Connecting the dots between climate change and extreme weather

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on May 04, 2012

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Connecting the dots between human-caused climate change and extreme weather events is fraught with difficulty and uncertainty. One the one hand, the underlying physics is clear--the huge amounts of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide humans have pumped into the atmosphere must be already causing significant changes to the weather. But the weather has huge natural variations on its own, without climate change. So, communicators of the links between climate change and extreme weather need to emphasize how climate change shifts the odds. We've loaded the dice towards some types of extreme weather events, by heating the atmosphere to add more heat and moisture. This can bring more extreme weather events like heat waves, heavy downpours, and intense droughts. What's more, the added heat and moisture can change atmospheric circulation patterns, causing meanders in the jet stream capable of bringing longer-lasting periods of extreme weather. As I wrote in my post this January, Where is the climate headed?, "The natural weather rhythms I've grown to used to during my 30 years as a meteorologist have become significantly disrupted over the past few years. Many of Earth's major atmospheric circulation patterns have seen significant shifts and unprecedented behavior; new patterns that were unknown have emerged, and extreme weather events were incredibly intense and numerous during 2010 - 2011. It boggles my mind that in 2011, the U.S. saw 14 - 17 billion-dollar weather disasters, three of which matched or exceeded some of the most iconic and destructive weather events in U.S. history."


Figure 1. Women who work on a tea farm in Assam, India hold up a dot in honor of Climate Impacts Day (May 5, 2012), to urge people to connect the dots between climate change and the threat to their livelihood. Chai is one of the most consumed beverages in India, but a prolonged dry spell and extreme heat has affected tea plantations in Assam and Bengal with production dropping by 60% as compared to the same period in 2011. Image credit: 350.org.

May 5: Climate Impacts Day
On Saturday, May 5 (Cinco de Mayo!), the activist group 350.org, founded by Bill McKibben, is launching a new effort to "connect the dots between climate change and extreme weather." They've declared May 5 Climate Impacts Day, and have coordinated an impressive global effort of nearly 1,000 events in 100 countries to draw attention to the links between climate change and extreme weather. Their new climatedots.org website aims to get people involved to "protest, educate, document and volunteer along with thousands of people around the world to support the communities on the front lines of the climate crisis." Some of the events planned for Saturday: firefighters in New Mexico will hold posters with dots in a forest ravaged by wildfires; divers in the Marshall Islands take a dot underwater to their dying coral reefs; climbers on glaciers in the Alps, Andes, and Sierras will unfurl dots on melting glaciers with the simple message: "Melting"; villagers in Northeastern Kenya will create dots to show how ongoing drought is killing their crops; in San Francisco, California, aerial artist Daniel Dancer and the Center for Biological Diversity will work with hundreds of people to form a giant, moving blue dot to represent the threat of sea level rise and ocean acidification; and city-dwellers in Rio de Janeiro hold dots where mudslides from unusually heavy rains wiped out part of their neighborhood. I think its a great way to draw attention to the links between climate change and extreme weather, since the mainstream media coverage of climate change has been almost nil the past few years. A report by Media Matters for America found out that nightly news coverage about climate change on the major networks decreased 72% between 2009 and 2011. On the Sunday shows, 97% of the stories mentioning climate change were about politics in Washington D.C. or on the campaign trail, not about extreme weather or recent scientific reports. You can check out what Climate Impacts Day events may be happening in your area at the climatedots.org website.


Figure 2. Front Street Bridge on the Susquehanna River in Vestal, NY, immediately following the flood of September 8, 2011. Image credit: USGS, New York. In my post, Tropical Storm Lee's flood in Binghamton: was global warming the final straw? I argue that during September 8, 2011 flood, the Susquehanna River rose twenty feet in 24 hours and topped the flood walls in Binghamton by 8.5 inches, so just a 6% reduction in the flood height would have led to no overtopping of the flood walls and a huge decrease in damage. Extra moisture in the air due to global warming could have easily contributed this 6% of extra flood height.

Also of interest
Anti-coal activists, led by climate scientist Dr. James Hansen of NASA, are acting on Saturday to block Warren Buffett's coal trains in British Columbia from delivering coal to Pacific ports for shipment overseas. Dave Roberts of Grist explains how this may be an effective strategy to reduce coal use, in his post, "Fighting coal export terminals: It matters".

The creator of wunderground's new Climate Change Center, atmospheric scientist Angela Fritz, has a blog post on Friday's unveiling of the new Heartland Institute billboards linking mass murderers like Charles Manson and Osama Bin Laden to belief in global warming. In Heartland's description of the billboard campaign, they say, "The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren't scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen." The Heartland Institute neglected to mention that the Pope and the Dalai Lama are prominent advocates of addressing the dangers of human-caused climate change.

Jeff Masters

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perhaps they didn't drink the koolaid.
Quoting BobWallace:


Most of the major scientists who are climate change deniers are older, retired folks. Here's the list that appear on the Wiki page of scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections.

Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences. (Born 1923.)

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Born 1940.)

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University. (Born 1938.)

Garth Paltridge, Visiting Fellow ANU and retired Chief Research Scientist. (Born 1940.)

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. (Born 1936)

A couple of years back I listened to a retired professor of geology at our local university being interviewed about his climate change skepticism. It was clear that he didn't fully understand how climate models worked.

There's a tendency for people to stop learning new stuff as life goes on. It's something that I noticed many times going through graduate school. Professors were teaching what was known when they were younger and often were not keeping up with developments in the field, especially if it was outside their area of specialization.

The really good, innovative stuff came from newly minted profs who were coming with a wider knowledge of the current state in many different areas. Going through their graduate program had forced them to learn things other than what was happening in the labs in which they worked.



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Quoting BobWallace:


Most of the major scientists who are climate change deniers are older, retired folks. Here's the list that appear on the Wiki page of scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections.

Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences. (Born 1923.)

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Born 1940.)

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University. (Born 1938.)

Garth Paltridge, Visiting Fellow ANU and retired Chief Research Scientist. (Born 1940.)

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. (Born 1936)

A couple of years back I listened to a retired professor of geology at our local university being interviewed about his climate change skepticism. It was clear that he didn't fully understand how climate models worked.

There's a tendency for people to stop learning new stuff as life goes on. It's something that I noticed many times going through graduate school. Professors were teaching what was known when they were younger and often were not keeping up with developments in the field, especially if it was outside their area of specialization.

The really good, innovative stuff came from newly minted profs who were coming with a wider knowledge of the current state in many different areas. Going through their graduate program had forced them to learn things other than what was happening in the labs in which they worked.



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That's a good website.One to bookmark fo sho.
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Wet afternoon here in Kingston
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699. txjac
Quoting Patrap:
www.planetultra.com


According to the U.S. Naval Observatory, civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon.

This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight, or end of evening civil twilight, the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination.

In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight and in the evening after the end of civil twilight, artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. Complete darkness, however, ends sometime prior to the beginning of morning civil twilight and begins sometime after the end of evening civil twilight.

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon, considered unobstructed relative to the location of interest. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.


Wow, I feel lazy now ...Guess I should have looked it up?
Anyway, thanks Pat ...you found a great explanation that I could understand


Edit: And it came complete with a beautiful picture ..I guess "civil" twilights are my favorite times of the day!
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Good evening all
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November is a great time for twilight pictures. The relatively late sunrise (7:30AM) and cold clear air allows one to sleep in until 5AM and still make it to the shoreline for a few pictures. Here, the Duluth Pier Lighthouses arise out of the "first light" and join with the crescent moon to welcome another beautiful day.


www.planetultra.com


According to the U.S. Naval Observatory, civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon.

This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight, or end of evening civil twilight, the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination.

In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight and in the evening after the end of civil twilight, artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. Complete darkness, however, ends sometime prior to the beginning of morning civil twilight and begins sometime after the end of evening civil twilight.

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon, considered unobstructed relative to the location of interest. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.
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"When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself. Please do not engage in personal attacks or bickering. "

How does this statement fit with many of the recent comments? Seems like discussion of religion is WAY OT
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Ahh, rational thought always brings the scent of Daisies.

Open a window lets hear some mo'.

LoL

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Quoting RTSplayer:


So let me get this straight.

You believe pagans who practiced a religion involving human sacrifice to their idols, i.e. moloch, chemosh, baal, etc, are equally good and valid to Christians, Jews, or even moderate Muslims?

So, you can't find anything wrong with Moloch, Chemosh, or Baal worship, because you claim all religions are equally valid, BUT you believe your deeds in life determine your fate, and not your faith in whatever God, including those "gods" who require obviously evil deeds as acts of worship?

Jehovah forbids human sacrifice and "causing people to pass through the fire," the other 3 I mentioned COMMAND this.

How can it not matter which you serve or believe in?

Do you STILL not comprehend how absurd that is?

If you obey any of the 3, you will do actions Jehovah forbids.

If you obey Jehovah, you will fail to obey any of the other 3.



You continue to deceive your own self.

It's really a sad state of affairs when discussing logic, morality, spirituality, or heck even sanity with people like you.


no fate but that which one makes for themselves
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Quoting BobWallace:


Most of the major scientists who are climate change deniers are older, retired folks. Here's the list that appear on the Wiki page of scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections.

Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences. (Born 1923.)

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Born 1940.)

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University. (Born 1938.)

Garth Paltridge, Visiting Fellow ANU and retired Chief Research Scientist. (Born 1940.)

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. (Born 1936)

A couple of years back I listened to a retired professor of geology at our local university being interviewed about his climate change skepticism. It was clear that he didn't fully understand how climate models worked.

There's a tendency for people to stop learning new stuff as life goes on. It's something that I noticed many times going through graduate school. Professors were teaching what was known when they were younger and often were not keeping up with developments in the field, especially if it was outside their area of specialization.

The really good, innovative stuff came from newly minted profs who were coming with a wider knowledge of the current state in many different areas. Going through their graduate program had forced them to learn things other than what was happening in the labs in which they worked.




This is quite a conclusion to infer from those statistics. While I agree some older people get set in their ways, however, there could be many other answers as to why those particular people hold different views.

One instance, is that at the time most of them went to higher education, it was not as readily available the way it is today. Most people who were affluent were able to send their children to higher levels of education. They came from similar backgrounds and political beliefs which were long ingrained in their particular culture. This perhaps shaped their thinking and belief systems. It does not necessarily imply they are more reluctant to learn new ideas.

While it is very true people from humble backgrounds became distinguished in their fields, this was an exception rather than the rule.

I come from the same generation as most of these people and older than some. I personally have always tried to keep up with new ideas. I even know who Lady Gaga is for instance.

Why, if I could find my Betamax, I'd record this. By the way, what was the question?
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Quoting txjac:


What's "civil" twilight Pat?


The end of civilization as we know it?
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I just spent four hours out in the yard planting stuff in the yard in 90 degree heat under full sunshine. That was until we got poured on and the sun came back out, making it even more humid.

I'm under a Severe Thunderstorm Watch.
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Quoting RTSplayer:



Ok, Goosegirl, I know, I know, you learned this from some other ultra-liberal, or some liar along the way, so let's show you how ridiculous and misguided your beliefs really are.

No you said, "There is no right or wrong God..."

Ah, but then how do you deal with this?

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.


If you say there is no wrong God, which you did, then Jehovah must be the right God, but Jehovah says there are no other Gods besides him, which is a problem for YOU because your statement that there is no "wrong god" now contradicts itself.

If one God says all others are false, then at least some of them must be wrong. Therefore, the second half of your statement is absolutely wrong, no matter what the truth actually is.



the first half of your statement, "There is no right [God]...," would only be true if no God at all existed.


It is not logically possible for the Biblical God to not exist, because He is by definition "Logos," which is "the rational principle which governs the universe."

"In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God..."

Which means you still lose either way.


Do you care to learn something for real, instead of being deceived by other people's lies and "subjective truth" all your life?



I AM THAT I AM
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Quoting pottery:

It's worse than that!
My wife came along.....

:):))


Salt in the wound? j/k ;-)
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686. txjac
Quoting Patrap:

Ones Moonrise time for tonight is on your Local Wu-page in the Astronomy section.

Astronomy


May. 05, 2012 Rise Set
Actual Time 6:13 AM CDT 7:40 PM CDT
Civil Twilight 5:48 AM CDT 8:06 PM CDT
Nautical Twilight 5:17 AM CDT 8:36 PM CDT
Astronomical Twilight 4:45 AM CDT 9:08 PM CDT


Moon 7:31 PM CDT 5:35 AM CDT


What's "civil" twilight Pat?
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Ones Moonrise time for tonight is on your Local Wu-page in the Astronomy section.

Astronomy


May. 05, 2012 Rise Set
Actual Time 6:13 AM CDT 7:40 PM CDT
Civil Twilight 5:48 AM CDT 8:06 PM CDT
Nautical Twilight 5:17 AM CDT 8:36 PM CDT
Astronomical Twilight 4:45 AM CDT 9:08 PM CDT


Moon 7:31 PM CDT 5:35 AM CDT
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Yes, well, the problem is, the uneducated, deceitful, or otherwise unqualified can drop in an make a comment, and then leave, and most people on this blog either don't care, or else are uneducated and unqualified enough that they don't know the difference.

If nobody points out a blatant LIE for what it is, then it gets perpetuated, eventually.
I believe you went to far with the you need an education statement. You would judge someone and their education on that one post.?
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683. txjac
Quoting OldLeatherneck:


Why is it formal? The bride comes from serious Texas Oil money and the normal temps would be in the low 80s with moderate to low humidity.

Last time I checked the temp was up to 95 with a heat index of 104. Sure hoping that nobody drinks too much, too fast, and suffers a heatstroke.


I never understood that drinking in the heat thing??? It's like you're just asking for something bad to happen.
I do hope that you enjoy the wedding
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Quoting SubtropicalHi:


Argh....Why is there formal attire at an outdoor wedding in May?

When did you see these flowing rivers and lush green trees? (just joking)


Why is it formal? The bride comes from serious Texas Oil money and the normal temps would be in the low 80s with moderate to low humidity.

Last time I checked the temp was up to 95 with a heat index of 104. Sure hoping that nobody drinks too much, too fast, and suffers a heatstroke.
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Yeah, and I bet you take the garbage out the next time you are told to. ;-)

It's worse than that!
My wife came along.....

:):))
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T-storm has turned back to the west(very rare)
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678. Skyepony (Mod)
Sign the petition to corporations encouraging them to stop funding Heartland Institute. There was one a month or so ago to Chevrolet that ended their funding of Heartland Institute.
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Quoting pottery:

Heheheheh....

Went deep into the rainforest on Tuesday until Friday.
Sleeping in a hammock, in the torrential rain, with mud underfoot.
It has improved my appreciation for civilisation by leaps and bounds.
Builds Character, according to some!


Yeah, and I bet you take the garbage out the next time you are told to. ;-)
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Quoting FatPenguin:


Dr. Gray is the old man down the street that shakes his fist at kids racing by on their skateboards. The science has past him by. He needs to stick to hurricanes and keep his subjective views to himself.


Most of the major scientists who are climate change deniers are older, retired folks. Here's the list that appear on the Wiki page of scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections.

Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences. (Born 1923.)

Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Born 1940.)

Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University. (Born 1938.)

Garth Paltridge, Visiting Fellow ANU and retired Chief Research Scientist. (Born 1940.)

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.

Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. (Born 1936)

A couple of years back I listened to a retired professor of geology at our local university being interviewed about his climate change skepticism. It was clear that he didn't fully understand how climate models worked.

There's a tendency for people to stop learning new stuff as life goes on. It's something that I noticed many times going through graduate school. Professors were teaching what was known when they were younger and often were not keeping up with developments in the field, especially if it was outside their area of specialization.

The really good, innovative stuff came from newly minted profs who were coming with a wider knowledge of the current state in many different areas. Going through their graduate program had forced them to learn things other than what was happening in the labs in which they worked.


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Quoting RTSplayer:



I just totally destroyed all Buddhist philosophy in one post, but you aren't educated enough to realize it.


The problem with Buddhist philosophy is that you want to have everything both ways, to the point that you would make the absurd claim that there is no right or wrong God!

Well, most "gods," true or false, say otherwise.

So you've already lost.

What you have effectively done above, when you claimed there was no right or wrong god, is akin to claiming that a true statement and a false statement are equally valid.

I would say that is indicative of a deranged mind, which cannot discern the basic laws of logic.

As I said, you need an education.


This is my last word on the subject, I promise.

Religions were invented by men, not God. Thus they are flawed, every one. Just like all of us.

We can pretend to know, but we just don't.

The buddha taught us that we should not believe everything we are told, but to follow what we feel to be the right path and do no harm. We are also taught that all religions are valid, and that our deeds in life will dtermine what happens, not what God we chose to follow.

Peace to all of you, and may the bridges you burn light your way :)

I'm off down highway 61...
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Quoting Tribucanes:
And if there's a weather blog out there that's not left of center I wish we could get the transcript because I'm sure it's pretty hilarious in it's own way.

I think that's a distorted picture of the political spectrum. And ... how bout those dewpoints?
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Yes, well, the problem is, the uneducated, deceitful, or otherwise unqualified can drop in an make a comment, and then leave, and most people on this blog either don't care, or else are uneducated and unqualified enough that they don't know the difference.

If nobody points out a blatant LIE for what it is, then it gets perpetuated, eventually.


Well, I think that we are kind of here to hear about weather ...when its "sticky" subject such as religion ...just shut my trap

My Mom always told me dont discuss politics or religion ...
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No Im not that person to the question asked earlier. This is the only account I've ever had here.
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Quoting bappit:

They didn't teach about this when I took American history.

"By 1916 almost all of the major suffrage organizations were united behind the goal of a constitutional amendment. When New York adopted woman suffrage in 1917 and President Woodrow Wilson changed his position to support an amendment in 1918, the political balance began to shift in favor of the vote for women. There was still strong opposition to enfranchising women, however, as illustrated by this petition from the Women Voters Anti-Suffrage Party of New York at the beginning of U.S. involvement in World War I."

Edit: probably because they didn't want to bring up the issue of civil rights.
The fact that most statements philosophical, Biblical or otherwise are often times male oriented, This can and does rub females the wrong way..
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668. txjac
Quoting OldLeatherneck:


Comfort, TX

About 30 NW of San Antonio


Dont think that you'll be finding much "Comfort" there today ...lol.

So sorry
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That's great, congrats on the wedding. Hot one for sure, may your life together be blessed.
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Quoting OldLeatherneck:
Texas Hill Country Weather Update

My wife and I chose to retire in the Hill Country of Texas, surrounded by flowing rivers and lush green trees. We also thought the climate would be wonderful, with average June/July temperatures reaching the low 90s and relative humidity in the low 30s.

Here it is the 5th of May and we are headed to a formal outdoor wedding later this afternoon. That's right folks, I'm wearing a black tuxedo and my wife made me spitshine my cowboy boots.

The site of the wedding is currently at 94.1 degrees, with 50% humidity and no wind. Temperature is expected to peak between 97 & 98 degrees later this afternoon.



Argh....Why is there formal attire at an outdoor wedding in May?

When did you see these flowing rivers and lush green trees? (just joking)
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Quoting EugeneTillman:



Humor must age like a fine wine, Gro. Always give me a chuckle. I need it on a gloomy, overcast day such as today. =)



Anytime Eugene. It is a bright sunny day here. Not a single cloud in the sky.
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A year's 3rd T-storm ahead. Definitely the weakest one,but still a thunderstorm
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And if there's a weather blog out there that's not left of center I wish we could get the transcript because I'm sure it's pretty hilarious in it's own way.
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Quoting EugeneTillman:



What city is the wedding taking place in?


Comfort, TX

About 30 NW of San Antonio
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Quoting RTSplayer:

I just totally destroyed all Buddhist philosophy in one post, but you aren't educated enough to realize it.


...

As I said, you need an education.

About your corn flakes...I don't think it was anyone on this blog that did that.
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And yes a left of center weather blog is not the place to come for attaboys for being a Christian. Just as Christ set the example, I didn't come to pass along a message and hang out with a bunch of people who hold my beliefs. The Church is my family, but I really came for the sheep. Honestly I came here for the weather and intelligent info. Lurked for like year and a half. Have a very busy life didn't intend to make this a platform, but God had other plans. Now I'm out.
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Quoting yqt1001:


One does not simply comment on a weather blog in December to May

and not expect your religion to get insulted
HHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!...HHHAAA....lol
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Quoting bappit:

They didn't teach about this when I took American history.

"By 1916 almost all of the major suffrage organizations were united behind the goal of a constitutional amendment. When New York adopted woman suffrage in 1917 and President Woodrow Wilson changed his position to support an amendment in 1918, the political balance began to shift in favor of the vote for women. There was still strong opposition to enfranchising women, however, as illustrated by this petition from the Women Voters Anti-Suffrage Party of New York at the beginning of U.S. involvement in World War I."

Edit: probably because they didn't want to bring up the issue of civil rights.
The oppressive treatment of woman goes back thousands of years, and is nothing short of grotesque considering it really was not that long ago until something was done about it. Things are getting better, but there are still issues the need to be resolved.
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Thanks for that fine clarification RTS. I'm out be back later have a nice day all. Be back to actually talk about the weather later. That's my Creation two cents for the days, peace.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


One does not simply comment on a weather blog in December to May

and not expect your religion to get insulted
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