Category 4 Typhoon Vicente hits China

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:40 PM GMT on July 24, 2012

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Typhoon Vicente powered ashore about 60 miles (100 km) southwest of Macao, China Monday at 19:30 UTC as a dangerous Category 4 typhoon with 135 mph winds. The typhoon brought sustained winds of 58 mph with a peak wind gust of 83 mph to Hong Kong, and sustained winds of 55 mph with a peak wind gust of 76 mph to Macao. No deaths are being blamed on the typhoon, but 118 were injured, and the storm is dumping very heavy rains over Southeast China that will cause serious flooding.


Figure 1. Radar image of Vicente at landfall 60 miles (100 km) southwest of Hong Kong, China. Image credit: Hong Kong Observatory.


Figure 2. Firemen investigate the collapsed scaffolding caused by typhoon Vicente at a residential building in Hong Kong Tuesday, July 24, 2012. The strongest typhoon to hit Hong Kong in 13 years swirled into southern China as a tropical storm Tuesday, still potent enough for mainland authorities to order the evacuation of tens of thousands of people and warn residents of possible flooding. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

A hurricane forecasters' nightmare
Vicente was an example of a hurricane forecaster's nightmare. In six hours, Vicente strengthened from a Category 1 typhoon with 80 mph winds to a Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Even twelve hours before this remarkable burst of intensification, there was little indication that Vicente would undergo rapid intensification. It is very fortunate the the typhoon missed a direct hit on the heavily populated areas of Hong Kong and Macao, because there was no time to evacuate all the people who would have needed to leave for the impact of a Category 4 storm--particularly since the storm hit at night. If a similar type of storm were to affect a vulnerable area of the U.S. coast such as the Florida Keys, New Orleans, Houston/Galveston, or Tampa Bay, the death toll could easily be in the thousands. I have great hopes that the Hurricane Forecast Improvement Program (HFIP), currently in year three of a ten-year effort aimed at improving hurricane intensity forecasts by 50%, will be able to give us tools to be able to predict rapid intensification events like Vicente's several days in advance. However, we are still many years from being able to predict such events, and the hurricane forecasters' nightmare storm is still a very real possibility.

Atlantic to get more active?
NHC is giving a disturbance along a frontal boundary 600 miles east-northeast of Bermuda a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression, but this system is not a threat to any land areas. Recent runs of both the GFS and NOGAPS models have predicted that tropical waves coming off the coast of Africa late this week and early next week could show some development. These predictions have not been consistent, but we are getting towards the time of year when we need to start watching the tropical waves coming off of Africa.

Jeff Masters

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683. yoboi
Quoting Tribucanes:
Absolutely Yobi, absolutely. Just have studied colony collapse, and the believed causes have been well documented. We have all become, to a varied extent; brainwashed by our culture, media, and programming. Maybe there is some scientific basis to look at when it comes to wind power and bees flying into them. Maybe there is some reason they do. I honest don't know. Look forward to a scientific approach to looking at that statement you posed. Sorry for the brainwashed comment, just sounded like some of the absolute lies and propaganda Fox spreads. Just sounds completely outrageous on it's face. But, I'm open to looking at the info with an open mind.


i only watch fox news for the women and then the volume is on mute...
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My favorite animation :)



Here is another image of the wave off Africa:

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681. yoboi
Quoting RTSplayer:


Read what I said again.

I didn't say today, but multiple generations.

The expectation of severe droughts or desertification is a problem for many insects because they require liquid water for their eggs or larva, or because they feed on other insects and small organisms who are in the same case.


You need to consider what type of insect and whether there are changes occurring with their prey or predators.

Also, it's not a good thing if destructive PEST insects such as ants, termites, or pine beetles are increasing.

Ever notice those black "Love Bug" insects are gone? I haven't seen one of those things in years. I think the Mosquito mitigation project for West Nile has had the added benefits of eliminating these creatures, but I wonder what else it's killing?


come to louisiana in about a month and i will show ya where all the love bugs went...
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Absolutely Yobi, absolutely. Just have studied colony collapse, and the believed causes have been well documented. We have all become, to a varied extent; brainwashed by our culture, media, and programming. Maybe there is some scientific basis to look at when it comes to wind power and bees flying into them. Maybe there is some reason they do. I honest don't know. Look forward to a scientific approach to looking at that statement you posed. Sorry for the brainwashed comment, just sounded like some of the absolute lies and propaganda Fox spreads. Just sounds completely outrageous on it's face. But, I'm open to looking at the info with an open mind.
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677. yoboi
By Darryl Fears, Published: August 28, 2011The Washington Post Six birds found dead recently in Southern California’s Tehachapi Mountains were majestic golden eagles. But some bird watchers say that in an area where dozens of wind turbines slice the air they were also sitting ducks.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating to determine what killed the big raptors, and declined to divulge the conditions of the remains. But the likely cause of death is no mystery to wildlife biologists who say they were probably clipped by the blades of some of the 80 wind turbines at the three-year-old Pine Tree Wind Farm Project, operated by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.

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.As the Obama administration pushes to develop enough wind power to provide 20 percent of America’s energy by 2030, some bird advocates worry that the grim discovery of the eagles this month will be a far more common occurrence.

Windmills kill nearly half a million birds a year, according to a Fish and Wildlife estimate. The American Bird Conservancy projected that the number could more than double in 20 years if the administration realizes its goal for wind power.

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Eastern Atlantic:

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Quoting Neapolitan:
While the tropics are heating up, but before they reach a full boil, I thought I'd post these graphics dealing with Lake Superior. Sort of amazing, really...

Remember, this is Lake Superior we're talking about. You know, the northernmost of the Great Lakes, the Great White North and all that.

Ouch.
looks like Duluth/North Shore is on it's way to becoming our own Minnesota Riviera ;)
every dip i've ever experienced there has been FAR below those numbers!!
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Quoting LargoFl:
..actually on the science front today, they said this extended heatwave is Great for the insects and they are multiplying rapidly, and the extreme heat is destroying the bacteria that kills insects


Read what I said again.

I didn't say today, but multiple generations.

The expectation of severe droughts or desertification is a problem for many insects because they require liquid water for their eggs or larva, or because they feed on other insects and small organisms who are in the same case.


You need to consider what type of insect and whether there are changes occurring with their prey or predators.

Also, it's not a good thing if destructive PEST insects such as ants, termites, or pine beetles are increasing.

Ever notice those black "Love Bug" insects are gone? I haven't seen one of those things in years. I think the Mosquito mitigation project for West Nile has had the added benefits of eliminating these creatures, but I wonder what else it's killing?
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
11PM EDT is my guess.


Chris Part Duex
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Quoting StormTracker2K:
12Z Euro strong Tropical wave moving WNW toward the Northern Antillies.



Good news for the plants ..
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I have to say something about the models in terms of developing a CV wave or not. Models won't see true development until these waves make it to the Western Atlantic this season. Once there that's when the idea of homebrews continue. Just because they don't show anything organizing once off the African coast 300 hrs out doesn't mean these waves won't develop down the road in closer range. I think we have to give it a week or two for them to cross the Atlantic and have a better chance.
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NEXT SIG CHANCE OF RAINFALL DOES NOT LOOK UNTIL NEXT THU AUG 02 AS
TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 20W REACHES THE LOCAL AREA. THIS IS THE BEST
WAVE THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR THIS SEASON AND IT APPEARS TO BE
ACCOMPANIED BY A LOW PRES AREA AND FAIRLY DEEP CONVECTION.
HOWEVER...WAVE IS SURROUNDED BY LARGE AREA OF STABLE AIR COVERING
THE EASTERN ATLC. IN ADDITION...WAVE IS FCST TO ENCOUNTER A MORE
HOSTILE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT ONCE IT NEARS THE LESSER ANTILLES
NEXT WEEK. SO PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY ON HOW THIS WAVE WILL EVOLVE
WITH TIME BUT CURRENT WX PATTERN OF TUTT/SAL AND UNFVRBL
MJO/POSITIVE VELOCITY POTENTIAL ANOMALIES DO NOT FAVOR MUCH CHANCE
OF DEVELOPMENT OR TROPICAL CYCLOGENESIS.


What a pity! I'm feeling depressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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669. yoboi
Quoting jeffs713:

... because it was a silly hypothetical question that was more based in satire and sarcasm than reality and science.


but he provided some good science....with gw it's like a puzzle ya need each piece to paint a full picture...
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668. yoboi
Quoting Tribucanes:
Yobi, your swimming in the deep end by yourself with the windmill bee thing. This has got to be one of the most outlandish things I've ever heard here; and that's saying something. I want to laugh, but your by far not the only one who believes that. It's not funny, it's scary when people are so brainwashed they'd believe such a farce. Like ya Yobi, but I can't play devils advocate for ya here.


let me research and find the article, they say they fly into it but don't know why...give me sometime before ya call bs on it i know i read it awhile back..fair enough??
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Quoting washingtonian115:
No no no..I want Isaac to be a beautiful cape verde storm.
Me too that is why I say it will be an Irony I want Isaac to be like 2000 Isaac in power and track.
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Quoting yoboi:


why would ya say it was a silly question?? he brought up a valid question and ya gave a valid answer...

... because it was a silly hypothetical question that was more based in satire and sarcasm than reality and science.
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Quoting allancalderini:
I think you mean 98L.
My bad.
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Quoting Bluestorm5:
Yes, I've noticed 98E. It's looking pretty impressive currently.
I think you mean 98L.
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Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
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It was Andrew.Not Andria
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Yobi, your swimming in the deep end by yourself with the windmill bee thing. This has got to be one of the most outlandish things I've ever heard here; and that's saying something. I want to laugh, but your by far not the only one who believes that. It's not funny, it's scary when people are so misled they'd believe such a farce. Like ya Yobi, but I can't play devils advocate for ya here.
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Quoting allancalderini:
So far the women names had been more threatening than man names this year ex Beryl and Debby had made landfall meanwhile Alberto and chris not.btw it will be an Irony for most in here that are expecting Isaac to be a formidable storm including myself form from a cold front like 98L is trying to do.
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Quoting allancalderini:
So far the women names had been more threatening than man names this year ex Beryl and Debby had made landfall meanwhile Alberto and chris not.btw it will be an Irony for most in here that are expecting Isaac to be a formidable storm including myself form from a cold front like 98L is trying to do.
No no no..I want Isaac to be a beautiful cape verde storm.
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658. yoboi
Quoting OldLeatherneck:


After a simply easy yet meaningless Google search, I found some answers to your silly question:

Worldwide population estimates:
Reindeer 2.5 Million
Cattle 1.5 Billion
Pigs 1.0 Billion
Sheep 1.0 Billion

Reindeer are a mere 0.0713776% of that group of animals.

I'll let you go to Lapland to observe and measure the methane content when Reindeers flatulate. I'm sure it will be a welcome addition to the world's body of knowledge.


why would ya say it was a silly question?? he brought up a valid question and ya gave a valid answer...
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situation unfolding..NWS, Raleigh, NC

.NEAR TERM /THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...
-- Changed Discussion --
AS OF 245 PM...

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR OUR ENTIRE CWA THROUGH 10 PM.

SHOWER/TSTM ACTIVITY...SOME SEVERE...NOW AFFECTING THE TRIAD AND
WESTERN PIEDMONT. CURRENT MESOANALYSIS SHOWS PLENTY OF MLCAPE (ON
THE ORDER OF 3500 ) AND DCAPE OF 1300 ACROSS MUCH OF OUR CWA.
THERMODYNAMICALLY...THE ACTIVITY TO OUR WEST WILL BE APPROACHING A
FAVORABLE AIRMASS FOR ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY AND VIGOROUS UPDRAFTS.
INITIALLY BULK SHEAR IS MODEST (<20KT) BUT IS FORECAST TO INCREASE
LATER TODAY AS THE SHORT WAVE TO OUR NW APPROACHES. THIS SETUP
SUGGESTS THE IMPACTS WITH THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENINGS TSTM ACTIVITY
WILL BE PRIMARILY DAMAGING STRAIGHT-LINE WIND GUSTS. ALTHOUGH LARGE
HAIL CAN`T BE RULED OUT...WE`RE EXPECTING THAT THE BULK OF THE STORM
REPORTS TODAY WILL BE WIND-RELATED. WORTH NOTING THAT THE CONVECTION
ALLOWING MODELS GENERALLY SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF A FAST-MOVING
MULTICELL CLUSTER EVENT WITH BOWING SEGMENTS AND WIND DAMAGE
POTENTIAL...WITH TIMING POINTING TO A MID-LATE AFTERNOON EVENT
ACROSS THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL PIEDMONT AND A LATE AFTERNOON THROUGH
EARLY EVENING EVENT ACROSS THE EASTERN PIEDMONT AND COASTAL PLAIN.
GIVEN THE NW FLOW AND ANTICIPATED SPEED OF THIS EVENT...ACTIVITY
SHOULD BE WINDING DOWN BY LATE EVENING.

LOWER CONFIDENCE WITH REGARD TO HOW THE ACTIVITY NOW MOVING SSE
ACROSS THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT US TONIGHT.
INITIAL THINKING IS THAT GIVEN ITS SOUTHWARD PROPAGATION...AND THE
FACT THAT THE TIMING OF THE REMNANT ACTIVITY WOULD HAVE IT MOVING
ACROSS OUR AREA OVERNIGHT AFTER THE BL HAS STABILIZED...FOR NOW WILL
KEEP POPS LOW OVERNIGHT. HOWEVER WE`LL BE MONITORING THIS CLOSELY.
OTHERWISE...EXPECT A FAIR AMOUNT OF MID AND HIGH CLOUDS LINGERING
OVERNIGHT IN THE WAKE OF THE SHOWER/TSTM ACTIVITY...THUS NOT
EXPECTING MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH FOG OVERNIGHT. LOWS TONIGHT IN THE
LOWER 70S
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
11PM EDT is my guess.

So far the women names had been more threatening than man names this year ex Beryl and Debby had made landfall meanwhile Alberto and chris not.btw it will be an Irony for most in here that are expecting Isaac to be a formidable storm including myself form from a cold front like 98L is trying to do.
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Organized enough for classification according to SAB.

24/1745 UTC 35.9N 54.9W T1.5/1.5 98L -- Atlantic
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About to get slammed by this line.

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Quoting BobWallace:


How about we use info from a non-climate change source? Balloon fliers work for you?

"A weather forecast for only two-hours, a time period that would include most hot-air balloon flights, might be expected to be reliable and routinely available from either government or private weather services.

Unfortunately this is not the case. Atmospheric conditions at times safest and most popular for hot-air ballooning are also among the most difficult to forecast, especially in the detail required. These are times when the boundary layer is undergoing physical changes from day-to-night or night-to-day. The most important result is the change in wind speed.

Even the most casual observer knows that wind near the ground is generally stronger in the daytime than at night.

This fact is illusrated by the data analyzed for Figure 1. They show the frequency of occurrence of wind speeds less than 10.5 mph (9.1 knots) at different times of day as measured at the Lansing, MI, airport, averaged for five July months, 1949-54.

During the night, from sunset to sunrise, the observed speeds averaged less than 10.5 mph about 90% of the time. After sunrise the frequencies decreased to nearly 50 % by midday, then increased back to about 90 % after sunset.

A few hundred feet above the surface the average diurnal pattern of wind speed is just the opposite of that near the ground. Lower speeds occur during the day and higher speeds during the night.

Figure 2 shows wind speeds, measured on a 1605-foot television tower near Oklahoma City, averaged for a year. The patterns indicate a distinct change from daytime maxima and nighttime minima at the lower levels to the opposite above about 300 feet.

This basic pattern is seen wherever appropriate measurements are made."


Link

(Bolding mine.)


If you were talking about surface readings, then you were incorrect. If you're talking about off the surface winds, then you are correct. I was referring to winds at the surface.
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Quoting BobWallace:


Community solar.

Link

Basically, you join with other people in your area who have 'building issues' and you install your solar in a good spot and reap the benefits.

One of the first community solar projects was in Davis, CA where the city had pushed to plant a lot of shade in order to cut AC costs/energy drains. That meant that rooftop solar was difficult.

People got together and put bunches of panels on some bare land. A bit more expensive than on your own rooftop, but cheap enough.

I'll get on that once I get my next door neighbor to clean out their above ground pond... I mean pool that is almost as green as my grass, and breeding legions of mosquitoes.

I really like the idea though, and it would be awesome for all involved once it gets going.
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Quoting greentortuloni:


I suppose windmills are out? I saw a small windmill setup that powered the compressor taken out of a window unit AC. A bit jury rigged but it worked fine. Almost free AC though it relied on the tradewinds, so very location based.


Small windmills are inefficient.

With windmills size (and height) really matter.
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Quoting jeffs713:

I think the frontal part may be what is holding everything up. Looking at satellite, 98L appears to have broken free of the front, but I'd like to see WINDSAT or similar to be sure.

That said, whatever its classified, it is going to be a world of hurt tomorrow when it hits colder waters.

Depends on whether or not the upper levels of the atmosphere are excessively cold or not. Chris took advantage of a very cold upper atmosphere and became a hurricane.
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646. yoboi
Quoting BobWallace:


How about we use info from a non-climate change source? Balloon fliers work for you?

"A weather forecast for only two-hours, a time period that would include most hot-air balloon flights, might be expected to be reliable and routinely available from either government or private weather services.

Unfortunately this is not the case. Atmospheric conditions at times safest and most popular for hot-air ballooning are also among the most difficult to forecast, especially in the detail required. These are times when the boundary layer is undergoing physical changes from day-to-night or night-to-day. The most important result is the change in wind speed.

Even the most casual observer knows that wind near the ground is generally stronger in the daytime than at night.

This fact is illusrated by the data analyzed for Figure 1. They show the frequency of occurrence of wind speeds less than 10.5 mph (9.1 knots) at different times of day as measured at the Lansing, MI, airport, averaged for five July months, 1949-54.

During the night, from sunset to sunrise, the observed speeds averaged less than 10.5 mph about 90% of the time. After sunrise the frequencies decreased to nearly 50 % by midday, then increased back to about 90 % after sunset.

A few hundred feet above the surface the average diurnal pattern of wind speed is just the opposite of that near the ground. Lower speeds occur during the day and higher speeds during the night.

Figure 2 shows wind speeds, measured on a 1605-foot television tower near Oklahoma City, averaged for a year. The patterns indicate a distinct change from daytime maxima and nighttime minima at the lower levels to the opposite above about 300 feet.

This basic pattern is seen wherever appropriate measurements are made."


Link

(Bolding mine.)


i have never seen a windmill that was 1605 feet tall...
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Quoting jeffs713:

Can't do the back fence, since we have established trees along the back fence as a visual barrier, and they cast shade along a large part of the fence - the areas not shaded will have shade within the next 2-3 years from other trees growing. We don't have a pergola (yet), as it would be prohibitively expensive to build into the back of the house to satisfy building codes and the HOA (we're on a corner lot, which is also why we have all the trees).


Community solar.

Link

Basically, you join with other people in your area who have 'building issues' and you install your solar in a good spot and reap the benefits.

One of the first community solar projects was in Davis, CA where the city had pushed to plant a lot of shade in order to cut AC costs/energy drains. That meant that rooftop solar was difficult.

People got together and put bunches of panels on some bare land. A bit more expensive than on your own rooftop, but cheap enough.
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The San Juan NWS AFD puts the RIP to CV Wave in afternoon discussion.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
259 PM AST TUE JUL 24 2012


NEXT SIG CHANCE OF RAINFALL DOES NOT LOOK UNTIL NEXT THU AUG 02 AS
TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 20W REACHES THE LOCAL AREA. THIS IS THE BEST
WAVE THAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR THIS SEASON AND IT APPEARS TO BE
ACCOMPANIED BY A LOW PRES AREA AND FAIRLY DEEP CONVECTION.
HOWEVER...WAVE IS SURROUNDED BY LARGE AREA OF STABLE AIR COVERING
THE EASTERN ATLC. IN ADDITION...WAVE IS FCST TO ENCOUNTER A MORE
HOSTILE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT ONCE IT NEARS THE LESSER ANTILLES
NEXT WEEK. SO PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY ON HOW THIS WAVE WILL EVOLVE
WITH TIME BUT CURRENT WX PATTERN OF TUTT/SAL AND UNFVRBL
MJO/POSITIVE VELOCITY POTENTIAL ANOMALIES DO NOT FAVOR MUCH CHANCE
OF DEVELOPMENT OR TROPICAL CYCLOGENESIS.
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11PM EDT is my guess.

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Quoting Neapolitan:
While the tropics are heating up, but before they reach a full boil, I thought I'd post these graphics dealing with Lake Superior. Sort of amazing, really...

Lake Superior

Lake Superior

Lake Superior

Lake Superior

Remember, this is Lake Superior we're talking about. You know, the northernmost of the Great Lakes, the Great White North and all that.

Ouch.





if things be come toogeter this right we could be looking at a TS fourming overe the lakes with water temper this warm
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Quoting OldLeatherneck:


After a simply easy yet meaningless Google search, I found some answers to your silly question:

Worldwide population estimates:
Reindeer 2.5 Million
Cattle 1.5 Billion
Pigs 1.0 Billion
Sheep 1.0 Billion

Reindeer are a mere 0.0713776% of that group of animals.

I'll let you go to Lapland to observe and measure the methane content when Reindeers flatulate. I'm sure it will be a welcome addition to the world's body oif knowledge.
."I have an email to Rupolph, No response as of yet
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Yes, I've noticed 98E. It's looking pretty impressive currently.
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
New image here... Dare I say that's a cloud filled eye?



Ernesto wants to become a hurricane I see. LOL! as I scratch my head as we already had a hurricane up in this area earlier this year.
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98L:

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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

It doesn't matter if that's an eye or not, which it very well could be. 98L has sustained winds of tropical storm force... As long as its not frontal, then it's a tropical storm.

I think the frontal part may be what is holding everything up. Looking at satellite, 98L appears to have broken free of the front, but I'd like to see WINDSAT or similar to be sure.

That said, whatever its classified, it is going to be a world of hurt tomorrow when it hits colder waters.
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..........................GFS at 90 hours
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Quoting Tribucanes:
Wind reports not coming in particularly fast with this line pushing into NC soon. Not producing widespread damage, but wondering if the late afternoon will strengthen this line quite a bit.


yeah, its supposed to worsen later on in the day

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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
New image here... Dare I say that's a cloud filled eye?



you dare not :)

it might be just clouds wrapping in a circle, not exactly an eye, or it could be an eye, but we'll see

judging by its weakness, im not sold on an eye yet
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