Leslie near hurricane strength; Son of Isaac (90L) emerges in the Gulf

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:05 PM GMT on September 05, 2012

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Tropical Storm Leslie is growing more organized and is approaching hurricane strength on its slow voyage northwards at 2 mph towards the island of Bermuda. Moderately high wind shear of 15 - 20 knots due to strong upper-level winds out of the northwest continues to keep most of Leslie's heavy thunderstorms pushed to the east side of the storm, but satellite loops show that Leslie now has an impressive blow-up of heavy thunderstorms with cold cloud tops near its center. Leslie's slow forward speed means that the storm is staying over the cold water stirred up by the storm's winds, inhibiting intensification, but the waters underneath Leslie are warm to great depth, making this less of a factor than usual. According to the latest SHIPS model forecast, the shear is expected to fall steadily today, reaching the low category, 5 - 10 knots, by Thursday afternoon. Leslie is over warm ocean waters of 29 - 30°C, and the reduction in shear and warm waters should aid intensification, and potentially allow Leslie to be at Category 2 strength at its closest pass by Bermuda Saturday night and early Sunday morning, as indicated by the official NHC forecast. The latest 11 am EDT NHC wind probability forecast calls for a 48% chance that Leslie will be a Category 2 or stronger hurricane Sunday morning at 8 am EDT. Leslie is a huge storm, and tropical storm-force winds are expected to extend outward from its center 250 miles by Friday. Bermuda is likely to see a 42-hour period of tropical storm-force winds beginning Saturday morning near 2 am AST, and lasting until 8 pm AST Sunday night. The official NHC forecast shows Leslie nearly making a direct hit on Bermuda, and Leslie will be capable of bringing an extended period of hurricane-force winds lasting six or more hours to Bermuda Saturday night through Sunday morning, should a direct hit materialize. NHC is predicting that hurricane-force winds will extend outwards from the center of Leslie by 35 miles on Thursday night, and I expect this will increase to at least 60 miles by early Sunday morning, when Leslie will be making its closest pass by Bermuda.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Tropical Storm Leslie. Heavy thunderstorms have built near the center of the storm, and Leslie is near hurricane strength.

Leslie's impact on Canada
Leslie will stay stuck in a weak steering current environment until a strong trough of low pressure approaches the U.S. East Coast on Saturday. The timing of this trough is such that Leslie will be pulled northwards and then north-northeastwards over the weekend. There are still significant differences among the models in the timing and speed of Leslie's track over the weekend, but we can now dismiss the threat of Leslie making a direct hit on New England. The storm is likely to make landfall in Nova Scotia or Newfoundland, though there are significant differences in the models' predictions of the timing of Leslie's arrival in Canada. The GFS model predicts an early Tuesday landfall in Newfoundland, but the ECMWF model is much faster and farther west, predicting a Monday afternoon landfall in Nova Scotia. Large swells from Leslie are pounding the entire Eastern Seaboard, and these waves will increase in size as Leslie grows in strength this week. The Hurricane Hunters are scheduled to make their first flight into Leslie on Thursday afternoon.


Figure 2. Morning radar image of Invest 90L off the coast of the Florida Panhandle.

Son of Isaac: Invest 90L emerges in the Gulf of Mexico
During Tropical Depression Isaac's trek across the center of the U.S. during the Labor Day weekend, the storm was ripped in half. One portion of the storm moved over the Northeast U.S., bringing heavy rains there, and another portion sank southwards over Alabama. You can see this split by studying an animation of the vorticity at 850 mb (the amount of spin at low levels of the atmosphere, near 5,000 feet above sea level) from the University of Wisconsin. This remnant of Isaac, which still maintained some of Isaac's spin, brought heavy rains of 5 - 10 inches that caused flooding problems over portions of Alabama on Tuesday. The storm has now emerged over the Gulf of Mexico near the Florida Panhandle, and was designated Invest 90L this morning by NHC. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 90L a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning. According to NHC naming rules, "if the remnant of a tropical cyclone redevelops into a tropical cyclone, it is assigned its original number or name". Since "the remnant" refers to the primary remnant, and 90L does not fit the definition of a "primary remnant", the storm will be given a new name should it develop into a tropical storm, according to information posted on the NHC Facebook page. Esau or Jacob--the names of the sons of the biblical Isaac--would be fitting names for 90L, but the next storm on the list of Atlantic storms is Nadine.

Long-range radar out of Mobile, Alabama shows a large area of heavy rainfall along the coast due to 90L. The echoes do show some spiral banding behavior, but there is only a slight evidence of rotation to the storm. Infrared satellite loops show that the thunderstorms associated with 90L are not that vigorous and do not have particularly cold cloud tops, and the area covered by the thunderstorms is relatively small. Wind shear is a high 20 - 30 knots over the northern Gulf of Mexico, but is predicted to fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, by Thursday afternoon. Ocean temperatures in the Gulf have been cooled down considerably by the passage of Hurricane Isaac last week, and are 28 - 28.5°C. This is still plenty warm enough to support formation of a tropical storm, and I expect 90L will increase in organization on Thursday and Friday as it moves slowly south or south-southwest. 90L could become a tropical depression as early as Thursday, though Friday is more likely. A hurricane hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate 90L on Thursday afternoon. A trough of low pressure and an associated surface cold front will move southeastwards over the northern Gulf of Mexico on Sunday, and this trough should be capable of pulling 90L to the northeast to a landfall along the Florida Panhandle or west coast of Florida on Sunday.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of Tropical Storm Michael.

Tropical Storm Michael in the Central Atlantic
Tropical Storm Michael has strengthened to 50 mph winds, and appears to have a favorable enough environment to become a hurricane later this week. Satellite loops show that this is a small tropical cyclone, far out over the open Atlantic, and none of the models show that Michael will threaten any land areas.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
The GFS and ECMWF models are predicting that a new tropical wave due to move off the coast of Africa on Friday will develop into a tropical depression by the middle of next week. It's too early to tell if this system might threaten the Lesser Antilles Islands.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

You should have seen Igor as it was undergoing its rapid intensification phase...

I did, and that's actually what it reminded me of.
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Quoting number4steel:
oh its true, the only thing from america jr (canada) i care about is round bacon and migratory ducks. you can keep the geese and alberta clippers
I am not from Canada, but that doesn't mean I don't care about the welfare of its people. Don't quote me when you make a boob of yourself.
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Quoting FloatingCity:


Nobody on this site gives a rats ass about anything that happens above New England, unless of course you are from the Motherland (Canada). This site is used by the Yanks, and to them, nobody else exists...thats why there isn't any talk about Leslie...doesn't affect the States...they don't care. Peace Brother!!


...I'm Canadian, and I'm not a fan of your Nationalist inferiority complex. This is a US blog, sure, and no one says they should care about storms that won't directly effect their soil. Heck, they have and have had a bunch of infighting when it came to the areas affected by Isaac vs. Katrina vs. Andrew. But, still, there are many that do care, because hurricanes and tropical storms in general are dangerous forces of nature and can cause a lot of grief wherever they land. Besides, there are people from all over the world, who come here because they find the tropics as fascinating as everything else.

If you want to be pessimistic about whether or not people care about a hurricane's potential damage on a country, especially when it is far from set in stone. Go pine about it somewhere else, because some people want to actually keep track of these systems.

Granted, I'm not speaking for everyone, as aforementioned, there is infighting here as in any other forum. There is trolling. There is political and sensationalist crap. I'm not sure which category you fall into, but it's either one or a mix of those. And also, I think we (Canadians) are quite capable of taking care of themselves, Igor set a precedent and so did Juan: the world is changing, the frequency of hurricanes/TS's hitting Canada is increased. We know, they know, and people are responding to that.

By the way, I'm totes a Michael fan. And Leslie is super dangerous... I've warned my friends in Bermuda about her and they are paying attention.
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Quoting sar2401:


Speaking of summer, I wonder how the Year of No Summer (1816) affected the Artic ice pack? I know the abnormally cold weather was caused by a combination of volcanic eruptions and record low solar activity, but did it also cause an increase in Artic ice and, if so, for how long? Seems like, if less ice can alter the climate, shouldn't abnormally cold weather affect the ice pack and cause climate change as well?


Perhaps all we need to slow down the Global Warming is a few good volcanic eruptions?
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Quoting Hangten:


So you noticed it also. He writes things often in a long time before official reports come. he then has written of this leslie and where it goes from before. He now wrote of this gulf storm. I have asked before how is of knowing these.

I think it's the centuries of data he has stored in his cranial hard disk. :) Gro's blog is one of the first things I read. He's not a wishcaster, doomcaster, or downcaster, doesn't even claim to be a forecaster, but he has some amazingly prescient observations.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Who was the one that called Micheal pathetic 3 days ago?>I think the name started with a "W"?


I'll 'fess up.

I called "Michael" pathetic whenever it was still a TD, because when they first classified the thing it was so naked that it literally didn't even show up on color enhanced infrared.
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Quoting TomballTXPride:

Wash!!! I won't leave you. Two storms. Yes. Will be a good ride alright. HOpe leslie don't go too close to bermuda...
It's a very tiny island.So hurricanes have a hard time directly making landfall.I do think hurricane conditions are possible for them with surge and surf.
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Quoting wxchaser97:

Hmmmmm, well lots called him tiny. He isn't tiny anymore and he's almost a hurricane.


Michael isn't tiny, he is microscopic.



Even Kirk was bigger (CDO measuring 5 degrees across at this stage).
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Who was the one that called Micheal pathetic 3 days ago?>I think the name started with a "W"?

I think more people called it "cute" than "pathetic", but I just don't remember who that "W" person might be. :)
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Quoting sar2401:


Yes, I know...like the shower curtain. :) Really, though, you usually do see things first, especially links to obscure and changing model runs. You must have a huge list of favorites.


So you noticed it also. He writes things often in a long time before official reports come. he then has written of this leslie and where it goes from before. He now wrote of this gulf storm. I have asked before how is of knowing these.
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Quoting sar2401:


Yes, I know...like the shower curtain. :) Really, though, you usually do see things first, especially links to obscure and changing model runs. You must have a huge list of favorites.


Yes, I had to get a separate hard drive just to keep my favorites on storm tracking.
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Well looks like I'll be talking with myself again.No problem.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Who was the one that called Micheal pathetic 3 days ago?>I think the name started with a "W"?

Hmmmmm, well lots called him tiny. He isn't tiny anymore and he's almost a hurricane.
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Quoting Thing342:
I think there should be an auxiliary list of names, used in the same capacity as the Greek list. If a name from the auxiliary list merited retirement, it would be replaced as normal.


Actually, I was kidding, guys and gals. We have 26 letters in the English alphabet and 24 letters in the Greek alphabet. The first thing we'd do is use Eeglish letters that aren't used now, like X and Q. That would give us the full 26 letters. So that's 50 letters altogether. It's hard to imagine a season with 50 named storms bit, even if that became the new normal, it would take decades to have enough retired to make any difference. Like I said, I'm sure there's a donut munching NHC committee working on this now. :)
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Who was the one that called Micheal pathetic 3 days ago?>I think the name started with a "W"?
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Quoting TomballTXPride:

You should be you should be you should be. Tell her Dad!!!


No problem, Bud.
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Quoting allancalderini:
Michael may become the 7 hurricane of the season I told people to never understimate what could Michael could do may be another Kirk.


GFDL and HWRF calls for Michael to be a cat 3 eventually.


I still think they gave it TD status early, but makes little difference now, dynamite in small packages, eh?
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Or maybe they could just skip over it? And then if they were to run out of the Greek Alphabet the third tier names could come into effect and for that I would go back to using the Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet.
I think there should be an auxiliary list of names, used in the same capacity as the Greek list. If a name from the auxiliary list merited retirement, it would be replaced as normal.
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Quoting Grothar:


Old blog joke. Anytime something new comes up, there is always a fight as to who saw it first. :)


Yes, I know...like the shower curtain. :) Really, though, you usually do see things first, especially links to obscure and changing model runs. You must have a huge list of favorites.
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Quoting number4steel:
my appologizes to nova scotia, i have a global warming question/ the artic has not always been frozen has it? if so how did all that plant matter that makes up the perma frost grow ?



1, The plants died a very, very long time ago (would vary somewhat by region).

Makes little difference what caused it, but pick a super -eruption or a meteor in the "relatively recent" geological past:

Toba
Taupo
Barringer Crater
Yellowstone
Any number of unknown volcanic collapses* or meteors.

Hawaii has evidence of a volcanic collapse that would have been one of the largest geologic events known.

Those are decent candidates for some of it I guess.

Probably no one event is to blame.

2, Some "Fossil Fuels" are mis-classified, as Methane exists in a stable form in enormous quantities on other planets and moons in our solar system, which clearly do not have life on them, nor were they ever capable of supporting life. So it's quite possible that much of this material has been where it is since the planet existed, or at least for a very long time and may not even be related to life in some cases.


Note:

Point 2 above is not acknowledged by the majority of mainstream scientists, even though I can point to Titan as absolute proof that it is possible.
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Quoting NovaScotia33:


Just so you know I am from Nova Scotia nd do not feel that way at all. The Americans are our friends, neighbours and allies. We go to war for each other and with each other. I have many good friends and relatives in the USA. Anytime I have asked for information on here regarding potential impacts to Canada my American brothers and sisters have been very accomodating. Did it ever occur to you that myabe the reason that there is more talk about storms around the Gulf and FLA is because there are more POSTERS here from those areas?
I want to apologize to my American friends. This person does NOT represent me or most Canadians!


Thanks and most of us know that,I have too many friends in Canada,so I know that is not a feeling held by most Canadians.Hoping you guys up there miss this one.
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For the first time this season we could have two hurricanes to track at the same time :).Micheal pulling a Kirk.
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BULLETIN
HURRICANE LESLIE ADVISORY NUMBER 26
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122012
500 PM AST WED SEP 05 2012

...HURRICANE LESLIE DRIFTING ERRATICALLY NORTHWARD...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...25.9N 62.7W
ABOUT 460 MI...740 KM SSE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 360 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...987 MB...29.15 INCHES
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Quoting CocoaLove:
OMG!! The bottom has fallen out of the sky over here. What the heck is going on? :(


You should be listening to a weather radio or be checking current warnings on your computer or smartphone. There are severe thunderstorm and tornado warnings out for various parts of south Florida. If you're not already, get into something sturdy until you check the warnings. You can do so here from the US Severe Alerts link at the top of this page. You should do that before wasting any more time posting here.
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Quoting ILwthrfan:


St. Louis will be lucky to reach 90 today. They goofed a bit on the forecast for today, but thats what happens when overnight storms decide to do things of their own nature.

Saturday & Sunday Total QPF Forecast...
I'm sure the Cards and Mets were happy they were wrong. Sun is out now, but no way it heats up that much. Glad it was cloudy, need the rain more than the heat, but does sound like it will cool considerably this weekend.
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Quoting Hurricanes305:
Hearing some of the biggest lighting strikes in quite some time!


Lightning strikes can be quite loud (sarcasm flag) Stay safe.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Hurricane Beta probably came close to being retired.


Hmm...that an interesting issue. The Greek alphabet has 24 characters, so I don't think we'll run out of them any time soon. However, if we keep having these abnormally busy seasons, some Greek names will get retired. I'm sure the NHC has a committee eating donuts and working on this now. :)
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Quoting washingaway:
LOL




yeah, I noticed the weather channel selectively deleted all of the western curving ones from their presentation, and didn't even mention the GFS at all.

I guess they are doing the "hope the model is wrong" thing again...until at least another run or two...
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OMG!! The bottom has fallen out of the sky over here. What the heck is going on? :(
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Michael may become the 7 hurricane of the season I told people to never understimate what could Michael could do may be another Kirk.
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HURRICANE LESLIE FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 26
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122012
2100 UTC WED SEP 05 2012

THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.

INTERESTS IN BERMUDA SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF LESLIE.

HURRICANE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 25.9N 62.7W AT 05/2100Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 15 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE NORTH OR 360 DEGREES AT 2 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 987 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 65 KT WITH GUSTS TO 80 KT.
64 KT....... 20NE 20SE 15SW 15NW.
50 KT....... 60NE 60SE 30SW 40NW.
34 KT.......150NE 200SE 60SW 140NW.
12 FT SEAS..330NE 210SE 120SW 330NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 25.9N 62.7W AT 05/2100Z
AT 05/1800Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 25.8N 62.7W

FORECAST VALID 06/0600Z 26.1N 62.8W
MAX WIND 70 KT...GUSTS 85 KT.
64 KT... 20NE 20SE 15SW 15NW.
50 KT... 70NE 50SE 30SW 50NW.
34 KT...150NE 200SE 70SW 150NW.

FORECAST VALID 06/1800Z 26.5N 63.0W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.
64 KT... 20NE 20SE 20SW 20NW.
50 KT... 80NE 60SE 40SW 60NW.
34 KT...160NE 200SE 90SW 150NW.

FORECAST VALID 07/0600Z 26.8N 63.1W
MAX WIND 80 KT...GUSTS 100 KT.
64 KT... 25NE 25SE 25SW 25NW.
50 KT... 90NE 70SE 50SW 70NW.
34 KT...180NE 200SE 100SW 160NW.

FORECAST VALID 07/1800Z 27.2N 63.4W
MAX WIND 85 KT...GUSTS 105 KT.
50 KT...100NE 80SE 60SW 80NW.
34 KT...200NE 200SE 110SW 170NW.

FORECAST VALID 08/1800Z 29.3N 64.4W
MAX WIND 90 KT...GUSTS 110 KT.
50 KT...100NE 90SE 70SW 90NW.
34 KT...220NE 220SE 140SW 180NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 175 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 225 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 09/1800Z 34.0N 64.4W
MAX WIND 95 KT...GUSTS 115 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 10/1800Z 42.0N 61.0W
MAX WIND 85 KT...GUSTS 105 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 25.9N 62.7W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 06/0300Z

$$
FORECASTER STEWART
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Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


I called them. I was getting worried because it was the 10th call and no one there picked up... Good thing my sister has a cellphone and she told me they all are out of power. A nearby hospital collapsed thanks to the lord people evacuated it on time. Many bridges are collapsed, many roads are severely cracked and mudslides washed them out in some spots... they can't do anything now but Help is on the way. Just two people in the area suffered injuries from things collapsing as they rushed out of their houses she told me but they are all fine. Thanks to God no one died. thanks for asking...


Press your law makers for building codes forbidding brick facade above the first floor, whether inside or out.

In an Earthquake, multi-storied brick facade is a death trap and a damage amplifier because it falls down on people or their cars and stuff.

Alternatively, you could press for codes to require old buildings to be retrofitted with carbon fiber and epoxy wrap, which will prevent the brick facade from falling, assuming it is wrapped continuously. This is one of the options I've seen California using to try to prevent damage from future quakes from brick buildings collapsing.
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well dinnertime..see ya all later..stay safe out there
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Quoting RTSplayer:



I've asked about that issue with no positive response. i.e. "Greek Alphabet Storm needs retirement".

My suggestion was to have a third tier of names to replace the Greek alphabet, should they be retired.


Besides, in the event of super-hyper-active seasons during AGW, 50 or more names may eventually be required in a single season.
Or maybe they could just skip over it? And then if they were to run out of the Greek Alphabet the third tier names could come into effect and for that I would go back to using the Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet.
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my appologizes to nova scotia, i have a global warming question/ the artic has not always been frozen has it? if so how did all that plant matter that makes up the perma frost grow ?
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Quoting sar2401:


You always see things first. For a guy from the Stone Age, you're pretty fast. :)


Old blog joke. Anytime something new comes up, there is always a fight as to who saw it first. :)
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
437 PM EDT WED SEP 5 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MIAMI HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
EASTERN BROWARD COUNTY IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
EXTREME NORTHEASTERN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

* UNTIL 500 PM EDT

* AT 433 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND
DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
SOUTHWEST RANCHES...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.

* THE STORM WILL AFFECT...
SOUTHWEST RANCHES...
DAVIE...
NOVA SOUTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY...
PLANTATION...
LAUDERHILL...
AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

AN OFF DUTY METEOROLOGIST REPORTED A GUST OF 60 MPH AT 434 PM.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS STORM HAS A HISTORY OF PRODUCING WIDESPREAD WIND DAMAGE. THIS IS
AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION. SEEK SHELTER NOW INSIDE A STURDY
STRUCTURE AND STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS!
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Quoting Hurricanes305:
Hearing some of the biggest lighting strikes in quite some time!
Stay safe my friend.
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Quoting Hurricanes305:
Hearing some of the biggest lighting strikes in quite some time!
some bad storm lines down there alright
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Hurricane Beta probably came close to being retired.



I've asked about that issue with no positive response. i.e. "Greek Alphabet Storm needs retirement".

My suggestion was to have a third tier of names to replace the Greek alphabet, should they be retired.


Besides, in the event of super-hyper-active seasons during AGW, 50 or more names may eventually be required in a single season.
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Hearing some of the biggest lighting strikes in quite some time!
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Quoting AegirsGal:
It is unfortunate that you feel that way, because it isn't true...


Just so you know I am from Nova Scotia nd do not feel that way at all. The Americans are our friends, neighbours and allies. We go to war for each other and with each other. I have many good friends and relatives in the USA. Anytime I have asked for information on here regarding potential impacts to Canada my American brothers and sisters have been very accomodating. Did it ever occur to you that myabe the reason that there is more talk about storms around the Gulf and FLA is because there are more POSTERS here from those areas?
I want to apologize to my American friends. This person does NOT represent me or most Canadians!
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