Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:25 PM GMT on July 18, 2012

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The coldest place in Greenland, and often the entire Northern Hemisphere, is commonly the Summit Station. Located at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet, 10,551 feet (3216 meters) above sea level, and 415 miles (670 km) north of the Arctic Circle, Summit rarely sees temperatures that rise above the freezing mark. In the 12-year span 2000 - 2011, Summit temperatures rose above freezing only four times, according to weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera. But remarkably, over the past week, temperatures at Summit have eclipsed the freezing mark on five days, including four days in a row from July 11 - 14. There are actually three weather stations located at the location--Summit, Summit-US, and Summit AWS. The highest reliable temperature measured at any of the three stations is now the 3.6°C (38.5°F) measured on Monday, July 16, 2012 at Summit-US. A 4.4°C reading at Summit in May, 2010 is bogus, as can be seen by looking at the adjacent station. Similarly, a 3.3°C reading from June 2004 is also bad. Records at Summit began in 1987.


Video 1. A 20-ton tractor attempting to repair a bridge washed out by the raging Watson River on July 11, 2012 in Kangerlussauaq, Greenland gets washed downstream. The driver escaped unharmed. Image taken from an article, Warm air over the ice sheet provides great drama in Greenland, at the Danish Meteorological Institute's web site.

Record heat leads to major flooding in Greenland
The record heat has triggered significant melting of Greenland's Ice Sheet. According to the Arctic Sea Ice Blog, on July 11, glacier melt water from the Russell Glacier flooded the Watson River, smashing two bridges connecting the north and south of Kangerlussuaq (Sønder Strømfjord), a small settlement in southwestern Greenland. The flow rate of 3.5 million liters/sec was almost double the previous record flow rate. The latest forecast for Summit calls for cooler conditions over the coming week, with no more above-freezing temperatures at Summit.

Another huge iceberg calves off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier
A massive ice island two times the size of Manhattan and half as thick as the Empire State Building calved off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier on Monday, July 16, 2012. According to Andreas Muenchow, associate professor of physical ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware's College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment in his Icy Seas blog, the break-off point has been visible for at least 8 years in satellite imagery, and has been propagating at 1 km/year towards Nares Strait. The same glacier calved an iceberg twice as big back on August 4, 2010--the largest iceberg observed in the Arctic since 1962. The freshwater stored in that ice island could have kept the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years, or kept all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days. “While the size is not as spectacular as it was in 2010, the fact that it follows so closely to the 2010 event brings the glacier’s terminus to a location where it has not been for at least 150 years,” Muenchow said in a university press release. “Northwest Greenland and northeast Canada are warming more than five times faster than the rest of the world, but the observed warming is not proof that the diminishing ice shelf is caused by this, because air temperatures have little effect on this glacier; ocean temperatures do, and our ocean temperature time series are only five to eight years long — too short to establish a robust warming signal.”


Figure 1. The calving of a massive 46 square-mile iceberg two times the size of Manhattan from Greenland's Petermann Glacier on July 14 - 18, 2012, as seen using MODIS satellite imagery. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Look familiar? Two years ago, a 100 square-mile ice island broke off the Petermann Glacier. It was the largest iceberg in the Arctic since 1962. Image taken by NASA's Aqua satellite on August 21, 2010. Image credit: NASA. I've constructed a 7-frame satellite animation available here that shows the calving and break-up of the Petermann Glacier ice island. The animation begins on August 5, 2010, and ends on September 21, with images spaced about 8 days apart. The images were taken by NASA's Aqua and Terra satellites.

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Unprecedented May heat in Greenland; update on 2011 Greenland ice melt

Greenland update for 2010: record melting and a massive calving event

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543 nativhoustonian: There are weather cycles mostly ignored in the pro GW discussions

Seriously, I'm curious... Name one other than Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter that acts in terms short of a few hundred years rather than over a period of tens of thousands of years.
Also explain what causes it; a hypothesis will do.

And no, sunspots and weather haven't been correlated... though folks have been trying to find such correlations since sunspots were first observed, well before the invention of telescopes.
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what is baiting?
who are the trolls?
let's all take care to consider that other people feel like "I" do..
facts are great... pile them on!!!
personal bickering is ugly... try to avoid it.
debates.. just try not to bicker
ncstorm, whom i greatly differ with by way of our opinions, frequently lends perspective about the two questions above.. i've had to step back many a time with someone who is baiting me, and consider how i handle it. i've also had to step back many a time to consider someone who is NOT baiting, but disagrees with me, and take to heart their input, their opinions.
facts are great... pile them on!!!
opinions are fun too.. but remember that someone countering an opinion will be considered 1) a hypocrite for not allowing opinions be expressed, and 2) a close-minded person who refuses facts.
so, when people are debating opinions, whether the source or dissent, it's a losing scenario if the two cannot respect the reasons Why someone feels the way they do..
have I mentioned? facts are great... pile them on!!!
(i'm likely viewed a hypocrite by posting this, due to the nature of opinion)
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Quoting VR46L:


And dont forget the lashing of sarcasm liberally applied while berating those who disagree or are unconvinced.....
'

In general... it's hard to keep patience when people repeatedly make frivolous claims...
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Quoting VR46L:


And dont forget the lashing of sarcasm liberally applied while berating those who disagree or are unconvinced.....


all they are doing is getting their blood pressure worked up over the internet? its not that serious..heck you wont ever meet any of these people in your lifetime..
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Of all the provinces, Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan average the most tornadoes per season, around 15, followed by Quebec with less than 10. New Brunswick and the interior of British Columbia are also recognized tornado zones. All other province and territories have significantly less threat from tornadoes. The peak season in Canada is in the summer months when clashing air masses move north, as opposed to the spring season in the United States southern-central plains, although tornadoes in Canada have occurred in spring, fall and very rarely winter.
The reported increase in numbers of tornadoes in recent years may reflect more reporting by citizens and media involvement rather than an actual increase in tornado occurrence (although some natural increase has not been ruled out), in addition to better detection technology i.e. Doppler weather radar and satellite imagery. The upswing could also be attributed to other factors, such as improved aerial and ground damage assessment after the fact in sparsely populated areas (particularly the case in remote parts of the Canadian Prairies and Northern Ontario, for example), better trained spotter capabilities and increased use of digital recording devices by citizens. Tornadoes in Canada are enough of a threat for a public warning system to be in place, overseen by the national weather agency, Environment Canada.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
There has only been a handful of times when a Day 8 Convective Outlook has been issued. Before people start panicking, no, this does not mean there will be a significant outbreak across the risk area...it just means there is higher-than-average confidence in location and timing thanks to model consensus.



DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0350 AM CDT THU JUL 19 2012

VALID 221200Z - 271200Z

...DISCUSSION...
AN UPPER RIDGE WILL HOLD OVER THE CNTRL U.S. FOR THE D4-D5
PERIOD...WITH MODEST NW FLOW ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES INTO THE NE.
FORCING FOR STORMS...ANYWHERE FROM THE NRN PLAINS INTO THE GREAT
LAKES...WILL BE WARM ADVECTION...WITH A FEW SMALL CLUSTERS OF STORMS
WITH MARGINAL WIND AND HAIL THREATS EACH DAY.

AS AN UPPER LOW MOVES INTO THE NRN ROCKIES ON D6...A MORE
SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE THREAT MAY MATERIALIZE OVER ND AND NRN MN TUE
NIGHT...WITH THE THREAT PERSISTING ACROSS MN/WI/MI ON WED/D7 AND
INTO THE LOWER LAKES REGION BY THU/D8. THIS TROUGH WILL BRING
FORCING WITH A COLD FRONT...AS WELL AS STRONG FLOW AND SHEAR FOR
SEVERE INTO AN AREA THAT WILL BE UNSTABLE. THIS GENERAL SOLUTION IS
SUPPORTED BY BOTH THE ECMWF AND GFS MODELS...WITH RELATIVELY LITTLE
ENSEMBLE SPREAD. WHILE POSITION ERROR MAY BE ON THE ORDER OF 200
MILES WITH THE EVENTUAL COLD FRONT...THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR AN
OUTLOOK THIS FAR OUT. ADJUSTMENTS WILL BE MADE IN SUBSEQUENT
OUTLOOKS AS THE EVENT NEARS.

..JEWELL.. 07/19/2012


Maybe this means the blogger from Detroit will get his rain.
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673. VR46L
Quoting ncstorm:
Below are the two words used everyday on this blog in the GW argument by "respected" bloggers..

IGNORANT and STUPID

Go outside, call a love one..enjoy the earth while its still here..your computer has a battery, it will be okay..I promise you..


And dont forget the lashing of sarcasm liberally applied while berating those who disagree or are unconvinced.....
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For all those living in SC:

SCC001-003-005-007-009-011-013-015-017-019-021-02 3-025-027-029-
031-033-035-037-039-041-043-045-047-049-051-053-0 55-057-059-061-
063-065-067-069-071-073-075-077-079-081-083-085-0 87-089-091-
192300-

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CHILD ABDUCTION EMERGENCY
SOUTH CAROLINA LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IN COLUMBIA SOUTH
CAROLINA
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE COLUMBIA SC
1100 AM EDT THU JUL 19 2012

...CHILD ABDUCTION EMERGENCY...

THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE SOUTH
CAROLINA LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IN COLUMBIA SOUTH CAROLINA.

WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED THIS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AN
ABDUCTED CHILD IN SUMMERVILLE SOUTH CAROLINA.

THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IS LOOKING FOR
HALEY RENAE BRIGGS...A WHITE FEMALE...2 YEARS OLD...HEIGHT 3 FEET TALL...
WEIGHT 33 POUNDS...WITH BROWN CURLY HAIR AND BLUE EYES. THE CHILD
IS BELIEVED TO BE IN EXTREME DANGER. THE CHILD WAS LAST SEEN
WEARING A USA SHIRT AND RED PAJAMA PANTS.

AUTHORITIES ADVISE THE CHILD
WAS LIKELY ABDUCTED BY MEGAN MARIE BRIGGS...A WHITE FEMALE...19
YEARS OLD...5 FEET 4 INCHES TALL...WEIGHT 140 POUNDS...WITH BROWN
HAIR AND BLUE EYES...AND WEARING A BLACK SHIRT AND AND WHITE
PANTS. THEY MAY BE TRAVELING IN A 4 DOOR 2003 BUICK CENTURY...GOLD
COLOR...SC LICENSE TAG NUMBER EQG113. DIRECTION OF TRAVEL IS
UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ABDUCTION, CALL 911 OR
CALL THE SUMMERVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT 843-875-1650.

$$
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Quoting #602

It's funny because it's always the same group of people who support claims such as these as evidenced by the pluses received.

More proof of the extreme hard-headedness of some.

Even if these claims have been countered time and time again, you still persist in presenting them as valid arguments.

Perhaps you should open your mind, face reality, and stop being so committed in your views.

It's not even worth pointing them out and proving they have nothing to do with the current situation. It has already been done so many times.
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Quoting Minnemike:
getting past the who-did-what-when is going to be one of our species greatest accomplishments.. and i don't limit that to this debate.. it is mostly aimed at reality television ;)
but seriously, action among the masses only comes at the heels of this debate. it is comforting to know that many many people, corporations, and agencies are actively working on reducing their footprint. that is a heck of a lot better than an alternative of no one acting.
it would be a fallacy, a mistake, to stop efforts at reducing ones footprint simply because other people, corporations, or agencies(countries) refuse to do so, even those that are major emitters such as China. i mean, here I am using a computer, but why should that prohibit me from making better choices regarding my own footprint when i'm Not at a desk job requiring i be online!


I agree about reducing the footprint being good, but I think we are past the point of any footprint being acceptable, at least any net footprint.

China, by the way, is producing e-bikes at a record pace nad doing a lot of other stuff to reduce pollution. Their leaders haven't been bought by corporations and they haven't done a low IQ LBO to find a power base.
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Impressive storm on all the images, such as these high tops and the banding, if it was out over water it would be circled at this point.
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whats smokin in here
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Quoting wxchaser97:

I was really tired then so I saw uncommon and just thought so. I re-read the discussion and saw it was the error that is uncommon, my bad. I've only seen like 1 or 2 8 day outlooks before so it is uncommon.

HI wxchaser97, Thanks for the reply. The models usually don't agree this far out. lol Hoping the midwest gets some needed rain from this without any real bad severe to deal with.

Quoting StormTracker2K:



Baha you are out of line. Let me get you straight on a few things I do provide scientific information as I did on a couple of my post this morning, two I never baited anybody as it was just a general question because of all this extreme heat around the globe and very strange wx patterns that have been occuring over the last few years, also I don't care if people see things my way as everybody has their own opinions, and to end this If anyone is starting a fight it is you sir with this outlandish post. My post was not to offend anybody as you were the only one who was offended. Infact everyone on here post like that so deal! What a piece of work this guy is today.
Stormtracker2K,
Does your referral to "scientific info" include the Sask. tor info you posted, to which I spoke as quoted in comment 616? (Add: My original comment is at 514.)

(I learn. If I post to more than one quote in a single comment, I should address the blogger by handle, as it looks in the quote at 616 as though I was addressing someone else about the Sask. tornadoes and I was not.)

"Make Solutions, not Data."

(T-59)
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Quoting ncstorm:
Below are the two words used everyday on this blog in the GW argument by "respected" bloggers..

IGNORANT and STUPID

Go outside, call a love one..enjoy the earth while its still here..your computer has a battery, it will be okay..I promise you..


Yeah I ask a general question and get blasted. My tone was bad Ok yeah right. I've seen some of the more deplorable post on here lately attacking people and this guy blast me over that.
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Quoting yoboi:


i will not sink to your level an insult ya like you are me just because we disagree, i will hold myself to a higher standard...
After having it carefully explained to you several times that CO2 emissions disperse globally, much like a drop of food coloring in a tub of water, what exactly is the "valid point" you're making about CO2-producing activity in the Arctic? Is it that the activity will cause localized heating near the glaciers and thus cause increased melting? Because once again, CO2 doesn't cause localized heating like that. If it did our cities would be tens of degrees warmer than surrounding areas. Are you making a different point?
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Hmm... why are you guys arguing about a small disagreement? (IMO it's a small disagreement if you go back a few pages)

Anyways, the tropical Atlantic is mainly quiet.
And as you know already, we are now tracking two areas of interest; one in the CAtl, one about to emerge from Western Africa. They don't look that bad, but the former doesn't look that good either. They have the potential to form into a tropical cyclone in the next 72~96 hours, in my opinion. I'm only looking at satellite pictures, so I could be wrong. Speaking of satellite images, here is one for the North Atlantic basin, plus a current tropicl cyclone probability map:


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Below are the two words used everyday on this blog in the GW argument by "respected" bloggers..

IGNORANT and STUPID

Go outside, call a love one..enjoy the earth while its still here..your computer has a battery, it will be okay..I promise you..
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Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
Good Day to all from America's Left Coast


WestSide!
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Quoting hydrus:
Watch me.
smoke hemp? enjoy the headaches..
now "not-hemp".. well, go right ahead :)
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Good Day to all from America's Left Coast
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Quoting Minnemike:
a lot of petroleum products can be replaced via hemp. a crop that helps the land, the air, and our foreign policy issues.. just saying ;)

just like big cities are putting in light rail on the exact same lines that they ripped out 60yrs ago when cars made trolleys obsolete, so too shall we eventually sew the crop this nation was founded upon!
and no, you cannot smoke it :P
Watch me.
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Looks like this Tropical Wave combined with this moisture in the SE Bahamas are going to team up and provide a wet several days to FL starting on Sunday.

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As the bickering is increasing, how about we talk about something weather related? As much as I would like to go back and forth about the merits of trolling, it gets tiresome after a while.



SE TX, for the first time in over a year, is finally fully out of drought or dry conditions!




But sadly, most of the country is falling further into drought.
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Quoting Patrap:
..I smell Hemp oil burning
Might be a blessing.....Quiets things down sometimes..
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655. yoboi
Quoting jeffs713:
Have you thought of a comedy routine? Or maybe a book about alternate realities?



i will not sink to your level an insult ya like you are me just because we disagree, i will hold myself to a higher standard...
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Quoting islandblow:
Intense tropical wave passed over Dominica and rest of Lesser Antilles during the night now moving into the Caribbean Sea. Heavy rain and thunderstorms. Streams on more mountainous islands overflowing and some landslides.

As the system enters the Caribbean, the west coasts of the islands are beginning to experience above normal sea swells. We will see if it intensifies now that its through the island chain.
Good to hear you guys got some rain... Hope the flooding / landslides don't cause too much damage...

Quoting StormTracker2K:
I hope people realize that Global Warming is FACT! There is record heat happening all over the Globe right now and I'm affraid that these weather patterns are only going to get more extreme over the coming years.

Also talk about AMAZING this tornado was in Saskatchewan, Canada.




This is where Saskatchewan is located folks. 10 more years then we will be hearing about tornadoes in Alaska at the pace were going.
If u check ur records, u will discover that tornados in Saskatchewan are not that uncommon... especially given that the northern end of the great plains exend into that province... I'd be interested to see where exactly in Saskatchewan this tornado touched down... think I'll look at the news reports.

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653. yoboi
Quoting jeffs713:

Actually, its kinda crunchy.

I can take whatever trolling is dropped on me. I find it amusing and entertaining. It gives me some mental exercise, too.

(I know yoboi is trying to troll me, don't worry)



i don't agree with everything you say, even so i never called you a troll...god forbid when someone does not agree with you it's all out hooks an trolling....
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Quoting jeffs713:

Really? So explaining my stance with facts and logic, and calling someone out for using a straw man argument is attacking someone?

In that case, I think everyone who dares to post "facts" is attacking someone.

Really... let it go. Baha was calling you out for what he felt was an inappropriate tone. Constructive criticism is a very useful commodity, when it is not consumed with a side of butthurt.


Basically calling someone stupid isn't an attack? The guy doesn't understand an analogy? Come on man!
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Quoting yoboi:


the ships planes fossil fuel burning plays no big role in glacier melting???? really amazes me hey captain make sure the 50 ships behind us make a right turn around that there glacier....nah you are right the harm they doing can't even notice...
Have you thought of a comedy routine? Or maybe a book about alternate realities?

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Quoting jeffs713:

Baha wasn't disagreeing with you - he was disagreeing with your methods and tone.


Oh please. What BS as that tone was nothing to what is on this blog everyday by you and others on here.
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Quoting StormTracker2K:


Now this is a post attacking someone Baha.

Really? So explaining my stance with facts and logic, and calling someone out for using a straw man argument is attacking someone?

In that case, I think everyone who dares to post "facts" is attacking someone.

Really... let it go. Baha was calling you out for what he felt was an inappropriate tone. Constructive criticism is a very useful commodity, when it is not consumed with a side of butthurt.
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Quoting StormTracker2K:


Now this is a post attacking someone Baha.

Not sure how you consider that an attack...but...whatever.
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647. yoboi
Quoting jeffs713:


Ok... Here, since you cannot accept an analogy, lets try this:

The population of Greenland (a whopping 56,744) has been largely stable for the past 20 years Link. In that time, the average temp has increased as evidenced by glacier melting.

In that same time, the population of Thailand (currently slightly over 67 million) has increased by roughly 20%. Link

In that same time, the population of South Africa has increased by 40%, to 50.5 million. Link

So if average temperatures and extreme temperatures increase in Greenland (as evidenced by Dr. Masters' current post)... but the population stays statistically THE SAME... and populations explode elsewhere in the world, it is the fault of the 56,744 people in Greenland?

Huh?

You are definitely using a straw man argument, which is a significant logical fallacy. Please try again.


the ships planes fossil fuel burning plays no big role in glacier melting???? really amazes me hey captain make sure the 50 ships behind us make a right turn around that there glacier....nah you are right the harm they doing can't even notice...
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Quoting StormTracker2K:


You smell me ticked off is what you smell. Maybe this Baha guy should go back and read my post as I was ALWAYS provide sources to my post and also provide informative info with my post to back Doc's Blog.

Baha wasn't disagreeing with you - he was disagreeing with your methods and tone.
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Quoting bappit:

I sometimes see people laughing at them on here.


Only those on denial.
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Quoting BigTuna:
That hook in your cheek looks painful.

Actually, its kinda crunchy.

I can take whatever trolling is dropped on me. I find it amusing and entertaining. It gives me some mental exercise, too.

(I know yoboi is trying to troll me, don't worry)
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Quoting jeffs713:


Ok... Here, since you cannot accept an analogy, lets try this:

The population of Greenland (a whopping 56,744) has been largely stable for the past 20 years Link. In that time, the average temp has increased as evidenced by glacier melting.

In that same time, the population of Thailand (currently slightly over 67 million) has increased by roughly 20%. Link

In that same time, the population of South Africa has increased by 40%, to 50.5 million. Link

So if average temperatures and extreme temperatures increase in Greenland (as evidenced by Dr. Masters' current post)... but the population stays statistically THE SAME... and populations explode elsewhere in the world, it is the fault of the 56,744 people in Greenland?

Huh?

You are definitely using a straw man argument, which is a significant logical fallacy. Please try again.


Now this is a post attacking someone Baha.
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Eh ?

LoL


I don't see all post save for when some quote the way im configured filter wise,so I really dont have a clue as to why you quoted me

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Quoting Patrap:
..I smell Hemp oil burning


You smell me ticked off is what you smell. Maybe this Baha guy should go back and read my post as I was ALWAYS provide sources to my post and also provide informative info with my post to back Doc's Blog.
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Quoting wxchaser97:
What happens when it goes over water, we shall see.


If by the models are concerned,this wave does not have a chance to develop as none develop,but we will see what happens as it hits the water and if the models start to latch on it if they do at all.
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Quoting yoboi:


you keep saying man is causing the globe to warm fossil fuels are bad....i agree but why do we have all these people at the noth pole with ships tractors airplanes burning fossil fues daily there.....the stuff you preach against they at the north pole doing....makes no sense at all....


Ok... Here, since you cannot accept an analogy, lets try this:

The population of Greenland (a whopping 56,744) has been largely stable for the past 20 years Link. In that time, the average temp has increased as evidenced by glacier melting.

In that same time, the population of Thailand (currently slightly over 67 million) has increased by roughly 20%. Link

In that same time, the population of South Africa has increased by 40%, to 50.5 million. Link

So if average temperatures and extreme temperatures increase in Greenland (as evidenced by Dr. Masters' current post)... but the population stays statistically THE SAME... and populations explode elsewhere in the world, it is the fault of the 56,744 people in Greenland?

Huh?

You are definitely using a straw man argument, which is a significant logical fallacy. Please try again.
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this is a very interesting link to me, and I actually want to draw it to the attention of wxmod..
Link
the reason being, that these are not identifiable from the ground... wxmod mentioned ship contrails not being depicted in any photos online, but that is simply because their scale exceeds recognition from surface obs..
no debate about anything, just mentions of neat stuff and some reasoning about other stuff.. :)
i have always loved the fractal appearance of these 'actinoform' clouds!!!
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..I smell Hemp oil burning
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Still looking very good.

What happens when it goes over water, we shall see.
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You gotta love when someone disagrees with your post and then blast you for it. If anyone is bullying it is you Baha and I am sorry that you disagree GW is occuring as my post was not to offend you.
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Quoting Arisilde (#602):
Welcome. I will try to give you the answer to the question "is there global cooling?"

[snip]


That's quite a Gish Gallop of anecdotal news snippets interspersed with paragraphs containing everything from utter nonsense to outright falsehoods, my friend. Nearly all of the assumptions in your comment have been thoroughly and repeatedly--some might say endlessly--debunked. Yet here they are once more. Sigh...

Also--helpful hint--next time you copy cut and paste from a denialist site, please provide the actual hyperinks from that site. If nothing else, we can all use a good laugh now and then... ;-)
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Quoting jrweatherman:
Just added Joe B. to follow on twitter. Really like his posts.

I sometimes see people laughing at them on here.
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wow just got done offloading 650 tires for the IWK 250 race here in Nova Scotia... pooped!
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631. yoboi
Quoting BigTuna:
That hook in your cheek looks painful.


let's always use the hook routine when someone brings up a valid point.....classic
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Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all...

You know, I really hate the confrontational, contentious, downright bullying tone you are using here. It seems to me posts like this do more to alienate people, to put their backs up, than anything else. I wonder if that isn't your goal in the first place.

Unlike a number of other bloggers here who actively and conscientiously attempt to provide information about global changes, you are simply baiting people who you disagree with. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who, like me, don't appreciate being jeered at or told what to think. If anything, this will just make us even more unlikely to "see things your way". We DO appreciate a reasoned argument, but that is not what you are presenting.

I also don't think it is right - or fair - for you or anybody else to try to force non-AGW supporters off the blog, which is what you seem to be doing here. I personally believe there is a very important role to be played in this debate by those on the dissenting side of this argument, and your baseless arrogance as presented in this post anegates the value of their contribution. Unlike you, I realize that we don't know everything, and serious debate based on factual scientific information is one very effective way of getting at the aspects of climate change we don't as yet understand.

I certainly hope - in fact I encourage you to do so - that you will cease this pompous ranting and make more reasoned, mature contributions to this discussion.




Baha you are out of line. Let me get you straight on a few things I do provide scientific information as I did on a couple of my post this morning, two I never baited anybody as it was just a general question because of all this extreme heat around the globe and very strange wx patterns that have been occuring over the last few years, also I don't care if people see things my way as everybody has their own opinions, and to end this If anyone is starting a fight it is you sir with this outlandish post. My post was not to offend anybody as you were the only one who was offended. Infact everyone on here post like that so deal! What a piece of work this guy is today.
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