The odds of a hurricane spoiling the Republican National Convention in Tampa

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:48 PM GMT on August 14, 2012

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On September 25, 1848, the Great Gale of 1848, the most violent hurricane in Tampa's history, roared ashore as a Category 3 or 4 hurricane with 115 - 135 mph winds. Major R. D. S. Wade weathered the storm in Fort Brooke, in what is now downtown Tampa. Here is what he wrote this to his commanding officer in Washington D.C.: "The waters rose to an unprecedented height, and the waves swept away the wharves and all the buildings that were near the Bay or river." A 15-foot storm surge was observed at Fort Brooke, and the peninsula where St. Petersburg lies in Pinellas County was inundated "at the waist" and "the bays met," making St. Petersburg an island. After the hurricane, "Tampa was a scene of devastation. Magnificent old oaks were toppled by the hurricane's winds. At Fort Brooke the barracks, horse shed, and other structures were gone. The pine forest north of the garrison was filled with wreckage and debris. The hurricane's powerful surge had shifted sand all along the coast and reshaped many of the keys near Tampa Bay. Navigation routes were filled in and closed, making charts of the area produced before 1848 almost useless after the hurricane. In terms of intensity and destruction, the 1848 storm remains perhaps the greatest in Tampa's history" (Barnes, 1999.)


Figure 1. Pencil sketch of the Captains' Quarters, drawn by one of the officers stationed at Fort Brooke in 1845. Fort Brooke was one of the largest military establishments in the United States at the time. Image Credit: The Tampa Bay History Center.

Fort Brooke today
Fort Brooke is the current site of the Tampa Bay Convention Center, which hosts the Republican National Convention on August 27 - 30 this year. The convention center is in Evacuation Zone A, which is evacuated for Category 1 hurricanes. The Tampa Bay Times Forum and two major convention hotels--the Tampa Marriott Waterside and the Embassy Suites--are in Evacuation Zone B, which is evacuated for Category 2 hurricanes. In a worst-case Category 4 hurricane, the Convention Center could be immersed in 20 feet of water. Clearly, even a Category 1 hurricane would be enough to spoil the convention. So, what are the odds of a mass evacuation order being issued for Tampa Bay during the convention?


Figure 2. Predicted height above ground of the water from a worst-case Category 4 hurricane in the Tampa Bay region, as computed using NOAA's SLOSH storm surge model. The Tampa Bay convention center would go under 20 feet of water, and St. Petersburg would become an island, as occurred during the 1848 hurricane.


Figure 3. Perhaps the most spectacular hurricane image ever captured: view of Hurricane Elena on September 1, 1985, as seen from the Space Shuttle Discovery. At the time, Elena was a Category 3 hurricane with 125 mph winds, located just 80 miles offshore from Tampa Bay, Florida. The hurricane prompted the largest mass evacuation in Tampa Bay history.

Two mass evacuations in Tampa in the past 25 years
Two hurricanes have prompted mass evacuations of more than 300,000 people from the Tampa Bay area over the past 25 years. The first was Hurricane Elena of 1985, a Category 3 hurricane that stalled 80 miles offshore for two days on Labor Day weekend, bringing a 6 - 7 foot storm surge, wind gusts of 80 mph, and torrential rains. On August 13, 2004, another mass evacuation was ordered for Hurricane Charley. Thanks to a late track shift, Charley missed Tampa Bay, and instead hit well to the south in Port Charlotte as a Category 4 storm with 150 mph winds. More limited evacuations of low-lying areas and mobile homes in the 4-county Tampa Bay region were ordered for three other hurricanes in the past fifteen years--Hurricane Georges of 1998, Hurricane Frances of 2004, and Hurricane Jeanne of 2004. Other historical storms which would likely trigger mass evacuations were they occur today include:

The 1921 hurricane. One of only two major hurricanes to hit Tampa, this Category 3 storm brought a storm tide of 10.5 feet.

Hurricane Easy of 1950. The hurricane parked itself over the west coast of Florida, drenching residents with record-breaking rains, and brought a 6.5 ft storm surge to Tampa Bay.


Figure 4. Damage to Bayshore Boulevard after the 1921 Tampa Bay hurricane. The road leads to the Tampa Bay Convention Center from the south.


Figure 5. Track of the Tampa Bay Hurricane of 1921, one of only two major hurricanes ever to hit the city. This Category 3 storm with 115 mph winds brought a storm tide of 10.5 feet to Tampa Bay.


Figure 6. A near miss: just a slight deviation in the path of Hurricane Charley of 2004 would have brought the Category 4 hurricane into Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay's vulnerability to hurricanes
Tampa Bay doesn't get hit very often by hurricanes. The last time it suffered a direct hit by any hurricane was 1946, when a Category 1 storm came up through the bay. The Tampa Bay Hurricane of October 25, 1921 was a the last major hurricane to make landfall in the Tampa Bay Region. At that time, there were 160,000 residents in the 4-county region, most of whom lived in communities on high ground. Today there are 2.75 million residents in the region, most of whom live along the coast and low-lying areas or in manufactured housing. About 1/3 of the 4-county Tampa Bay region lies within a flood plain. Over 800,000 people live in evacuation zones for a Category 1 hurricane, and 2 million people live in evacuation zones for a Category 5 hurricane, according to the 2010 Statewide Regional Evacuation Study for the Tampa Bay Region. Given that only 46% of the people in the evacuation zones for a Category 1 hurricane evacuated when Category 4 Hurricane Charley threatened the region, the potential for hundreds or thousands of people to die when the next major hurricane hits the region is high. In the long run, I expect a multi-billion dollar sea wall will be built to protect Tampa Bay from storm surges, since sea level rise will make storm surge damages increasingly problematic. A 2007 study by Tufts University titled, Florida and Climate Change, found that a 2.25 foot increase in sea level--which many sea level rise scientists expect will happen by the end of the century--would put 152,000 people in Pinellas County (where St. Petersburg is located) at risk of inundation.

The hurricane forecast for the Republican National Convention
Given that there have been two mass evacuations of Tampa during the past 25 years during the peak three-month period of hurricane season--August, September, and October--history suggests that the odds of a mass evacuation order being given during the 4-day period that the Republican National Convention is in town are probably around 0.2%. Any tropical waves which might develop into hurricanes that could hit Tampa during the convention would have to come off the coast of Africa next week. Looking at the latest 16-day forecast from the GFS, all of the tropical waves coming off of Africa next week are predicted to exit too far north to make the long crossing of the Atlantic and threaten the Gulf Coast. While something could develop in the Gulf of Mexico from the remains of an old cold front, it is rare for such storms to grow strong enough to deserve mass evacuations. So far, early signs point to a hurricane-free Republican National Convention at the end of August.

References
Barnes, J., 1999, Florida’s Hurricane History. The University of North Carolina Press.

Weisberg, R.H, and L. Zheng, 2006, "Hurricane storm surge simulations for Tampa Bay", Estuaries and Coasts Vol 29, No. 6A, pp 899-913.

History of Pasco County: The 1921 Hurricane

The 2010 Statewide Regional Evacuation Study for the Tampa Bay Region

The Tampa Bay Catastrophic Plan for a Category 5 $250 billion hurricane

Jeff Masters

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686. washingtonian115
10:55 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
(sniff sniff) well if Isaac is a weak storm at least I have Kirk to look forward to...
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685. WxGeekVA
10:55 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The Cape Verde forms before the one in the Gulf...Isaac would be the weak Gulf TS.

Do you know how bad that would ruin the history of I storms?


True...
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684. MrMixon
10:55 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting Tazmanian:
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY
359 PM EDT TUE AUG 14 201

.LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/..


BY LATE IN THE WEEKEND AND THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK...AN
OVERALL UPPER PATTERN SETS UP WITH A MEAN UPPER TROUGH OVER EASTERN
NORTH AMERICA. IN FACT...IF THIS PATTERN WERE TO SET UP IN THE
WINTER...WITH AN UPPER LOW IN THE VICINITY OF HUDSON BAY...IT COULD
FAVOR POTENTIAL EAST COAST SNOWSTORMS.
BUT IT IS SUMMER...AND LITTLE
PIECES OF UPPER ENERGY ARE PREDICTED TO TRACK WITHIN THE SOUTHERN
PERIPHERY OF THE UPPER TROUGH...SUPPORTING OCCASIONAL PERIODS OF
SHOWERS AND STORMS AND OCCASIONAL PERIODS OF DRY WEATHER.


Hey Taz, is there a way to search through all AFDs for the U.S.?
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683. jascott1967
10:55 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting GTcooliebai:
It means we get Isaac as a Tropical Storm in the Gulf:



I could live with that, little wind, nice rain to cool things off in Texas.
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682. Tribucanes
10:54 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Scary stuff in Texas and many states. West Nile is now causing a state of emergency in Texas. Almost 700 affected and 20 fatalities so far nation wide. Dallas/Ft.Worth being the hardest hit. So bad officials are going door to door in the hardest hit areas of Texas to warn the public. Jason/Cyber I agree with you both in aspects. Earlier today Wonderkidcayman lashed out, and to be honest he probably really overdid his projections on TD07; only in the sheer amount of posts he did on it. Many were annoyed he hyped TD07 and exTD07 endlessly when none of the pros or models did. I agree with you Teddy that he's entitled to his opinion. Didn't bother me at all. And in Wonderkidcayman's defense, he realized he was over the top with some of his comments and sincerely apologized to Taz and others. He's not a troll of wishcaster, just very excitable. Blog has been on topic and virtually troll free for weeks now. Friendly and respectful too, days like today happen. Just a reflection of the state of America today.
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681. WxGeekVA
10:54 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting Tazmanian:
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY
359 PM EDT TUE AUG 14 201

.LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/..


BY LATE IN THE WEEKEND AND THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK...AN
OVERALL UPPER PATTERN SETS UP WITH A MEAN UPPER TROUGH OVER EASTERN
NORTH AMERICA. IN FACT...IF THIS PATTERN WERE TO SET UP IN THE
WINTER...WITH AN UPPER LOW IN THE VICINITY OF HUDSON BAY...IT COULD
FAVOR POTENTIAL EAST COAST SNOWSTORMS. BUT IT IS SUMMER...AND LITTLE
PIECES OF UPPER ENERGY ARE PREDICTED TO TRACK WITHIN THE SOUTHERN
PERIPHERY OF THE UPPER TROUGH...SUPPORTING OCCASIONAL PERIODS OF
SHOWERS AND STORMS AND OCCASIONAL PERIODS OF DRY WEATHER.


BUT IT IS SUMMER...
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680. TropicalAnalystwx13
10:54 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Gordon: 93L
Helene: GOM storm
Isaac: Recurving storm
Joyce: Heading towards Antilles


What did I miss?

The Cape Verde forms before the one in the Gulf...Isaac would be the weak Gulf TS.

Do you know how bad that would ruin the history of I storms?
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679. GTcooliebai
10:54 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
372 hrs. and Joyce is intensifying to a Hurricane in the Central Atlantic continuing on a westward track. Anyways this is a long ways out and first thing is first, 93L.

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678. Altestic2012
10:53 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting washingtonian115:
Isaac a weak tropical storm in the gulf???.Waaaaaaah!!!.I don't want that to happen :(.

If a powerful Hurricane Isaac makes it into the gulf, you better pray for the hook-shaped area to save us:

Link
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677. wunderkidcayman
10:53 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting CybrTeddy:
@clwstmchasr. Let's see, judging by the fact he lives in the Cayman islands.. I'd say quite a few. Probably more than most of us.

Listen guys, lay off of wunderkidcayman. I'm sick of seeing him bashed on here. His opinion is no less valid than yours, get off your high horse and learn to respect it. If you really have a problem with him, just ignore him - but he isn't a troll, a wishcaster, or any of the such. He wants to learn and discuss weather and he actually contributes.

thank you


Quoting jascott1967:


He is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to disagree with him without him calling people names. When he does that, like he called Taz a dummy earlier he asking for the criticism.

So with all due respect, before you begin to blame us and make accusations I suggest you read the history of todays blog.


My comments was a results of people bashing me so if you think about it

"if you hit a propaine tank enough the valve cap will blow off and explosion."

well I was the tank. ok all of that done lets all end this foolishness about bashing other people and getting them to war over them and lets get back to the matter at hand the tropics
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676. Hurricanes101
10:53 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Doesn't really matter at this point since there's nothing out there but shear has come way up in the Eastern Caribbean... Anything trying to get in there will be ripped apart if it stays this way:



There isnt anything trying to get in there right now that has any chance of developing anyway, so to me it point is moot
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675. WalkingInTheSun
10:53 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting Abacosurf:
Looks like hope for Texas rain fall if that pans out. This run showed it getting just slightly more offshore which could spell trouble. We'll see. Maybe extd7 can finally live up to his expectations....for some.



Well, GOM could get VERY active, if that low develops, then Ex-TD7 passes to the BOC or GOM.
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674. TXCWC
10:52 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting Abacosurf:
Looks like hope for Texas rain fall if that pans out. This run showed it getting just slightly more offshore which could spell trouble. We'll see. Maybe extd7 can finally live up to his expectations....for some.



Rain is still there and it does still come ashore with rains - just a weaker system showing on this particular run when it does come ashore than on previous runs. Plenty of time for more changes in the model forecast in the runs and days ahead. All that really matters right now is that GFS still has the system near the Mex/Texas Coasts.
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672. ncstorm
10:52 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Could tease the forecasters like Debby and drift around before making its move.


umm..Texas or Florida scenario..nooooo
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671. MrMixon
10:51 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting Tazmanian:
YAHOO YAY YAY YAY YAY


the 1st adf of the season too have snow word on it


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RIVERTON WY
302 PM MDT TUE AUG 14 2012


BOTH THE ABSAROKAS AND WIND RIVERS
TO PRODUCE LOWER CLOUDS...FOG AND AT LEAST SOME LIGHT SHOWERS WITH
A LITTLE SNOW ABOVE 10K. THE BEST BET OF MEASURABLE SNOW STILL
LOOKS TO BE OVER THE BIGHORNS ABOVE 10K TOMORROW AFTERNOON




there is all so a small ch of snow in the mts of MT with this cool spell comeing down ahhh its that time of year


Nice! I share your excitement and look forward to the first mention of snow for Colorado. Our temp got down into the mid-40s a few nights ago (at ~8300' amsl) so it's just around the corner...

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670. MAweatherboy1
10:51 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Doesn't really matter at this point since there's nothing out there but shear has come way up in the Eastern Caribbean... Anything trying to get in there will be ripped apart if it stays this way:

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669. WxGeekVA
10:50 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting STXHurricanes2012:

You miss one in the gom earlier in the run! So it could be the K name.


Gordon: 93L
Helene: GOM storm
Isaac: Recurving storm
Joyce: Heading towards Antilles


What did I miss?
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668. washingtonian115
10:50 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Isaac a weak tropical storm in the gulf???.Waaaaaaah!!!.I don't want that to happen :(.
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667. Altestic2012
10:50 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
I want Isaac to threaten the U.S. so Zell Miller can get a good workout at the time of the RNC this year.
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666. GTcooliebai
10:50 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting TXCWC:
Big rains still showing for Gulf System on 18Z GFS just shifted east...on this run

Could tease the forecasters like Debby and drift around before making its move.
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665. WalkingInTheSun
10:49 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting STXHurricanes2012:
I find it funny cause the gfs does develop the boc low then it meanders around then goes nne a bit then develops and moves west into tx.


Maybe that's the storm I've been expecting for the central TX coast. (Interesting story about that.)
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664. Abacosurf
10:49 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Looks like hope for Texas rain fall if that pans out. This run showed it getting just slightly more offshore which could spell trouble. We'll see. Maybe extd7 can finally live up to his expectations....for some.

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663. SouthFLNative
10:47 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
2 fish storms
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662. STXHurricanes2012
10:47 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting WxGeekVA:


348... Isaac out to sea, Joyce heading toward the Antilles.

You miss one in the gom earlier in the run! So it could be the K name.
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661. ncstorm
10:47 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
"something" is coming..

updated HPC map
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660. WalkingInTheSun
10:45 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Hey hey hey...that's not gonna work.

Isaac cannot just be a weak tropical storm that moves into Texas. It needs to be a long tracked Cape Verde storm that recurves.


Maybe it'll work. It could meander around in the GOM for awhile to play headgames with all the forecasters.
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659. TXCWC
10:45 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Big rains still showing for Gulf System on 18Z GFS just shifted east...on this run

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658. bigwes6844
10:44 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
i see a lot of recurving. lets see if that high is strong or weak by next week. looks very interesting though
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657. JLPR2
10:44 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
And there it goes with an intensifying hurricane headed west/west-northwest. Shows it towards the end of every run, lol.



Heading into the peak of the Season, that could be the big one, if it does materialize. :\
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656. Hurricanes101
10:44 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:


More disappointment when they twiddle about and don't form?! ;p


SAL; which as of now is the only major impediment out there; is going to be quite less than it is now when those storms are out there
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655. WxGeekVA
10:44 PM GMT on August 14, 2012


348... Isaac out to sea, Joyce heading toward the Antilles.
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654. hurrtracker1994
10:44 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
those models that far out are useless

model dipiction is normally good till 120hr mark
max 144 after that its mostly fantasy


I would have to agree. I even asked some of the forecasters at NHC whether or not they even regarded those models. They said pretty much the same thing. After the 5 day mark they are useless. First they try to deal with the cyclogenesis with an existing disturbance.
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653. ncstorm
10:43 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
the 18z GFS was more south than the 12z and more west at the 192 hours

18z


12z

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652. TropicalAnalystwx13
10:43 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
And there it goes with an intensifying hurricane headed west/west-northwest. Shows it towards the end of every run, lol.

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651. mitthbevnuruodo
10:42 PM GMT on August 14, 2012
Quoting GTcooliebai:
120 hrs. Gordon & Helene, y'all know what that means?



More disappointment when they twiddle about and don't form?! ;p
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This one may head more west:

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
312 hours and a new storm is taking place.



possible low in the gulf too
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those models that far out are useless

model dipiction is normally good till 120hr mark
max 144 after that its mostly fantasy
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

No, it's 18z, the 6z and 18z runs were almost identical.

Lol, read the bottom. It's 06Z.
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Quoting STXHurricanes2012:
ok now its being silly...silly gfs has the precip on the east side? Doesn't make that much sense.


If it's due to go N, it makes sense, as that would be the "dirty" side of the storm - higher winds & rains, both.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


That's 06Z...

No, it's 18z, the 6z and 18z runs were almost identical.
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I find it funny cause the gfs does develop the boc low then it meanders around then goes nne a bit then develops and moves west into tx.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
312 hours and a new storm is taking place.

We'll probably be up to Joyce by then.
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
@clwstmchasr. Let's see, judging by the fact he lives in the Cayman islands.. I'd say quite a few. Probably more than most of us.

Listen guys, lay off of wunderkidcayman. I'm sick of seeing him bashed on here. His opinion is no less valid than yours, get off your high horse and learn to respect it. If you really have a problem with him, just ignore him - but he isn't a troll, a wishcaster, or any of the such. He wants to learn and discuss weather and he actually contributes.


He is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to disagree with him without him calling people names. When he does that, like he called Taz a dummy earlier he asking for the criticism.

So with all due respect, before you begin to blame us and make accusations I suggest you read the history of todays blog.
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312 hours and a new storm is taking place.

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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
252 hours- Harmlessly out to sea:



That's 06Z...
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Quoting ncstorm:


how did you get 252 hours already?

The map I use is in the quick plots. It loads faster than the standard ones.
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


strong one
we have to wait till its over water
at the right height
we have to wait to see

next update of image is around 9 pm
yea please post it too because that could be huge if it stays in tact
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
252 hours- Harmlessly out to sea:



how did you get 252 hours already?
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