The 2012 Atlantic hurricane season begins: what is in store?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:56 PM GMT on June 01, 2012

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The 2012 Atlantic hurricane season is officially underway. With two early season storms, Alberto and Beryl, having already come and gone, this year's season has gotten off to a near-record early start. Since reliable record keeping began in 1851, only the hurricane seasons of 1908 and 1887 had two named storms form so early in the year. So, will this early pace continue? What will this year's hurricane season bring? Here are my top five questions for the coming season:

1) All of the major seasonal hurricane forecasts are calling for a near-average season, with 10 - 13 named storms. Will these pre-season predictions pan out?

2) How will the steering current pattern evolve? Will the U.S. break its six-year run without a major hurricane landfall, the longest such streak since 1861 - 1868?

3) Will the 420,000 people still homeless in Haiti in the wake of the January 2010 earthquake dodge a major tropical cyclone flooding disaster for the third consecutive hurricane season?

4) How will new National Hurricane Center director Rick Knabb fare in his inaugural season?

5) Will the Republican National Convention, scheduled to occur in Tampa during the last week of August, get interrupted by a tropical storm or hurricane?


Figure 1. True-color MODIS satellite image of Beryl taken at 2:35 pm EDT May 27, 2012 by NASA's Aqua satellite. At the time, Beryl was a tropical storm with winds of 65 mph.

Quick summary of the early-season atmosphere/ocean conditions in the Atlantic
Strong upper-level winds tend to create a shearing force on tropical storms (wind shear), which tears them apart before they can get going. In June, two branches of the jet stream, the polar jet to the north, and a subtropical jet to the south, typically bring high levels of wind shear to the Atlantic. The southern subtropical jet currently lies over the Caribbean, and is expected to remain there the next two weeks, making development unlikely in the Caribbean. Between the subtropical jet to the south and the polar jet to the north, a "hole" in the wind shear pattern formed during May off the Southeast U.S. coast, and this is where both Alberto and Beryl were able to form. Their formation was aided by the fact ocean temperatures off the U.S. East coast are quite warm--about 1 - 2°C above average. A wind shear "hole" is predicted to periodically open up during the next two weeks off the Southeast U.S. coast, making that region the most likely area of formation for any first-half-of-June tropical storms. However, none of the reliable computer models are predicting tropical storm formation in the Atlantic between now and June 8.

May ocean temperatures in the tropical Atlantic are approximately the third coolest we've seen since the current active hurricane period began in 1995. SSTs in the Main Development Region (MDR), between 10 - 20°N latitude, from the coast of Africa to the Central America, were about 0.35°C above average in May, according to NOAA's Coral Reef Watch. Tropical storm activity in the Atlantic is strongly dependent on ocean temperatures in this region, and the relatively cool temperatures imply that we should see a delayed start to development of tropical waves coming off the coast of Africa and moving into the Caribbean, compared to the period 1995 - 2011. An interesting feature of this month's SST departure from average image (Figure 2) is the large area of record-warm ocean temperatures off the mid-Atlantic and New England coasts, from North Carolina to Massachusetts. Ocean temperatures are 3 - 5°C (5 - 9°F) above average in this region. This makes waters of much above-average warmth likely to be present during the peak part of hurricane season, increasing the chances for a strong hurricane to affect the mid-Atlantic and New England coast.

The upper-level jet stream pattern is critical for determining where any tropical storms and hurricanes that form might go. Presently, these "steering currents" are in a typical configuration for June, favoring a northward or northeastward motion for any storms that might form. However, steering current patterns are fickle and difficult to predict more that seven days in advance, and there is no telling how the steering current pattern might evolve this hurricane season. We might see a pattern like evolved during 2004 - 2005, with a westward-extending Bermuda High, forcing storms into Florida and the Gulf Coast. Or, we might see a pattern like occurred during 2010 - 2011, with the large majority of the storms recurving harmlessly out to sea. That's about as helpful as a weather forecast of "Sho' enough looks like rain, lessen' of course it clears up," I realize.


Figure 2. Departure of sea surface temperature from average for May 31, 2012. Image credit: NOAA/NESDIS.

Colorado State predicts a slightly above-average hurricane season
A slightly above-average Atlantic hurricane season is on tap for 2012, according to the seasonal hurricane forecast issued June 1 by Dr. Phil Klotzbach and Dr. Bill Gray of Colorado State University (CSU). The CSU team is calling for 13 named storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes, and an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) of 80, which is 87% of average. This is very close to the 1981 - 2010 average of 12 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 3 major hurricanes. Hurricane seasons during the active hurricane period 1995 - 2011 have averaged 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes, with an ACE index 153% of the median. The forecast calls for an average chance of a major hurricane hitting the U.S., both along the East Coast (28% chance, 31% chance is average) and the Gulf Coast (28% chance, 30% chance is average). The risk of a major hurricane in the Caribbean is also average, at 39% (42% is average.) The CSU teams expects we will have a weak El Niño develop by the peak of this year's hurricane season in September, which will cut down on this year's activity by increasing wind shear over the Tropical Atlantic. However, there is considerable uncertainty in this outlook.

Analogue years
The CSU team picked four previous years when atmospheric and oceanic conditions were similar to what we are seeing this year: neutral El Niño conditions in April - May and average tropical Atlantic and far North Atlantic SSTs during
April - May, followed by August - October periods that were generally characterized by weak El Niño conditions and average tropical Atlantic SSTs . Those four years were 2009, a quiet El Niño year with only 3 hurricanes; 2001, which featured two major Caribbean hurricanes, Iris and Michelle; 1968, a very quiet year with no hurricanes stronger than a Category 1; and 1953, a moderately busy year with 14 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 4 intense hurricanes. The mean activity for these four years was 11.5 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2.5 intense hurricanes.

How accurate are the June forecasts?
The June forecasts by the CSU team between 1998 and 2009 had a skill 19% - 30% higher than a "no-skill" climatology forecast for number of named storms, number of hurricanes, and the ACE index (Figure 3). This is a decent amount of skill for a seasonal forecast, and these June forecasts can be useful to businesses such as the insurance industry and oil and gas industry that need to make bets on how active the coming hurricane season will be. Unfortunately, the CSU June 1 forecasts do poorly at forecasting the number of major hurricanes (only 3% skill), and major hurricanes cause 80% - 85% of all hurricane damage (normalized to current population and wealth levels.) This year's June forecast uses a brand new formula tried in 2011 for the first time, so there is no way to evaluate its performance. An Excel spreadsheet of their forecast skill (expressed as a mathematical correlation coefficient) show values from 0.41 to 0.62 for their June forecasts made between 1984 and 2010, which is respectable.


Figure 3. Comparison of the percent improvement over climatology for May and August seasonal hurricane forecasts for the Atlantic from NOAA, CSU and TSR from 1999-2009 (May) and 1998-2009 (August), using the Mean Squared Error. Image credit: Verification of 12 years of NOAA seasonal hurricane forecasts, National Hurricane Center.


Figure 4. Comparison of the percent improvement in mean square error over climatology for seasonal hurricane forecasts for the Atlantic from NOAA, CSU and TSR from 2002-2011, using the Mean Square Skill Score (MSSS). The figure shows the results using two different climatologies: a fixed 50-year (1950 - 1999) climatology, and a 2002 - 2011 climatology. Skill is poor for forecasts issued in December and April, moderate for June forecasts, and good for August forecasts. Image credit: Tropical Storm Risk, Inc.

TSR predicts a near-average hurricane season
The British private forecasting firm Tropical Storm Risk, Inc. (TSR) calls for 12.7 named storms, 5.7 hurricanes, 2.7 intense hurricanes, and an Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) of 98, which is near average. TSR rates their skill level as 23 - 27% higher than a "no-skill" forecast made using climatology, though an independent assessment by the National Hurricane Center (Figure 3) gives them somewhat lower skill numbers, using a different metric than TSR uses. TSR predicts a 48% chance that U.S. landfalling activity will be above average, a 26% chance it will be near average, and a 26% chance it will be below average. TSR’s two predictors for their statistical model are the forecast July-September trade wind speed over the Caribbean and tropical North Atlantic, and the forecast August-September 2012 sea surface temperatures in the tropical North Atlantic.

TSR projects that 3.6 named storms will hit the U.S., with 1.6 of these being hurricanes. The averages from the 1950-2011 climatology are 3.1 named storms and 1.5 hurricanes. They rate their skill at making these June forecasts for U.S. landfalls at 7 - 11% higher than a "no-skill" forecast made using climatology. In the Lesser Antilles Islands of the Caribbean, TSR projects 1.2 named storms, 0.5 of these being hurricanes. Climatology is 1.1 named storms and 0.5 hurricanes.

FSU predicts a slightly above-average hurricane season: 13 named storms
The Florida State University (FSU) Center for Ocean-Atmospheric Prediction Studies (COAPS) issued their fourth annual Atlantic hurricane season forecast, calling for a 70% probability of 10 - 16 named storms and 5 - 9 hurricanes. The mid-point forecast is for 13 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and an accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) of 122. The scientists use a numerical atmospheric model developed at COAPS to understand seasonal predictability of hurricane activity. The model is one of only a handful of numerical models in the world being used to study seasonal hurricane activity and is different from the statistical methods used by other seasonal hurricane forecasters such as Colorado State, TSR, and PSU (NOAA uses a hybrid statistical-dynamical model technique.) The FSU forecast has been the best one over the past three years, for predicting numbers of Atlantic named storms and hurricanes:

2009 prediction: 8 named storms, 4 hurricanes. Actual: 9 named storms, 3 hurricanes
2010 prediction: 17 named storms, 10 hurricanes. Actual: 19 named storms, 12 hurricanes
2011 prediction: 17 named storms, 9 hurricanes. Actual: 19 named storms, 7 hurricanes

Penn State predicts a near-average hurricane season: 11 named storms
A statistical model by Penn State's Michael Mann and alumnus Michael Kozar is calling for an average Atlantic hurricane season with 11.2 named storms, plus or minus 3.3 storms. Their prediction was made using statistics of how past hurricane seasons have behaved in response to sea surface temperatures (SSTs), the El Niño/La Niña oscillation, the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), and other factors. The statistic model assumes that in 2012 the current 0.35°C above average temperatures in the MDR will persist throughout hurricane season, the El Niño phase will be neutral to slightly warm, and the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) will be near average.

The PSU team has been making Atlantic hurricane season forecasts since 2007, and these predictions have done pretty well:

2007 prediction: 15 named storms, Actual: 15
2009 prediction: 12.5, named storms, Actual: 9
2010 prediction: 23 named storms, Actual: 19
2011 prediction: 16 named storms, Actual: 19

UK Met Office predicts a slightly below-average hurricane season: 10 named storms
The UK Met Office uses a combination of their Glosea4 model and the ECMWF system 4 model to predict seasonal hurricane activity. These dynamical numerical models are predicting a slightly below-average season, with 10 named storms and an ACE index of 90.

NOAA predicts an average hurricane season: 12 named storms
As I discussed in detail in a May 24 blog post, NOAA is calling for 12 named storms, 6 hurricanes, 2 major hurricanes, and an ACE index 102% of normal.



NOAA predicts an average Eastern Pacific hurricane season
NOAA's pre-season prediction for the Eastern Pacific hurricane season, issued on May 24, calls for a near-average season, with 12 -18 named storms, 5 - 9 hurricanes, 2 - 5 major hurricanes, and an ACE index 70% - 130% of the median. The mid-point of these ranges gives us a forecast for 15 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 3.5 major hurricanes, with an ACE index exactly average. The 1981 - 2010 averages for the Eastern Pacific hurricane season are 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes. So far in 2012, there have been two named storms. On average, the 2nd storm of the year doesn't form until June 25. We had a record early appearance of the season's second named storm (Bud on May 21.) Bud was also the strongest Eastern Pacific hurricane on record for so early in the year. Records in the Eastern Pacific extend back to 1949.

Western Pacific typhoon season forecast not available yet
Dr. Johnny Chan of the City University of Hong Kong issues a seasonal forecast of typhoon season in the Western Pacific, but this forecast is not yet available (as of June 1.) An average typhoon season has 27 named storms and 17 typhoons. Typhoon seasons immediately following a La Niña year typically see higher levels of activity in the South China Sea, especially between months of May and July. Also, the jet stream tends to dip farther south than usual to the south of Japan, helping steer more tropical cyclones towards Japan and Korea. With the formation of Tropical Storm Mawar today east of the Philippines, the Western Pacific is exactly on the usual climatological pace for formation of the season's third storm.


Figure 5. Time series of the annual number of tropical storms and typhoons in the Northwest Pacific from 1960 - 2011. Red circles and blue squares indicate El Niño and La Niña years, respectively. Note that La Niña years tend to have lower activity, with 2010 having the lowest activity on record (15 named storms.) In 2011, there were 20 named storms. The thick horizontal line indicates the normal number of named storms (27.) Image credit: City University of Hong Kong.

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hello Chris..00Z euro

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Quoting windshear1993:
what webstite is that model on?


Here ya go Link
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Mawar's eyewall is about 80% complete

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Quoting reedzone:
Agreed TA13,

2002, 2004 are good analogs.. I'm thinking 12-14 storms, 6-9 Hurricanes, 3-6 majors. Depending on wind shear, dry air, and the upcoming El Nino.

2 have already formed...
i think the 2004 is a good anologue year becuase at the peak of hurricane season in that year things started ramping up which was unusual in the fact that elnino was in place..so at the end of the day elnino can be as bad as neutral or lanina phases..btw 2005 was a neutral year
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Good morning. Very hazy sky this morning in San Juan. Another hot day is expected with highs in the low to mid 90,s with little precipitation. This is not in San Juan but on the NW coast as the haze is covering all the island of Puerto Rico. The small island of Desecheo can't be seen.

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Good morning New Orleans! The weather last night was suble due to the heavy showers on Thursday night, Hope it holds out 4 the rest of my short visit here!
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:


I assume that it would continue on from there but I'm not sure where it would go after that. Earlier runs have shown anywhere from Bay of Campeche to over the gulf coast to over Florida. I think the most interesting thing is that it's been consistently showing something trying to form there. I think the conditions are supposed to become favorable for development at that time too.
what webstite is that model on?
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Quoting aspectre:
Mention of the waterspout in NewportNews (video) reminded me that the USS Enterprise is scheduled for decommissioning there on 1Dec20012.

The USNavy is entertaining no bids for purchase-for-preservation&display, insisting on scrap-only purchase bids. In line with that, the ship's hull will be cut in a manner that will allow the easiest&cheapest removal the nuclear reactors, with no hull repair to be done afterwards.
Not that ship clean-up wouldn't be a major headache -- asbestos removal by itself would cost a fortune -- but it's a shame that the first-of-its-kind can't be saved for public display.


Actually was an F1 tornado in Hampton VA. Watching the damage on the news right now.
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Quoting sunlinepr:
Congressman to FDA: Unknown how radioactive fallout in US affected marine environment — Wants ‘a listing of all instances of species found to have elevated levels’

Letter to Food and Drug Administration
Congressman Edward Markey, (D-MA)
June 1, 2012


Link

I request that you provide a full Response no longer than June 22,2012
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Good morning... Typhoon Mawar

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Couldn't be more different than a year ago. Look at the LOWS all over Texas. lol

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Morning Baha, if you're still up. :) Got to be the same front that plowed through here ahead of schedule with a lot of wind and noise little rain.

Welcome Light. :)

Seems there is some weather weirdness happening over north America coming up.


PRELIMINARY EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
450 AM EDT SAT JUN 02 2012

VALID 12Z WED JUN 06 2012 - 12Z SAT JUN 09 2012


USED TWO-PARTS 00Z/02 ECMWF AND ONE-PART 12Z/01 ECENS MEAN FOR THE
PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 AND 4...THEN
TRANSITIONED TO AN EVEN BLEND OF THAT GUIDANCE FOR DAYS 5 THROUGH
7 TO MITIGATE THE SERPENTINE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN SHORTWAVES IN
THE MATURE BLOCK ACROSS CENTRAL NORTH AMERICA. THE ECMWF WAS
PREFERRED COMING OUT OF THE SHORT RANGE...BASED ON THAT MODELS
EARLY HONING ONTO A RELIABLE SIGNAL FOR THIS EXTREME MERIDIONAL
PERIOD. THE FLOW GETS SO CONVOLUTED OVER THE CONTINENT BY DAY 6
THAT SYNOPTIC WAVES PASS IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS OF ONE ANOTHER
WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED MILES OVER CENTRAL CANADA...ASTRIDE WHAT WILL
SERVE AS AN ATMOSPHERIC CONTINENTAL DIVIDE OF SORTS.
THE ONLY
REGION WITH ANY FOCUSED INFLOW FROM AN OCEAN BASIN WILL BE THE
PACIFIC NORTHWEST...WHERE LOW HEIGHTS AND A CONSTANT SUPPLY OF
ENERGY KEEP THAT REGION QUITE UNSETTLED FOR EARLY METEOROLOGICAL
SUMMER. THE GULF OF MEXICO WILL BE CLOSED DUE TO THE BLOCK...WITH
THE EASTERN STATES...PARTICULARLY THE MID ATLANTIC AND NEW ENGLAND
REGIONS...EXPERIENCING A STRETCH OF BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES.


CISCO


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First timer here .

There seems to be a lot of precipitation coming from Africa

Hope this works ok

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Morning all. Normally I am totally asleep by this hour on Saturday a.m., but a relatively fierce thunderstorm connected with this FROPA woke me up.





Things have quietened somewhat, but it was almost as bright as day out there about 1/2 an hour ago....
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Quoting bigwes6844:
goodnight everyone got work in the morning! hope da tropics stay quite


Don't remind me. I'm due for work at 1.
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goodnight everyone got work in the morning! hope da tropics stay quite
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The EURO 240

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Congressman to FDA: Unknown how radioactive fallout in US affected marine environment — Wants ‘a listing of all instances of species found to have elevated levels’

Letter to Food and Drug Administration
Congressman Edward Markey, (D-MA)
June 1, 2012


Link

I request that you provide a full Response no longer than June 22,2012
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825. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #17
SEVERE TROPICAL STORM MAWAR (T1203)
15:00 PM JST June 2 2012
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SUBJECT: Category Two Typhoon In Sea East Of The Philippines

At 6:00 AM UTC, Severe Tropical Storm Mawar (985 hPa) located at 17.1N 124.1E has 10 minute sustained winds of 55 knots with gusts of 80 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving north northwest at 6 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T3.5

Storm Force Winds
=================
40 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
150 NM from the center in southeastern quadrant
120 NM from the center in northwestern quadrant

Forecast and Intensity
=========================

24 HRS: 19.0N 125.3E - 70 knots (CAT 3/Strong Typhoon) East of the Philippines
48 HRS: 22.1N 127.4E - 75 knots (CAT 3/Strong Typhoon) South of Okinawa
72 HRS: 25.7N 130.8E - 75 knots (CAT 3/Strong Typhoon) Minami daito waters
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Quoting RussianWinter:


Except JFV isn't the guy with the shower curtains, I think.


Then who is? :|
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Will JFV finally get his much-desired south Florida hit, or will he have to buy new shower curtains?


Except JFV isn't the guy with the shower curtains, I think.
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Quoting allancalderini:
So it goes into Mexico and not to the USA ? or it will be take north much later in the run?


I assume that it would continue on from there but I'm not sure where it would go after that. Earlier runs have shown anywhere from Bay of Campeche to over the gulf coast to over Florida. I think the most interesting thing is that it's been consistently showing something trying to form there. I think the conditions are supposed to become favorable for development at that time too.
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Quoting allancalderini:
So it goes into Mexico and not to the USA ? or it will be take north much later in the run?


Judging by the contours over the central US, there is a weak shortwave that could potentially turn it northward. The weakness would be reinforced by the trough developing behind it. It would also depend on the strength of the storm relative to the trough, and to an extent, latitude.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:


That I cannot answer. As the model ended with the storm over the Yucatan. Stay tuned. :)
So it goes into Mexico and not to the USA ? or it will be take north much later in the run?
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Will JFV finally get his much-desired south Florida hit, or will he have to buy new shower curtains?


That I cannot answer. As the model ended with the storm over the Yucatan. Stay tuned. :)
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Looks like the GFS is still calling for a slow developing system in the Caribbean at the end of the run.



Will JFV finally get his much-desired south Florida hit, or will he have to buy new shower curtains?
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Looks like the GFS is still calling for a slow developing system in the Caribbean at the end of the run.

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Quoting KoritheMan:


Not gonna last though, haha. Now if it were February...
yeah i know it sucks though! i hate the humidity.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


I guess it couldn't hurt to exclude such a term next time. My apologies, stormpetrol. I sometimes come off as more abrasive than I intend.


Your knowledge shines on it's own, it doesn't need help.
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Quoting bigwes6844:
feels good tonight finally in new orleans! ne wind at 25 mph! very nice outside


Not gonna last though, haha. Now if it were February...
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feels good tonight finally in new orleans! ne wind at 25 mph! very nice outside
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btw, thanks Ryan.
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Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Kori, I enjoy your posts. Being an educational setting, using a term like "Layman" can be very belittling to someone that is trying to learn the complexities of the tropics. Rather than flex your educational muscle, which can easily result in confrontation, point out the errors in judgement and explain why it is otherwise. I know Stormpetrol has been around here for a long time and is a rather docile person open to dialogue.


I guess it couldn't hurt to exclude such a term next time. My apologies, stormpetrol. I sometimes come off as more abrasive than I intend.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Looking at the dictionary definition of the word, maybe I was a little off base.


Kori, I enjoy your posts. Being an educational setting, using a term like "Layman" can be very belittling to someone that is trying to learn the complexities of the tropics. Rather than flex your educational muscle, which can easily result in confrontation, point out the errors in judgement and explain why it is otherwise. I know Stormpetrol has been around here for a long time and is a rather docile person open to dialogue.
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Quoting evilpenguinshan:
don't let anyone's butthurt get in your way - you're clearly a smart kid, and this blog is lucky to have your commentary.




Thanks. I try.
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don't let anyone's butthurt get in your way - you're clearly a smart kid, and this blog is lucky to have your commentary.


Quoting KoritheMan:


It was a combination of FAQ writing (video game guides) over at GameFAQs, and then religious debates on the same site.



We can't expect to put together a puzzle if we don't understand it.



I wasn't trying to be rude. I even said "no offense" in my post. But if it means anything to you, I won't call you out on something I see as fallacious next time. If that's your wish though, it's pretty unfortunate, as rebuke and (to an extent) ridicule is how we learn.
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Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Just no reason for it other than to mark superiority.


Looking at the dictionary definition of the word, maybe I was a little off base, as I am technically not a meteorologist either.
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Quoting Nash29:
Kori, who taught you to write so remarkably well?


It was a combination of FAQ writing (video game guides) over at GameFAQs, and then religious debates on the same site.

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

But you can't do that. Everything in the tropics fits together like the pieces of a puzzle. You can't build a puzzle with one piece, meaning you can't predict what a hurricane season will be like just going by ENSO.


We can't expect to put together a puzzle if we don't understand it.

Quoting stormpetrol:


I never did claim to be an expert, but since I see there are so many Einsteins here as far as weather experts, I'll just let them do all the talking,sames as though one can't make a comment regarding what they might "think" without being taken totally out of context and being jumped on like tics on a Bull just because some think that person is below their intelligence & knowledge! I never said anything was "there" I simply said to look for "possible" development basically coming from that area!


I wasn't trying to be rude. I even said "no offense" in my post. But if it means anything to you, I won't call you out on something I see as fallacious next time. If that's your wish though, it's pretty unfortunate, as rebuke and (to an extent) ridicule is how we learn.
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Quoting ProgressivePulse:
You too Nigel.


Have a great weekend! I'm going to hit the sack as well!
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Pressures are still high in the area otherwise looks to be about the best conditions I've seen for an AOI this year so far.
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Quoting galvestonhurricane:


18z nogaps showed possible development in the same general area as Beryl. That's all I know as far as the models go...

Thanks galveston...good night again!
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You too Nigel.
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Have a good weekend guys...I'm off to bed!
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Morning Galveston.
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