Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:25 PM GMT on July 18, 2012

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The coldest place in Greenland, and often the entire Northern Hemisphere, is commonly the Summit Station. Located at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet, 10,551 feet (3216 meters) above sea level, and 415 miles (670 km) north of the Arctic Circle, Summit rarely sees temperatures that rise above the freezing mark. In the 12-year span 2000 - 2011, Summit temperatures rose above freezing only four times, according to weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera. But remarkably, over the past week, temperatures at Summit have eclipsed the freezing mark on five days, including four days in a row from July 11 - 14. There are actually three weather stations located at the location--Summit, Summit-US, and Summit AWS. The highest reliable temperature measured at any of the three stations is now the 3.6°C (38.5°F) measured on Monday, July 16, 2012 at Summit-US. A 4.4°C reading at Summit in May, 2010 is bogus, as can be seen by looking at the adjacent station. Similarly, a 3.3°C reading from June 2004 is also bad. Records at Summit began in 1987.


Video 1. A 20-ton tractor attempting to repair a bridge washed out by the raging Watson River on July 11, 2012 in Kangerlussauaq, Greenland gets washed downstream. The driver escaped unharmed. Image taken from an article, Warm air over the ice sheet provides great drama in Greenland, at the Danish Meteorological Institute's web site.

Record heat leads to major flooding in Greenland
The record heat has triggered significant melting of Greenland's Ice Sheet. According to the Arctic Sea Ice Blog, on July 11, glacier melt water from the Russell Glacier flooded the Watson River, smashing two bridges connecting the north and south of Kangerlussuaq (Sønder Strømfjord), a small settlement in southwestern Greenland. The flow rate of 3.5 million liters/sec was almost double the previous record flow rate. The latest forecast for Summit calls for cooler conditions over the coming week, with no more above-freezing temperatures at Summit.

Another huge iceberg calves off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier
A massive ice island two times the size of Manhattan and half as thick as the Empire State Building calved off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier on Monday, July 16, 2012. According to Andreas Muenchow, associate professor of physical ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware's College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment in his Icy Seas blog, the break-off point has been visible for at least 8 years in satellite imagery, and has been propagating at 1 km/year towards Nares Strait. The same glacier calved an iceberg twice as big back on August 4, 2010--the largest iceberg observed in the Arctic since 1962. The freshwater stored in that ice island could have kept the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years, or kept all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days. “While the size is not as spectacular as it was in 2010, the fact that it follows so closely to the 2010 event brings the glacier’s terminus to a location where it has not been for at least 150 years,” Muenchow said in a university press release. “Northwest Greenland and northeast Canada are warming more than five times faster than the rest of the world, but the observed warming is not proof that the diminishing ice shelf is caused by this, because air temperatures have little effect on this glacier; ocean temperatures do, and our ocean temperature time series are only five to eight years long — too short to establish a robust warming signal.”


Figure 1. The calving of a massive 46 square-mile iceberg two times the size of Manhattan from Greenland's Petermann Glacier on July 14 - 18, 2012, as seen using MODIS satellite imagery. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Look familiar? Two years ago, a 100 square-mile ice island broke off the Petermann Glacier. It was the largest iceberg in the Arctic since 1962. Image taken by NASA's Aqua satellite on August 21, 2010. Image credit: NASA. I've constructed a 7-frame satellite animation available here that shows the calving and break-up of the Petermann Glacier ice island. The animation begins on August 5, 2010, and ends on September 21, with images spaced about 8 days apart. The images were taken by NASA's Aqua and Terra satellites.

Related posts

Unprecedented May heat in Greenland; update on 2011 Greenland ice melt

Greenland update for 2010: record melting and a massive calving event

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Quoting AussieStorm:
UFO. lol


And it's mothership.
beautiful condensing clouds
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Quoting 954FtLCane:

funny enough just watching the Marlins game at Wrigley field and as I started reading this it looks like the storm is moving in..... take that back it's pouring at Wrigley.
Hopefully nothing too bad there. Who is winning and go Tigers(I dont like either teams).
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Quoting ScottLincoln:


Right... I'm pretty aware of the terrain differences because we forecast for that area every day :)
Do you know what watershed you are in? Like Jourdan River/Wolf River/or a Pascagoula trib?


I really don't...Might be Pascagoula? The Leaf River flows through Hburg, and I think it flows into the Pascagoula. You'd know that better than me. :-)
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Quoting Grothar:
The wave is beginning to show up a little better.



Nice signature:

Better than a BLOB!!
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Quoting Levi32:


Well according to the last month of precipitation anomalies, the ITCZ is actually slightly farther north than normal in the eastern Atlantic and western Africa. Tropical waves probably seem to be struggling because it is not yet the time of year for them to thrive. In July they almost always fail to become much, and the SAL will always be strong during the downward phase of the MJO over the Atlantic basin.

Additionally, tropical waves becoming separated from the ITCZ is usually a sign of strength and enough amplification to break off from the equatorial trough. Although this can expose them to more dry air entrainment, it usually means they were healthy waves to begin with.

TRMM 30-day rainfall anomalies:

Levi we need you to post more Please!!
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We have a new burst here at Home showing a 2.57 inch per hr rate currently.


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Quoting MississippiWx:


We have enough terrain to where I think we can catch more run-off water and therefore have a greater watershed. Hattiesburg and the Pine Belt are in rather hilly terrain. It probably doesn't start flattening out until reaching the northern coastal counties.


Right... I'm pretty aware of the terrain differences because we forecast for that area every day :)
Do you know what watershed you are in? Like Jourdan River/Wolf River/or a Pascagoula trib?
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Wow. Can't believe I missed it.

Quoting Levi32:


Well according to the last month of precipitation anomalies, the ITCZ is actually slightly farther north than normal in the eastern Atlantic and western Africa. Tropical waves probably seem to be struggling because it is not yet the time of year for them to thrive. In July they almost always fail to become much, and the SAL will always be strong during the downward phase of the MJO over the Atlantic basin.

Additionally, tropical waves becoming separated from the ITCZ is usually a sign of strength and enough amplification to break off from the equatorial trough. Although this can expose them to more dry air entrainment, it usually means they were healthy waves to begin with.

TRMM 30-day rainfall anomalies:

Not disagreeing with anything you said. However, I was looking more at the ITCZ position in the Western part of the ATL, which does, IMO, seem further south than average for July. I also wasn't thinking so much about amplification towards cyclogenesis as about them bringing moisture into the Car basin and BS/TCI/FL area. I think the Twaves themselves are, if anything, looking stronger than average... partially because, as you say, they are amplified to break away. But I always get the impression that waves which remain at least partially embedded in the ITCZ as they approach 50W are more likely to bring moisture with them - i.e. are not so easily overwhelmed by the SAL dust.

The other thing I've been thinking about is that when conditions do become more favorable, there sure seem to be a lot of eligible candidates for cyclogenesis....
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Quoting wxchaser97:
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
905 PM CDT WED JUL 18 2012

ILC031-043-089-097-111-190300-
/O.CON.KLOT.SV.W.0080.000000T0000Z-120719T0300Z/
KANE IL-MCHENRY IL-DUPAGE IL-LAKE IL-COOK IL-
905 PM CDT WED JUL 18 2012

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR COOK...
SOUTHERN LAKE...DUPAGE...SOUTHEASTERN MCHENRY AND KANE COUNTIES UNTIL
1000 PM CDT...

AT 858 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING
FROM LAKEWOOD TO WEST DUNDEE TO ELGIN TO SUGAR GROVE...MOVING
SOUTHEAST AT 40 MPH.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
WEST CHICAGO...STREAMWOOD...NORTH AURORA AND HOFFMAN ESTATES AROUND
910 PM CDT.
TOWER LAKES...SCHAUMBURG...ROSELLE AND CAROL STREAM AROUND 915 PM
CDT.
BARRINGTON...LAKE ZURICH...FOREST LAKE AND HAWTHORN WOODS AROUND
920 PM CDT.
PALATINE...KILDEER AND LONG GROVE AROUND 925 PM CDT.


PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF
YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS.

&&

LAT...LON 4214 8774 4208 8767 4191 8762 4190 8760
4184 8760 4176 8754 4174 8754 4162 8771
4169 8803 4173 8803 4173 8819 4177 8837
4187 8858 4196 8847 4219 8838 4225 8843
4226 8781
TIME...MOT...LOC 0205Z 300DEG 34KT 4221 8828 4207 8820
4196 8825 4179 8843
WIND...HAIL 60MPH <.50IN

$$

IZZI

funny enough just watching the Marlins game at Wrigley field and as I started reading this it looks like the storm is moving in..... take that back it's pouring at Wrigley.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


I thought it looked more like Burt Lahr.


Must have taken a lot of courage to write that.
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The wave is beginning to show up a little better.



Nice signature:

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Quoting BahaHurican:


Whoa... that is one serious high... No wonder the wx has been so great here... I'm talking clear blue skies, light easterly winds, penetrating sunshine... great beach weather... Passed one of our beaches on the way home the other night, just after the sun had set, and there were still 2-3 dozen pple in the water...



Yeahhh! Today was incredible. One of the rare GREAT days so far this summer don't ya say!?
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There was a beautiful tornado near Wadena, Saskatchewan today.

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Severe Thunderstorm Warning
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
905 PM CDT WED JUL 18 2012

ILC031-043-089-097-111-190300-
/O.CON.KLOT.SV.W.0080.000000T0000Z-120719T0300Z/
KANE IL-MCHENRY IL-DUPAGE IL-LAKE IL-COOK IL-
905 PM CDT WED JUL 18 2012

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR COOK...
SOUTHERN LAKE...DUPAGE...SOUTHEASTERN MCHENRY AND KANE COUNTIES UNTIL
1000 PM CDT...

AT 858 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING
FROM LAKEWOOD TO WEST DUNDEE TO ELGIN TO SUGAR GROVE...MOVING
SOUTHEAST AT 40 MPH.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
WEST CHICAGO...STREAMWOOD...NORTH AURORA AND HOFFMAN ESTATES AROUND
910 PM CDT.
TOWER LAKES...SCHAUMBURG...ROSELLE AND CAROL STREAM AROUND 915 PM
CDT.
BARRINGTON...LAKE ZURICH...FOREST LAKE AND HAWTHORN WOODS AROUND
920 PM CDT.
PALATINE...KILDEER AND LONG GROVE AROUND 925 PM CDT.


PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF
YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS.

&&

LAT...LON 4214 8774 4208 8767 4191 8762 4190 8760
4184 8760 4176 8754 4174 8754 4162 8771
4169 8803 4173 8803 4173 8819 4177 8837
4187 8858 4196 8847 4219 8838 4225 8843
4226 8781
TIME...MOT...LOC 0205Z 300DEG 34KT 4221 8828 4207 8820
4196 8825 4179 8843
WIND...HAIL 60MPH <.50IN

$$

IZZI
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UFO. lol


And it's mothership.
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Quoting Grothar:



Is that Juan Valdez? (3 seconds)

I'm not sure but I think I see Angeline Jolie in there too!


I thought it looked more like Burt Lahr.
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Quoting 954FtLCane:


LOL. You are marked down as 1/2 a vote for each. But out of curiosity do you prefer soy, duck sauce or mustard with your egg rolls? BTW what is your favorite chinese food here in the Fort Lauderdale area. Ever since channel 10 busted my local chinese restaurant during their "dirty dining" segment for, yes literally, keeping their pet dog in their kitchen I haven't been able to find a new one.

BTW, looks like a few dry days moving into south florida due to my uncle SAL arriving tomorrow and staying into the weekend.


Christina Wan's and the Rainbow Palace are very good. P.F. Changs is right down the street from me though.
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I lol'd.

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Quoting floridaboy14:
what atmospheric conditions are in place right now in the atlantic? el nino or neutral conditions??


Neutral, neutral,neutral
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Quoting Bluestorm5:
Just a warning for future... do not challenge hurricanes just because you'll be fine from the winds or rains. Storm surge will get you HARD.

I mean, Katrina's surge DESTROYED everything up to 28 feet above the ground.

Link
yes it was a monster storm alright
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Just a warning for future... do not challenge hurricanes just because you'll be fine from the winds or rains. Storm surge will get you HARD.

I mean, Katrina's surge DESTROYED everything up to 28 feet above the ground.

Link
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Quoting ScottLincoln:


Are you guys in the coastal plain or up far enough from the sound that you have some terrain?


We have enough terrain to where I think we can catch more run-off water and therefore have a greater watershed. Hattiesburg and the Pine Belt are in rather hilly terrain. It probably doesn't start flattening out until reaching the northern coastal counties.
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Quoting ncstorm:


I did that at the beginning of 8th grade, and of course I read the whole thing like I do with all my tests before writing on the paper. Was one of the few in my class to get a 100 on that. Funnily enough I missed the first paragraph telling you to read ALL instructions-I never read that part. Now that I have thought about it, I think it is rather obvious for an instructions test to be formatted like that. At least I know it works. But not for long. I had the pleasure of sitting next to a trouble-maker for half the year. Good times.

BTW, I would be somewhat surprised if I wake up tomorrow and find a yellow circle in the Atlantic. Just since the NHC has been ignorant on some things already this year, ah well.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Doctors have concluded that if you find the man in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the man between 3 seconds and 1 minute, the right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the man between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein If you have not found the man after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!!!

And, yes, the man is really there!!!




Is that Juan Valdez? (3 seconds)

I'm not sure but I think I see Angeline Jolie in there too!
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Quoting Tazmanian:
hey dr m can i give you a hair cut?




i guss he dos not want one
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Doctors have concluded that if you find the man in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the man between 3 seconds and 1 minute, the right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the man between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein If you have not found the man after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!!!

And, yes, the man is really there!!!

i scroll back seen it as soon as the bottom centre too the left was exposed lets aay 1 second to be fair
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Quoting stormchaser19:


i want A, but the most probably is B
You stole my answer...

Quoting ProgressivePulse:



The deal is cookies Gro! Nobody said anything about Egg Rolls, rather demanding aren't you?
Maybe he's having an egg roll craving...



Quoting GTcooliebai:
The Caribbean is currently closed for business, so long as King TUTT rules the area.
Not to mention the most extensive high pressure ridge I've seen in the basin pretty much since I started paying attention in 2006... The entire basin N of 20N is under a 2016hpa surface high...

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hey dr m can i give you a hair cut?
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notice since the end of june the enso has been neutral and hasnt been warming because the line is horizontal. cfs had 0.8C by now we are 0.4C. even models all wrong
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dr m is on TWC right now



omg that what he looks like ?
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Quoting MississippiWx:


Maybe in spots, but we've had every bit of 4-5 inches where I live. We are building a new lake and two days ago, it was 4 feet below being full. After today's rain, it is even with the spillway. It's around 10 acres, so it's a large area of water. Not bad for a couple days work!


Are you guys in the coastal plain or up far enough from the sound that you have some terrain?
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Quoting LargoFl:
.....be careful out there Pat..those are bad storms,flooding is going to happen


Some street flooding is occurring in the usual areas Uptown, folks scramble to put the cars on the neutral Ground usually.

Itsa slacking up so it should fade quickly.The rule here the system can handle 1 inch per hour the first Hour, and a half inch per hour thereafter, if the rate falls faster than that though, we get some problems.
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Quoting Patrap:
Orleans

Areal Flood Advisory
Statement as of 8:51 PM CDT on July 18, 2012

The National Weather Service in New Orleans has issued an

* Urban and Small Stream Flood Advisory for...
Jefferson Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the cities of... Timberlane... Harvey...
Orleans Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the city of New Orleans...
Plaquemines Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the city of Belle Chasse...

* until 1045 PM CDT

* at 847 PM CDT... National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated
thunderstorms producing heavy rain over portions of Orleans Parish...
the westbank area of Jefferson Parish... and upper Plaquemines Parish.
Radar estimates indicated that up to 1.5 inches of rain has already
fallen over portions of this area. Additional rainfall amounts of 2 inches
will be possible with these storms through 10 PM.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Excessive runoff from heavy rainfall will cause elevated levels on
small creeks and streams... and ponding of water in urban areas...
highways... streets and underpasses as well as other poor drainage
areas and low lying spots.

Do not drive your vehicle into areas where the water covers the
roadway. The water depth may be too great to allow your car to cross
safely. Move to higher ground.


Lat... Lon 3002 9015 3004 9002 2999 8999 2995 9001
2993 8998 2991 8998 2991 8995 2981 8989
2977 9005
.....be careful out there Pat..those are bad storms,flooding is going to happen
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Quoting aislinnpaps:


Believe it or not, the patio bar, under an umbrella, with nonstop eyes on the storm.


Ahhh, a fine choice.

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Quoting Patrap:



Patio Bar, or Piano, or my personal Fave, the Front Bar?



Believe it or not, the patio bar, under an umbrella, with nonstop eyes on the storm.
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..........................check out this sinkhole that opened up in this guys yard..geez....this is in Brooksville florida
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
This is very interesting to watch if you are bored, the media coverage of Hurricane Andrew. Here is the link to part one...

Hurricane Andrew 1992 As It Happened! Part-1


Weirdly enough my middle name is Andrew and I love the weather.

Coincidence?
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Orleans

Areal Flood Advisory
Statement as of 8:51 PM CDT on July 18, 2012

The National Weather Service in New Orleans has issued an

* Urban and Small Stream Flood Advisory for...
Jefferson Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the cities of... Timberlane... Harvey...
Orleans Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the city of New Orleans...
Plaquemines Parish in southeast Louisiana...
this includes the city of Belle Chasse...

* until 1045 PM CDT

* at 847 PM CDT... National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated
thunderstorms producing heavy rain over portions of Orleans Parish...
the westbank area of Jefferson Parish... and upper Plaquemines Parish.
Radar estimates indicated that up to 1.5 inches of rain has already
fallen over portions of this area. Additional rainfall amounts of 2 inches
will be possible with these storms through 10 PM.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Excessive runoff from heavy rainfall will cause elevated levels on
small creeks and streams... and ponding of water in urban areas...
highways... streets and underpasses as well as other poor drainage
areas and low lying spots.

Do not drive your vehicle into areas where the water covers the
roadway. The water depth may be too great to allow your car to cross
safely. Move to higher ground.


Lat... Lon 3002 9015 3004 9002 2999 8999 2995 9001
2993 8998 2991 8998 2991 8995 2981 8989
2977 9005
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Here is one I got in the fifth grade

Directions Test
The following exercise tests your ability to understand and carry out directions.
Read all directions completely before writing anything down.
At the end of this exercise you will give yourself a score on how well you did.

1. Write your first name in the upper left corner of this page.
2. Write your last name in the upper right corner of this page.
3. If your last name begins with a letter from A to M, circle your first name.
4. If your last name begins with a letter from N to Z, circle your last name.
5. Write today's date somewhere in the left column of this page.
6. Write your birthdate somewhere in the right column of this page.
7. If your birthdate is in a month from January to June, draw a SINGLE line under your birthdate.
8. If your birthdate is in a month from July to December, draw a DOUBLE line under your birthdate.
9. Add the DAY of your birthday to the DAY of today's date and put the number under the title of this exercise.
10. Write the word "score" in capital letters in the lower right corner of this page.
11. Draw a box around it.
12. If your first name is in the upper left corner of this paper, give yourself 100 points.
13. If your first name is in the upper right corner of this page, give yourself -100 points.
14. Add the number under the title of this exercise to your score.
15. If there is any writing on the page before you have gotten here for the first time give yourself a ZERO! Then go back and read the directions at the top of the page telling you to read ALL directions completely before writing anything down...
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Doctors have concluded that if you find the man in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the man between 3 seconds and 1 minute, the right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the man between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein If you have not found the man after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!!!

And, yes, the man is really there!!!


What a crock! The brain teaser says look for the "man" in the picture but that is totally misleading. It is not a man, it is the head of a man...actually it is part of a head of a man. If you are looking for a man, you would expect to see legs, arms, hands, feet and a chest. I would say the scientists that made up the directions should check out their right side of their brain.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
This is very interesting to watch if you are bored, the media coverage of Hurricane Andrew. Here is the link to part one...

Hurricane Andrew 1992 As It Happened! Part-1
Although I wasn't born back than, I've always read alot about Andrew and I grew up thinking that Andrew was the damaging hurricane ever to hit USA and that no storm will be as strong as Andrew... however, Katrina proved me wrong :\ I don't remember Andrew, but I sure as heck remember Weather Channel broadcasts of Hurricane Katrina... and I remember telling my 5th grade class that "Tropical Storm" Katrina formed off coast of Florida when we did the "Sharing the News" part of the class. Could not believe that Katrina became the most known hurricane ever in history of USA just a week later at the cost of 2000 lives and $80 billion. Anyway, about Andrew... can't believes Andrew went from tropical storm to Category 5 in just 800 miles of path.
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Good evening everyone! I have been reading and studying this site for several years, but have only posted one or two comments because, as I said, I am still learning! I respect the wealth of knowledge that is presented by all the bloggers and I am grateful to all of you for your input, graphics, etc. However, I am a very positive person, but I finally decided it was time to speak of GeorgiaStormz and his comments. Every single comment he makes is of a negative nature and frankly, I am weary of reading his negative comments about well-respected bloggers. I have yet to see any positive comments made by him and I cannot stand by anymore without politely asking him to please refrain from being so negative. It would be refreshing to read just one positive comment! If he is that negative about everything anyone has to say, I do not understand why he continues to blog. I apologize if I am coming across as offensive, but I completely respect this blog and look forward to more educated and positive comments from you all! Good night from the Northern Gulf Coast!
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GULF OF MEXICO...
A PAIR OF UPPER LEVEL LOWS CONTINUE TO IMPACT THE GULF OF MEXICO
TONIGHT SUPPORTING LARGE AREAS OF SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS. THE
FIRST UPPER LOW IS CENTERED OVER ERN GEORGIA NEAR 33N82W
SUPPORTING A SURFACE TROUGH FROM 31N83W TO 27N85W. THE UPPER LOW
HAS SHIFTED N FROM ITS POSITION AT THIS TIME YESTERDAY...WHICH
HAS DRAWN THE MOISTURE TO THE N ALLOWING DRIER CONDITIONS OVER
THE SE GULF. THE NE GULF IS STILL MOIST WITH
SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS ALONG THE SURFACE TROUGH AXIS AS WELL AS
ACROSS MUCH OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. A LARGE AREA OF STRONG
SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS IS ALSO OVER SRN MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA.
A FEW ISOLATED SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS ALSO LINGER IN THE CENTRAL
GULF. THE SECOND UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE NW YUCATAN
PENINSULA NEAR 20N90W. IT IS ENHANCING CONVECTION NEAR A
TROPICAL WAVE APPROACHING THE PENINSULA. THE CONVECTION IS
LIMITED TO LAND EXCEPT FOR A SMALL AREA OF THE WRN COAST. A FEW
SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS ARE ALSO ALONG THE MEXICAN COAST IN THE
FAR WRN GULF ASSOCIATED WITH A THIRD UPPER LEVEL LOW OVER N
CENTRAL MEXICO. THE REMAINDER OF THE GULF IS COVERED BY AN UPPER
LEVEL RIDGE ACROSS THE NRN PORTION OF THE BASIN SUPPORTING A
WEAK SURFACE RIDGE AROUND A 1018 MB HIGH OVER LOUISIANA. THE
UPPER LOWS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN SOMEWHAT STATIONARY AND WILL
LIKELY KEEP THE NERN GULF AND YUCATAN PENINSULA UNDER MOIST
CONDITIONS FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
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Quoting redwagon:

A better question is: how do we plan to replace all the water now permanently lock-ed up in just new development in China and India? Concrete permanently locks up water. New people's bodies lock it up for ~70 years. New housing structures lock it up permanently via PVC pipe.
Water distribution facilities lock it up big-time in loooong pipes. Cars even lock up water permanently. Especially 50 million new cars in, again, China and India.

Less water to cool the planet, planet gets warmer.


Interesting. Do you have any data as to how much water is sequestered in concrete, plumbing, etc.?

Do you think it would come anywhere close to the estimated 4% extra moisture in the atmosphere due to warmer air holding more water? (Which I would imagine comes mostly from ocean evaporation.)

It would be interesting to see some comparative data but I'd bet the ration of sequestered to evaporated, well, I doubt concrete is a big player.
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what atmospheric conditions are in place right now in the atlantic? el nino or neutral conditions??
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Quoting MississippiWx:


You ever figure it out??
Yes their were two the's in the sentence.
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The average thickness of the Antarctic ice is 2,000 m (6,500 feet), and the greatest measured thickness is more than 4,770 m (15,650 feet)."
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Good soaking rains deep in Dixie tonight.

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