Earth's attic is on fire: Arctic sea ice bottoms out at a new record low

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:46 PM GMT on September 20, 2012

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The extraordinary decline in Arctic sea ice during 2012 is finally over. Sea ice extent bottomed out on September 16, announced scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) on Wednesday. The sea ice extent fell to 3.41 million square kilometers, breaking the previous all-time low set in 2007 by 18%--despite the fact that this year's weather was cloudier and cooler than in 2007. Nearly half (49%) of the icecap was gone during this year's minimum, compared to the average minimum for the years 1979 - 2000. This is an area approximately 43% of the size of the Contiguous United States. And, for the fifth consecutive year--and fifth time in recorded history--ice-free navigation was possible in the Arctic along the coast of Canada (the Northwest Passage), and along the coast of Russia (the Northeast Passage or Northern Sea Route.) "We are now in uncharted territory," said NSIDC Director Mark Serreze. "While we've long known that as the planet warms up, changes would be seen first and be most pronounced in the Arctic, few of us were prepared for how rapidly the changes would actually occur. While lots of people talk about opening of the Northwest Passage through the Canadian Arctic islands and the Northern Sea Route along the Russian coast, twenty years from now from now in August you might be able to take a ship right across the Arctic Ocean."


Figure 1. Arctic sea ice reached its minimum on September 16, 2012, and was at its lowest extent since satellite records began in 1979. Image credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).

When was the last time the Arctic was this ice-free?
We can be confident that the Arctic did not see the kind of melting observed in 2012 going back over a century, as we have detailed ice edge records from ships (Walsh and Chapman, 2001). It is very unlikely the Northwest Passage was open between 1497 and 1900, since this spanned a cold period in the northern latitudes known as "The Little Ice Age". Ships periodically attempted the Passage and were foiled during this period. Research by Kinnard et al. (2011) shows that the Arctic ice melt in the past few decades is unprecedented for at least the past 1,450 years. We may have to go back to at least 4,000 B.C. to find the last time so little summer ice was present in the Arctic. Funder and Kjaer (2007) found extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coast, which suggested the Arctic Ocean was ice-free in the summer for over 1,000 years between 6,000 - 8,500 years ago, when Earth's orbital variations brought more sunlight to the Arctic in summer than at present. Prior to that, the next likely time was during the last inter-glacial period, 120,000 years ago. Arctic temperatures then were 2 - 3°C higher than present-day temperatures, and sea levels were 4 - 6 meters higher.


Figure 2. Year-averaged and 3-month averaged Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent from Chapman and Walsh (2001), as updated by the University of Illinois Cryosphere Today. I've updated their graph to include 2011 plus the first 9 months of 2012.


Figure 3. Late summer Arctic sea ice extent over the past 1,450 years reconstructed from proxy data by Kinnard et al.'s 2011 paper, Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years. The solid pink line is a smoothed 40-year average, and the light pink areas shows a 95% confidence interval.  Note that the modern observational data in this figure extend through 2008, though the extent is not as low as the current annual data due to the 40-year smoothing. More commentary on this graph is available at skepticalscience.com.

When will the Arctic be ice-free in summer?
So, when will Santa's Workshop need to be retrofitted with pontoons to avoid sinking to the bottom of the Arctic Ocean in summer? It's hard to say, since there is a large amount of natural variability in Arctic weather patterns. Day et al. (2012) found that 5 to 31% of the changes in Arctic sea ice could be due to natural causes. However, the sea ice at the summer minimum has been declining at a rate of 12% per decade, far in excess of the worst-case scenario predicted in the 2007 IPCC report. Forecasts of an ice-free Arctic range from 20 - 30 years from now to much sooner. Just this week, Dr. Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University predicted that the Arctic will be ice-free in summer within four years. A study by Stroeve et al. (2012), using the updated models being run for the 2014 IPCC report, found that "a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean within the next few decades is a distinct possibility." Of the 21 models considered, 2022 was the earliest date that complete Arctic sea ice occurred in September.


Video 1. A powerful storm wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover in August 2012. This visualization shows the strength and direction of the winds and their impact on the ice: the red vectors represent the fastest winds, while blue vectors stand for slower winds. According to NSIDC, the storm sped up the loss of the thin ice that appears to have been already on the verge of melting completely.Video credit: NASA.

But Antarctic sea ice is growing!
It's a sure thing that when Arctic sea ice hits new record lows, global warming contrarians will attempt to draw attention away from the Arctic by talking about sea ice around Antarctica. A case in point is an article that appeared in Forbes on Wednesday by James Taylor. Mr. Taylor wrote, "Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year)...Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low. Sea ice around one pole is shrinking while sea ice around another pole is growing. This sure sounds like a global warming crisis to me."

This analysis is highly misleading, as it ignores the fact that Antarctica has actually been warming in recent years. In fact, the oceans surrounding Antarctica have warmed faster than the global trend, and there has been accelerated melting of ocean-terminating Antarctic glaciers in recent years as a result of warmer waters eating away the glaciers. There is great concern among scientists about the stability of two glaciers in West Antarctica (the Pine Island and Thwaites Glaciers) due the increase in ocean temperatures. These glaciers may suffer rapid retreats that will contribute significantly to global sea level rise.

Despite the warming going on in Antarctica, there has been a modest long-term increase in Antarctic sea ice in recent decades. So, how can more sea ice form on warmer ocean waters? As explained in an excellent article at skepticalscience.com, the reasons are complex. One reason is that the Southern Ocean consists of a layer of cold water near the surface and a layer of warmer water below. Water from the warmer layer rises up to the surface, melting sea ice. However, as air temperatures warm, the amount of rain and snowfall also increases. This freshens the surface waters, leading to a surface layer less dense than the saltier, warmer water below. The layers become more stratified and mix less. Less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted (Zhang 2007). As the planet continues to warm, climate models predict that the growth in Antarctic sea ice will reverse, as the waters become too warm to support so much sea ice.


Figure 4. Surface air temperature over the ice-covered areas of the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica (top), and sea ice extent, observed by satellite (bottom). Image credit: (Zhang 2007).

Commentary: Earth's attic is on fire
To me, seeing the record Arctic sea ice loss of 2012 is like discovering a growing fire burning in Earth's attic. It is an emergency that requires immediate urgent attention. If you remove an area of sea ice 43% the size of the Contiguous U.S. from the ocean, it is guaranteed to have a significant impact on weather and climate. The extra heat and moisture added to the atmosphere as a result of all that open water over the pole may already be altering jet stream patterns in fall and winter, bringing an increase in extreme weather events. This year's record sea ice loss also contributed to an unprecedented melting event in Greenland. Continued sea ice loss will further increase melting from Greenland, contributing to sea level rise and storm surge damages. Global warming doubters tell us to pay attention to Earth's basement--the Antarctic--pointing out (incorrectly) that there is no fire burning there. But shouldn't we be paying attention to the steadily growing fire in our attic? The house all of humanity lives on is on fire. The fire is certain to spread, since we've ignored it for too long. It is capable of becoming a raging fire that will burn down our house, crippling civilization, unless we take swift and urgent action to combat it.

References
Funder, S. and K.H. Kjaer, 2007, "A sea-ice free Arctic Ocean?", Geophys. Res. Abstr. 9 (2007), p. 07815.

Kinnard et al., 2011, "Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years".

Walsh, J.E and W.L.Chapman, 2001, "Twentieth-century sea ice variations from observational data", Annals of Glaciology, 33, Number 1, January 2001, pp. 444-448.

Related info
Half of the polar ice cap is missing: Arctic sea ice hits a new record low. September 6, 2012 blog post
Wunderground's Sea Ice page

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Quoting Cat5hit:
Probably the wrong time to post this for a good response, but here goes.

Any truth to this article?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/ project_syndicate/2012/09/thanks_to_fracking_u_s_c arbon_emissions_are_at_the_lowest_levels_in_20_yea rs_.html

In a nutshell it says the US carbon emission are the lowest in years due to natural gas and fracking. It says emissions are the lowest PER CAPITA since 1961. (Granted there are more people now, so the overall emissions are higher).

I don't have an opinion either way - especially since the claims seem almost unbelievable.
The figures are correct: thanks primarily to cheaper natural gas (due to fracking and other extraction methods), U.S. CO2 emissions are at a 20-year low. But before anyone breaks out the bubbly just yet, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. A) While CO2 emissions are down, methane leaks from gas wells can more than make up the difference, as methane is 20 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than is CO2. 2) Much of the coal that's being mined in the U.S. but not being burned by U.S. power plants is being shipped overseas in massive quantities, primarily to China. So, yes, our emissions are down, but China's are skyrocketing. 3) The U.S. still has the highest per-capita CO2 emissions of any large industrialized nation.
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

Michael and Kirk were beautiful storms this year, and they went out to sea, but I get what youre talking about... Im gonna out on a limb and say that because of Low shear and abnormally hot MDR waters that we'll have more hurricanes and Majors, and get a Category 5 as well.
The akward thing about it, is that we havent seen a Category 5 since 2007... Next seasons' naming list is 2007's


Andrea
Barry
Chantal
Dorian
Erin
Fernand
Gabrielle
Humberto
Ingrid
Jerry
Karen
Lorenzo
Michelle
Nestor
Olga,
and I cant remember the rest, because ive never seen them go past Olga with this naming list. sooo. :)


Here is the complete list, all I will say is another above average season.
Andrea
Barry
Chantal
Dorian
Erin
Fernand
Gabrielle
Humberto
Ingrid
Jerry
Karen
Lorenzo
Melissa
Nestor
Olga
Pablo
Rebekah
Sebastien
Tanya
Van
Wendy
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Quoting wxchaser97:

Already predicting storm count for next year, no no no no no it is too early for.

Hey! The tropics are completely murdered right now, and it doesnt appear that were gonna get much activity from here to December. Just a fact of life, Im over it. :)
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Quoting wxchaser97:

Ewww dry air, I wouldn't mind strong hurricanes as long as they go out to see unlike this year.

Michael and Kirk were beautiful storms this year, and they went out to sea, but I get what youre talking about... Im gonna out on a limb and say that because of Low shear and abnormally hot MDR waters that we'll have more hurricanes and Majors, and get a Category 5 as well.
The akward thing about it, is that we havent seen a Category 5 since 2007... Next seasons' naming list is 2007's


Andrea
Barry
Chantal
Dorian
Erin
Fernand
Gabrielle
Humberto
Ingrid
Jerry
Karen
Lorenzo
Michelle
Nestor
Olga,
and I cant remember the rest, because ive never seen them go past Olga with this naming list. sooo. :)
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

What they Hey, I'm gonna be an ancy pants.

2012-
16 Named Storms
9 Hurricanes
3 Major Hurricanes

2013-
13-19 NS
7-10 HUR
3-5 MHUR

Already predicting storm count for next year, no no no no no it is too early for imo.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

Hmmmm, could play a role into how winter pans out.


All I read was not too good of a situation 1 way or another. That warm SST's will be the fuel, if shear is low we could be talking about another very active season.

What they Hey, I'm gonna be an ancy pants.

2012-
16 Named Storms
9 Hurricanes
3 Major Hurricanes

2013-
13-19 NS
7-10 HUR
3-5 MHUR
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

Shear WILL be low if we have a Weak La Nina comeback before the season starts, the only major problem will be Dry air, as usual.

Ewww dry air, I wouldn't mind strong hurricanes as long as they go out to see unlike this year.
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

NHC might mention it as it approaches the leewards, like they did with 92L.


They will no doubt want to see something more than is out there right now as the feature is quite small but it has a lot of time to work with before reaching the Islands.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
As I said earlier: when you can't attack the science, attack the scientists--and those who support them. Be sure to let us know how that works for you...


Nobody is attacking the scientists. The scientists are innocent victims who are being used to line the pockets of some very greedy outsiders. I call those outsiders, the AGW Gang.

Again I am reminded of that quote from a special movie...'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.'

That is what the AGW gang wants everybody to do.

The issue is with the people behind the curtain who stand to make trillions off of those scientists by cramming their separate , one sided, greedy solutions down the throats of the citizens of world.

Here we are, on the threshold of a dream, with science and technology growing leaps and bounds, and the greedy 'sneaky petes' on the sidelines, are drooling at how they are going to capitalize on the work of honest scientists who are doing their very best to interpret what they are see, thanks to the new equipment at their fingertips.

Perhaps the scientists need to stand up and urge everyone to step back and lighten up just a wee bit. While the instrumentation is providing them with excellent data, the interpretation of that data is still not set in stone. Especially when the solutions based on those interpretations have yet to be proven correct.

Except, of course, for those who have bumper stickers proclaiming
"The AGW gang says it, I believe them, and that is all there is to it.".

Like the one on your bumper, I am sure.


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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The NAO has been negative all this season.

I reread my comment a minute ago, and edited it.


I have some news for you guys, Check my Blog if you want to know, I announced it on the blog last night.
I dont feel like posting a link, So just click my username.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

Hmmmm, could play a role into how winter pans out.


All I read was not too good of a situation 1 way or another. That warm SST's will be the fuel, if shear is low we could be talking about another very active season.

Shear WILL be low if we have a Weak La Nina comeback before the season starts, the only major problem will be Dry air, as usual.
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Goodbye Summer, Hello Fall!!:)
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Quoting kmanislander:
A closer look at the wave


NHC might mention it as it approaches the leewards, like they did with 92L.
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

El Nino still getting fought off. I don't know if we'll even get to an El Nino Phase. Once January hits, were forecasted to reverse the cycle again and head back for a neutral/Weak La Nina.

Hmmmm, could play a role into how winter pans out.

Quoting HurricaneDean07:

+1.

2013 could easily match 2010 if The NAO switches to Positive, or it could easily pump up the MDR and be a huge CV season with many long trackers and caribbean runners that make landfall, if the NAO becomes negative.

All I read was not too good of a situation 1 way or another. That warm SST's will be the fuel, if shear is low we could be talking about another very active season.
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Quoting HurricaneDean07:

+1.

2013 could easily match 2010 if The NAO switches to Positive, or it could easily pump up the MDR and be a huge CV season with many long trackers and caribbean runners that make landfall, if the NAO becomes negative.

The NAO has been negative all this season.
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A closer look at the wave

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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Here is that wave.

TROPICAL WAVE IN THE CENTRAL TROPICAL ATLANTIC EXTENDS FROM
18N42W TO 11N46W MOVING W 15-20 KT. WAVE IS ALONG THE TRAILING
EDGE OF A SURGE OF DEEP MOISTURE AS DEPICTED ON TOTAL
PRECIPITABLE WATER IMAGERY. WIDELY SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION
IS MOSTLY W OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 12N-15N BETWEEN 44W-51W.



Good morning

That is an interesting feature that has respectable low level convergence for its size. Something to watch over the weekend. Visible imagery shows early signs of a surface rotation that matches up with the convergence map.

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Quoting SLU:


Notice how warm the MDR is mainly due to a lack of significant hurricane activity there and a primarily negative NAO all season long. If the NAO remains negative this winter, 2013 could be verrrrrrry interesting ....


1.

2013 could easily match 2010 if The NAO switches to Positive, or it could easily pump up the MDR and be a huge CV season with many long trackers and caribbean runners that make landfall, if the NAO stays negative.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Nadine has upwelled a lot of water. Didn't realize it did so that significantly.


El Nino still getting fought off. I don't know if we'll even get to an El Nino Phase. Once January hits, were forecasted to reverse the cycle again and head back for a neutral/Weak La Nina.
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Latest ATCF update give us TS Miriam, should be officially a TS at 11am EDT/8am PST.
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Look like we will have TS Miriam at 8 am PDT.
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Quoting unknowncomic:
Good answer!. It all seems to come from the disturbance at 47n 13w. This needs to be watched.


Here is that wave.

TROPICAL WAVE IN THE CENTRAL TROPICAL ATLANTIC EXTENDS FROM
18N42W TO 11N46W MOVING W 15-20 KT. WAVE IS ALONG THE TRAILING
EDGE OF A SURGE OF DEEP MOISTURE AS DEPICTED ON TOTAL
PRECIPITABLE WATER IMAGERY. WIDELY SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION
IS MOSTLY W OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 12N-15N BETWEEN 44W-51W.

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TS in the EPac?

EP, 13, 2012092212, , BEST, 0, 138N, 1075W, 35, 1003, TS, 34, NEQ, 30, 0, 0, 0, 1008, 220, 30, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, THIRTEEN, M,
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1333. SLU
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Nadine has upwelled a lot of water. Didn't realize it did so that significantly.



Notice how warm the MDR is mainly due to a lack of significant hurricane activity there and a primarily negative NAO all season long. If the NAO remains negative this winter, 2013 could be verrrrrrry interesting ....

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1) I watch and/or listen thoroughly to see whether it contains anything that will violate WU's Terms of Service. That is, whether it contains anything that can be deemed "unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, harmful to minors or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable."

2) If it does, I decide whether it's even necessary to bring up the piece. Most of the time, it's not.

3) If I still think it is, I almost always simply provide a link to the piece, and preface that link with a bolded note that the link contains language or material some/most/anyone might deem offensive.

4) On one single occasion I posted an otherwise great video with a single extremely offensive swear word. That time, I placed a bolded, red-lettered blockquote in front of the video as a warning. Something like this:
WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS A SMALL AMOUNT OF OBSCENE LANGUAGE. IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY SUCH THINGS, PLEASE EITHER DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO, OR WATCH IT WITH THE SOUND MUTED.
It would really help if people could contain themselves when videotaping an event. I understand emotions can run high--just watch Reed Timmer during a tornado chase--but too much is too much. There were two great up-close tornado videos made this past spring that were rendered unlistenable by running commentaries made by documentarians in obvious possession of extremely limited vocabularies; they seemed to only know five or six words, all of them spelled with four letters. That's too bad for everyone.
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From US National Weather Service Miami Florida on FB
As of 820 AM this Saturday morning...A large area of heavy rainfall continues to slowly inch north from Homestead to East-Central Broward County. Rainfall amounts up to the 3-4 inch range has already fallen just southeast of Cutler Bay along the coast. Additional amounts up to 2-3 inches will remain possible through the mid-morning hours.
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Rain rain rain rain and rain!!!
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CMC!!!
78HR

132HR

144HR

192HR

204HR

and a new one at 240HR
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Nadine has upwelled a lot of water. Didn't realize it did so that significantly.

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Good morning everyone, it is a cool and wet morning in SE MI today.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

You're late. He's already been unbanned.

For awhile now, good thing he is back.
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Quoting goalexgo:
Ive seen people banned on this blog for many of the wrong reasons. Slipping in a humorous remark the ticked off the wrong admin is usually the case....yet many admins spin a lot of sarcasm and unforwarding remarks.

Ill see you all in 54,000 hours. Hopefully, there will be a more forgiving spirit here next year.

FREE GROTHAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're late. He's already been unbanned.
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Quoting Grothar:


Thank God it wasn't subtitled. I had the sound off. I didn't hear the commentary. Sorry. I guess we have ruined the British as well.
Ive seen people banned on this blog for many of the wrong reasons. Slipping in a humorous remark the ticked off the wrong admin is usually the case....yet many admins spin a lot of sarcasm and unforwarding remarks.

Ill see you all in 54,000 hours. Hopefully, there will be a more forgiving spirit here next year.

FREE GROTHAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They just can't catch a break. Ever since Washi late last year it's been awful for them.

I agree MA, I know it comes with the turf sometimes, but a beatin' is a beatin'

Evening Mate! good to see you this morning.
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94L is dead, in a tropical sense, and won't develop. I just notice a tiny low/swirl getting sucked into the circulation.
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


I would not take that seriously for two reasons, long range and is the 06z run.But is the area that is favored in October and we have to see if the main models (GFS/ECMWF) agree on development on less timeframe.
Good answer!. It all seems to come from the disturbance at 47n 13w. This needs to be watched.
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Quoting AussieStorm:
I'm not liking the look of this. 115kt Typhoon off the north east Philippines coast.


They just can't catch a break. Ever since Washi late last year it's been awful for them.

T numbers suggest its just under typhoon status. It's been slower to strengthen than several of the storms out there this year but I think it will undergo RI at some point.

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Quoting indianrivguy:
That's not good Geoff... they are releasing nearly 600 million gallons a day into the St. Lucie estuary as we speak, half of which is coming from Okeechobee Lake. Most of the system is already full.


Looks to be a wet one today.

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I'm not liking the look of this. 115kt Typhoon off the north east Philippines coast.

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Tropical Weather Discussion (805 AM EDT)
* Post-Tropical Storm Nadine
* As of September 22 06 UTC
* Coordinates: 32N 27W
* Location: 356 nm S of the Azores
* Minimum pressure: 989 mb
* Maximum sustained winds: 50 kt
* Gusts: 60 kt

vs ATCF
AL, 14, 2012092206, , BEST, 0, 318N, 267W, 45, 984, LO, 34, NEQ, 180, 150, 180, 240, 1005, 200, 70, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, NADINE, M,
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A NON-TROPICAL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 250 MILES
EAST-NORTHEAST OF BERMUDA IS EXPECTED TO WEAKEN AS IT MOVES
NORTHWESTWARD AND NORTHWARD DURING THE NEXT DAY OR SO. THIS SYSTEM
HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS
LOW CAN BE FOUND IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE.

POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE NADINE IS LOCATED OVER THE NORTHEASTERN
ATLANTIC OCEAN ABOUT 650 MILES WEST-NORTHWEST OF THE CANARY ISLANDS
AND IS MOVING SOUTH-SOUTHEASTWARD AT AROUND 10 MPH. REGENERATION OF
THIS SYSTEM INTO A TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE AS
IT MOVES OVER SLIGHTLY WARMER WATERS DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A
TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE NADINE CAN BE FOUND
IN HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY METEO FRANCE.
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That's not good Geoff... they are releasing nearly 600 million gallons a day into the St. Lucie estuary as we speak, half of which is coming from Okeechobee Lake. Most of the system is already full.
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I'm in WPB will i have my soccer game or not
A.yes
b.no
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