Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:25 PM GMT on July 18, 2012

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The coldest place in Greenland, and often the entire Northern Hemisphere, is commonly the Summit Station. Located at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet, 10,551 feet (3216 meters) above sea level, and 415 miles (670 km) north of the Arctic Circle, Summit rarely sees temperatures that rise above the freezing mark. In the 12-year span 2000 - 2011, Summit temperatures rose above freezing only four times, according to weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera. But remarkably, over the past week, temperatures at Summit have eclipsed the freezing mark on five days, including four days in a row from July 11 - 14. There are actually three weather stations located at the location--Summit, Summit-US, and Summit AWS. The highest reliable temperature measured at any of the three stations is now the 3.6°C (38.5°F) measured on Monday, July 16, 2012 at Summit-US. A 4.4°C reading at Summit in May, 2010 is bogus, as can be seen by looking at the adjacent station. Similarly, a 3.3°C reading from June 2004 is also bad. Records at Summit began in 1987.


Video 1. A 20-ton tractor attempting to repair a bridge washed out by the raging Watson River on July 11, 2012 in Kangerlussauaq, Greenland gets washed downstream. The driver escaped unharmed. Image taken from an article, Warm air over the ice sheet provides great drama in Greenland, at the Danish Meteorological Institute's web site.

Record heat leads to major flooding in Greenland
The record heat has triggered significant melting of Greenland's Ice Sheet. According to the Arctic Sea Ice Blog, on July 11, glacier melt water from the Russell Glacier flooded the Watson River, smashing two bridges connecting the north and south of Kangerlussuaq (Sønder Strømfjord), a small settlement in southwestern Greenland. The flow rate of 3.5 million liters/sec was almost double the previous record flow rate. The latest forecast for Summit calls for cooler conditions over the coming week, with no more above-freezing temperatures at Summit.

Another huge iceberg calves off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier
A massive ice island two times the size of Manhattan and half as thick as the Empire State Building calved off of Greenland's Petermann Glacier on Monday, July 16, 2012. According to Andreas Muenchow, associate professor of physical ocean science and engineering at the University of Delaware's College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment in his Icy Seas blog, the break-off point has been visible for at least 8 years in satellite imagery, and has been propagating at 1 km/year towards Nares Strait. The same glacier calved an iceberg twice as big back on August 4, 2010--the largest iceberg observed in the Arctic since 1962. The freshwater stored in that ice island could have kept the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years, or kept all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days. “While the size is not as spectacular as it was in 2010, the fact that it follows so closely to the 2010 event brings the glacier’s terminus to a location where it has not been for at least 150 years,” Muenchow said in a university press release. “Northwest Greenland and northeast Canada are warming more than five times faster than the rest of the world, but the observed warming is not proof that the diminishing ice shelf is caused by this, because air temperatures have little effect on this glacier; ocean temperatures do, and our ocean temperature time series are only five to eight years long — too short to establish a robust warming signal.”


Figure 1. The calving of a massive 46 square-mile iceberg two times the size of Manhattan from Greenland's Petermann Glacier on July 14 - 18, 2012, as seen using MODIS satellite imagery. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Look familiar? Two years ago, a 100 square-mile ice island broke off the Petermann Glacier. It was the largest iceberg in the Arctic since 1962. Image taken by NASA's Aqua satellite on August 21, 2010. Image credit: NASA. I've constructed a 7-frame satellite animation available here that shows the calving and break-up of the Petermann Glacier ice island. The animation begins on August 5, 2010, and ends on September 21, with images spaced about 8 days apart. The images were taken by NASA's Aqua and Terra satellites.

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Unprecedented May heat in Greenland; update on 2011 Greenland ice melt

Greenland update for 2010: record melting and a massive calving event

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Quoting washingtonian115:
That wave coming off of Africa will not develop.
Wanna bet? LOL
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760 KEEPEROFTHEGATE: Rapid climate shift can and has happened in the past. Flips occur and on a regular basics

Climate shifts can, and often do, occur rapidly.
The end effects lag behind those shifts on a millennial scale.
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Quoting 954FtLCane:


Oh my.....so negative. :-)
It has a lot of dry air to contend with.
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
to be honest 26 27 of the month side winder up and out from south western carb.west of caymen up over isle youth fester a few days rise up with the waxing of the moon


hows that for ya gro
KOG, why are you sending that thing my way????
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Thanks all for the words of support, really making my day. In some ways, I get it, this ain't no Democracy. Rules are expected to be followed, and I technically did violate them. Just didn't expect Jeff to be so curt. Made me feel as though I add nothing here and he'd be happy if I left.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
That wave coming off of Africa will not develop.


Oh my.....so negative. ;-)
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I found a storm that actually developed while it was over Africa. Unfortunately don't know the name and year of that storm.

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Quoting BahaHurican:
You realize my problem isn't with you, personally, just with the tone of that particular post?

I don't think you realize how offensive your comment sounded to somebody who is not you. I also note that I was not the only one offended; several pple plussed the post and two others responded positively to my comment.

I've noticed some other posts today that have been addressing the issue by talking about facts [or at least attempting to do so]. If this is your normal approach, I applaud it and hope you will continue to make such posts. The post I quoted, however, was a lot more condescending than you [may have] realized.
I do not know if you saw this post Baha.. Quoting RitaEvac:


Gonna need $200 oil and major crisis then. May not be too far down the road from the looks of things

Hydrus.......It is better this way. They have always said that we would run out of oil anyway. It seems better to find alternatives now then to run out and be scrambling for the solutions to our energy needs later. We are growing, and will have to find other sources beyond oil and coal..It is in my own humble opinion that nuclear fusion reactors will arrive sooner than predicted as long as there are no more wars.
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I guess I have no problem with not being off topic, IF that applies to everyone else too. Yesterday, I was having this discussion with others. My one comment was the only one removed. There were numerous others stating on the very same subject matter. It was a very serious comment with huge possible implications that got removed. Just wondering why only my one comment was removed, that makes very little sense to me.
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to be honest 26 27 of the month side winder up and out from south western carb.west of caymen up over isle youth fester a few days rise up with the waxing of the moon


hows that for ya gro
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Quoting Tribucanes:
Posted one yesterday about very important worldly events unfolding; it literally instantly disappeared. Was a little freaked out. Like literally, under two minutes, and it was gone. Jeff messaged me and told me he had happened to be on at that very minute and removed it himself for not being weather related. So no more off topic for me, don't agree with that, but this ain't my site. Anyone ever want to have an off topic conversation with me, just private message me here, if I stay a member. Until then it's weather, climate, and nothing else. To say his message was curt would be very accurate. I may not be returning, wish you all well.
Don't go! I guess a lot of people would have had their posts removed yesterday if Dr. Masters had noticed them. I suppose we get away with a lot of BS. ...So this does not get kicked out....NOW for the Weather... Sunny and moist here in Key West with the outlook for more of the same through the weekend. Maybe no rain until that tropical wave makes it here. We do get Pops but with the islands the way they are, they are usually hit and miss.
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768. VR46L
Quoting Tribucanes:
Posted one yesterday about very important worldly events unfolding; it literally instantly disappeared. Was a little freaked out. Like literally, under two minutes, and it was gone. Jeff messaged me and told me he had happened to be on at that very minute and removed it himself for not being weather related. So no more off topic for me, don't agree with that, but this ain't my site. Anyone ever want to have an off topic conversation with me, just private message me here, if I stay a member. Until then it's weather, climate, and nothing else. To say his message was curt would be very accurate. I may not be returning, wish you all well.


Sorry to hear that , I may not have agreed with everything you wrote however by enlarge I enjoyed your posts .. Just goes back to the debate yesterday and the lack of freedom of speech here..
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That wave coming off of Africa will not develop.
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Quoting greentortuloni:


I agree about reducing the footprint being good, but I think we are past the point of any footprint being acceptable, at least any net footprint.

China, by the way, is producing e-bikes at a record pace nad doing a lot of other stuff to reduce pollution. Their leaders haven't been bought by corporations and they haven't done a low IQ LBO to find a power base.
In response to my question the other day about over the pole air flights, Skyepony posted a link to some info, which I could not locate there - maybe because I got hung up on other news at the link about China's Arctic Research Expedition 5 (ARE5). Most exciting, the hint of (hope of?) international co-operation. Seventy scientists aboard include two from Iceland and... "Apart from the two Icelanders, France, USA and Taiwan also have representatives on board."

According to the marine traffic link provided, the ship, Xuelong - Snow Dragon, has traversed the Bering Strait and is along the NW Alaska coast.

The planned route:

image is a link to China ARE5 site.

As an aside, I probably won't live to see it, but will be interesting to observe what kind of changes the years bring within the Chinese government/authority.

"Make Solutions, not Data."

(T-58)
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Quoting kwgirl:
I am with you Gro. Ever since you pointed it out my gut has been reacting. LOL so much for my prediction!


I posted it 3 days ago when it was over Central Africa. You actually remember that?????? Thanks kw.
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12z Euro running..

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Quoting Grothar:


My model does.

I am with you Gro. Ever since you pointed it out my gut has been reacting. LOL so much for my prediction!
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Quoting Grothar:


But I thought you knew these things ahead of time. You should already know what it is going to do.
i will once its over water first
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


So far none of the models does anything with it.

NHC still only referring to "monsoon trough" in that area. SAL is considerable to the north and south of it.


...ITCZ/MONSOON TROUGH...

THE MONSOON TROUGH EXTENDS INLAND ACROSS WEST AFRICA...ENTERING THE ATLC THROUGH THE COAST OF GUINEA NEAR 10N14W TO 8N22W 12N35W TO 8N46W...WHERE THE ITCZ CONTINUES WEST TO THE COAST OF GUYANA NEAR 8N59W. SCATTERED WEAK TO ISOLATED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 7N-13N BETWEEN 35W-40W AND WITHIN 130 NM S OF THE MONSOON TROUGH E OF 30W.

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Quoting aspectre:
685 stormchaser19:
This will be the next step of the Earth cycle after the Global Warming.

Nope. 1) If there is one thing that humans have learned from this Debacle, it's how to stop IceAges.
2) If those aren't technologically sophisticated humans in the foreground, those buildings would have totally collapsed at least a millenium previously. It takes a _l_o_n_g_ time for an IceAge glacial sheet to advance that far south.


rapid climate shift can and has happened in the past
flips occur and on a regular basics
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

once over water the first 24 then we know the outcome


But I thought you knew these things ahead of time. You should already know what it is going to do.
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758. yoboi
Quoting BigTuna:
I gave you a chance to explain your point and this is what you chose to post instead. I remain unconvinced that you're not trolling.


and if ya don't like what i have to say ya call me a troll and when i agree ya call me a troll...what's up??
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Quoting Tribucanes:
Posted one yesterday about very important worldly events unfolding; it literally instantly disappeared. Was a little freaked out. Like literally, under two minutes, and it was gone. Jeff messaged me and told me he had happened to be on at that very minute and removed it himself for not being weather related. So no more off topic for me, don't agree with that, but this ain't my site. Anyone ever want to have an off topic conversation with me, just private message me here, if I stay a member. Until then it's weather, climate, and nothing else. To say his message was curt would be very accurate. I may not be returning, wish you all well.


but Memes and rock videos are? I hope you stay..I am waiting on your blog..
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Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


The sal/dry air is less large than yesterday.
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755. yoboi
Quoting Tribucanes:
Posted one yesterday about very important worldly events unfolding; it literally instantly disappeared. Was a little freaked out. Like literally, under two minutes, and it was gone. Jeff messaged me and told me he had happened to be on at that very minute and removed it himself for not being weather related. So no more off topic for me, don't agree with that, but this ain't my site. Anyone ever want to have an off topic conversation with me, just private message me here, if I stay a member. Until then it's weather, climate, and nothing else. To say his message was curt would be very accurate. I may not be returning, wish you all well.


hang in there...stuff happens.
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Quoting Grothar:


My model does.


once over water the first 24 then we know the outcome
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Quoting BigTuna:
I gave you a chance to explain your point and this is what you chose to post instead. I remain unconvinced that you're not trolling.


Then put her/him on ignore and move on. Geez
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685 stormchaser19:
This will be the next step of the Earth cycle after the Global Warming.

Nope. 1) If there is one thing that humans have learned from this Debacle, it's how to stop IceAges.
2) If those aren't technologically sophisticated humans in the foreground, those buildings would have totally collapsed at least a millennium previously. It takes a L_O_N_G time for an IceAge glacial sheet to advance that far south.
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751. Tropicsweatherpr
5:52 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting wxchaser97:


The sal/dry air is less large than yesterday.
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750. pottery
5:51 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting Grothar:


My model does.


What's her name?
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749. Tribucanes
5:50 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Posted one yesterday about very important worldly events unfolding; it literally instantly disappeared. Was a little freaked out. Like literally, under two minutes, and it was gone. Jeff messaged me and told me he had happened to be on at that very minute and removed it himself for not being weather related. So no more off topic for me, don't agree with that, but this ain't my site. Anyone ever want to have an off topic conversation with me, just private message me here, if I stay a member. Until then it's weather, climate, and nothing else. To say his message was curt would be very accurate. I may not be returning, wish you all well.
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748. wxchaser97
5:50 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Cool site Chicklit
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747. Grothar
5:50 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting BahaHurican:
If you read any of my other posts, you will note I don't disagree with you on the ISSUE; I just found your tone offensive.

But I quoted your post. There wasn't much too it besides the rhetorical? question.

Anyway, let's not argue about this anymore. I looked at some of ur other posts and realized I am normally plussing what u put up, so maybe that one post was just early morning exuberance. I still maintain, though, that thinking about the way you say things can be important - indeed sometimes vital - to how well you achieve your objectives.

My teacher used to say, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." I think on the internet those words are truer than ever....


Do you know how it hurts to see two of your friends fighting?
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746. Grothar
5:48 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Do any of the models develop this, it really looks good?


My model does.

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745. pipelines
5:47 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
I love how so many people are saying Dr. Masters keeps posting about global warming/man made climate change, etc. Look at his most recent blog post, he talks about a significant event that has never before occured in Greenlands recorded history. Everyone here has made the connection between this event and climate change on their own. And some others are making the assumption that any talk that is pro climate change occuring is automatically saying it is man made.

Here's a fact, Dr. Masters has NEVER said that current climate change is caused by humans.

Here's another fact, it doesn't matter what is causing climate change at this point, what does matter is that rapid climate change will destroy billions of lives.

Most of the signs are indicating a climate shift, it doesn't matter if it's caused by humans, or the sun, or volcanic activity, or if it's a natural cycle. We must prepare for it.
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744. BigTuna
5:47 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting yoboi:



for now on i am just going to agree with whatever ya have to say....when i disagree i get bashed called a troll and all other sort of names....with that sort of attitude ya wonder why people don't listen to your views...
I gave you a chance to explain your point and this is what you chose to post instead. I remain unconvinced that you're not trolling.
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743. Tropicsweatherpr
5:47 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Do any of the models develop this, it really looks good?


So far none of the models does anything with it.
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742. wxchaser97
5:45 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting Methurricanes:
I meant, how the Embassadors Bridge, and the Detroit-widnsor Tunnel where both shut down in the last few days.
on a weather note, There was a waterspout (torndaic one) off Lynn Massachusetts yesterday, down on the South Shore, I saw the shelf cloud and it got really brezzy and rainy, That storm caused power outages from Lowell, down to Lynn (about 15 miles) but the bulk of the storm went offshore.
There was also a Microburst in Arlington, MA (north of Cambridge) which caused some damage.
Hmmmm, I didn't hear about that and I usually check the news. Must have been interesting there yesterday.
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741. GTcooliebai
5:44 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
The latest image on West African Wave.

Do any of the models develop this, it really looks good?
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740. Chicklit
5:43 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting Patrap:

Nothing like a ESL by LSU New Format,

,,,pffth.


Really?

I mean, what was wrong with the old Layout?

Where WAVCIS Go to ?

Im gonna pen a letter now.

In cursive script too.


This page is kinda cool, Pat
Link Current tropical activity in the Atlantic Storm Basin
Storms for 2012 Atlantic Basin

Tropical Storm Alberto Dissipated
Tropical Storm Beryl Dissipated
Hurricane Chris Dissipated
Tropical Storm Debby Dissipated
ERNESTO Unborn
FLORENCE Unborn
GORDON Unborn
HELENE Unborn
ISAAC Unborn
JOYCE Unborn
KIRK Unborn
LESLIE Unborn
MICHAEL Unborn
NADINE Unborn
OSCAR Unborn
PATTY Unborn
RAFAEL Unborn
SANDY Unborn
TONY Unborn
VALERIE Unborn
WILLIAM Unborn
FLORENCE Unborn
GORDON Unborn
ERNESTO Unborn
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739. Patrap
5:42 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
I'm so confused.
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738. BahaHurican
5:41 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting StormTracker2K:
You gotta love when someone disagrees with your post and then blast you for it. If anyone is bullying it is you Baha and I am sorry that you disagree GW is occuring as my post was not to offend you.
If you read any of my other posts, you will note I don't disagree with you on the ISSUE; I just found your tone offensive.

Quoting StormTracker2K:


You smell me ticked off is what you smell. Maybe this Baha guy should go back and read my post as I was ALWAYS provide sources to my post and also provide informative info with my post to back Doc's Blog.
But I quoted your post. There wasn't much too it besides the rhetorical? question.

Anyway, let's not argue about this anymore. I looked at some of ur other posts and realized I am normally plussing what u put up, so maybe that one post was just early morning exuberance. I still maintain, though, that thinking about the way you say things can be important - indeed sometimes vital - to how well you achieve your objectives.

My teacher used to say, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." I think on the internet those words are truer than ever....
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737. pottery
5:39 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting Tribucanes:
Wow, pretty intense in here today. If the poles disappear at some point all together would the Earth enter a rapid cooling phase and a Day After Tomorrow situation occur? Or is far more likely that continued heating, continued watershed degragation, continued famine and drought and sea rise will be the beast we're dealing with for the next hundred years? We can be reactionary now at best in my belief. We will be moving the coast, rebuilding a new coast at an astronomical cost; because any new coast will have to be built at elevation for future sea rises. We will be relocating tens of millions here and billions worldwide. We will have to find a new way to feed the planet at the current rate too; as food supplies diminish at faster and faster rates. As historic water supplies worldwide are drying up at scary rates; this will only increase. We as a world will be facing a problem of epic magnitude as states and countries fight over who gets what's left of the water supply. But as politician are slapping each other on the back and saying, "Hey, we won't be in office then!" "Hell, we may not even be alive then." Nothing gets done and this worldly issue gets pushed further and further out of the minds of the masses.

Reported!

because the discussion here today is all silly stuff, (well, not all of it) and your post is sensible and relevant.
Please stay on topic in future.

(Great post, yours!)
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736. Patrap
5:35 PM GMT on July 19, 2012

Nothing like a ESL by LSU New Format,

,,,pffth.


Really?

I mean, what was wrong with the old Layout?

Where WAVCIS Go to ?

Im gonna pen a letter now.

In cursive script too.
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735. Tribucanes
5:33 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Wow, pretty intense in here today. If the poles disappear at some point all together would the Earth enter a rapid cooling phase and a Day After Tomorrow situation occur? Or is far more likely that continued heating, continued watershed degragation, continued famine and drought and sea rise will be the beast we're dealing with for the next hundred years? We can be reactionary now at best in my belief. We will be moving the coast, rebuilding a new coast at an astronomical cost; because any new coast will have to be built at elevation for future sea rises. We will be relocating tens of millions here and billions worldwide. We will have to find a new way to feed the planet at the current rate too; as food supplies diminish at faster and faster rates. As historic water supplies worldwide are drying up at scary rates; this will only increase. We as a world will be facing a problem of epic magnitude as states and countries fight over who gets what's left of the water supply. Politicians are slapping each other on the back and saying, "Hey, we won't be in office then!" "Hell, we may not even be alive then." Nothing gets done and this worldly issue gets pushed further and further out of the minds of the masses.
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734. Minnemike
5:32 PM GMT on July 19, 2012

i have no idea if there is relevancy, but i don't see why not ;)
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733. wxchaser97
5:32 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
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732. Methurricanes
5:30 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting wxchaser97:

Its a rainy day here which is good and a temp of 69F. First day in a long while with highs in the upper 60s to low 70s. I love hearing the sound of rain falling and that cool feeling. I'm in Berkley, MI which is a suburb of Detroit and we are lucky to get a day like today.
I meant, how the Embassadors Bridge, and the Detroit-widnsor Tunnel where both shut down in the last few days.
on a weather note, There was a waterspout (torndaic one) off Lynn Massachusetts yesterday, down on the South Shore, I saw the shelf cloud and it got really brezzy and rainy, That storm caused power outages from Lowell, down to Lynn (about 15 miles) but the bulk of the storm went offshore.
There was also a Microburst in Arlington, MA (north of Cambridge) which caused some damage.
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731. 954FtLCane
5:29 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Found this article by typing the words "global warming dogs" in Google. Really we need something in the tropics... please Lawdie an invest...please! If not who knows what word search I'll do next! ;-)

Your Pet Is a Global Warming Machine -- Though some environmentalists love their dogs more than they love their Sierra Club reusable water bottles, a single dog can have a bigger ecological footprint than an SUV. And cats aren%u2019t much better. Read more.....
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730. yoboi
5:28 PM GMT on July 19, 2012
Quoting BahaHurican:
You realize my problem isn't with you, personally, just with the tone of that particular post?

I don't think you realize how offensive your comment sounded to somebody who is not you. I also note that I was not the only one offended; several pple plussed the post and two others responded positively to my comment.

I've noticed some other posts today that have been addressing the issue by talking about facts [or at least attempting to do so]. If this is your normal approach, I applaud it and hope you will continue to make such posts. The post I quoted, however, was a lot more condescending than you [may have] realized.


most times people get pluses because they are part of the click that thinks a certain way....i plus people with opposing views when they submitt valid data...
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