Half of the polar ice cap is missing: Arctic sea ice hits a new record low

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8:53 PM GMT on September 06, 2012

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Extraordinary melting of sea ice in the Arctic this summer has shattered the all-time low sea ice extent record set in September 2007, and sea ice continues to decline far below what has ever been observed. The new sea ice record was set on August 26, a full three weeks before the usual end of the melting season, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Every major scientific institution that tracks Arctic sea ice agrees that new records for low ice area, extent, and volume have been set. These organizations include the University of Washington Polar Science Center (a new record for low ice volume), the Nansen Environmental & Remote Sensing Center in Norway, and the University of Illinois Cryosphere Today. A comprehensive collection of sea ice graphs shows the full story. Satellite records of sea ice extent date back to 1979, though a 2011 study by Kinnard et al. shows that the Arctic hasn't seen a melt like this for at least 1,450 years (see a more detailed article on this over at skepticalscience.com.) The latest September 5, 2012 extent of 3.5 million square kilometers is approximately a 50% reduction in the area of Arctic covered by sea ice, compared to the average from 1979 - 2000. The ice continues to melt, and has not reached the low for this year yet.


Figure 1. A sunny, slushy day at the North Pole on September 1, 2012. Webcam image courtesy of the North Pole Environmental Observatory.


Figure 2. Sea ice extent on September 5, 2012, showed that half of the polar ice cap was missing, compared to the average from 1979 - 2000. Image credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center.

Why the Arctic sea ice is important
Arctic sea ice is an important component of the global climate system. The polar ice caps help to regulate global temperature by reflecting sunlight back into space. White snow and ice at the poles reflects sunlight, but dark ocean absorbs it. Replacing bright sea ice with dark ocean is a recipe for more and faster global warming. The Autumn air temperature over the Arctic has increased by 4 - 6°F in the past decade, and we could already be seeing the impacts of this warming in the mid-latitudes, by an increase in extreme weather events. Another non-trivial impact of the absence of sea ice is increased melting in Greenland. We already saw an unprecedented melting event in Greenland this year, and as warming continues, the likelihood of these events increase.


Figure 3. August set a new record for lowest Arctic sea ice extent. Image credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center.



Figure 4. Arctic sea ice death spiral as plotted by Jim Pettit using data from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency.

Huge storm pummels Alaska
A massive low pressure system with a central pressure of 970 mb swept through Alaska on Tuesday, generating hurricane-force wind gusts near Anchorage, Alaska that knocked out power to 55,000 homes. Mighty Alaskan storms like this are common in winter, but rare in summer and early fall. The National Weather Service in Anchorage said in their Wednesday forecast discussion that the forecast wind speeds from this storm were incredibly strong for this time of year--four to six standard anomalies above normal. A four-standard anomaly event occurs once every 43 years, and a five-standard anomaly event is a 1-in-4800 year event. However, a meteorologist I heard from who lives in the Anchorage area characterized the wind damage that actually occurred as a 1-in-10 year event. A few maximum wind gusts recorded on Tuesday during the storm:

McHugh Creek (Turnagain Arm)... ... ..88 mph
Paradise Valley (Potter Marsh)... ... 75 mph
Upper Hillside (1400 ft)... ... ... ... 70 mph
Anchorage port... ... ... ... ... ... ... .63 mph

The storm has weakened to a central pressure of 988 mb today, and is located just north of Alaska. The storm is predicted to bring strong winds of 25 - 35 mph and large waves to the edge of the record-thin and record-small Arctic ice cap, and may add to the unprecedented decline in Arctic sea ice being observed this summer.


Figure 5. An unusually strong storm formed off the coast of Alaska on August 5 and tracked into the center of the Arctic Ocean, where it slowly dissipated over the next several days. The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA's Aqua satellite captured this natural-color mosaic image on Aug. 6, 2012. The center of the storm at that date was located in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. Image credit: NASA.

Arctic storms may be increasing due to climate change
This week's Alaskan storm is the second unusually strong low pressure system to affect the Arctic in the past month. On August 4 - 8, a mighty storm with a central pressure of 963 mb raged through the Arctic, bringing strong winds that helped scatter and break up Arctic sea ice. According to a detailed post at NASA Earth Observatory, that storm was in the top 3 percent for strongest storms ever recorded north of 70 degrees latitude. A study of long-term Arctic cyclone trends authored by a team led by John Walsh and Xiangdong Zhang of the University of Alaska Fairbanks found that number and intensity of Arctic cyclones has increased during the second half of the twentieth century, particularly during the summer. Dr. Zhang explained that climate change has caused sea ice to retreat markedly in recent decades and has also warmed Arctic Ocean temperatures. Such changes may be providing more energy and moisture to support cyclone development and persistence. The strong storms of this week and a month ago would have had far less impact on the ice just a decade ago, when the sea ice was much thicker and more extensive.

A sea ice decline double-whammy
The monster Arctic storms like we've seen this year have sped up the rate of sea ice loss, but increased water temperatures and air temperatures due to human-caused global warming are the dominant reasons for the record melting of the Arctic sea ice. A July 2012 study by Day et al. found that the most influential of the possible natural influences on sea ice loss was the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO). The AMO has two phases, negative (cold) and positive (warm), which impact Arctic sea ice. The negative phase tends to create sea surface temperatures in the far north Atlantic that are colder than average. In this study, the AMO only accounted for 5% - 31% of the observed September sea ice decline since 1979. The scientists concluded that given the lack of evidence that natural forces were controlling sea ice fluctuations, the majority of sea ice decline we've seen during the 1953 - 2010 period was due to human causes.

Joe Romm has a more in-depth look at the new Arctic sea ice record and what it means for the future over at climateprogess.org.

Angela Fritz and Jeff Masters

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1184. Birthmark
4:12 AM GMT on September 08, 2012
Quoting CJ5:


As I stated, there are some similarities between the parties but none can compare to the current slate of liberals. Yes, Obama is a socialist. His idols where socialists, his ideals are socialist and his goal is socialism. He said it in his own book and his policies reflect as much. Those who think otherwise are blinded by the brand. I know people don't want to hear it. Did you watch the convention? It was all about free stuff and government programs. How do the left believe we are going to pay for all of it?

Did you know in 1980 our federal government's total spending was 947 billion dollars. Do you know what we will spend on education alone in 2012? 941 billion. Does the education rank of student reflect the money spent? No. What is one of the talking points of the Dems? More money for education. It is laughable!

What socialist policies would those be, exactly? The one where he hands no strings attached cash to the banks that got us into this mess? lol
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1183. AstroHurricane001
2:10 AM GMT on September 08, 2012
Religion...politics...more attitude polarization. Well, I'm out.

Luau time!



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1182. mitthbevnuruodo
12:55 AM GMT on September 08, 2012
I wish Dr Masters would do a new tropics blog...and maybe the blog get back to regular tropics and weather. I knew when I saw the blog was about icecap melting, it was opening a can of worms, that seems to have turned into a can of snakes. As someone else stated, no one on either side is going to convince the other, and especially not through comments on here. Most don't want to see the other side or agree with them, so it's futile, especially on this blog.

New blog pleeeease Dr!
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1181. CJ5
9:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

Nonsense. Politically, Obama is nearly indistinguishable from Bush or Romney. They all follow the same failed economic principles. Obama is nowhere near socialism.


As I stated, there are some similarities between the parties but none can compare to the current slate of liberals. Yes, Obama is a socialist. His idols where socialists, his ideals are socialist and his goal is socialism. He said it in his own book and his policies reflect as much. Those who think otherwise are blinded by the brand. I know people don't want to hear it. Did you watch the convention? It was all about free stuff and government programs. How do the left believe we are going to pay for all of it?

Did you know in 1980 our federal government's total spending was 947 billion dollars. Do you know what we will spend on education alone in 2012? 941 billion. Does the education rank of student reflect the money spent? No. What is one of the talking points of the Dems? More money for education. It is laughable!
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1180. Birthmark
8:24 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting CJ5:


None of this comment has any merit. It is just talking points. Both parties have issues but the left candidate is doing more than branding socialism as acceptable.

Nonsense. Politically, Obama is nearly indistinguishable from Bush or Romney. They all follow the same failed economic principles. Obama is nowhere near socialism.
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1179. CJ5
8:16 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting RTSplayer:


Wow. You think Obama is radical?

Look who Romney has chosen as his running mate?!

Paul Ryan.

This guy is so anti-middle class it's ridiculous (forget his claims and look at his policy proposals).

As for "lower class," I think this guy probably pisses in their drinking water for S&Gs...


At least he's not QUITE as bad as Ron Paul was. Ron Paul destroyed his entire campaign with a single EVIL, heartless comment, and sadly the entire republican/Tea Party audience shouted "YEEEEAAAH," in agreement. He as much as said "tough luck" to the hypothetical example of a 30yr patient who needed a life-saving proceedure, but didn't have insurance.

"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."


They should have kicked him off the podium immediately, but the audience was equally evil and heartless.


These guys are the exact opposite of the Parable of the "Good Samaritan," which is ironic because they claim to be in support of evangelicals, and for some reason most conservative "Christians" of many movements support these guys.

Such people should be banned from even running for office in this country, and that's what Romney has for a running mate. Like I said, Paul Ryan isn't QUITE as bad as Ron Paul, but then again, he maybe was more fortunate and didn't get "caught" in such a blatantly "honest" evil remark.


The "Tea Party" and Republicans don't care about you or me, all they care about is making it easier for the top 10% to stay in wealth and power, and screw everyone else.


None of this comment has any merit. It is just talking points. Both parties have issues but the left candidate is doing more than branding socialism as acceptable.
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1178. LurkyMcLurkerson
6:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Oh my, this all took a fascinating turn today. It's a shame, because I thought some of the discussion last night was pretty interesting and mostly pretty thoughtful.

Maybe these things can only go so long or have so many participants before they're bound to turn into something akin to the monty python "argument" sketch.
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1177. Kumo
5:35 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting RTSplayer:



I'm sorry, but Muhammad was not a "Great Man" unless you measure "Greatness" in the same sense as Genghis Khan. Forced marriages and conversion at the point of a sword does not make somebody "great". It makes them a monster.


As for Jesus, there are absolutely no records of him participating in physical violence, except on one or two occasions in which he reportedly chased the animals and the hypocritical, corrupt priesthood and money changers out of the temple complex with a whip. I think, given the text, just about everyone would agree it was the right thing to do.

Muhammad and his followers killed Christians and Jews whenever they encountered them, almost without fail.

How can you put him in a group with Jesus as a "Great Man"?

That's ridiculous.


"Great" as in men that have made impacts on humanity and religion that are still relevant in the modern world today.

I am not here for an extensive religious debate nor to condemn any single religion for the mistakes of its followers and leaders (personally it is none of my business how other people choose to live their spiritual lives), but no religion is without blood on it's hands.
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1176. intampa
5:01 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
yall might as well give up the global warming argument. remember you are trying to talk to people who believe the earth is about 10000 yrs old, man and dinosaurs walked the earth together and above all there god is the absolute truth and infallible. no matter how much evidence is presented there god will always be infallable so give it up and they will shut up and we can get back to watching the storms and reading everyones comments about storms and watching all the neat graphics people post.
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1175. Kumo
4:59 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



carbon tax??? more taxes that's all we need....if they did create a carbon tax there would be so many loopholes....and the money generated would go to foolish spending....we are 16 trillion dollars in debt


Any mandate would have to be carefully worded to limit such loopholes and there would need to be someone to closely monitor and strictly limit how revenue from a carbon tax is spent. This is not something we should just make a half-ass attempt at integrating within our excessive government, this is something that we need to take very seriously.

Completely agree with you on the 16 Trillion, and the 1+ Trillion we are adding to that every year, under the past two administrations, government has gotten too big. I can think of several ridiculous taxes that need to be either cut or eliminated. (Alcohol, Tobacco, OBAMACARE, etc.)

There's a silver lining to investing in atmospheric CO2 extraction, namely in the amount of jobs that can be created and the benefit to our economy. Best part of it is that we won't have to make immediate and drastic changes to our modern lifestyles in order to begin cleaning up the mess we've made.
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1174. atl134
4:47 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting VINNY04:
almost as funny as Clinton saying that the country is in better shape then it was 4 years ago.


August 2008: -274k jobs
August 2012: +96k jobs

I'd rather the economy be in rehab than in the shock trauma unit.

Anyway...

as for Leslie and Michael, the NHC track seem to have them holding a convention outside Newfoundland on Wednesday. I have to think there's a huge margin of error on that just because of storms being so close to each other. If Michael doesn't turn east fast enough to give some space that's gotta create problems for Newfoundland with Leslie.
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1173. Birthmark
4:45 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


ran could care less about dying. It's all for Allah. They have the same mentality as a suicide bomber.

Says who and on the basis of what evidence?
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1172. Birthmark
4:44 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


Might be in your back yard if you keep being blind

Yeah, I'm gonna stick that on my list of things to worry about...oh, right behind Sasquatch with a hand grenade. Yes, that's about where it belongs.

Name me one nation in the history of the world that voluntarily committed suicide. Because you are asking people to believe that Iran will do just that.

It's silly.
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1171. mcluvincane
4:43 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

I think it is you who needs to wake up. You appear to be having a bad dream.

Israel has a couple of hundred nukes. Even Ahmadinnerjacket can do that math. There will be no attack on Israel. It's sabre-rattling for the locals to cheer about, and that's all.


ran could care less about dying. It's all for Allah. They have the same mentality as a suicide bomber.
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1170. Skyepony (Mod)
4:42 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Heads up Newfoundland..


Quoting seminolesfan:
The belief in the science behind AGW is very solid and substantial. FTFY...


Physically doing some of the experiments in college where you calculate the energy, see how it behaves, what holds it & how..understanding the science & the math..seeing the results chemistry can bring forth with your own hands & eyes.. That makes my belief in the science behind AGW solid & substantial.
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1168. Birthmark
4:42 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting seminolesfan:
The belief in the science behind AGW is very solid and substantial. FTFY...

You fixed nothing. You merely stated what you want to be true for what is actually true. Happens all the time among anti-science types.
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1167. Birthmark
4:40 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting scottsvb:


Really dude? you know if they do...then Isreal hits them.. that starts a War.. and if they don't..Iran will use it against Isreal. Now be smart.. do you really think it's okay for a country to have a Nuke when they say they want to destroy another country off the face of the earth? If this was S Africa getting a nuke.. it wouldn't be that much pressure.. but it's Iran. Wake up

I think it is you who needs to wake up. You appear to be having a bad dream.

Israel has a couple of hundred nukes. Even Ahmadinnerjacket can do that math. There will be no attack on Israel. It's sabre-rattling for the locals to cheer about, and that's all.
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1166. mcluvincane
4:40 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

That looks like an attempt to answer my second question. What terrorist acts has Ahmadinnerjacket committed?

And again, who says he'll get a nuke if Obama is re-elected? He's had four years of Obama...where's his nuke?


Might be in your back yard if you keep being blind
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1165. goosegirl1
4:39 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting RTSplayer:



Metaphysics is not entirely about faith.

There are certain Metaphysical(beyond physical) things which can be proven logically, even without physical evidence.

If you are talking about the origin of the universe, it is obvious that is both a physical and a metaphysical issue.

Why is it metaphysical? Because you must ask the questions, "Why and how should anything exist at all? Why not nothing?"


Now it is true that some aspects of Metaphysics are "unprovable" or "non-falsifiable," but not being provable does not make a theory false. Not being falsifiable certainly does not make a hypothesis or a spiritual claim false, yet certain things can still be shown to be more likely, or more rational than others.

Examples:

"This sentence is true and unprovable."

You cannot prove the sentence false, and there's no reason to doubt it, yet if the sentence really is true, you cannot prove it either, and this has been proven(seriously).


On creation:

Chaos First Argument (Mine originally, I think):


Now you may ask, "What happened 'before' the universe/multi-verse existed? Before laws of physics existed, etc, was there true chaos?"


If there is true chaos, then anything can happen.

If anything can happen then it's possible for an omnipotent being to exist.

If an omnipotent being exists it can then establish order, removing chaos, and prevent the existence of any other omnipotents or omnipotent wannnabes.


Order First:

See the last paragraph above.

By definition, God is fundamental reality, or more scientifically, "The rational principle which governs the universe".



The notion of the "Sky Fairy" God, which atheists mock, actually any manner of "creationism" believes, except in the form of visions or metaphor (for human understanding). There is an ontological barrier between us and the true omnipotence, not that "it" can't do whatever it wants, but that we cannot comprehend the full reality of "it," as one would need to be omnipotent in order to fully comprehend an omnipotent, and since "There can be only one," that comprehension is not ontologically possible.

Similarly, you can never truly understand the universe, because no matter how good your model might be, you would need to know the position of every entity: light, particles, fields, or other energy or matter forms known and unknown, in order to actually test your model. Our absolute knowledge of anything in the universe is nearly zero, as even our best measurements are merely approximations with very large margins of error.



One of the glaring problems of the scientific method is that one time events, such as creation of the universe or any alleged symmetry breaking or any other similar theory, cannot be repeated for testing, and therefore would not be considered "science" in the modern definition, even though they must be some form of physical knowledge.



We can create the conditions of the big bang in a super collider again and again. Seems repeatable to me.
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1164. Birthmark
4:38 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


Really? Are you ahmadinejad's brother? He's a terrorist. Nukes in a terrorist hands are not good. Think about it

That looks like an attempt to answer my second question. What terrorist acts has Ahmadinnerjacket committed?

And again, who says he'll get a nuke if Obama is re-elected? He's had four years of Obama...where's his nuke?
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1163. scottsvb
4:37 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

Really?

A. Who says?
B. So what if they do?


Really dude? you know if they do...then Isreal hits them.. that starts a War.. and if they don't..Iran will use it against Isreal. Now be smart.. do you really think it's okay for a country to have a Nuke when they say they want to destroy another country off the face of the earth? If this was S Africa getting a nuke.. it wouldn't be that much pressure.. but it's Iran. Wake up
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1162. Birthmark
4:35 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Pirate999:


Would you have said that about a past fanatic named hitler. Do you remember a guy named Chamberlain?

Godwinned!!!

That answers neither of my questions.
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1161. mcluvincane
4:35 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

Really?

A. Who says?
B. So what if they do?


Really? Are you ahmadinejad's brother? He's a terrorist. Nukes in a terrorist hands are not good. Think about it
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1160. goosegirl1
4:34 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting RTSplayer:



I'm sorry, but Muhammad was not a "Great Man" unless you measure "Greatness" in the same sense as Genghis Khan. Forced marriages and conversion at the point of a sword does not make somebody "great". It makes them a monster.


As for Jesus, there are absolutely no records of him participating in physical violence, except on one or two occasions in which he reportedly chased the animals and the hypocritical, corrupt priesthood and money changers out of the temple complex with a whip. I think, given the text, just about everyone would agree it was the right thing to do.

Muhammad and his followers killed Christians and Jews whenever they encountered them, almost without fail.

How can you put him in a group with Jesus as a "Great Man"?

That's ridiculous.


Please the story of Lot, then the story of Elisha. Get back to us then...
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1159. sar2401
4:34 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting ncstorm:


yeah good luck with that!

yall do know this blog is up through the weekend..LOL..what a hot mess! Im out till later..

I sure hope you're wrong about that. If you're right, that would give me a lot of time to not be on the computer, so maybe it wouldn't be so bad after all. :)
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1158. Pirate999
4:33 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

Really?

A. Who says?
B. So what if they do?


Would you have said that about a past fanatic named hitler. Do you remember a guy named Chamberlain?
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1157. RTSplayer
4:32 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting ILwthrfan:


What about the other 50 countries that possess a nuclear weapon/s? Remind me again of which country is the ONLY country to use one on anther foe?



Japan and Germany were planning to deploy a "Dirty Bomb" to the U.S. even earlier than the U.S. bomb developments; they did not yet have the technical skill to make a true nuclear device, but they were TRYING to do so. As I recall, there were problems and the vessel carrying the bomb was later sank. They already had the bomb armed and on the vessel for deployment. I think it was a submarine, but it's been like 2 years since I saw this on the History Channel.


Also, pretty much everyone used WMD in WWI and WWII and nearly every war since then.

Japan was dropping Bubonic Plague and other weaponized disease agents and poisons on China throughout the war.
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1156. seminolesfan
4:31 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Birthmark:

Nonsense. Opposition to AGW is certainly non-science-based, and frequently religious in nature. However, the science behind AGW is very solid and substantial.
The belief in the science behind AGW is very solid and substantial. FTFY...
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1155. ILwthrfan
4:30 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:



That was once with the first weapon in a giant war.
No garuntees it wouldnt happen in a WWIII if hell broke loose.


But what does that have to do with weather or climate?


Your right politics is a dead street and to each will always have their own. Those line of storms will find a way to miss me again, wonder if the NWS will have back to back busted forecasts. They were calling for 2" of rain today.
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1154. Birthmark
4:29 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


Obama= iran gets a nuke

Really?

A. Who says?
B. So what if they do?
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1153. bappit
4:28 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Grothar:

That woooooshing sound is the shear.
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1152. Birthmark
4:28 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting seminolesfan:
Just goes to show how intertwined the whole GW idea is with religion and politics. Because the theory is based on beliefs not hard science, just like the other two. There never will be a consensus on any of the three. Just people thinking everyone else is wrong/lying/stupid when they hold the opposing belief. Nothing will be changed...

Nonsense. Opposition to AGW is certainly non-science-based, and frequently religious in nature. However, the science behind AGW is very solid and substantial.
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1151. MTWX
4:28 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:



Why am i spending my lunchtime on here?


Comic relief.... That's why I'm here today...
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1150. WunderAlertBot (Admin)
4:28 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
1149. mcluvincane
4:27 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting ILwthrfan:


What about the other 50 countries that possess a nuclear weapon/s? Remind me again of which country is the ONLY country to use one on anther foe?


Ummm... the other 50 hasn't said the want to blow Israel off the map
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1148. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
4:27 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


I'm Jewish, my grandmother lives in Jerusalem. I have deep worries that iran will have a nuke soon. We must stop them at all cost


i believe to stop iran from aquiring nukes
we must ensure that no other nation has nukes

how can you deny something that is so bad to one
if another already has them

if war is to come to iran
it will be mankinds final mistake
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1147. 954FtLCane
4:27 PM GMT on September 07, 2012


nothing thru 168 hrs...... 53 days until the election... any idea what this where this blog will be?
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1146. sar2401
4:27 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting presslord:
OK...here's a weather related flash for y'all:

I'll pay someone $100 to come over and wash my boat tomorrow....$150 if they wear a bikini....$200 if the person wearing the bikini is not Neapolitan...or Grothar....


Gro can't do it. He's unconscious from banging his head against the wall. :)
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1145. GeorgiaStormz
4:26 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting ILwthrfan:


What about the other 50 countries that possess a nuclear weapon/s? Remind me again of which country is the ONLY country to use one on anther foe?



That was once with the first weapon in a giant war.
No garuntees it wouldnt happen in a WWIII if hell broke loose.


But what does that have to do with weather or climate?
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1144. RTSplayer
4:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Kumo:


I really think that the book of Revelation and other prophetic works were meant to serve as a warning of what could potentially happen if we make the wrong choices.

I really don't think God (regardless of how anyone personally sees him, through Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.) would rather us to just sit back and let end of the world prophecy to "just happen".

While prayer and meditation are healthy, these practices won't fix the damage that humans have caused to this world.

We've got well documented scientific evidence and data that humans are the chief cause of this accelerated global warming.

Folks need to start putting pressure on both elected officials to institute a "Carbon Tax". Revenue could go into production of affordable bioplastic materials that absorb CO2.

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This would allow us more time to cheapen the cost of alternative fuels and technology, while making a huge impact in returning atmospheric CO2 to pre-industrial levels.

Jesus, Muhammad, and Buddha were great men of even greater action, I am pretty sure they won't mind if we begin taking the steps needed to save our planet. It would not surprise me if we did them proud by being a little more proactive.



I'm sorry, but Muhammad was not a "Great Man" unless you measure "Greatness" in the same sense as Genghis Khan. Forced marriages and conversion at the point of a sword does not make somebody "great". It makes them a monster.


As for Jesus, there are absolutely no records of him participating in physical violence, except on one or two occasions in which he reportedly chased the animals and the hypocritical, corrupt priesthood and money changers out of the temple complex with a whip. I think, given the text, just about everyone would agree it was the right thing to do.

Muhammad and his followers killed Christians and Jews whenever they encountered them, almost without fail.

How can you put him in a group with Jesus as a "Great Man"?

That's ridiculous.
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1143. 954FtLCane
4:25 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
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1141. 954FtLCane
4:24 PM GMT on September 07, 2012


at 120 hrs it's ZZZZzzzzzzz........

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1140. ILwthrfan
4:23 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting mcluvincane:


I'm Jewish, my grandmother lives in Jerusalem. I have deep worries that iran will have a nuke soon. We must stop them at all cost


What about the other 50 countries that possess a nuclear weapon/s? Remind me again of which country is the ONLY country to use one on anther foe?

I understand your concern about Iran with respect to your family but I would think she would have far bigger problems that just a nuke from Iran. Those countries have been fighting for 2,000 years and its not going to stop this generation either.
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1139. GeoffreyWPB
4:23 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Grothar:
According to recent medical research;

"Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour."

Just wanted you to know, since reading the blog this morning, I have lost 23 pounds.........


They're coming to take me away, Ha-ha
They're coming to take me away, Ho-ho
Hee-hee-haa-haa
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those
Nice young men in their clean white coats and
They're coming to take me away, ha-ha!
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1138. GeorgiaStormz
4:23 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Grothar:
According to recent medical research;

"Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour."

Just wanted you to know, since reading the blog this morning, I have lost 23 pounds.........



Why am i spending my lunchtime on here?
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1137. scottsvb
4:22 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Since this is now Foxnews and CNN blog site.. all I have to say is this... you get 4 years to do something in office.. I don't care what side you are.. republican or democrate... it's not about your side.. it's about what is right for this country.. Obama had 4 years to do something.. and he's done almost nothing outside of giving the go-ahead to get OBL. The unemployment rate is higher.. the Deficit (that he said he would get into the surplus after 4 years) is the worst ever. He cut military spending.. cut funds to Nasa.. said No to the pipleline with Canada... I can go on and on. I'm independent.. but I vote for President on what he has done.. and he's done 90% bad or nothing. Lets see what Romney has.. if he can't do it in 4 years.. we elect another in 2016. Don't think of it as "if your life is better than 4 years ago" think of it as "is the country better than 4 years ago" it's not about you.. it's about the country.. and it continues to get worse.
Now back to Weather!
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1135. ncstorm
4:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting sar2401:

That's not quite true. She stated that political issues as they are direcly related to climate change and kept civil were acceptable. She said nothing about political campaigning. There's a difference.


yeah good luck with that!

yall do know this blog is up through the weekend..LOL..what a hot mess! Im out till later..
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1134. sar2401
4:21 PM GMT on September 07, 2012
Quoting Grothar:
According to recent medical research;

"Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour."

Just wanted you to know, since reading the blog this morning, I have lost 23 pounds.........


Gro, the knots on your head must be huge. :) It was much better last night. I sure hope a new blog gets posted pretty quick.
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