1954. Their meteorologists traditionally name all lows and highs that influence the Central European weather. In November 2002, the Free University began an Adopt-a-Vortex scheme, which allows anyone to buy a storm name. The money raised is used by the meteorology department to maintain weather observations at the university. Over 1,800 participants from 15 European countries plus Brazil, Japan and the United States have participated. So far in 2012, 90 European low pressure systems have been given names.


Figure 2. A huge wave from Winter Storm Klaus rolls into Santander, Spain, in this wunderphoto taken by wunderphotographer lunada on January 24, 2009. Klaus had a central pressure of 967 mb at its peak on the morning of January 24, and brought sustained winds of 59 mph, gusting to 81 mph, to Santander. Wind gusts as high as 124 mph (199 km/hr) occurred along the northern coast of Spain, and the storm killed at least 26 people in Spain, France, and Italy.

Naming of Lake Effect Winter Storms by NWS Buffalo
Tom Niziol, The Weather Channel's winter storm expert, was meteorologist-in-charge of the Buffalo, New York NWS office until January 2012. He tells me that for over ten years, the Buffalo NWS has been naming lake-effect storms. This was done only after the event occurred, to avoid any confusion, but was very popular with users. The names were chosen on a yearly basis by having the office staff vote for one of several themes--such as insects, heavenly bodies, famous scientists, minerals, Native American tribes, etc. Last winter, eight storms were named after breeds of cows (?!), as seen at the NWS Buffalo Lake Effect web page. I was not asked to contribute to this year's list of U.S. winter storms, but will lobby for next year's list of names to be taken from famous monsters--Rodan, Ghidorah, Nessie, Kong, Bunnicula, etc.


Figure 3. The most significant lake-effect snow storm of the winter of 2011 - 2012 was named Lake Effect Storm Evolene by the NWS office in Buffalo, New York. Image credit: NWS Buffalo Lake Effect web page.

Nadine
The Methuselah of Atlantic tropical storms, Tropical Storm Nadine, is slowly weakening over cool 22 - 24°C waters. Nadine will have accumulated 20 days as a tropical cyclone later today, but the end is in sight. Wind shear will rise to 30 knots and ocean temperatures will drop to 20°C by Thursday, which should cause Nadine to transition to an extratropical storm as it passes by the northern Azores Islands on Thursday and Friday.

96L off the coast of Africa no threat to land
A tropical wave that emerged off the coast of Africa over the weekend (Invest 96L) has a moderate amount of spin and a large area of heavy thunderstorms that is growing more organized. The storm is located about 925 miles west of the Cape Verde Islands, and is headed northwest at 10 - 15 mph. Wind shear is a moderate 10 knots, and is predicted to remain light to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, through Friday. The atmosphere surrounding 96L is fairly moist, and the disturbance does have a good degree of model support for becoming a tropical depression by late in the week. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 96L a 70% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Thursday morning. 96L is likely to get pulled northwards by a large trough of low pressure over the Central Atlantic late this week, and should not be a threat to the Lesser Antilles Islands.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting CaribBoy:
When some comments are hidden, what does it mean?
I get that sometimes also Carib.... Not sure
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When some comments are hidden, what does it mean?
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Quoting zicoille:

we all wish for that, but 2012 is a mess! We will have 1 year to wait again...


IF AT LEAST we had some rain... BUT EVEN RAIN WE DON'T HAVE! 2012 IS A COMPLETE MESS. I MISS 2010, was an excellent year for the N LEEWARDS (lots of weather events including EARL and the flood event of october).
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Quoting SLU:


Who knows, maybe next year you might get a LUIS, a MARILYN, a HORTENSE, a GEORGES, a JOSE and a LENNY all in the same season to make up since this year is so unproductive.

we all wish for that, but 2012 is a mess! We will have 1 year to wait again...
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Quoting CaribBoy:


would be fun ^^

I hope So!
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Quoting unknowncomic:
Disturbance at 20W 8N that could make it to the Caribbean.



WILL DISSIPATE :(
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Quoting tonkawa:
TWC should instead persuade NOAA to do this.

Perhaps I missed something in the stories, but TWC is simply not authorized to do this on behalf of a nation or the world. They could easily drive an effort to get NOAA to adopt such a scheme. I am not saying naming a winter storm is a Bad Thing, but this move would make TWC a de factor authority - which they aren't. Having NOAA oversight would aid in vetted standardization of requirements used to give names.


Just wondering...Is there a law stating that they must be authorized?:)
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Disturbance at 20W 8N that could make it to the Caribbean.

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Quoting Neapolitan:
'Tis a word.
Nea.......I remember you...Were you not the guy I met that had a booth at "TIN CITY" selling the plastic Florida molds of the manatees? Yes...You were so kind. Thank you. I still have mine on the mantle next to the pictures of my children... Thanks again
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Quoting Jedkins01:
The cold front is about to clear through the Tampa Bay area tonight, it better stall soon and begin to lift quickly back north or else the wet forecast advertised days in advanced will be a dud. I will be upset as I have been hoping for quite a bit of rain. However I haven't had much confidence in the wet forecast though. The last front to stall was expected to be quite a drencher, and it too never really did do much more than scattered showers for a couple days. It's not over yet though, what happens over night into tomorrow morning will prove whether the rainy pattern truly materializes or not.


The reason might be the atmosphere over Florida often stabilizes quite a bit in the fall, which is the reason for a drop off in the rainy season, even if atmospheric moisture remains high. After an active rain season, it's common for the atmosphere to struggle into conditional instability or beyond for a while until the cooler season arrives.
I don't think it will clear through tonight. The ull seems to be moving north a little quicker now....
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
pshaw...I don't recall that person...Is that a word or a person? I don't believe I enjoyed the conversation regarding this Drudge, person, place ,or thing...
'Tis a word.
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Quoting SLU:


Who knows, maybe next year you might get a LUIS, a MARILYN, a HORTENSE, a GEORGES, a JOSE and a LENNY all in the same season to make up since this year is so unproductive.


would be fun ^^
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Oh, pshaw. I don't ridicule everyone who disagrees with me; if I did, I'd never get anything productive done. No, I only ridicule the ridiculous--and the Drudge Report is about as ridiculous as tabloid "journalism" gets.
pshaw...I don't recall that person...Is that a word or a person? I don't believe I enjoyed the conversation regarding this Drudge, person, place ,or thing...
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This is gonna be weird.... hearing on TWC... Winter Storm Athena has formed over Wisconsin (or wherever Athena forms)
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well dinner time..see you all later,stay safe out there...
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
FtMyersgal........Don't let Nea get the upper hand......We all know he is rude, go with the flow and skip over his posts like I now do. His goal in life seems to ridicule everyone that doesn't agree with him....Let it go and enjoy the other posters.
Oh, pshaw. I don't ridicule everyone who disagrees with me; if I did, I'd never get anything productive done. No, I only ridicule the ridiculous--and the Drudge Report is about as ridiculous as tabloid "journalism" gets.
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Quoting Slamguitar:


Jeff has been covering "winter topics" during the winter months. Usually the blog is pretty slow then. Maybe these names will help spark more interest.
yes thats what Im hoping to see..lets keep the posts coming thru the winter months as well..I'll do my part for sure..
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Quoting LargoFl:
a group question if i may...now that they are naming winter storms on WC..will the doc now have the topic of this site tropical storms in summer and Winter storms in Winter??...seems like a great idea to me...I for one will always cover the gulf/Florida weather thru the year when i can..how about YOU folks?


Jeff has been covering "winter topics" during the winter months. Usually the blog is pretty slow then. Maybe these names will help spark more interest.
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SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
456 PM EDT TUE OCT 2 2012

FLZ069-070-022145-
COASTAL COLLIER COUNTY FL INLAND COLLIER COUNTY FL
456 PM EDT TUE OCT 2 2012

...A SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR WESTERN COLLIER
COUNTY...FOR GUSTY WINDS OF 45 TO 55 MPH...

THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUNNEL CLOUDS...

* UNTIL 545 PM EDT

* AT 452 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
STRONG THUNDERSTORM NEAR GOLDEN GATE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 40
MPH.

* THE STORM WILL AFFECT...
GOLDEN GATE...
GOLDEN GATE ESTATES...
QUAIL CREEK ESTATES...
ORANGE TREE...
CORKSCREW SWAMP SANCTUARY...
AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

THIS ACTIVITY WAS ALSO DEVELOPING IN AN ENVIRONMENT FAVORABLE FOR THE
FORMATION OF FUNNEL CLOUDS. STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO AND
LOCAL MEDIA FOR ADDITIONAL UPDATES AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

FUNNEL CLOUDS OCCASIONALLY TOUCH DOWN AND PRODUCE TORNADOES. MOVE
INDOORS AND STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS.

LAT...LON 2632 8178 2632 8166 2642 8167 2643 8166
2643 8157 2614 8146 2591 8171 2610 8181
2613 8181 2626 8183
TIME...MOT...LOC 2055Z 206DEG 35KT 2618 8169

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a group question if i may...now that they are naming winter storms on WC..will the doc now have the topic of this site tropical storms in summer and Winter storms in Winter??...seems like a great idea to me...I for one will always cover the gulf/Florida weather thru the year when i can..how about YOU folks?
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278. MTWX
Quoting WeatherN00b:
Guys, I am pretty sure Q is a character from Star Trek TNG.


I was thinking more along the line of James Bond....
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Quoting WeatherN00b:
Guys, I am pretty sure Q is a character from Star Trek TNG.


That's what I first thought. I'm not a NY'er so the subway definition holds no weight for me.

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Guys, I am pretty sure Q is a character from Star Trek TNG.
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alot of energy being transported on this express coming out of the carib over florida
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TROPICAL STORM NADINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 81
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL142012
500 PM AST TUE OCT 02 2012

NADINE HAS BECOME LESS ORGANIZED THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE CLOUD TOPS
WARMING AND BANDING FEATURES BECOMING LESS PRONOUNCED. DVORAK DATA
T-NUMBERS HAVE DECREASED SO THE INITIAL WIND SPEED IS REDUCED TO
50 KT. AS NADINE BEGINS TO GAIN SOME LATITUDE DURING THE NEXT
COUPLE OF DAYS...IT WILL BE MOVING INTO AN AREA OF INCREASING
WESTERLY SHEAR AND OVER DECREASING SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES. THIS
SHOULD CAUSE GRADUAL WEAKENING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. NADINE
IS FORECAST TO BECOME POST-TROPICAL IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND FINALLY
LOSE ITS IDENTITY AS IT IS ABSORBED BY A VERY LARGE EXTRATROPICAL
LOW OVER THE EAST-CENTRAL ATLANTIC IN 3 TO 4 DAYS.

THE STORM HAS TURNED EASTWARD WITH AN INITIAL MOTION OF 090/6 KT.
THE TRACK GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON NADINE TURNING
NORTHEASTWARD...THEN NORTHWARD DURING THE NEXT 2 TO 3 DAYS AS IT
IS STEERED AROUND A LARGE TROUGH/CUT-OFF LOW THAT WILL MOVE
SOUTHEASTWARD INTO THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
THE NEW TRACK FORECAST IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY AND
LIES BETWEEN THE GFS...ECMWF...AND THE FLORIDA STATE SUPERENSEMBLE.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 02/2100Z 34.4N 36.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 03/0600Z 34.9N 35.1W 45 KT 50 MPH
24H 03/1800Z 36.0N 32.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 04/0600Z 39.0N 29.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 04/1800Z 43.2N 26.8W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
72H 05/1800Z 48.0N 27.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 06/1800Z...ABSORBED BY A LARGER EXTRATROPICAL LOW

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BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM NADINE ADVISORY NUMBER 81
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL142012
500 PM AST TUE OCT 02 2012

...THREE-WEEK-OLD NADINE HEADING TOWARD THE AZORES ONCE AGAIN...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...34.4N 36.7W
ABOUT 595 MI...955 KM WSW OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...60 MPH...95 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...E OR 90 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...994 MB...29.35 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

NONE.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* THE AZORES

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36
HOURS.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM NADINE WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 34.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 36.7 WEST. NADINE IS
MOVING TOWARD THE EAST NEAR 7 MPH...11 KM/H...AND THIS GENERAL
MOTION SHOULD CONTINUE THROUGH TONIGHT. A TURN TOWARD THE NORTHEAST
WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED ON WEDNESDAY. ON THE
FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF NADINE SHOULD MOVE THROUGH THE AZORES
WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 60 MPH...95 KM/H...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. SLOW GRADUAL WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 90 MILES...150 KM
FROM THE CENTER.

THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 994 MB...29.35 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED IN THE AZORES BY
WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

RAINFALL...NADINE IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL
ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES OVER PORTIONS OF THE AZORES
THROUGH THURSDAY.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY...800 PM AST.
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...1100 PM AST.

$$
FORECASTER BROWN
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Quoting atl134:
So about these names... is it safe to predict that Nemo will be a fish storm?

He's going to touch the butt.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

This will put a whole new meaning into winter now. And that's when winter doesn't happen again or something like that.


Also will record data in the way the hurricane season does... I imagine that ACE values will be calculated, and considered... intensity forecasts and models can be optimized to forecast winter storms... Also correlation studies between a winter season and a hurricane season - if one affects the other can be observed...
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So about these names... is it safe to predict that Nemo will be a fish storm?
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Things are getting interesting in the Western Caribbean!,this upper level low by the Yucatan Peninsula might move a little bit North and go down to the surface,this is the area that we have to be aware this time of the year,I can see more convention this afternoon around this area.Just wondering which way all this moisture will go?,East to North East?.Today here in Miami we were expecting 70% rain change,very little rain today,don't know if this will change later tonight?.What everybody think about this Upper level low any developments from it??.
Don't waste your time on 96L thanks god is going to re-curve to sea and don't bother anybody.
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Lol. Winter storms getting names... my winter just got so much better!

This will put a whole new meaning into winter now. And that's when winter doesn't happen again or something like that.
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Lol. Winter storms getting names... my winter just got so much better!
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261. SLU
Quoting CaribBoy:


96L go to see your friends the FISHES and stop disturbing us. You're just so boring.


Who knows, maybe next year you might get a LUIS, a MARILYN, a HORTENSE, a GEORGES, a JOSE and a LENNY all in the same season to make up since this year is so unproductive.
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Quoting Bluestorm5:
Recurve


99KTS? COME ON....
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
18z Best Track for 96L.

AL, 96, 2012100218, , BEST, 0, 137N, 389W, 25, 1008, LO


96L go to see your friends the FISHES and stop disturbing us. You're just so boring.
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Quoting originalLT:
Post #235, I thought Popeye's rival for Olive Oyl was called, "Bluto"?
Have no idea what Neo will think of this site :-), :0), :p, but the name is funny and they have a reasonable answer to your question about that storm name, Brutus. The Straight Dope: Is Popeye's nemesis named Bluto or Brutus?.

I was thinking Brutus was the original name of Popeye's foe but (no surprise) had it backward.
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I think the Invest 96L could became a tropical depression in 4th October. I see the upper level circulation of the disturbance in animations.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



The forecast for our area around Tampa Bay sure has been implying that we should be seeing a lot of rain and will be. However since yesterday shower and thunderstorm coverage has been only about 30% to 40% at best. We are expected to have quite a rain even the next several days but so far it has been quite lame. It looks mainly to be focused over South Florida so far. That might change as the upper low in the Caribbean lifts into the eastern gulf. However, we already have very high atmospheric moisture and enough atmospheric triggers to support widespread rainfall off the gulf but for some reason it never materialized today.

With that said I don't think the event can be dismissed yet because the upper low itself is yet to influence the area. The lack of rainfall may be due to rather warm mid level temps which are suppressing showers and thunderstorms more that expected. The atmosphere even visually looks like it has that mid level capped appearance.



However upper divergence from the upper low should help to counteract the warm mid level air as it lifts northeast. How much is remains to be seen. I hope so, because we can always use more rain.


Thanks Jedkins! Our forcast in SW Florida is for 60% chance of thunderstorms today and tomorrow. I think alot of it is coming off our normal afternoon seabreezes. But we are getting a SW flow from carribean and that is pushing in alot of moisture
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Quoting evilpenguinshan:
If you followed Drudge, you would know what he's getting at. They are one of the least reputable news sources, despite their large following, and are as bad or worse than Fox News (after all, who do you think feeds the Murdoch rags their gossip?)

All I have to say is get ready for tomorrow, the Drudge trolls will be all over this forum after the 24-hr registration period allows them to start trolling the comments.



Yeah, just like Dan Rather and CBS news....They all screw up once in a while, however, that does not mean everything they do or say is inaccurate. It amazes me that people are can be so holier-than-thou about something without ever even reading it. If you read it consistently, you would see that most of its aggregated news is indeed, accurate and truthful. When it links to "commentary", that's your cue that hey, this is just someone's opinion which as we know are like, well you know, and everybody has one. I watch MSNBC sometimes just to learn what someone else is saying, thinking. Do I think some of their stuff is outrageous, sure, but not everything. If you isolate yourself so much so that you are not even able to see the forest for the trees, we are in trouble as a society. Yes, we are definitely in trouble at this point.

P.S. I guess that makes me a troll. No, they will not be here tomorrow as the story will most likely not even be linked. At least give one of them (me) some credit as I have been a follower of this blog for many years and finally signed up in 2009. I love what I learn here but it is a blog and isn't the whole point of that to have civil discussion, even if someone does not agree with you?
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Recurve
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"Drudge first received national attention in 1996 when he broke the news that Jack Kemp would be Republican Bob Dole's running mate in the 1996 presidential election. In 1998, Drudge gained popularity when he was the first outlet to break the news that later became the Monica Lewinsky scandal."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Drudge

Lottsa rain here today but filming for Revolution proceeding without delays (slowing traffic on our little road though). Gonna be awesome to see our little place post Apocalypse!
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