Earth's attic is on fire: Arctic sea ice bottoms out at a new record low

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:46 PM GMT on September 20, 2012

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The extraordinary decline in Arctic sea ice during 2012 is finally over. Sea ice extent bottomed out on September 16, announced scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) on Wednesday. The sea ice extent fell to 3.41 million square kilometers, breaking the previous all-time low set in 2007 by 18%--despite the fact that this year's weather was cloudier and cooler than in 2007. Nearly half (49%) of the icecap was gone during this year's minimum, compared to the average minimum for the years 1979 - 2000. This is an area approximately 43% of the size of the Contiguous United States. And, for the fifth consecutive year--and fifth time in recorded history--ice-free navigation was possible in the Arctic along the coast of Canada (the Northwest Passage), and along the coast of Russia (the Northeast Passage or Northern Sea Route.) "We are now in uncharted territory," said NSIDC Director Mark Serreze. "While we've long known that as the planet warms up, changes would be seen first and be most pronounced in the Arctic, few of us were prepared for how rapidly the changes would actually occur. While lots of people talk about opening of the Northwest Passage through the Canadian Arctic islands and the Northern Sea Route along the Russian coast, twenty years from now from now in August you might be able to take a ship right across the Arctic Ocean."


Figure 1. Arctic sea ice reached its minimum on September 16, 2012, and was at its lowest extent since satellite records began in 1979. Image credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).

When was the last time the Arctic was this ice-free?
We can be confident that the Arctic did not see the kind of melting observed in 2012 going back over a century, as we have detailed ice edge records from ships (Walsh and Chapman, 2001). It is very unlikely the Northwest Passage was open between 1497 and 1900, since this spanned a cold period in the northern latitudes known as "The Little Ice Age". Ships periodically attempted the Passage and were foiled during this period. Research by Kinnard et al. (2011) shows that the Arctic ice melt in the past few decades is unprecedented for at least the past 1,450 years. We may have to go back to at least 4,000 B.C. to find the last time so little summer ice was present in the Arctic. Funder and Kjaer (2007) found extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coast, which suggested the Arctic Ocean was ice-free in the summer for over 1,000 years between 6,000 - 8,500 years ago, when Earth's orbital variations brought more sunlight to the Arctic in summer than at present. Prior to that, the next likely time was during the last inter-glacial period, 120,000 years ago. Arctic temperatures then were 2 - 3°C higher than present-day temperatures, and sea levels were 4 - 6 meters higher.


Figure 2. Year-averaged and 3-month averaged Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent from Chapman and Walsh (2001), as updated by the University of Illinois Cryosphere Today. I've updated their graph to include 2011 plus the first 9 months of 2012.


Figure 3. Late summer Arctic sea ice extent over the past 1,450 years reconstructed from proxy data by Kinnard et al.'s 2011 paper, Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years. The solid pink line is a smoothed 40-year average, and the light pink areas shows a 95% confidence interval.  Note that the modern observational data in this figure extend through 2008, though the extent is not as low as the current annual data due to the 40-year smoothing. More commentary on this graph is available at skepticalscience.com.

When will the Arctic be ice-free in summer?
So, when will Santa's Workshop need to be retrofitted with pontoons to avoid sinking to the bottom of the Arctic Ocean in summer? It's hard to say, since there is a large amount of natural variability in Arctic weather patterns. Day et al. (2012) found that 5 to 31% of the changes in Arctic sea ice could be due to natural causes. However, the sea ice at the summer minimum has been declining at a rate of 12% per decade, far in excess of the worst-case scenario predicted in the 2007 IPCC report. Forecasts of an ice-free Arctic range from 20 - 30 years from now to much sooner. Just this week, Dr. Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University predicted that the Arctic will be ice-free in summer within four years. A study by Stroeve et al. (2012), using the updated models being run for the 2014 IPCC report, found that "a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean within the next few decades is a distinct possibility." Of the 21 models considered, 2022 was the earliest date that complete Arctic sea ice occurred in September.


Video 1. A powerful storm wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover in August 2012. This visualization shows the strength and direction of the winds and their impact on the ice: the red vectors represent the fastest winds, while blue vectors stand for slower winds. According to NSIDC, the storm sped up the loss of the thin ice that appears to have been already on the verge of melting completely.Video credit: NASA.

But Antarctic sea ice is growing!
It's a sure thing that when Arctic sea ice hits new record lows, global warming contrarians will attempt to draw attention away from the Arctic by talking about sea ice around Antarctica. A case in point is an article that appeared in Forbes on Wednesday by James Taylor. Mr. Taylor wrote, "Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year)...Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low. Sea ice around one pole is shrinking while sea ice around another pole is growing. This sure sounds like a global warming crisis to me."

This analysis is highly misleading, as it ignores the fact that Antarctica has actually been warming in recent years. In fact, the oceans surrounding Antarctica have warmed faster than the global trend, and there has been accelerated melting of ocean-terminating Antarctic glaciers in recent years as a result of warmer waters eating away the glaciers. There is great concern among scientists about the stability of two glaciers in West Antarctica (the Pine Island and Thwaites Glaciers) due the increase in ocean temperatures. These glaciers may suffer rapid retreats that will contribute significantly to global sea level rise.

Despite the warming going on in Antarctica, there has been a modest long-term increase in Antarctic sea ice in recent decades. So, how can more sea ice form on warmer ocean waters? As explained in an excellent article at skepticalscience.com, the reasons are complex. One reason is that the Southern Ocean consists of a layer of cold water near the surface and a layer of warmer water below. Water from the warmer layer rises up to the surface, melting sea ice. However, as air temperatures warm, the amount of rain and snowfall also increases. This freshens the surface waters, leading to a surface layer less dense than the saltier, warmer water below. The layers become more stratified and mix less. Less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted (Zhang 2007). As the planet continues to warm, climate models predict that the growth in Antarctic sea ice will reverse, as the waters become too warm to support so much sea ice.


Figure 4. Surface air temperature over the ice-covered areas of the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica (top), and sea ice extent, observed by satellite (bottom). Image credit: (Zhang 2007).

Commentary: Earth's attic is on fire
To me, seeing the record Arctic sea ice loss of 2012 is like discovering a growing fire burning in Earth's attic. It is an emergency that requires immediate urgent attention. If you remove an area of sea ice 43% the size of the Contiguous U.S. from the ocean, it is guaranteed to have a significant impact on weather and climate. The extra heat and moisture added to the atmosphere as a result of all that open water over the pole may already be altering jet stream patterns in fall and winter, bringing an increase in extreme weather events. This year's record sea ice loss also contributed to an unprecedented melting event in Greenland. Continued sea ice loss will further increase melting from Greenland, contributing to sea level rise and storm surge damages. Global warming doubters tell us to pay attention to Earth's basement--the Antarctic--pointing out (incorrectly) that there is no fire burning there. But shouldn't we be paying attention to the steadily growing fire in our attic? The house all of humanity lives on is on fire. The fire is certain to spread, since we've ignored it for too long. It is capable of becoming a raging fire that will burn down our house, crippling civilization, unless we take swift and urgent action to combat it.

References
Funder, S. and K.H. Kjaer, 2007, "A sea-ice free Arctic Ocean?", Geophys. Res. Abstr. 9 (2007), p. 07815.

Kinnard et al., 2011, "Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years".

Walsh, J.E and W.L.Chapman, 2001, "Twentieth-century sea ice variations from observational data", Annals of Glaciology, 33, Number 1, January 2001, pp. 444-448.

Related info
Half of the polar ice cap is missing: Arctic sea ice hits a new record low. September 6, 2012 blog post
Wunderground's Sea Ice page

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I think there is a real difference between "mouth" Christians and "life" Christians. If you know enough about the Bible, you'll know the "mouth" Christians don't get very far with God in the end, no matter how much noise they make in our communities here on earth.

Unfortunately, "mouth" Christians only talk about the parts of the Bible that support their views. The parts where humans are instructed to husband the earth, care for our brethren, help the poor and love instead of hate are not sufficiently titillating for most.

BTW, it is also unfortunately true that Christianity is not the only world religion where this kind of behaviour is displayed.... :(
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1107. bappit
Quoting guygee:
I do not think it is the "tragedy of the commons" so much as desertification and overpopulation. Desertification has destroyed many civilizations, and it took a good bite out of the U.S. during the dust bowl years. Desertification has its own positive feedbacks that promote persistence including low soil moisture and loss of soil.

I have never seen any good statistics on how many people died of dust pneumonia, during the Great Depression, for example. I have only seen anecdotes, like farms buried in dunes. The government undertook a massive program to plant trees, groundcover, and to educate farmers in soil conservation. Still we are not immune to what you show in Haiti.

The tragedy of the commons is a term from economics. As it was introduced to me, it can play out in many circumstances. It can happen whenever people acting out of self-interest destroy some commonly available resource by over use. Garrett Hardin originated the term in 1968 with reference to common areas used for grazing. It has been seen with the depletion of fish stocks, like cod, in the Atlantic, deforestation in Haiti and pollution of the atmosphere with excess CO2 [edit] to name a few.

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Quoting Cat5hit:


Thanks. Looking into it now.

You're welcome, for me it works really well.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Interesting fact.For the past 4 years in a row the "I" and "O" storms have been hurricanes.

That trend could continue since 94L shouldn't develop giving the name Oscar to develop in more favorable areas.
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Quoting Cat5hit:


What app is that?

Radarscope, Link, it is actually a good app. It has a cost,($9.99) on ios, but there are a lot of functions. I have it and it is pretty handy.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Oscar is just waiting for the right conditions to become a major hurricane. That's always been my feeling the "I" and "O" storms you have to watch out for.
Interesting fact.For the past 3-4 years in a row the "I" and "O" storms have been hurricanes.If Oscar becomes a hurricane the trend will continue.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
There may be a "fire in the attic" but the "basement" is frozen solid.
Not sure if this image makes me feel any better about anything, since all that water frozen in the basement is of no use in helping me put out the attic fire...
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Quoting Cat5hit:


What app is that?
I don't know, it's from my local mets phone, Bobby Deskins from WTSP Channel 10 News.
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I was told that the storm was pretty intense around Indianapolis. My family's friend got hail and high winds but luckily he and his family are ok.
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Quoting Slamguitar:


Yay!! Something newly classified for all of us to track!! *golf clap*

Hopefully it strengthens into a nice hurricane and then goes out to sea without affecting land. Will that happen, maybe maybe not.
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Look at the outflow boundary being put out by these storms crossing the bay.

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Quoting guygee:
It is a horrible thing to think about. Just for example, I knew from the start the Iraqi war was unjustified...actually a war crime of the sort for which we hung the Nazis. But I paid my taxes so I am just as guilty, a "good german" as it were. Same with the climate. I am trying to cut my ties to the material world, to cut back on my consumption, but I am addicted and it is a slow process. The people around me think I am crazy when I tell them we should try to live more like third-worlders. Well, it will be forced upon us eventually, better to get some experience at surviving.

I am off for the night, thank you for the discussion.


Thanks back atcha. I seldom get to ramble about that stuff, so that's sort of fun, and I always appreciate discussion on all of this that assumes that hard stuff can still be true, and that grapples with it.

For the rest -- we do what we can, nobody can change the whole world on their own, and there are a lot of unpleasant contradictions and realities in the world that muddy all ethics.

I just wish we had more time than it's looking like we have. Because we're really, really right on the edge of some bad, from everything I look at in data, and it's a lot faster than we thought -- I'm now wondering what my old age will look like, and while I don't have kids, I am personally overwhelmed with the feeling that all of the kids I know are really going to inherit a catastrophe they don't deserve and didn't build, if we don't get on it really soon.
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Figure 12 - Arctic sea ice has receded dramatically faster than the mean of IPCC models projected, reaching levels not expected until 2065. Positive feedback loops such as those that have accelerated sea ice loss might accelerate the loss of permafrost and the release of additional CO2 and methane from the Arctic.

I bring up this case of climate change happening far faster than we expected here, at the end of this article, to convey a key point. The future is uncertain. Changes in climate can at times move far more slowly than we expect. They can also move far more rapidly. The most important thing for us to understand is that we don't know, for certain, what changes will come. We only know the range of possibilities. And at one end of that range, things may not be so terrible. At the other end of the range we have deep reason for concern.

"Hope for the best," goes the English proverb, "but prepare for the worst."


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/20 12/09/21/arctic-sea-ice-what-why-and-what-next/
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Quoting wxchaser97:
We got a new Eastern Pacific TD per ATCF, 93E has been renumbered. This TD could affect the Baja of California and the TD is pretty large.




Yay!! Something newly classified for all of us to track!! *golf clap*
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We got a new Eastern Pacific TD per ATCF, 93E has been renumbered. This TD could affect the Baja of California and the TD is pretty large.


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Quoting Slamguitar:


Please keep religion out of this blog. I'm as atheistic as the next guy, but disrespect of other members and their religions is NOT tolerated here.


In general, I do agree, am also an atheist (though I respect people's faiths so long as they are respectful of my lack thereof) and will let my last comment stand but think religious arguments of any kind really, really aren't ever going anywhere good. They just don't.
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I didn't interject religion into this blog. I have had it with the people that constantly claim man has no power to effect things on earth, it is all in God's hands, or maybe you haven't read this blog to long. And I am most certainly not criticizing anyone's religion, all though you do seem to have the sensitivity of those that have been upset lately.
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Quoting gordydunnot:
What is sad to me is most of these Bible thumpers are selective readers of that book also. Does it not say God gave man dominion over the earth and all creatures upon it. It's ours to destroy if we want to, please don't call it's God's will, anymore than man was made to perpetually sin. So if I cheat on my wife, all I have to do is ask forgiveness. A good tree can not bear bad fruit.Think before you do, especially if you say you know better.


I am not Christian, but I have read the Bible several times for various reasons, and do think that the Bible holds many, many passages that are meant to bring out the best in humanity -- shared responsibility for the well-being of others, kindness toward other people and living things, and real action toward alleviating suffering -- I really wish that folks who _do_ believe really more often focused on those parts than many seem to.

Kudos to you for noting those pieces of it that call on people to be responsible for something larger than ourselves, including the overall health of the whole Earth we live on.

I suspect an awful lot of people just read the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament and skip right to Revelation. :P
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1085. NOWCAST
Its fact that it has happened before. Its happening now, example Japan's 2011 earthquake & tsunami moved its coast 8 feet, not to mention shortened earths day.
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Tropical Depression Thirteen-E has formed.

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Meanwhile, the pressure has began rising with 94L.

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What's with the double posts when editing? Just trying to fix grammar...
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Quoting gordydunnot:
What is sad to me is most of these Bible thumpers are selective readers of that book also. Does it not say God gave man dominion over the earth and all creatures upon it. It's ours to destroy if we want to, please don't call it's God's will, anymore than man was made to perpetually sin. So if I cheat on my wife, all I have to do is ask forgiveness. A good tree can not bear bad fruit.Think before you do, especially if you say you know better.


Please keep religion out of this blog. I'm as atheistic as the next guy, but disrespect of other members and their religions is NOT tolerated here.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Oscar is just waiting for the right conditions to become a major hurricane. That's always been my feeling the "I" and "O" storms you have to watch out for.
yeah u right about the O storms opal 1995, omar 2008, ophelia 2005,otto 2010 olga 2001 all were hurricanes
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Quoting gordydunnot:
What is sad to me is most of these Bible thumpers are selective readers of that book also. Does it not say God gave man dominion over the earth and all creatures upon it. It's ours to destroy if we want to, please don't call it's God's will, anymore than man was made to perpetually sin. So if I cheat on my wife, all I have to do is ask forgiveness. A good tree can not bear bad fruit.Think before you do, especially if you say you know better.


If you are just counting on "asking for forgiveness" its not true repentance and so you dont get forgiveness anyway.

But what does this conversation have to do with a weather blog?
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Quoting NOWCAST:
I believe in this more than I believe in man made global warming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis
Redistribution of earth mass... in the past poles have shifted 55° a couple of times.
You're certainly within your rights to do so. But may I ask why why you (or anyone, for that matter) would adhere to a bit of pseudo-science not supported by a single credible bit of evidence or theory, while simultaneously rejecting something that's supported by vast mountains of evidence gathered and researched verified by numerous people working for years across many scientific disciplines?

Just curious, that's all...
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1078. guygee
Quoting LurkyMcLurkerson:
[...]
That's sort of salient to where we're at here with climate, I'd say. I can do everything right, and I'm still going to pay for the actions of the rest of the people around me, along with the rest of humankind and a whole lot of other living things, unless we view this in terms of longer sustainability regardless of what's best for the interests of individual actors.
I can see why it's such a horrible thing to think about for so many people, because it requires a sort of collective responsibility to the whole of humanity regardless of the impacts on individual gains. But, you know, think of the children. :P
It is a horrible thing to think about. Just for example, I knew from the start the Iraqi war was unjustified...actually a war crime of the sort for which we hung the Nazis. But I paid my taxes so I am just as guilty, a "good german" as it were. Same with the climate. I am trying to cut my ties to the material world, to cut back on my consumption, but I am addicted and it is a slow process. The people around me think I am crazy when I tell them we should try to live more like third-worlders. Well, it will be forced upon us eventually, better to get some experience at surviving.

I am off for the night, thank you for the discussion.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
94L is done for :).

Yeah pretty much, Oscar might now be a powerful hurricane.

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Jelawat looks very nice.


Yes Jelawat does look good, should be a typhoon soon.
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1076. NOWCAST
I believe in this more than I believe in man made global warming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis
Redistribution of earth mass... in the past poles have shifted 55° a couple of times.
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What is sad to me is most of these Bible thumpers are selective readers of that book also. Does it not say God gave man dominion over the earth and all creatures upon it. It's ours to destroy if we want to, please don't call it's God's will, anymore than man was made to perpetually sin. So if I cheat on my wife, all I have to do is ask forgiveness. A good tree can not bear bad fruit.Think before you do, especially if you say you know better.
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Jelawat looks very nice.

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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


If something gets favorable upper enviroment conditions in the Western Caribbean,it can bomb with this very high TCHP.

Earlier in the season I said, it would be ironic if we picked up where we left off and we get a Wilma like storm over there. Not that I want that to happen, but suggesting just the irony if it were to happen, especially considering Wilma was the last major hurricane to hit the US.
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Quoting wxchaser97:
94L is down to 20% chance.

THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE CHANGE WITH A NON-TROPICAL LOW PRESSURE AREA
LOCATED ABOUT 350 MILES EAST-NORTHEAST OF BERMUDA. SOME DEVELOPMENT
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94L is done for :).
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1071. LargoFl
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I suppose that where my rambles intersect with climate, etc. is in the place where the ideas behind the commons are the foundation of all of those pesky regulations people get worked up about. Maximizing longer term sustainability for the public good, over time, wound up _by necessity_ involving regulation of people's individual behavior even on privately held land, because the effects didn't stay private, the impacts hit far beyond.

That's sort of salient to where we're at here with climate, I'd say. I can do everything right, and I'm still going to pay for the actions of the rest of the people around me, along with the rest of humankind and a whole lot of other living things, unless we view this in terms of longer sustainability regardless of what's best for the interests of individual actors.

I can see why it's such a horrible thing to think about for so many people, because it requires a sort of collective responsibility to the whole of humanity regardless of the impacts on individual gains. But, you know, think of the children. :P
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1069. LargoFl
GFS at 72 hours.............
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Quoting wxchaser97:

94L Probably won't be Oscar, have to wait for possible cold front or Caribbean development.
Oscar is just waiting for the right conditions to become a major hurricane. That's always been my feeling the "I" and "O" storms you have to watch out for.
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


If something gets favorable upper enviroment conditions in the Western Caribbean,it can bomb with this very high TCHP.


Rina part 2, hopefully something doesn't wander/form in the Caribbean.
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1066. LargoFl
Parts of Florida are getting hammered tonight.....
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1065. guygee
Quoting LurkyMcLurkerson:

[...]The longer term health of the soil increasingly became viewed via the Soil Service as a sort of public good even when the space was privately owned -- resources overall, including soil resources, started to be viewed within a framework of sustainable use around the ideas involved in preserving the commons
[...]
Thank very much for that post Lurky, that explains a lot about history and conservation strategy that I did not know about.

I left that one part of your quote to highlight it. I am a strong advocate of property rights, but with those rights come great responsibilities. People who own land must also be caretakers of the land, because life is short and the land will be needed by many future generations. It seems that your work is noble in working towards this goal, that must be very fulfilling in its way.

The path we are on today is clearly not sustainable, not even for a little while longer. The high level of denial is getting very hard to maintain. Energy-intensive agriculture is going to have to give way to another system. Modern warfare is even more energy intensive. Even all the cold-war type preening and strutting we do sucks down huge amounts of energy. The people will be last in line as usual.
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Quoting Slamguitar:
Looks like Oscar won't be used on 94L. I know many were wanting to get that name out of the way.

94L Probably won't be Oscar, have to wait for possible cold front or Caribbean development.
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1063. LargoFl
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1062. LargoFl
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23 years ago today we had a strong hurricane headed towards the US, luckily that isn't happening right now.


Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Always a good thing when we don't have a monster hurricane off our coast.

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Looks like Oscar won't be used on 94L. I know many were wanting to get that name out of the way.
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1059. LargoFl
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Always a good thing when we don't have a monster hurricane off our coast.

Hugo:



Long Island Express:

600 people died in that long island express storm
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