Late-season Nor'easter socks Northeast U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:27 PM GMT on April 23, 2012

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Heavy snow, high winds, and torrential rains are lashing the Northeast U.S. today, thanks to a powerful late-season Nor'easter approaching New York from the south. Wind gusts of 54 mph and 58 mph were recorded last night at New York City's La Guardia Airport and Staten Island, and heavy rains of 2 - 4 inches have been common across Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Southeast New York since Sunday. The 2.45" that fell at Central Park in New York City yesterday broke the old record of 1.80" for the date set in 1969. The heavy rains are a boon for the region, which is under moderate to severe drought. The storm delayed the arrival of the space shuttle Enterprise, which was due to be flown into New York City's JFK Airport today and loaded on a barge to be shipped to the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum on the Hudson River. The flight is now scheduled for Wednesday.


Figure 1. A late-season Nor'easter takes aim at the Northeast U.S. in this satellite image taken at 9:31 am EDT 4/23/12. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Heavy snow belting PA, NY, and WV
The big story with this Nor'easter is the heavy snow falling in Western Pennsylvania, Western New York, and the higher elevations in West Virginia. Wet, heavy snow of 6 - 12 inches will be common, particularly at elevations higher than 2,000 feet. Up to a foot of snow had already fallen in the Allegany Mountains of Western Pennsylvania as of 11 am EDT this morning, and 8.5" in the mountains of New York, according to the latest NWS Storm Summary. The wet, heavy snow is falling on regions where trees have already come into leaf, thanks to the surprise "Summer in March" heat wave that brought 80° temperatures to the Northeast over a month ago. High winds will accompany today's snow, and extensive tree damage and power outages can be expected. Winds have gusted as high as 39 mph this morning in Rochester, NY. Sustained north to northeast winds blowing off of Lake Ontario are expected to rise to 40 mph later today, creating waves up to 14 feet high, causing lake shore flooding problems.

History of late season snowfalls
Wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt made a post last year on Record Late Season Snowfalls. He documents that the latest measurable snow in Buffalo, NY was 0.1" on May 20, 1907. Not including today, Buffalo has had ten calendar day snow events of an inch or more after the date of April 22nd. Recent events include May 7th, 1989 when 7.9 inches fell, and April 24th, 2005 when 1.2 inches of snow fell. In Rochester, NY, such events are slightly more common, with 18 such events of one inch of snow or greater after April 22nd. Recent events include April 25th, 1983, when 3.5 inches of snow fell, May 7th, 1989 when 10.7 inches of snow fell, and May 12th 1996, when 1.1 inches fell.

Two major Nor'easters this season: one in October, one in April
What's crazy about this Nor'easter is that it is only the second significant Nor'easter of the 2011 - 2012 snow season. The other major Nor'easter occurred October 30 - 31. It's pretty bizarre to have your only two significant Nor'easters of the season occur in October and April--and none in November, December, January, February, and March. I talked to a weather disaster expert in the insurance industry last week, who told me that NOAA's National Climatic Data Center will probably end up classifying last year's October 30 - 31 Nor'easter as 2011's fifteenth billion-dollar weather disaster.

Record April heat in Phoenix and Las Vegas
As is often the case when a major Nor'easter is affecting the Eastern U.S., the jet stream is contorted to bring a strong ridge of high pressure over the Western U.S., accompanied by record-breaking heat. Phoenix, Arizona hit 105°F yesterday, its tying its record for hottest April temperature (previous 105° April temperatures occurred on 4/20/1989 and 4/29/1992.) Las Vegas, Nevada hit 99°F yesterday, the hottest temperature on record for so early in the year, and tied for the hottest April temperature on record. The mercury climbed to a scorching 113° in Death Valley yesterday, a record for the date, and the hottest temperature measured in the U.S. so far in 2012.

Jeff Masters

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Heavy snow. Schools closed. April 23, 2012
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Space Shuttles Enterprise(on left) and Discovery(on right) sit nose to nose. Enterprise will be transferred to The Intrepid Museum in NYC on Monday.
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Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
In the northeast this winter has been defined by its beginning and end. The snowstorm in October and the one now.


Because it is the beginning of the end....Dec. 21,2012. It's all been planned
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9.8N/79.45W

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Quoting yqt1001:
I find it pretty interesting how global warming is sorta allowing for a new era of colonization..of the poles.

Hopefully after the colonization of the poles we can finally get around to colonizing the moon.


Should you plan to colonize the north pole, you are going to need a bigger boat. ;-)
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From Oct-8, 2009--The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today — and were sustained at those levels — global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland," said the paper's lead author, Aradhna Tripati, a UCLA assistant professor in the department of Earth and space sciences and the department of atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

"Carbon dioxide is a potent greenhouse gas, and geological observations that we now have for the last 20 million years lend strong support to the idea that carbon dioxide is an important agent for driving climate change throughout Earth's history," she said.

By analyzing the chemistry of bubbles of ancient air trapped in Antarctic ice, scientists have been able to determine the composition of Earth's atmosphere going back as far as 800,000 years, and they have developed a good understanding of how carbon dioxide levels have varied in the atmosphere since that time. But there has been little agreement before this study on how to reconstruct carbon dioxide levels prior to 800,000 years ago.

Tripati, before joining UCLA's faculty, was part of a research team at England's University of Oxford that developed a new technique to assess carbon dioxide levels in the much more distant past — by studying the ratio of the chemical element boron to calcium in the shells of ancient single-celled marine algae. Tripati has now used this method to determine the amount of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere as far back as 20 million years ago.

"We are able, for the first time, to accurately reproduce the ice-core record for the last 800,000 years — the record of atmospheric C02 based on measurements of carbon dioxide in gas bubbles in ice," Tripati said. "This suggests that the technique we are using is valid. "We then applied this technique to study the history of carbon dioxide from 800,000 years ago to 20 million years ago," she said. "We report evidence for a very close coupling between carbon dioxide levels and climate. When there is evidence for the growth of a large ice sheet on Antarctica or on Greenland or the growth of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean, we see evidence for a dramatic change in carbon dioxide levels over the last 20 million years.

"A slightly shocking finding," Tripati said, "is that the only time in the last 20 million years that we find evidence for carbon dioxide levels similar to the modern level of 387 parts per million was 15 to 20 million years ago, when the planet was dramatically different."

Levels of carbon dioxide have varied only between 180 and 300 parts per million over the last 800,000 years — until recent decades, said Tripati, who is also a member of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics. It has been known that modern-day levels of carbon dioxide are unprecedented over the last 800,000 years, but the finding that modern levels have not been reached in the last 15 million years is new.

Prior to the Industrial Revolution of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the carbon dioxide level was about 280 parts per million, Tripati said. That figure had changed very little over the previous 1,000 years. But since the Industrial Revolution, the carbon dioxide level has been rising and is likely to soar unless action is taken to reverse the trend, Tripati said.

"During the Middle Miocene (the time period approximately 14 to 20 million years ago), carbon dioxide levels were sustained at about 400 parts per million, which is about where we are today," Tripati said. "Globally, temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer, a huge amount."

Tripati's new chemical technique has an average uncertainty rate of only 14 parts per million.

"We can now have confidence in making statements about how carbon dioxide has varied throughout history," Tripati said.

In the last 20 million years, key features of the climate record include the sudden appearance of ice on Antarctica about 14 million years ago and a rise in sea level of approximately 75 to 120 feet.

"We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in carbon dioxide levels of about 100 parts per million, a huge change," Tripati said. "This record is the first evidence that carbon dioxide may be linked with environmental changes, such as changes in the terrestrial ecosystem, distribution of ice, sea level and monsoon intensity."

Today, the Arctic Ocean is covered with frozen ice all year long, an ice cap that has been there for about 14 million years.

"Prior to that, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic," Tripati said.

Some projections show carbon dioxide levels rising as high as 600 or even 900 parts per million in the next century if no action is taken to reduce carbon dioxide, Tripati said. Such levels may have been reached on Earth 50 million years ago or earlier, said Tripati, who is working to push her data back much farther than 20 million years and to study the last 20 million years in detail.

More than 50 million years ago, there were no ice sheets on Earth, and there were expanded deserts in the subtropics, Tripati noted. The planet was radically different.

Co-authors on the Science paper are Christopher Roberts, a Ph.D. student in the department of Earth sciences at the University of Cambridge, and Robert Eagle, a postdoctoral scholar in the division of geological and planetary sciences at the California Institute of Technology.

The research was funded by UCLA's Division of Physical Sciences and the United Kingdom's National Environmental Research Council.

Tripati's research focuses on the development and application of chemical tools to study climate change throughout history. She studies the evolution of climate and seawater chemistry through time.

"I'm interested in understanding how the carbon cycle and climate have been coupled, and why they have been coupled, over a range of time-scales, from hundreds of years to tens of millions of years," Tripati said.

Source: University of California - Los Angeles
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If I am reading this correctly, looks to be another severe weather outbreak on wednesday

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Quoting Grothar:


Hey, we only meet once a year. Leave us out it!! :)


Gives Grothar the secret fist bump. ;)

Looks like it will be cool down there. 50s at night in the last week of April is nice!
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Quoting presslord:


It isn't the government...it's the Bilderbergs...


Hey, we only meet once a year. Leave us out it!! :)
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I find it pretty interesting how global warming is sorta allowing for a new era of colonization..of the poles.

Hopefully after the colonization of the poles we can finally get around to colonizing the moon.
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Conspiracy theories? Again?! Oh brother.
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From ScienceNOW:

No Letup in World's Warming

Global warming contrarians remind the public that the world has not warmed all that much, if at all, during the past decade or so. But that's the atmosphere. Oceanographers with their thermometers in Earth's biggest reservoir of heat—the world's ocean—report in a paper to be published in Geophysical Research Letters that greenhouse warming has in fact been proceeding apace the past decade, not to mention the past half century. Ninety-three percent of the heat trapped by increasing greenhouse gases goes into warming the ocean, not the atmosphere. So taking the ocean's temperature is the most comprehensive way to monitor global warming. A group of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists has revised and updated their decade-old compilation of temperature measurements from the upper 2000 meters of the world's ocean. Its store of heat (red line with error bars) steadily increased over the past 20 years.
And the upper ocean has warmed so much in the past 50 years that its added heat would be enough to warm the lower atmosphere by about 36°C (thankfully a physically impossible feat).



Key Points from the paper World ocean heat content and thermosteric sea level change (0-2000), 1955-2010:

- A strong positive linear trend in exists in world ocean heat contentsince 1955
- One third of the observed warming occurs in the 700-2000 m layer of the ocean
- The warming can only be explained by the increase in atmospheric GHGs
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Precisely.

Quoting Grothar:
If the government can't control the behavior of a handful of Secret Service memmbers, what makes one think they are capable of these complex conspiracies??? Think people, think! It is impossible to keep a secret between two friends, let alone thousands of people. Once, more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.
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In the northeast this winter has been defined by its beginning and end. The snowstorm in October and the one now.
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Quoting Grothar:
If the government can't control the behavior of a handful of Secret Service memmbers, what makes one think they are capable of these complex conspiracies??? Think people, think! It is impossible to keep a secret between two friends, let alone thousands of people. Once, more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.


It isn't the government...it's the Bilderbergs...
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If the government can't control the behavior of a handful of Secret Service members, what makes one think they are capable of these complex conspiracies??? Think people, think! It is impossible to keep a secret between two friends, let alone thousands of people. Once, more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.
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8 Ways Global Warming Is Already Changing the World
LiveScience.comBy Stephanie Pappas | LiveScience.com – Sat, Apr 21, 2012

Over the last 100 years, global temperatures have warmed by about 1.33 degrees Fahrenheit (0.74 degrees Celsius) on average. The change may seem minor, but it's happening very quickly — more than half of it since 1979, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Though it can still be difficult to tease out how much climate change plays in any given weather event, changes are occurring.

In the spirit of Earth day, here's a look at our marvelous blue marble and the ways people and other living things are responding to global warming. [50 Amazing Facts About Earth]

1. Moving the military northward

As the Arctic ice opens up, the world turns its attention to the resources below. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, 30 percent of the world's undiscovered natural gas and 13 percent of its undiscovered oil are under this region. As a result, military action in the Arctic is heating up, with the United States, Russia, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden and Canada holding talks about regional security and border issues. Several nations, including the U.S., are also drilling troops in the far north, preparing for increased border patrol and disaster response efforts in a busier Arctic.

2. Altering breeding seasons

As temperatures shift, penguins are shifting their breeding seasons, too. A March 2012 study found that gentoo penguins are adapting more quickly to warmer weather, because they aren't as dependent on sea ice for breeding as other species.

It's not just penguins that seem to be responding to climate change. Animal shelters in the U.S. have reported increasing numbers of stray cats and kittens attributed to a longer breeding season for the felines.

3. High-country changes

Decreased winter snowfall on mountaintops is allowing elk in northern Arizona to forage at higher elevations all winter, contributing to a decline in seasonal plants. Elk have ravaged trees such as maples and aspens, which in turn has led to a decline in songbirds that rely on these trees for habitat.

4. Altered Thoreau's stomping grounds

The writer Henry David Thoreau once lovingly documented nature in and around Concord, Mass. Reading those diaries today has shown researchers just how much spring has changed in the last century or so.

Compared to the late 1800s, the first flowering dates for 43 of the most common plant species in the area have moved forward an average of 10 days. Other plants have simply disappeared, including 15 species of orchids.



5. Changed "high season" at national parks

When's the busiest time to see the Grand Canyon? The answer has changed over the decades as spring has started earlier. Peak national park attendance has shifted forward more than four days, on average, since 1979. Today, the highest number of visitors now swarm the Grand Canyon on June 24, compared with July 4 in 1979.

6. Genetic changes

Even fruit flies are feeling the heat. According to a 2006 study, fruit fly genetic patterns normally seen at hot latitudes are showing up more frequently at higher latitudes. According to the research, the gene patterns of Drosophila subobscura, a common fruit fly, are changing so that populations look about one degree closer in latitude to the equator than they actually are. In other words, genotypes are shifting so that a fly in the Northern Hemisphere has a genome that looks more like a fly 75 to 100 miles (120 to 161 kilometers) south.

7. Hurting polar bears

Polar bear cubs are struggling to swim increasingly long distances in search of stable sea ice, according to a 2011 study. The rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic is forcing bears to sometimes swim up to more than 12 days at a time, the research found. Cubs of adult bears that had to swim more than 30 miles (48 kilometers) had a 45 percent mortality rate, compared with 18 percent for cubs that had to swim shorter distances.

8. More mobile animals

Species are straying from their native habitats at an unprecedented rate: 11 miles (17.6 km) toward the poles per decade. Areas where temperature is increasing the most show the most straying by native organisms. The Cetti's warbler, for example, has moved north over the last two decades by more than 90 miles (150 km)
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Quoting JNCali:
This makes me sad! China, Russia, India as well as the private sector are all investing in continued space exploration.. I think maybe the insurance was too high for NASA, especially after Columbia?!


Ended too soon, too abrupt with no replacement. Discovery was a good ship, sad to see her on display.
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This makes me sad! China, Russia, India as well as the private sector are all investing in continued space exploration.. I think maybe the insurance was too high for NASA, especially after Columbia?!
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Quoting weathermanwannabe:


And if the sun hits the airplane just right, it looks like the flying saucer from the original Day the Earth Stood Still movie from the 50's.............
No, I have never seen that. Maybe on Fat Albert, the blimp flying over Cudjoe Key. I can tell they are civilian jet liners because they are white against the very blue of the sky. Usually the military, or government aircraft are a different color on purpose to blend with the sky. And you do have to be right under the contrail as it is being made to see the aircraft. I was amazed at how clear our sky was the first time I saw the aircraft.
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Quoting weathermanwannabe:


And if the sun hits the airplane just right, it looks like the flying saucer from the original Day the Earth Stood Still movie from the 50's.............


Best. movie. ever. made.
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Quoting kwgirl:
I know whenever I see a contrail in the sky I look for the originator, and it is usually a commercial civilian aircraft. When the skies are real clear, I can actually see the aircraft, even though it is very tiny. And they are usually headed West to Mexico.


And if the sun hits the airplane just right, it looks like the flying saucer from the original Day the Earth Stood Still movie from the 50's.............
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Quoting presslord:


you really should stop trying to confuse people with facts ;-)


Hey Press.......... :)
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Quoting weathermanwannabe:
That entire "chemtrail" issue (white unmarked airplanes spraying in the upper atmosphere on a regular basis for some type of secret agenda weather-mod project) has pretty much been debunked. High altitude contrails are the result of regular commercial airline traffic (and pictures showing the contrails) does not a global conspiracy make. Same kind of argument(pictures of doughnuts on a rope contrails) was made to argue for the existence of new "pulse detonation" engine hypersonic aircraft but the doughnut on a rope contrail is a naturally occurring event as the contrail degrades.



you really should stop trying to confuse people with facts ;-)
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Quoting weathermanwannabe:
That entire "chemtrail" issue (white unmarked airplanes spraying in the upper atmosphere on a regular basis for some type of secret agenda weather-mod project) has pretty much been debunked. High altitude contrails are the result of regular commercial airline traffic (and pictures showing the contrails) does not a global conspiracy make. Same kind of argument(pictures of doughnuts on a rope contrails) was made to argue for the existence of new "pulse detonation" engine hypersonic aircraft but the doughnut on a rope contrail is a naturally occurring event as the contrail degrades.



People who believe in conspiracy theories will rarely ever change their minds no matter what kind of evidence you present.

Ironically, many of those that claim there are government conspiracies also believe the government is a joke and/or incompetent. Go figure.
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"Thousands of scientists from 67 countries have called for an international agreement to close the Arctic high seas to commercial fishing until research reveals more about the freshly exposed waters."Link
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Quoting weathermanwannabe:
That entire "chemtrail" issue (white unmarked airplanes spraying in the upper atmosphere on a regular basis for some type of secret agenda weather-mod project) has pretty much been debunked. High altitude contrails are the result of regular commercial airline traffic (and pictures showing the contrails) does not a global conspiracy make. Same kind of argument(pictures of doughnuts on a rope contrails) was made to argue for the existence of new "pulse detonation" engine hypersonic aircraft but the doughnut on a rope contrail is a naturally occurring event as the contrail degrades.

I know whenever I see a contrail in the sky I look for the originator, and it is usually a commercial civilian aircraft. When the skies are real clear, I can actually see the aircraft, even though it is very tiny. And they are usually headed West to Mexico.
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Quoting kwgirl:
Good afternoon all. Wonderful story Xyrus 2000. where is your area?


Maryland. And contrary to the story, we do occasionally get a good storm (and the odd hurricane here and there).

For some reason Pat's picture made me think of a couple meeting in a bar. :D
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That entire "chemtrail" issue (white unmarked airplanes spraying in the upper atmosphere on a regular basis for some type of secret agenda weather-mod project) has pretty much been debunked. High altitude contrails are the result of regular commercial airline traffic (and pictures showing the contrails) does not a global conspiracy make. Same kind of argument(pictures of doughnuts on a rope contrails) was made to argue for the existence of new "pulse detonation" engine hypersonic aircraft but the doughnut on a rope contrail is a naturally occurring event as the contrail degrades.

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Yet another front into the Caribbean Sea..3 day..
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Good afternoon all. Wonderful story Xyrus 2000. where is your area?
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Quoting bappit:

The wikipedia article is titled "Tin Foil Hat". I rest my case.

Here's the definition of a meme from Wikipedia.

A meme (play /ˈmiːm/; MEEM)[1]) is "an idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture."
Lol..Stop bein so meem Bap..I remember using tin foil. It did leave flavor on food as did tin cans, but tin foil was tougher, and worked better for the the all to common broken tv antenna back then.
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There are dedicated, secret teams acting now as we blog holding mirrors up to relect sunlight back to outer space. It comes from outer space, you know.

Edit: "Relect" is a technical term.
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Quoting Patrap:
History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man
Godzilla!




A picture of better time between Tornado and Electra the lightning bolt.

It was a evening like any other evening. Tornado had just gotten up after a full day of rest and daytime heating. After eating a bowl of instant Instability and Moisture and swallowing a glass of cool refreshing Dry Air, Tornado got ready for the night.

He mosied on down to a popular (and noisy) little night spot called "The Ground". The usual suspects were there. Over at the bar was Hail Core, giving everyone the cold shoulder. In the corner was Torrential Downpour, always crying into his drink. Cumula Nimbus, always the large matronly and rowdy barkeep, was serving her drinks to the patrons. And of course, Wall Cloud and Straightline Winds were tangling it up on the dance floor.

"Hey Tornado! What'll ya have?" Cumula Nimbus hollered over the noise.

"Give me a Flying Farmyard and a Twisted Trailer." Tornado said cheerily as he made his way over the bar. Cumula nodded and started making the drinks while he idly started munching on Earth and Tree mix Cumula kept on the bar.

As Cumula served the drinks, she said "Hey, that new girl over there has been eyeing you."

Tornado turned and saw a sultry lightning bolt gazing at him. She had curves all over, and he could feel the static from across the room. She had a wild and chaotic air about her, which he found intoxicating.

"I here she can fork like nobody's business too," Cumula said with a knowing wink.

"I think I'll go talk to her," Tornado said to a smiling Cumula, and strutted on over.

"I couldn't help but notice you looking at me. What's your name?" Tornado asked.

"Electra. Electra Cution." She said, idly nibbling on a radio tower antenna, "Why don't you take me for a spin big guy!".

It was magic. Soon after, they got married. And, not surprisingly, it wasn't long before Electra and Tornado had a bevy of bouncing baby Ball Lightnings. They were happy, but as often happens, it wasn't long before hard times fell.

The Cold Front, the trusted and reliable company that employed everyone in the area, was pulling up stakes. Rumor had it that there was a lot of high pressure forcing Cold Front to outsource overseas. The Jet-Stream that once roared with life was becoming an empty road. It was getting harder and harder to find a place where a guy like Tornado could put his feet down and do some honest work. Even "The Ground" was becoming vacant, with only Cumula and Downpour being regulars there.

Tornado fell into depression and started drinking. First it was just occasional, a pond here, a lake there. Then it became frequent. He became just a shadow of what he formerly was. He drank so much that he got the nickname "Waterspout".

Electra, too, suffered. After she lost her job, she had let herself go. Her once sleek form now curving and arcing way more than it used to. She barely ever leaves the house now, addicted to Storm Chaser videos showing Wedge Tornadoes.

Of course, once they had both lost their jobs they couldn't care for their children, so Storm Services put them up for adoption. The kids are doing well, though they are scattered across the Midwest (one apparently went on to study abroad in England last year).

Eventually both Tornado and Electra dissipated, along with Cumula and everyone else who used to frequent "The Ground". Without the Cold Front, it really was only a matter of time before the whole place vanished into blue skies.

And that, my friends, is why I never get good thunderstorms in my area. :D
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Even if the contrails and ship trails are for weather modification purposes, I'm sure they're only present because the government is trying to offset catastrophic climate change by increasing the earth's albedo, so we should be thankful for that.

I mean you don't really think the powers that be would be doing nothing to combat climate change as it might appear to an outsider.
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Quoting NEFL:
Funny we dont see StormTracker on here this morning. I wonder why? Maybe because of all the hype, doom and gloom he spoon fed everyone for a week didnt pan out. I wonder if his rain gauge got 6" like he predicted. I see the HPC was right on with 1-3". It was a bust event, from a model standpoint for FL, and hence the problem with hyping models. Mother Nature is smarter than us. Poof!


I got .7 inches in downtown Orlando. .63 of that came in the 2-3am storms.
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Quoting hydrus:

The wikipedia article is titled "Tin Foil Hat". I rest my case.

Here's the definition of a meme from Wikipedia.

A meme (play /%u02C8mi%u02D0m/; MEEM)[1]) is "an idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture."

Edit: sort of like the hook on the car door. Seems like variations on paranoia make the best memes.
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Quoting redux:


for what its worth, i often call it tin foil...and its not associated with the meme whatsoever....im 30.
Your Mom and Dad probably said " tinfoil " and there Mom and Dad, and there Mom and Dad as did mine...Excerpt...Foil made from a thin leaf of tin was commercially available before its aluminum counterpart. In the late 19th century and early 20th century, tin foil was in common use, and some people continue to refer to the new product by the name of the old one. Tin foil is stiffer than aluminum foil. It tends to give a slight tin taste to food wrapped in it, which is a major reason it has largely been replaced by aluminium and other materials for wrapping food.

Tin foil was used as a filling for tooth cavities prior to the 20th century.

The first audio recordings on phonograph cylinders were made on tin foil.

Tin was first replaced by aluminium starting in 1910, when the first aluminium foil rolling plant, “Dr. Lauber, Neher & Cie., Emmishofen.” was opened in Kreuzlingen, Switzerland. The plant, owned by aluminium manufacturers J.G. Neher & Sons, started in 1886 in Schaffhausen, Switzerland, at the foot of the Rhine Falls—capturing the falls’ energy to produce aluminium. Neher's sons together with Dr. Lauber discovered the endless rolling process and the use of aluminium foil as a protective barrier.
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Quoting LargoFl:
Good Afternoon folks, does anyone have the rainfall totals for the Tampa bay area, pinellas total i really need for this past weekend, thanks in advance, my guess is, since it simply poured here that pinellas might be close to 3 inches or more when all is totaled up..


Try water.weather.gov -> Precipitation

http://water.weather.gov/precip/index.php?yday=13 35139200&yday_analysis=0&layer[]=0&layer[]=1&layer []=4&timetype=RECENT&loctype=STATE&units=engl&time frame=last7days&product=observed&loc=stateFL

...or
Hourly NWS multisensor best-estimate:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge2/RFC_Precip/
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Quoting LargoFl:
Good Afternoon folks, does anyone have the rainfall totals for the Tampa bay area, pinellas total i really need for this past weekend, thanks in advance, my guess is, since it simply poured here that pinellas might be close to 3 inches or more when all is totaled up..


Daily totals, you will have to click through "previous version" to see each day.

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gee we are getting some pretty strong wind gusts here along the west coast of florida..one was 30 mph.......................
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Quoting nigel20:

You can see the cooling from the image I posted above


It has been discussed before, but it's just part of the stair-stepping process that occurs as we transition from La Nina to El Nino or vice versa. We normally don't see anomalies crash and burn or shoot through the roof immediately. There are too many variables in the ocean and the atmosphere to go in a straight line from one to another. Think of it as taking a road trip. You'll probably stop at several different places along the way to your final destination, but in the end you make it to that destination. The stops were your variables to your actual path.

I'm afraid the end result is going to be El Nino, but just how strong is anyone's guess. If you're a believer in the Euro, then you should expect a moderate El Nino. Everything should unfold in the next few months and we won't have to guess anymore!
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Quoting LargoFl:
Good Afternoon folks, does anyone have the rainfall totals for the Tampa bay area, pinellas total i really need for this past weekend, thanks in advance, my guess is, since it simply poured here that pinellas might be close to 3 inches or more when all is totaled up..
never mind i found it..2.67 inches, thats pretty good cause we were so dry before it came.........................
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Ya know, NEFL, I've never seen you do anything around here except target specific bloggers for non-stop harassment. Which makes me wonder whether you are just another pseudonym for a longtime troll who amongst other things likes to use names-faked-to-be-similar-to-those-of-regulars in his attempts to ignite flamewars.
Member Since: August 21, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4860
Good Afternoon folks, does anyone have the rainfall totals for the Tampa bay area, pinellas total i really need for this past weekend, thanks in advance, my guess is, since it simply poured here that pinellas might be close to 3 inches or more when all is totaled up..
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Quoting bappit:

"Tin foil hat" is the meme.

Feel the meme, be the meme.


for what its worth, i often call it tin foil...and its not associated with the meme whatsoever....im 30.
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oh..that GFS..(the very last 384 frame)

Member Since: August 19, 2006 Posts: 13 Comments: 16858
Maybe one could do a personal entry on weather mod in a Blog here, as to not tie up Dr. Masters entry with it all the time.

That way you get the message out and you wont have to defend oneself here.
Member Since: July 3, 2005 Posts: 434 Comments: 133394
Quoting hydrus:
Enjoy your 30,s as they will go quick..:)
Crap, I was thinking the same thing for my twenties, as I am about to turn 30, the last ten years have flown by at a ridiculous rate!
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wxmod. I appreciate the daily updates of smog and contrails. I personally can't help but look at the images and think they affect the weather at some level and are likely to cause some sort of chain reaction. There's been plenty of research done to confirm this. Research on the mechanisms of contrail expansion, smog layers, and particulate in relation to the formation and suppression of certain cloud types, precipitation, and light levels etc.

However, I have a hard time with the "as planned" certainty of your argument. Even despite articles such this, and despite the broad and evident research, proposals, funding, think tanks, etc. in regards to various bio and climate engineering projects and schemes.

While I have no doubts there are research projects going on I'm doubtful as to the level of planning and organization that you seem so certain of.

I think, maybe wrongly, that you are giving the powers that be too much credit in timeline, coordination, and technology levels but I definitely appreciate the images, names, and resources that you post.
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Quoting jeffs713:

I'm just 31...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat
Enjoy your 30,s as they will go quick..:)
Member Since: September 27, 2007 Posts: 1 Comments: 24766
Quoting bappit:

"Tin foil hat" is the meme.

Feel the meme, be the meme.
HHHAAAA...Om mani padme hum....Om mani padme hum......
Member Since: September 27, 2007 Posts: 1 Comments: 24766

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