Summer in March peaks in U.S. and Canada; record late snow in Oregon

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:17 PM GMT on March 22, 2012

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A spring heat wave like no other in U.S. and Canadian history peaked in intensity yesterday, during its tenth day. Since record keeping began in the late 1800s, there have never been so many temperature records broken for spring warmth in a one-week period--and the margins by which some of the records were broken yesterday were truly astonishing. Wunderground's weather historian, Christopher C. Burt, commented to me yesterday, "it's almost like science fiction at this point." A few of the more remarkable records from yesterday:

Pellston, MI: record high broken by 32°F
Pellston, Michigan in the Northern Lower Peninsula is called "Michigan's Icebox", since it frequently records the coldest temperatures in the state, and in the entire nation. But the past five days, Pellston has set five consecutive records for hottest March day. Yesterday's 85° reading broke the previous record for the date (53° in 2007) by a ridiculous 32°, and was an absurd 48°F above average.

Low temperatures beat the previous record high for the date at two stations
The low temperature at Marquette, Michigan was 52° yesterday, which was 3° warmer than the previous record high for the date! The low at Mt. Washington, NH yesterday (44°) also beat the previous record high for the date (43°.)

Canadian cities break all-time April record for warmth in March
Not only was yesterday the warmest March day in recorded history for many of Canada's major cities, it was also warmer than any April day at St. John, New Brunswick. The city hit 25.4°C (78°F.) Not only did this crush the record high for March (previous record: 17.5°C), it is well above any temperature ever measured in April (extreme April temperature on record: 22.8°C.) Halifax, Nova Scotia hit 25.8°C yesterday, beating their all-time March record of 25.6°, and falling just short of their all-time April record of 26.3°C, set on April 30, 2004. As of 1 pm today, Halifax was at 27°C, beating their all-time April record. Other major cities in Canada that set all-time warmest March records yesterday included Ottawa (27.4°C), Montreal (25.8°C), Windsor (27.8°C), Hamilton (25.6°C), London (26.4°C), and Fredericton (27.1°C).


Figure 1. The intensity and scope of Summer in March is clearly visible in this data from the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instrument on the Terra satellite. The map depicts temperatures on March 8 - 15, 2012, compared to the average of the same eight day period of March from 2000-2011. Areas with warmer than average temperatures are shown in red; near-normal temperatures are white; and areas that were cooler than the 2000-2011 base period are blue. These land surface temperatures are distinct from the air temperatures that meteorological stations typically measure, and indicate how hot the surface of the Earth in a particular location would feel to the touch. From a satellite vantage point, the “surface” includes a number of materials that capture and retain heat, such as sand in the desert, the dark roof of a building, or the pavement of a road. As a result, daytime land surface temperature are usually much higher than air temperatures—something that anyone who has walked barefoot across a parking lot on a summer afternoon knows instinctively. Image credit: NASA Earth Observatory.

Summer in March warmth crushes records in Michigan
Yesterday, nearly every major airport in Michigan's Lower Peninsula broke the record they set the previous day for their hottest March temperature, including Detroit (84°), Flint (86°F, just 2° below their all-time April record), Saginaw (87°F, just 2° below their all-time April record), Grand Rapids (87°), Muskegon (82°), Lansing (86°), Alpena (87°), Gaylord (83°, which was 26° above the average high for the date), Pellston (85°), Houghton Lake (85°), and Traverse City (87°, which was which was 45°F above the average high for the date, and was the fifth consecutive day they tied or broke their record for hottest March temperature, and just 3° below their record high temperature of 90° for April.) In Michigan's Upper Peninsula, Sault Ste. Marie's 83° (26° above the average high for the date) crushed the previous March record by 8°, and was only 2° shy of the warmest temperature ever measured in April. Cities in states neighboring Michigan that broke all-time March records for warmth yesterday included:

Indiana:
Fort Wayne (87°) and South Bend (86°)

Ohio:
Columbus (85°), Toledo (85°), Cleveland (83°), and Mansfield (82°)

Wisconsin:
Milwaukee (84°), Madison (83°), and Green Bay (82°). The NWS office in Madison notes that in July of 2009, Madison only had seven days of 80 degree temperatures, and the highest temperature for the whole month was 82. This March, Madison has had five days of 80 degree temperatures, with a high temperature for the month of 83. Prior to this year, there had been only five March 80°F+ days in Madison's history, going back to 1869.

Record March warmth continues in the Northeast U.S.
For the second consecutive day, temperatures across much of Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine yesterday were the warmest on record for so early in the year. Hottest March temperatures on record occurred at Bangor, Maine (83°F), Houlton, Maine (79°F), Caribou, Maine (75°), Mount Washington, New Hampshire (54°F), and Buffalo, NY (82°).


Figure 2. The jet stream pattern features a large, southwards dipping bulge over the Western U.S., creating a trough of low pressure with cold and snow, and a large, northwards looping bulge over the Central U.S., creating a record-strength ridge of high pressure. The Western U.S. trough has cut off into a "cut-off low" that is slowly drifting eastwards.

Remarkable late-season snow storm on West Coast
The convoluted jet stream pattern that brought Summer in March conditions to the Eastern U.S. and Canada is also bringing record snows to Oregon. Eugene, Oregon picked up 7.5 inches of snow yesterday, the largest snowstorm this late in the year on record. The previous record was a 7.6" snow storm on March 5 - 7, 1951. Snow amounts as high as 32" have been recorded in the Oregon Cascades over the past few days. A loop in the jet stream has created a large upper-level ridge of high pressure that is stuck in place over the Eastern U.S., and large upper-level trough of low pressure over the Western U.S. Since the jet stream acts as the boundary between cold air to the north and warm air to the south, and the large loop in the jet places its axis far to the north of the eastern U.S., summer-like warmth has developed over the eastern half of the U.S. Conversely, colder than average temperatures have developed over the western third of the U.S. behind the southwards-dipping loop of the jet stream. This jet stream pattern was too extreme to be stable, and the big loop over the Western U.S. has broken off to form a giant eddy. The resulting area of low pressure is known as a "cut-off low", because it is cut off from the jet stream. The cut-off low is drifting slowly eastwards, and will bring an end to "Summer in March" over the Eastern half of the U.S. by Friday.

Jeff Masters

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503. CJ5
7:08 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
We all passionate about things.

I understand completely.

But to put yer opine at the end of a statement that's out of date shows your intent.

Vote the bum out in 2012 !!!


It was a political swipe at the CnC.


This isnt a forum for it, though we all sometimes drift into it.


Like that didn't happen about everyday during the last admin. Political opinions are quite common on here, let's not act like his opinion giving is something new. The only reason it is getting play is because it is a right sided opinion.
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502. DocNDswamp
5:49 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
452. Patrap 10:28 AM CDT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
Dat sucka rumbled and stumbled,...all night long till dawn.

Saw where a Huge Oak tree in Audubon Park lost a large portion of Bark from a Lightening strike.






Ditto that Pat,
Guess my post yesterday aftn of having been lucky up to that point down here of "having enough breaks between storms, lesser intensity" came back to bite... I added another .42" thru midnight for yesterday's totals, dumped the gauge, then in about 5 hr period, say 12:30-5:30 this morn received another 3.93" with stalled boundary / numerous training cells... Had barely got to sleep from the thundering racket when awakened by discomforting sound of drops inside - dang roof sprang two new leaks! Sheesh... Anyway, Terrebonne and Lafourche totally saturated, bayous / canals all full to banks, lot of street flooding at peak earlier, etc... Only a few reports of water in houses, but we'll see...

All told, the event rain tally from my home Cocorah gauge now stands at 8.35"... (Tue: .02", Wed: 2.86", Thu: 1.54", Fri: 3.93")... Glad to see this shift east, don't need anymore for a while, lol... Up to this event, my monthly total was at only .53" while everyone else had been getting it... Very similar, reminded me of last hvy March deluge we had, back on Mar 25-26 2009... But that one was more intense, according to my notes, most all fell within a 3 AM-3 AM / 24 hr period...

Hello and welcome back, glorious sunshine!!!
;)
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501. nigel20
5:31 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
March 22, 2012
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500. nigel20
5:30 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
March 22, 2011
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499. nigel20
5:24 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Good dall all
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498. BobWallace
5:20 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:





wunderblog entry


Thank you for posting that article.

We need reminders that behind statistics are real people....
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497. BobWallace
5:13 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting TXMegaWatt:


Ease up Bob. You obviously didn't read the email thoroughly. I'm not here to get into a verbal battle (with you especially).

I enjoy shooting as a hobby. By no means does it make me a bigger or tougher man by doing so. Your obvious enthusiasm opposing my position is probably more than I want to take on right now. I'm sorry you feel so negatively about firearms. You must have had or known of too many bad experiences involving them. I'll do us both a favor and retreat knowing you and I are two very different people (in all ways of life judging by your previous posts). I guess thats what makes this country great!


I have absolutely nothing against firearms. My issue is only with some of the people who use them.

I grew up around guns. I hunted when I was young. I own a shotgun. I used it a couple of years ago to put down my old, very sick dog.

If someone wants to shoot deer/whatever for meat I've got no problem with that. If someone enjoys target shooting, I'm fine with that.

What I'm not fine with are the jerks who create their identity behind a gun.

But I don't know why we should support hobby shooters with our tax dollars. If the Chinese are willing to pay more for brass, then sell it to them. If you want to outbid the Chinese with money out of your pocket you can likely take the market away from the Chinese.



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496. TXMegaWatt
5:06 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
We all passionate about things.

I understand completely.

But to put yer opine at the end of a statement that's out of date shows your intent.

Vote the bum out in 2012 !!!


It was a political swipe at the CnC.


This isnt a forum for it, though we all sometimes drift into it.


Maybe I should have deleted that part of the email. My only words were at the top in italics.
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495. aspectre
5:01 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
New Blog
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494. Patrap
5:00 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
We all passionate about things.

I understand completely.

But to put yer opine at the end of a statement that's out of date shows your intent.

Vote the bum out in 2012 !!!


It was a political swipe at the CnC.


This isnt a forum for it, though we all sometimes drift into it.
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493. TXMegaWatt
4:55 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting BobWallace:


Ease up Bob. You obviously didn't read the email thoroughly. I'm not here to get into a verbal battle (with you especially).

I enjoy shooting as a hobby. By no means does it make me a bigger or tougher man by doing so. Your obvious enthusiasm opposing my position is probably more than I want to take on right now. I'm sorry you feel so negatively about firearms. You must have had or known of too many bad experiences involving them. I'll do us both a favor and retreat knowing you and I are two very different people (in all ways of life judging by your previous posts). I guess thats what makes this country great!
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492. dabirds
4:47 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Have to keep my eye on that one ILwthr, still a ways to go, but on a path for my area this p.m. Thanks. Finding lots of morels here, I went Tues, none in my spot then, but expect plenty when head out Sat after these rains.
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491. Patrap
4:47 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting oreodogsghost:
Dang son! The shipyards?

I didn't know. I'm so sorry you have to deal with that - but I'm glad you gotcha some good lawyers for getting what's rightfully yours.


Refinery refractory Work, and it was Dad, I'm just well, A Dead Man walking as I was exposed for 3 years before I went to work for Reagan.


wunderblog entry
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490. BobWallace
4:43 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting TXMegaWatt:
An email that was forwarded to me this morning. This will really tick you off if you're a shootist like me.

Vote the bum out in 2012 !!!


You know, I really don't give a flying fig if you're going to have to pay more money in order to make loud noises and make yourself feel like a big man.

If it cuts down on the number of yahoos who mess up the tranquility of weekends around here trying to see who can chop down a tree fastest with their gun of choice, I'll applaud.

Furthermore, what do you have against the free market?
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489. oreodogsghost
4:43 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Dang son! The shipyards?

I didn't know. I'm so sorry you have to deal with that - but I'm glad you gotcha some good lawyers for getting what's rightfully yours.
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488. Some1Has2BtheRookie
4:40 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting TXMegaWatt:


Oh gosh, crap like this hits this blog all the time. I'm sure you've dropped a few turds like this in your time as well. Besides, a new Dr. Masters post is bound to be coming down the pipes momentarily anyhow. I do apologize, however, for damaging your delicate sensitivity to the nature of this blog. I'll remember to keep my opinions to myself next time instead of injecting them into the obvious ongoing weather discussion.


You are correct. I have dropped a few myself over the years. That is why I check the bushes a little closer now before I drop anything these days.

The email sounds very convincing. That was part of its intent. Many have been fooled by it. You are not the first and you will not be the last. ... Life goes on.
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487. aspectre
4:40 PM GMT on March 23, 2012

483 oreodogsghost: Sweet - have anything to do with an incident on an offshore installation (operated by a US subsidiary of a foreign corporation) that sounds like a South American snake?

Does it rhyme with DannyDarko?
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486. Patrap
4:40 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
..Asbestosis


But I digress.

Here's sum weather though.

Itsa tad stale though, the HPC Guys are slow to update as of late.

Spring break and all ya know.

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485. oreodogsghost
4:40 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Darn those innertubes.
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484. oreodogsghost
4:39 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Or does it relate to a rather windy lady from 7 years ago?
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483. oreodogsghost
4:38 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Sweet - have anything to do with an incident on an offshore installation (operated by a US subsidiary of a foreign corporation) that sounds like a South American snake?
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482. Patrap
4:37 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
..Im sorry, I humbly apologize for taking the time to search for the truth.


It took .37 of one minute using Google & snope's.

I lub me some web ya know's!!!
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481. Patrap
4:36 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
..if you can, tell "Baron & Budd" I'm awaiting a envelope odog..

A "large" un too.

: )
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480. oreodogsghost
4:35 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
I think someone's feelings got hurt.

C'mon Pat, apologize.

Heh!
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479. oreodogsghost
4:34 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Working my tail off.

Interesting Houston facts:

February & March (through the 22nd) rain totals - 2011: 0.78
2012: 13.65

I got blooms on my blooms!

Goin to Wimberley this weekend - the bluebonnets are exploding!
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478. TXMegaWatt
4:34 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
Thats been making the er, rounds for some time now.

As a former US Marine, Truth trumps Political posturing every time.

Esp in a weather,"science" entry.

If one has to place their obvious point of view, maybe open a Blog entry and post it.

That way you can express your opinion by not injecting it into the conversation here.



Oh gosh, crap like this hits this blog all the time. I'm sure you've dropped a few turds like this in your time as well. Besides, a new Dr. Masters post is bound to be coming down the pipes momentarily anyhow. I do apologize, however, for damaging your delicate sensitivity to the nature of this blog. I'll remember to keep my opinions to myself next time instead of injecting them into the obvious ongoing weather discussion.
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477. Patrap
4:32 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
I will send that to weatherbell.com chief met right away nea..
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476. Patrap
4:31 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
ya dere,,padnah'
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475. Neapolitan
4:31 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
This just came over the internets--not that it'll come as a shock to anyone who's been watching and reading:

2001-2010 warmest decade on record: WMO

"Climate change has accelerated in the past decade, the UN weather agency said Friday, releasing data showing that 2001 to 2010 was the warmest decade on record.

The 10-year period was also marked by extreme levels of rain or snowfall, leading to significant flooding on all continents, while droughts affected parts of East Africa and North America.

"The decade 2001-2010 was the warmest since records began in 1850, with global land and sea surface temperatures estimated at 0.46 degrees Celsius above the long term average of 14.0 degrees Celsius (57.2 degrees Fahrenheit)," said the World Meteorological Organisation.

Nine of the 10 years also counted among the 10 warmest on record, it added, noting that "climate change accelerated" during the first decade of the 21st century.

The trend continued in 2011, which was the warmest year on record despite La Nina -- a weather pattern which has a cooling effect.

The average temperature in 2011 was 0.40 degrees Celsius above the long term average, said the WMO.

"This 2011 annual assessment confirms the findings of the previous WMO annual statements that climate change is happening now and is not some distant future threat," said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.

"The world is warming because of human activities and this is resulting in far-reaching and potentially irreversible impacts on our Earth, atmosphere and oceans," he added.

The UN weather agency noted that during the decade, "numerous weather and climate extremes affected almost every part of the globe with flooding, droughts, cyclones, heat waves and cold waves."

Historical floods hit Eastern Europe in 2001 and 2005, Africa in 2008, Asia and Australia in 2010.

Global precipitation -- including rain or snow -- reached the second highest average since 1901. THe highest average was recorded for the decade 1951-1960.

Meanwhile for the North Atlantic basin, the 10 years marked the highest level of tropical cyclone activity, including Hurricane Katrina which struck the United States in 2005 and Cyclone Nargis which hit Myanmar in 2008."
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474. oreodogsghost
4:30 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Yessir! I'd say Pat knows a thing or two about the military. And weapons. And refuting the claims od concern __olls worried about usuns losing our freedoms.

Hiyas, Pat!
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473. Some1Has2BtheRookie
4:30 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting TXMegaWatt:


Wow! Didn't realize it was that old. Guess a little research before posting would have been a good idea.


Do I detect a slight suggestion that I might be old? LOL
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472. ILwthrfan
4:28 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Strong rotation now with that cell I showed earlier, wonder if we will get a Tornado warning?



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471. TXMegaWatt
4:26 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Yep! I saw this very same email several years ago. I see that it is "making the rounds" ( hmmmmmm, was that a pun??? ) once again. LOL


Wow! Didn't realize it was that old. Guess a little research before posting would have been a good idea.
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470. Patrap
4:25 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Thats been making the er, rounds for some time now.

As a former US Marine, Truth trumps Political posturing every time.

Esp in a weather,"science" entry.

If one has to place their obvious point of view, maybe open a Blog entry and post it.

That way you can express your opinion by not injecting it into the conversation here.

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469. Neapolitan
4:24 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
The NCDC weather extremes page is finally back up and functioning after nearly a week with only intermittent service. The numbers for the past ten days (March 13-22):

5,077 daily high records (set or tied)
5,032 daily high minimum records (set or tied)
10,109 daily high records (set or tied)

100 daily low records (set or tied)
350 daily low maximum records (set or tied)
450 daily low records (set or tied)

Ratio of daily high records to daily low records: 50.77 to 1
Ratio of daily high minimum records to daily low maximum records: 14.37 to 1
Overall warm record/cool record ratio: 22.46 to 1.

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Month-to-date warm temperature records set or tied to cool temperature records set or tied: 11,954 to 796 (15.02 to 1)
Year-to-date warm temperature records set or tied to cool temperature records set or tied: 18,424 to 1,609 (11.45 to 1)

All-time March high, and high minimum, temperature records set or tied this month: 430
All-time March low, and low maximum, temperature records set or tied this month: 9
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468. TXMegaWatt
4:22 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
Classy..


.."setting" down?

LOL

ya may wanna check yer, er.."Sources" there sport.


Mixture of true and outdated information


Small arms cartridge case policy revised
3/20/2009
Tonya Johnson
703-767-6310
LaTonya.Johnson@dla.mil


But thanx for playing, u can collect yer consolation button on the way out, the Lady at the end of the blog will see to yas.




Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad you were on top of that. Pretty quick response! You must know a little something about it.
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467. Some1Has2BtheRookie
4:22 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Patrap:
Classy..


.."setting" down?

LOL

ya may wanna check yer, er.."Sources" there sport.


Mixture of true and outdated information






Yep! I saw this very same email several years ago. I see that it is "making the rounds" ( hmmmmmm, was that a pun??? ) once again. LOL
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466. Patrap
4:14 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Classy..

LOL

ya may wanna check yer, er.."Sources" there sport.


Mixture of true and outdated information


Small arms cartridge case policy revised
3/20/2009
Tonya Johnson
703-767-6310
LaTonya.Johnson@dla.mil


But thanx for playing, u can collect yer consolation button on the way out, the Lady at the end of the blog will see to yas.


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465. TXMegaWatt
4:12 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
An email that was forwarded to me this morning. This will really tick you off if you're a shootist like me.

Be sure you are sitting down when you read this one... !

Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America. They sell 9mm, .45, .223 ammunition. They normally buy spent brass from the US Department of Defense (DOD). Spent brass is "one time used" shell cases used by our Military for training purposes.

They buy the brass, recondition it, and then reload the brass for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Clubs, Gun Shops, and stores like Wal-Mart. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time.

This week the DOD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and informed him that from now on the DOD will be destroying the spent brass, shredding it. It will no longer be available to the ammo makers, unless they buy it in a scrap, shredded condition (which they have no use for).

The shredded brass is now going to be sold by the DOD to China as scrap metal, after the DOD pays for it to be shredded. The DOD is selling the brass to China for less money than the ammo makers have been paying, plus the DOD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do the accounting paperwork.

This sure helps the economy now doesn't it? Sell cheaper to China, and do not sell at all to a proven US business. Any hidden agenda working here? Obama is going after the Firearms Industry and our ammunition!! The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week. The DOD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. (Shell cases he had already bought!)

The brass has no value to the ammo maker if it is destroyed/shredded/melted. The ammo manufacturer only uses the empty brass cases to reload different calibers, mainly .223 bullets.

The owner of Georgia Arms says that he will have to lay off at least half of his 60 workers, within 2-3 months if the DOD will no longer sell spent brass cases to the industry. Georgia Arms has 2-3 months of inventory to use and by summer they're out.

If the Reloading Industry has to purchase new manufacture brass cases, then the cost of ammunition will double or even triple, plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.

You can read the information and see the DOD letter to Georgia Arms here:
The Shootist Site.... http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-o f-expended-military.html

If you're not outraged at what this administration is doing, you should be!

Be Afraid! Be Very, Very Afraid! Get involved! It's Your Freedom and our Country they're Stealing! If You Fail to Act Now, there may not be a Free United States tomorrow!

I implore you to get involved and forward this to as many people as you can. Contact your legislators and put them on notice, "We're fed up with what's going on in the name of stimulating our economy!"

Vote the bum out in 2012 !!!
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464. Patrap
4:11 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
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463. SteveDa1
4:07 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Scientists have found a large reduction in the amount of the coldest deep ocean water, called Antarctic Bottom Water, all around the Southern Ocean using data collected from 1980 to 2011. These findings, in a study now online, will likely stimulate new research on the causes of this change.

Amount of coldest Antarctic water near ocean floor decreasing for decades
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462. Some1Has2BtheRookie
4:06 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting bappit:

Any effect on the troposphere would be slight I believe. The energy was radiated to space soon after. It's all pretty moot.


This is true. The vast majority of the energy was redirected back into space. ... I just hope that some do not begin saying that we need to increase the amount of the upper atmospheric levels of CO2 and nitric oxide to help protect us against any future solar activity. I feel fairly certain that WUWT will soon have an article along this very train of thought. sigh
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461. bappit
3:49 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Yes, I believe that most of us, if not all, are aware of what layer of the atmosphere was being discussed in the article. The question was brought up as to if the increased solar activity was a causation for the recent high temps that have been observed. A notation was made that the solar activity should have impacted the entire climate and not just where the much higher than normal temps have been observed. Unless there is some evidence that the solar activity was somehow concentrated to a single region on Earth, then the statement that it would be global and not regional is a valid statement. I believe that this is all that was being pointed out.

Any effect on the troposphere would be slight I believe. The energy was radiated to space soon after. It's all pretty moot.
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460. Minnemike
3:48 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Patrap's image shows it well, that you can correlate the solar activity to peaks and valleys of our climate, but the average gets higher. there is a notable anomaly with the length of the latest solar minimum, during a period when the rising average appears to level off, some even argue declines. to my original point, this is an illusion due to the excessive solar minimum. as the sun wakes up, it will be shown that the globe has been warming the whole time. we'll soon see numbers we'd not yet seen.
the man walking the dog analogy at play.
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459. Minnemike
3:42 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting bappit:

Dudes, they're talking about the thermosphere.

"The thermosphere is the layer of the Earth's atmosphere directly above the mesosphere and directly below the exosphere. Within this layer, ultraviolet radiation causes ionization. The International Space Station has a stable orbit within the middle of the thermosphere, between 320 and 380 kilometres (200 and 240 mi). Auroras also occur in the thermosphere."

Wikipedia
good info, though i was not linking or commenting on the article; rather solar activity and it's forcings on our climate. i speculate the ramp up could have correlations to the 'loading of dice', as that's been used around here. the sun did not cause the heat wave, that was weather. i do want to make that clear if my earlier hinting was any bit vague.
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458. SteveDa1
3:39 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting bappit:

No, dude. Money and organized opposition to climate science fueled the "debates".


Yes, but I believe if the trend had continued climbing at a rapid rate we would have eventually realized that politics are uncalled for and we need to act now.
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457. bappit
3:36 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting SteveDa1:
The halt of the upward nature in temperatures is what fuelled debates over the last decade.

No, dude. Money and organized opposition to climate science fueled the "debates".
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456. hydrus
3:34 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
tHE WEEK OF mARCH-16..A couple carry their wide-screen TV and a few other possessions as rain drenches Carencro, La., on Monday. Authorities declared a state of emergency after floodwaters from overnight thunderstorms inundated dozens of homes.
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455. Some1Has2BtheRookie
3:34 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting bappit:

Dudes, they're talking about the thermosphere.

"The thermosphere is the layer of the Earth's atmosphere directly above the mesosphere and directly below the exosphere. Within this layer, ultraviolet radiation causes ionization. The International Space Station has a stable orbit within the middle of the thermosphere, between 320 and 380 kilometres (200 and 240 mi). Auroras also occur in the thermosphere."

Wikipedia


Yes, I believe that most of us, if not all, are aware of what layer of the atmosphere was being discussed in the article. The question was brought up as to if the increased solar activity was a causation for the recent high temps that have been observed. A notation was made that the solar activity should have impacted the entire climate and not just where the much higher than normal temps have been observed. Unless there is some evidence that the solar activity was somehow concentrated to a single region on Earth, then the statement that it would be global and not regional is a valid statement. I believe that this is all that was being pointed out.
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454. Patrap
3:33 PM GMT on March 23, 2012

Global Climate Change Indicators
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Climatic Data Center


Many lines of scientific evidence show the Earth's climate is changing. This page presents the latest information from several independent measures of observed climate change that illustrate an overwhelmingly compelling story of a planet that is undergoing global warming.
It is worth noting that increasing global temperature is only one element of observed global climate change. Precipitation patterns are also changing; storms and other extremes are changing as well.

How do we know the Earth's climate is warming?

Thousands of land and ocean temperature measurements are recorded each day around the globe. This includes measurements from climate reference stations, weather stations, ships, buoys and autonomous gliders in the oceans. These surface measurements are also supplemented with satellite measurements.

These measurements are processed, examined for random and systematic errors, and then finally combined to produce a time series of global average temperature change. A number of agencies around the world have produced datasets of global-scale changes in surface temperature using different techniques to process the data and remove measurement errors that could lead to false interpretations of temperature trends.

The warming trend that is apparent in all of the independent methods of calculating global temperature change is also confirmed by other independent observations, such as the melting of mountain glaciers on every continent, reductions in the extent of snow cover, earlier blooming of plants in spring, a shorter ice season on lakes and rivers, ocean heat content, reduced arctic sea ice, and rising sea levels.




Global surface temperature (top, blue) and the Sun's energy received at the top of Earth's atmosphere (red, bottom). Solar energy has been measured by satellites since 1978.


The amount of solar energy received at the top of our atmosphere has followed its natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs, but with no net increase. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. This indicates that it is extremely unlikely that solar influence has been a significant driver of global temperature change over several decades.


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453. SteveDa1
3:30 PM GMT on March 23, 2012
Quoting Minnemike:
i've been thinking much the same.. and that the lengthy solar minimum we'd experienced this past decade helped to mask the affects of perpetually rising atmospheric C02. now that the sun is waking up, i think this planet is about to undergo a rude awakening in tandem with the next solar maximum. my concern is that '98 is going to look like the new average, and the El Nino years ahead are going to be hot hot HOT!
the 'stabilized temp' trend that warming deniers use from the raw UAH data is about to become moot evidence, for any who don't believe climate scientists who have showed warming over the same period when adjusting for factors such as solar activity.


Quoting Neapolitan:
Yes, indeed. During a La Nina, CO2-induced heat is being stashed away in the oceans at a great rate; when an El Nino comes along, some of that oceanic heat is released back into the atmosphere. And given the length and intensity of the current La Nina, there's no reason at all to think the next El Nino--especially if it's a strong one--won't see global temperatures higher than anything we've yet experienced

I've heard a number of meteorologists claim that this month's NA heat wave was far more intense than anyone will ever again see in their lifetime. But I think they're wrong.


I also think that the next strong El Nino will feature temperatures far higher than the record so far. Also, it is likely that a combination of the lengthy solar minimum of which you speak of in the 2000's, frequent La Nina's, and a distinct lack of moderately strong El Nino's is what "stabilized" the upward trend we were experiencing in the 80's and 90's.

It may be good news to some that the climate has "stabilized" over the last 10-12 years but in my opinion it's actually bad. The halt of the upward nature in temperatures is what fuelled debates over the last decade. These debates, which should have clearly ended in the 90's because it is obvious our climate is changing at a very rapid rate, have led many to believe that climate change is a hoax, conspiracy or whatnot.

Hopefully as the temperature starts climbing again, so too will the incentive and urgency of people to change our ways as quickly as possible.

Taken from wikipedia:





As you can see, since 2000, there has been a lack of moderately-strong El Ninos. La Ninas were much more frequent in the last 10 or so years than between 1980 and the year 2000. Just look at the amount of El Ninos in the 80's and 90's. This might have cause an exaggeration in the upward trend a little but not by much and now that we are experiencing frequent La Nina's since around 2000, the trend has somewhat stabilized.

Looking at the first graph, every La Nina since 1986 has been warmer than the last.
It's very feasible we reach an anomaly of +0.7C this year.

This is what I think... we won't know for sure until say another 5-8 years but I think that ample evidence will present itself between now and 2020 (which is around the time where solar will become close to parity in a lot of places) and we will finally start heading in a forward direction.
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