Category 4 Typhoon Vicente hits China

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:40 PM GMT on July 24, 2012

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Typhoon Vicente powered ashore about 60 miles (100 km) southwest of Macao, China Monday at 19:30 UTC as a dangerous Category 4 typhoon with 135 mph winds. The typhoon brought sustained winds of 58 mph with a peak wind gust of 83 mph to Hong Kong, and sustained winds of 55 mph with a peak wind gust of 76 mph to Macao. No deaths are being blamed on the typhoon, but 118 were injured, and the storm is dumping very heavy rains over Southeast China that will cause serious flooding.


Figure 1. Radar image of Vicente at landfall 60 miles (100 km) southwest of Hong Kong, China. Image credit: Hong Kong Observatory.


Figure 2. Firemen investigate the collapsed scaffolding caused by typhoon Vicente at a residential building in Hong Kong Tuesday, July 24, 2012. The strongest typhoon to hit Hong Kong in 13 years swirled into southern China as a tropical storm Tuesday, still potent enough for mainland authorities to order the evacuation of tens of thousands of people and warn residents of possible flooding. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

A hurricane forecasters' nightmare
Vicente was an example of a hurricane forecaster's nightmare. In six hours, Vicente strengthened from a Category 1 typhoon with 80 mph winds to a Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Even twelve hours before this remarkable burst of intensification, there was little indication that Vicente would undergo rapid intensification. It is very fortunate the the typhoon missed a direct hit on the heavily populated areas of Hong Kong and Macao, because there was no time to evacuate all the people who would have needed to leave for the impact of a Category 4 storm--particularly since the storm hit at night. If a similar type of storm were to affect a vulnerable area of the U.S. coast such as the Florida Keys, New Orleans, Houston/Galveston, or Tampa Bay, the death toll could easily be in the thousands. I have great hopes that the Hurricane Forecast Improvement Program (HFIP), currently in year three of a ten-year effort aimed at improving hurricane intensity forecasts by 50%, will be able to give us tools to be able to predict rapid intensification events like Vicente's several days in advance. However, we are still many years from being able to predict such events, and the hurricane forecasters' nightmare storm is still a very real possibility.

Atlantic to get more active?
NHC is giving a disturbance along a frontal boundary 600 miles east-northeast of Bermuda a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression, but this system is not a threat to any land areas. Recent runs of both the GFS and NOGAPS models have predicted that tropical waves coming off the coast of Africa late this week and early next week could show some development. These predictions have not been consistent, but we are getting towards the time of year when we need to start watching the tropical waves coming off of Africa.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting StormTracker2K:


If have Cape Verde storms forming now then the month of August could be down right ugly for some along the US coastline.


Take it easy.
There is no Tropical Storm there, yet.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Good question. I'm looking it up right now.

Comment #349
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About 175,000 ComEd customers were without electrical power in the Chicago area and blinking traffic lights and debris on train tracks slowed the morning commute for thousands, a ComEd spokeswoman said. Downed trees and broken limbs were reported throughout the metropolitan region.


The biggest threat is Losing the Elderly to the Heat.
Its only 12:28 pm there.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Wow good job wunderkidcayman, certainly we are getting close to that time of the year, our saving grace will have to be El Nino and imo it will need to be stronger than weak and come sooner rather than later, and from what I've been seeing posted on hear it is taking its precious time.

Good catch KID! Our first catch of the day!
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so wish is 98L?
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Quoting Patrap:


I'm from Nawlin's, we eat nothing from a can I can assure you.

And I have 3 Bikes..


LOL..I wish you would post some Cajun shrimp that we could eat.....and creole rice..:)
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Wow good job wunderkidcayman, certainly we are getting close to that time of the year, our saving grace will have to be El Nino and imo it will need to be stronger than weak and come sooner rather than later, and from what I've been seeing posted on hear it is taking its precious time.


If have Cape Verde storms forming now then the month of August could be down right ugly for some along the US coastline.

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Quoting GTcooliebai:
Wow good job wunderkidcayman, certainly we are getting close to that time of the year, our saving grace will have to be El Nino and imo it will need to be stronger than weak and come sooner rather than later, and from what I've been seeing posted on hear it is taking its precious time.


From the Aussie/Met Enso outlook from last week:

Climate Models:
Most international climate models surveyed by the Bureau, predict that the equatorial Pacific Ocean is likely to reach El Niño thresholds sometime between late winter and spring 2012. However, many of the surveyed models continue to indicate that there is a strong possibility that the event will remain marginal (i.e. on the boundary between warm-neutral and weak El Niño conditions), and not develop further by the end of the year.

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ok 98L is out and I say 99L should be the E atl low very very soon also I say the E atl low should have a yellow circle on it with 10% or 20% on the TWO
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The NHC wont tag anything just off the African coast until they see it persist a few days.

The NAVY NRL declares invests, not the NHC.
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Quoting wunderkidcayman:
sign #1 blues off of Africa



sign #2 Sat in EAtl


sign #3 Models (you don't need me to show you I know you have already seen it)

sign #4 TCHP
Now


last year


2010


2008


2005

(now with the TCHP look at the Caribbean. This year is higher than any of these other years notice the strong red and even whites for this year in a good portion of the NW Carib)

looks like war is about to begin
Wow good job wunderkidcayman, certainly we are getting close to that time of the year, our saving grace will have to be El Nino and imo it will need to be stronger than weak and come sooner rather than later, and from what I've been seeing posted on hear it is taking its precious time.
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The 12Z NAM for today,

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Quoting Neapolitan:
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Right on cue with my last post and we should have another invest maybe later today from this African Wave.

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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
VAC165-171-WVC031-241745-
/O.NEW.KLWX.SV.W.0225.120724T1701Z-120724T1745Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
101 PM EDT TUE JUL 24 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY IN WESTERN VIRGINIA...
SHENANDOAH COUNTY IN NORTHWEST VIRGINIA...
HARDY COUNTY IN EASTERN WEST VIRGINIA...

* UNTIL 145 PM EDT

* AT 1259 PM EDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS DETECTED 11 MILES NORTH
OF MATHIAS...OR NEAR MOOREFIELD...AND WAS MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 35
MPH. THIS STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF
60 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
MATHIAS...
MOUNT JACKSON...

THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM. IF YOU ARE IN ITS PATH...PREPARE
IMMEDIATELY FOR DAMAGING WIND GUSTS...LARGE HAIL AND FREQUENT CLOUD
TO GROUND LIGHTNING. MOVE INDOORS TO A STURDY BUILDING AND STAY AWAY
FROM WINDOWS.

LAT...LON 3887 7835 3856 7883 3901 7904 3910 7880
TIME...MOT...LOC 1702Z 317DEG 31KT 3902 7887
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Quoting Neapolitan:
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AL, 98, 2012072418, , BEST, 0, 360N, 550W, 35, 1007, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 30, 40, 40, 1013, 100, 35, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M,

98L!!!!! I'm so happy right now. =D
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Quoting Thrawst:
Has there ever been a subtropical storm in the Eastern Pacific?


Good question. I'm looking it up right now.
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Quoting Patrap:
Nothing quite like a Large Haboob.



Imagine all that dust getting into machinery of any sort. Reminds me of volcanic ash intrusion after that large eruption in Iceland (the name no one can pronounce or spell).
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Let the fun...

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top row is 2000s
below is 1990s,
below is 1980s, etc
the maps show areas of US in drought.
Check out this year, 2006 adn 2002, and the 1930s(which is the row with the nearly covered US)
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Gotta go to the oral surgeon for an appointment.
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Too early to tell if it's a derecho. Early wind reports are indicating it may be. Would have to strengthen and persist throughout parts of the afternoon. We start getting into the low and mid hundreds for wind reports then we may well have another derecho. Starting to bow out more too. Was complaining about the new bulbs earlier; read one comment that may explain it. House I lived in then was built in 1903 and the wiring that we updated was redone by me and the Father-In-Law. Guessing the old wiring and the arc issue are the reason the new bulbs burned out so quickly.
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THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 510 IN EFFECT UNTIL 8 PM EDT THIS EVENING FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS

THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

IN MARYLAND THIS WATCH INCLUDES 13 COUNTIES

IN CENTRAL MARYLAND

ANNE ARUNDEL HOWARD MONTGOMERY PRINCE GEORGES

IN NORTH CENTRAL MARYLAND

CARROLL FREDERICK WASHINGTON

IN NORTHERN MARYLAND

BALTIMORE HARFORD

IN SOUTHERN MARYLAND

CALVERT CHARLES ST. MARYS

IN WESTERN MARYLAND

ALLEGANY

IN VIRGINIA THIS WATCH INCLUDES 23 COUNTIES

IN CENTRAL VIRGINIA

ALBEMARLE GREENE KING GEORGE NELSON ORANGE SPOTSYLVANIA

IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA

ARLINGTON CULPEPER FAIRFAX FAUQUIER LOUDOUN PRINCE WILLIAM STAFFORD

IN NORTHWEST VIRGINIA

CLARKE FREDERICK MADISON PAGE RAPPAHANNOCK SHENANDOAH WARREN

IN WESTERN VIRGINIA

AUGUSTA HIGHLAND ROCKINGHAM

IN WEST VIRGINIA THIS WATCH INCLUDES 8 COUNTIES

IN NORTHEAST WEST VIRGINIA

BERKELEY GRANT HAMPSHIRE HARDY JEFFERSON MINERAL MORGAN PENDLETON

IN MARYLAND THIS WATCH INCLUDES 1 INDEPENDENT CITY

IN NORTHERN MARYLAND

BALTIMORE CITY

IN VIRGINIA THIS WATCH INCLUDES 10 INDEPENDENT CITIES

IN CENTRAL VIRGINIA

CHARLOTTESVILLE CITY OF FREDERICKSBURG

IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA

CITY OF ALEXANDRIA CITY OF FAIRFAX CITY OF FALLS CHURCH CITY OF MANASSAS

IN NORTHWEST VIRGINIA

CITY OF HARRISONBURG CITY OF WINCHESTER

IN WESTERN VIRGINIA

CITY OF STAUNTON CITY OF WAYNESBORO

THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF... ABERDEEN... ANNAPOLIS... ARLINGTON... BAYARD... BEL AIR... BERRYVILLE... CHANTILLY... CHARLES TOWN... CHARLOTTESVILLE... CHESAPEAKE BEACH... COLUMBIA... CULPEPER... CUMBERLAND... DAHLGREN... EDGEWOOD... ELK GARDEN... FALLSTON... FALMOUTH... FORT ASHBY... FRANKLIN... FREDERICK... FRONT ROYAL... GAITHERSBURG... GREENFIELD... HAGERSTOWN... HARRISONBURG... HAVRE DE GRACE... JOPPATOWNE... KEYSER... LAUREL... LEESBURG... LURAY... MADISON... MARTINSBURG... MCLEAN... MONTEREY... MOOREFIELD... MOUNT STORM... ORANGE... PAW PAW... PETERSBURG... RESTON... ROMNEY... SPOTSYLVANIA COURTHOUSE... ST MARYS... STANARDSVILLE... STAUNTON... STERLING... STRASBURG... TOWSON... WALDORF... WARRENTON... WASHINGTON... WASHINGTON... WAYNESBORO... WESTMINSTER... WINCHESTER... WOODBRIDGE AND WOODSTOCK.
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Quoting CJ5:


Unlike a junkie, the world cannot stop using fossil fuels at this time.


Sounds like an excuse I've heard from a addict.
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sign #1 blues off of Africa



sign #2 Sat in EAtl


sign #3 Models (you don't need me to show you I know you have already seen it)

sign #4 TCHP
Now


last year


2010


2008


2005

(now with the TCHP look at the Caribbean. This year is higher than any of these other years notice the strong red and even whites for this year in a good portion of the NW Carib)

looks like war is about to begin
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We should have 2 new invest shortly in the Atlantic Basin. Very interested in seeing the 2pm update.

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TORNADO WARNING
VAC165-171-WVC031-241745-
/O.NEW.KLWX.TO.W.0028.120724T1708Z-120724T1745Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
108 PM EDT TUE JUL 24 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY IN WESTERN VIRGINIA...
SOUTHWESTERN SHENANDOAH COUNTY IN NORTHWEST VIRGINIA...
CENTRAL HARDY COUNTY IN EASTERN WEST VIRGINIA...

* UNTIL 145 PM EDT

* AT 107 PM EDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS 7 MILES NORTH OF MATHIAS...OR 8 MILES SOUTHEAST OF
MOOREFIELD...AND WAS MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
MATHIAS...
MOUNT JACKSON...
TIMBERVILLE...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING AND AVOID WINDOWS. IF OUTDOORS OR IN A MOBILE HOME OR
VEHICLE...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

TORNADOES IN HILLY OR MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN ARE ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS
BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE OR HEAR THE TORNADO APPROACH. TAKE
COVER NOW.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
The models will flip flop around like that..It may have it next run.We just need something to track.Hopefully out to sea.


One could argue that this is already a Tropical Depression.

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1568
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1212 PM CDT TUE JUL 24 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...WRN/CNTRL NC...ERN TN...NRN SC

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 241712Z - 241845Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...60 PERCENT

SUMMARY...THE THREAT FOR SVR THUNDERSTORMS IS INCREASING OVER THE
SRN APPALACHIANS AND ADJACENT PIEDMONT REGION...AND THE ISSUANCE OF
A SVR TSTM WATCH IS POSSIBLE SOUTH OF WW/S 509 AND 510.

DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS OVER SWRN VA HAVE CONGLOMERATED INTO A MORE ORGANIZED LINE OVER SWRN VA...AND ADDITIONAL STORMS WILL LIKELY DEVELOP OVER THE SRN APPALACHIANS DURING THE NEXT FEW HOURS. DESPITE RELATIVELY WEAKER MID-LEVEL FLOW/WEAKER DEEP SHEAR COMPARED TO AREAS FARTHER NORTH...DEEP SHEAR SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR PERSISTENT MULTICELL CLUSTERS AND PERHAPS BOWING LINE SEGMENTS INTO THE AFTERNOON WHILE ADDITIONAL STORMS DEVELOP AMIDST 2500-3500 J/KG OF MLCAPE. AND...WITH DCAPE OVER 1000 J/KG...DMGG WIND GUSTS WILL BE OF CONCERN... ESPECIALLY IF A LARGER-SCALE COLD POOL EVOLVES. SVR HAIL WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.

..COHEN/HART.. 07/24/2012

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
And there's the eye feature.

Almost looks like Grace except further south.
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Quoting GTcooliebai:
hey what happened to the rain, did it evaporate or something?
....................went right over us headed inland
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Quoting Bluestorm5:
Weather experts are calling this a small derecho, but not on the scale of June 29th storm. The storm is still knocking the powers out and producing heavy rain and 70 mph winds. And I'm in the path of it :\
Stay safe out there, limit any driving that you don't have to do, yesterday there was an overturned car and a tractor trailer that had skidded off the road, most likely all due to the rain and slick roadways.
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Thrawst, there was the Unnamed 1975 Pacific Northwest Hurricane.
Not sure if it was subtropical but it is a really interesting storm.

The 1975 Pacific Northwest hurricane was an unusual Pacific tropical cyclone that attained hurricane status farther north than any other Pacific hurricane. It was officially unnamed, with the cargo ship Transcolorado providing vital meteorological data in assessing the storm. The twelfth tropical cyclone of the 1975 Pacific hurricane season, it developed from a cold-core upper-level low merging with the remnants of a tropical cyclone on August 31, well to the northeast of Hawaii. Convection increased as the circulation became better defined, and by early on September 2 it became a tropical storm. Turning to the northeast through an area of warm water temperatures, the storm quickly strengthened, and, after developing an eye, it attained hurricane status late on September 3, while located about 1,200 miles (1,950 km) south of Alaska. After maintaining peak winds for about 18 hours, the storm rapidly weakened, as it interacted with an approaching cold front. Early on September 5, it lost its identity near the coast of Alaska.




Operationally, the hurricane was not classified due to lack of ship confirmation; by the time it became a hurricane, the strongest winds reported by a ship was 40 mph (65 km/h) about 80 miles (130 km) southeast of the center. Additionally, upon developing a closed eyewall, the cyclone was beginning to interact with the frontal system to its west. However, late on September 3, a ship reported a pressure of 1003 mbar with a 3-hour tendency increase of 13.5 mb, suggesting a minimum pressure of under 990 mbar.[2] At the time, the storm maintained a T-number of 4.0, resulting in estimated winds of 75 mph (120 km/h) and an estimated pressure of 987 mbar.[3] Maintaining hurricane status for about 18 hours, the storm continued rapidly northeastward and weakened due to strong wind shear from the approaching cold front. Early on September 5, it is estimated the cyclone became extratropical in the Gulf of Alaska while located about 315 miles (510 km) southwest of Juneau, Alaska. The circulation was rapidly absorbed by the front,[2] and the remnants quickly reached the coast of British Columbia.[3] The remnants of the storm turned southeastward, and was last tracked definitively to a point north of Montana.[2]
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Quoting hydrus:
Whoa.....Vicente was an example of a hurricane forecaster's nightmare. In six hours, Vicente strengthened from a Category 1 typhoon with 80 mph winds to a Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Even twelve hours before this remarkable burst of intensification, there was little indication that Vicente would undergo rapid intensification. It is very fortunate the the typhoon missed a direct hit on the heavily populated areas of Hong Kong and Macao, because there was no time to evacuate all the people who would have needed to leave for the impact of a Category 4 storm-...They hardly had time to duck, nevermind evacuate.
..yes they really got caught offguard
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Quoting AussieStorm:

There is a down side to to many people with solar panels.
Here in Sydney, power prices are going up even though more and more people are having solar panels installed, why? The Govt. subsidised them so in the end, if my neighbour got solar panels, i would end up paying for it in my power bill, even if it's 1cent.
I forgot to mention. We now have the Carbon tax, which is added to the power bill, then the GST is added, so we are paying a tax on a tax. Don't ya just love a money grabbing Govt..


I love a government that is financially responsible to the future and knows that every dollar spent on solar is one less spent on oil and coal.

A bigger problem is balancing demand: surplus and sudden drains are difficult. It will ease somewhat as batteries level the demands, but solar will still need to be augmented for a while. I say this after talking to engineers here in Italy which uses a lot of hydro power that is pretty easy to ramp up.
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And there's the eye feature.

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Quoting GTcooliebai:
hey what happened to the rain, did it evaporate or something?
..lol dunno
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Quoting AussieStorm:
Goodnight all. Stay safe and have your NOAA WX radio if your in the path of this Derecho.
goodnight aussie
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Weather experts are calling this a small derecho, but not on the scale of June 29th storm. The storm is still knocking the powers out and producing heavy rain and 70 mph winds. And I'm in the path of it :\
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Quoting wxchaser97:
Tracking maps that I for the Atlantic/Pacific, please feel free to comment on them.
..well at least the one in the midlantic..is going to move eastward and not towards the USA
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Goodnight all. Stay safe and have your NOAA WX radio if your in the path of this Derecho.
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Link Click for Loop
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Quoting LargoFl:
hey what happened to the rain, did it evaporate or something?
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Nothing quite like a Large Haboob.

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Tracking maps that I made for the Atlantic/Pacific, please feel free to comment on them.
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Whoa.....Vicente was an example of a hurricane forecaster's nightmare. In six hours, Vicente strengthened from a Category 1 typhoon with 80 mph winds to a Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Even twelve hours before this remarkable burst of intensification, there was little indication that Vicente would undergo rapid intensification. It is very fortunate the the typhoon missed a direct hit on the heavily populated areas of Hong Kong and Macao, because there was no time to evacuate all the people who would have needed to leave for the impact of a Category 4 storm-...They hardly had time to duck, nevermind evacuate.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Sociological adaptation is a slow and arduous process; biological adaptation is even more slow and more arduous. Forcing rapid, large-scale adaptation on an organism generally works about as well as stepping on a child's party balloon as a way of forcing it to adapt to your weight.


Popping back in...

I disagree Nea. I think evolution can happen at an extremely rapid pace, within a few generations (though that won't be enough for us.)

Here is how it works: out of a million people born, a few have a body shape that allows them to keep cool, say big ears, extremely thin frame, whatever works. The rest of us die. Those few 'freaks' have a tendency to pass on that gene.

In a few generations, those lucky 100,000 or so can adapt more or less. The rest of us die. Of course, out of those 100,000, there has to be new adaptations to even higher temperatures and changes in diet. But some will probably survive:

The kock borthers with their store of faschist propaganda, and a few other dug in people will become the mole people. All we need is a time machine to tell how it ends.
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