Nation's Icebox basks in 77°F warmth

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:08 PM GMT on March 18, 2012

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Each year, when the list of coldest U.S. cities is compiled, International Falls, Minnesota regularly winds up at the top of the list, earning its title as "Icebox of the Nation". The city once hit -55°F (on January 6, 1909), and takes pride in the distinction of being the coldest city in the U.S., having trademarked the term "Icebox of the Nation" in 1948. The city recently defended the trademark against the town of Fraser, Colorado, which sought to usurp the title as the Nation's Icebox. But yesterday, International Falls set a truly phenomenal weather record for warmth. The city's temperature soared to 77°F, which was 42° above the average high temperature for the date. Not only was it the city's hottest March temperature on record by 4°, it was just 4° shy of yesterday's high in Miami, Florida. But what was truly amazing is that the 77°F high in International Falls beat the previous record for the date by 22°! I talked to Christopher C. Burt, wunderground's weather historian, and he couldn't recall seeing a station with a century-plus period of weather records break a daily record by such a wide margin (International Falls' records go back to 1895.) Yesterday's temperatures in International Falls were but one chapter in the on-going story of one of the most extreme meteorological events in U.S. history. Never before has such an extended period of extreme and record-breaking warm temperatures affected such a large portion of the U.S. in March, going back to the beginning of record keeping in the late 1800s. The record-breaking warmth will continue through Thursday, and I'll have much more to say in Monday's post.

Jeff Masters

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Warmer in Chicago than NOLA ..

Sheesh
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Quoting BobWallace:


Over the last few years China has closed about 10,000 of their least-efficient, dirtiest coal plants. The coal plants which they have built are state of the art, efficient, clean (as possible with coal) plants.

China just placed a cap on how much coal can be burned in the entire country. The cap will go into effect in 2015 and means that any further energy production will have to be something other than coal.

China has become the major installer of wind power. Their wind/capita ration puts the US to shame.

China has become a major installer of solar power. China is setting solar installation records.

China has begun to install massive banks of storage batteries in order to assist their wind and solar generation.

China has just begun a major effort to put a lot of electric cars on their roads, including subsidizing EVs and installing charge stations.

We in the US need to worry more about the way we do business, about our contribution to climate change. We, per capita, are the world's villains.


China, of whom you seem to be so enamoured of, also has one of the worst "human rights" records there is. Each couple is allowed only one child with forced abortions to enforce it. Barbaric! Also if the state sees talent in your child, they can and will take it and raise it as they see fit against the wishes of the parents. Great place. Since we're the "villians" please feel free to go live with your heroes. I won't try to stop you.
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Quoting weatherh98:


Are you okay? Why are they in such bad smog if they are so "clean"


Sorry, your question makes no sense.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



The lad is 13 or something like that, don't waste your time arguing ;)
Even at 13, it should be obvious that this was a catastrophic storm. You have a very legitimate point, and I should have remembered he is not an adult..:)
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Later guys....I'm cooking some dinner
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Pellston, MI, reached 80 a short time ago. That beats the record for the date of 58 by 22 degrees, the same margin as the International Falls record of which Dr. Masters wrote. It's also ties yesterday for the warmest ever March day there. (The Pelliston forecast for Tuesday calls for a high of 82. The record high for that day is 55, so reaching that would mean breaking the record by a margin of 27 degrees.)


Some of these figures are amazing, the obvious question for some of us in the far away, is?
How far up into Canada are these temp anomalies going as the maps and charts being posted seem to stop at the US, Canada boarder! As the warm winds won't take any notice of national boundaries, at least in this case; whats happening around Hudson bay and to the East of there.
A lot of snow must have gone into "shock melt" with all this warming out of normal season, so to say.
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Quoting pottery:

Not Me !!
I'm going to stand up, hang on to the overhead strap, and swing with the curves and bumps.

At least I can say I'm having fun.....
May as well.

Me too. Survival depends upon adaptation.
Added to that, we humans have the advantage (I think) of self-consciousness.
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Quoting hydrus:
Do me a favor O.K.? Please read this first,...Link ...and then come back with another post saying that this storm was a cat-4, and that cat-4,s do this type of damage. After that, if you still think that the experts are wrong calling this a 5, I will post more relevant information and see if you change your mind then.



The lad is 13 or something like that, don't waste your time arguing ;)
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NWS gearing up.....


SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1931Z SUN MAR 18 2012

CRITICAL WEATHER DAY AHEAD... BEGINNING AT 1200Z MONDAY..
CWD WILL BE IN EFFECT FROM 12Z MONDAY..MARCH 19TH.. AND WILL RUN
UNTIL 12Z THURSDAY..MARCH 22ND. NWS SOUTHERN..CENTRAL REGIONS AS
WELL AS NCEP.. NWSTG AND NCF WILL PARTICIPATE IN THIS CWD TO
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A RELIABLE FLOW OF DATA DURING THIS CWD EVENT.

THE NCEP HPC AS WELL AS EACH OF THESE REGIONS REQUESTED THE CWD
DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL AND FLASH FLOODING DURING
THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS AND EASTWARD INTO
THE MS VALLEY AS WELL AS NORTHWARD INTO THE SOUTHERN MIDWEST.. THE
THREAT FOR SEVERE WEATHER IS ALSO POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

IN SUMMARY..CWD WILL RUN FROM 12Z MONDAY MORNING UNTIL 12Z
THURSDAY MORNING. MARCH 19TH TO MARCH 22ND. NWS
SOUTHERN..CENTRAL.. NCEP..NWSTG.. AND NCF WILL PARTICIPATE IN THIS
CWD.


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Quoting hydrus:
This storm reportedly was blowing cannons around. Some experts believe the winds were in excess of 200 mph..The Great Hurricane persisted near Barbados for about two days, producing violent winds which were described as "so deafening that people could not hear their own voices." The winds stripped the bark off trees before the hurricane downed every tree on the island.[2] This phenomenon has not been observed in any of the strongest modern-day tropical cyclones, so, according to meteorologist Dr. Jose Millas, for it to have been done by winds and rain alone would require winds over 200 mph (320 km/h).[7] The winds also destroyed every house on Barbados. Most ships at the bay broke free of their moorings from the hurricane's rough surf and all forts on the island were destroyed.[2] The winds and seas moved heavy cannons about 100 feet (30 m). About 4,500 people died on the island.[7]

In Saint Vincent, the hurricane destroyed 584 of the 600 houses in Kingstown. At Grenada, 19 Dutch ships were wrecked. On Saint Lucia, rough waves and a strong storm tide destroyed the fleet of British Admiral Rodney at Port Castries, with one ship destroying the city's hospital by being lifted on top of it. The hurricane destroyed all but two houses at Port Castries, and throughout the island about 6,000 perished.[2]

A fleet of 40 French ships involved in the American Revolutionary War capsized as a result of the hurricane off Martinique; about 4,000 soldiers drowned. The hurricane produced a 25-foot (7.6 m) storm surge on Martinique, destroying all houses in Saint-Pierre; 9,000 died on the island. Severe damage was reported on Dominica, Guadeloupe, Antigua, and Saint Kitts, though it is unknown if any died on those islands. Additionally, many ships were washed ashore on Saint Kitts. A powerful storm surge affected the island of Sint Eustatius, causing 4,000 to 5,000 fatalities.[2]

Heavy damage was reported in southern Puerto Rico, primarily in Cabo Rojo and Lajas. Severe damage also occurred in the eastern region of Santo Domingo. The hurricane later grounded 50 ships near Bermuda. Throughout its path, the hurricane killed over 20,000 people, possibly as high as 24,000, making it the deadliest hurricane in Atlantic hurricane history.[2][3]



They should rename it hurricane apocalypse, my gosh, I'm surprised Ive never heard of that hurricane before, that is unreal, and very disturbing...


Lets hope we never get one of those again, holy crap, thats like a movie.
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Quoting Speeky:
I wonder how the tornado and hurricane seasons will be like this year. Based on current temperature trends we may be headed for quite the year in weather.

This season's tornado season has already been...abnormally active. More so than last year at this time.

Probably will not last as we head into April and the monster outbreaks we got last year eclipses this year, but still...it's not a good sign.

I've went through and counted the average number of high risks each year...Looks like we still have 4-5 more to go.
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Mesoscale Discussion 273

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Surprised the Storm Prediction Center has not issued a 10% tornado across the eastern Texas panhandle and eastern Oklahoma. Could have several tornadoes there..
This system will have a few surprises in store for us. I am sure of it.
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Omg that is random.


I'm known for being a bit random at times :)
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I wonder how the tornado and hurricane seasons will be like this year. Based on current temperature trends we may be headed for quite the year in weather.
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0273
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0231 PM CDT SUN MAR 18 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...ERN OK/TX PANHANDLES...FAR WRN OK...WRN N TX

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 181931Z - 182130Z

THE SEVERE THREAT WILL INCREASE OVER THE NEXT 1-3 HOURS AND
THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO INITIATE AROUND 21Z. LARGE HAIL WILL
BE THE MAIN THREAT BUT A FEW TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE. A WW
WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR OR SO.

19Z VIS SAT IMAGERY SHOWED CUMULUS BEGINNING TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE
TX S PLAINS E OF LBB AHEAD OF A DRYLINE EXTENDING SWD FROM WRN KS
THROUGH SWRN TX. AS TEMPERATURES HAVE WARMED INTO THE MID AND UPPER
70S THIS AFTERNOON...ONLY WEAK MLCIN REMAINS WITH MLCAPE VALUES NOW
APPROACHING 2000 J/KG. WITH ADDITIONAL HEATING REMAINING CAP WILL
QUICKLY ERODE AND CONVECTIVE INITIATION IS EXPECTED WITHIN THE NEXT
COUPLE OF HOURS. WHILE THE MAIN UPPER LEVEL FORCING REMAINS WELL TO
THE WEST ACROSS AZ/NM WITH THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH...HEIGHT FALLS
HAVE BEEN OCCURRING ACROSS THE REGION THIS AFTERNOON AND RECENT
PROFILER DATA HAVE INDICATED AN INCREASE IN MIDLEVEL FLOW STREAMING
INTO THE MCD AREA. GIVEN BULK SHEAR VALUES OF 35-45 KTS AND MIDLEVEL
LAPSE RATES AROUND 7.5 DEG C/KM...ORGANIZED SUPERCELL STORMS CAPABLE
OF LARGE HAIL ARE EXPECTED. WHILE LARGE HAIL WILL INITIALLY BE THE
MAIN THE THREAT...AS THE UPPER TROUGH MOVES EWD AND STRONGER DEEP
LAYER FORCING ENCROACHES UPON THE REGION TOWARD 00Z...LOW LEVEL
HODOGRAPHS WILL BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADO DEVELOPMENT.
THEREFORE...A TORNADO WATCH WILL LIKELY BE ISSUED.

..LEITMAN.. 03/18/2012

Surprised the Storm Prediction Center has not issued a 10% tornado across the eastern Texas panhandle and eastern Oklahoma. Could have several tornadoes there..
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:



now i have dark knight mares :)



LOL
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219. wxmod
Quoting BobWallace:


Over the last few years China has closed about 10,000 of their least-efficient, dirtiest coal plants. The coal plants which they have built are state of the art, efficient, clean (as possible with coal) plants.

China just placed a cap on how much coal can be burned in the entire country. The cap will go into effect in 2015 and means that any further energy production will have to be something other than coal.

China has become the major installer of wind power. Their wind/capita ration puts the US to shame.

China has become a major installer of solar power. China is setting solar installation records.

China has begun to install massive banks of storage batteries in order to assist their wind and solar generation.

China has just begun a major effort to put a lot of electric cars on their roads, including subsidizing EVs and installing charge stations.

We in the US need to worry more about the way we do business, about our contribution to climate change. We, per capita, are the world's villains.


This is true. And someday China hopes to clean it up. It's really American companies who have opened shop in China because of lax labor and environmental regulations and the people who consume the products they sell that have made the mess. So America, it's time to fix the mess. Bring the jobs back home and learn to comply with the regulations.
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Quoting BobWallace:


Over the last few years China has closed about 10,000 of their least-efficient, dirtiest coal plants. The coal plants which they have built are state of the art, efficient, clean (as possible with coal) plants.

China just placed a cap on how much coal can be burned in the entire country. The cap will go into effect in 2015 and means that any further energy production will have to be something other than coal.

China has become the major installer of wind power. Their wind/capita ration puts the US to shame.

China has become a major installer of solar power. China is setting solar installation records.

China has begun to install massive banks of storage batteries in order to assist their wind and solar generation.

China has just begun a major effort to put a lot of electric cars on their roads, including subsidizing EVs and installing charge stations.

We in the US need to worry more about the way we do business, about our contribution to climate change. We, per capita, are the world's villains.


Are you okay? Why are they in such bad smog if they are so "clean"
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Quoting SPLbeater:


it doesnt take 200mph windspeeds to do all of that, deafening roar, grounding ships, moving cannons...Hurricane Ike could have done that, lol :D
Do me a favor O.K.? Please read this first,...Link ...and then come back with another post saying that this storm was a cat-4, and that cat-4,s do this type of damage. After that, if you still think that the experts are wrong calling this a 5, I will post more relevant information and see if you change your mind then.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0273
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0231 PM CDT SUN MAR 18 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...ERN OK/TX PANHANDLES...FAR WRN OK...WRN N TX

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 181931Z - 182130Z

THE SEVERE THREAT WILL INCREASE OVER THE NEXT 1-3 HOURS AND
THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO INITIATE AROUND 21Z. LARGE HAIL WILL
BE THE MAIN THREAT BUT A FEW TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE. A WW
WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR OR SO.

19Z VIS SAT IMAGERY SHOWED CUMULUS BEGINNING TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE
TX S PLAINS E OF LBB AHEAD OF A DRYLINE EXTENDING SWD FROM WRN KS
THROUGH SWRN TX. AS TEMPERATURES HAVE WARMED INTO THE MID AND UPPER
70S THIS AFTERNOON...ONLY WEAK MLCIN REMAINS WITH MLCAPE VALUES NOW
APPROACHING 2000 J/KG. WITH ADDITIONAL HEATING REMAINING CAP WILL
QUICKLY ERODE AND CONVECTIVE INITIATION IS EXPECTED WITHIN THE NEXT
COUPLE OF HOURS. WHILE THE MAIN UPPER LEVEL FORCING REMAINS WELL TO
THE WEST ACROSS AZ/NM WITH THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH...HEIGHT FALLS
HAVE BEEN OCCURRING ACROSS THE REGION THIS AFTERNOON AND RECENT
PROFILER DATA HAVE INDICATED AN INCREASE IN MIDLEVEL FLOW STREAMING
INTO THE MCD AREA. GIVEN BULK SHEAR VALUES OF 35-45 KTS AND MIDLEVEL
LAPSE RATES AROUND 7.5 DEG C/KM...ORGANIZED SUPERCELL STORMS CAPABLE
OF LARGE HAIL ARE EXPECTED. WHILE LARGE HAIL WILL INITIALLY BE THE
MAIN THE THREAT...AS THE UPPER TROUGH MOVES EWD AND STRONGER DEEP
LAYER FORCING ENCROACHES UPON THE REGION TOWARD 00Z...LOW LEVEL
HODOGRAPHS WILL BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADO DEVELOPMENT.
THEREFORE...A TORNADO WATCH WILL LIKELY BE ISSUED.

..LEITMAN.. 03/18/2012
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Quoting weatherh98:


No that's not what I meant, they had a storm in 2006 like January I think and it was counted as the 2005 storm

I know, that is because Zeta formed in 2005 and latest into January.
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Quoting yqt1001:


Well actually, it's purpose is to tell us that you accidentally posted it and to tell us to move on.

Sorry, I had to. :P


lol

Quoting hydrus:
A ship lifted and set on top the cities hospital and destroying it. Almost nobody left alive on these islands. Barbados be nailed by a cat-5 for almost two solid days. EVERY house destroyed on Barbados. This storm defies the imagination even after everything we have seen in past decades. At least mine anyway..


I vote for CAMILLE.

if you really really wanna know about that 1780 storm, mail grothar and he can write a book on it. he was about 47 when it struck lol
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Quoting TaylorSelseth:


Damn, I do not want to even imagine the damage such a monster storm would cause if it hit a densely populated area today!!!

O_O
A ship lifted and set on top the cities hospital and destroying it. Almost nobody left alive on these islands. Barbados be nailed by a cat-5 for almost two solid days. EVERY house destroyed on Barbados. This storm defies the imagination even after everything we have seen in past decades. At least mine anyway..
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Quoting wxmod:


Actually, no, I don't want the gov to run everything. I want you and everyone here to quit doing business with China and most of Asia until they demonstrate their Earthly responsibility. That means no more cheap computers. The scale of their smog problem is biblical.


Over the last few years China has closed about 10,000 of their least-efficient, dirtiest coal plants. The coal plants which they have built are state of the art, efficient, clean (as possible with coal) plants.

China just placed a cap on how much coal can be burned in the entire country. The cap will go into effect in 2015 and means that any further energy production will have to be something other than coal.

China has become the major installer of wind power. Their wind/capita ration puts the US to shame.

China has become a major installer of solar power. China is setting solar installation records.

China has begun to install massive banks of storage batteries in order to assist their wind and solar generation.

China has just begun a major effort to put a lot of electric cars on their roads, including subsidizing EVs and installing charge stations.

We in the US need to worry more about the way we do business, about our contribution to climate change. We, per capita, are the world's villains.
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Quoting SPLbeater:
This comment your reading at this moment has no purpose what so ever. Move on.


Well actually, it's purpose is to tell us that you accidentally posted it and to tell us to move on.

Sorry, I had to. :P
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Quoting SPLbeater:
This comment your reading at this moment has no purpose what so ever. Move on.
hahahahahahah
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This comment your reading at this moment has no purpose what so ever. Move on.
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Quoting weatherh98:


I believe what he ment was, chinas government wanted to be a world super power so they did it at ALL cost which is why it got polluted. The government controlling anything must be we must be cautious of. IMO


I was in China in 1986, long before they started emerging as a manufacturing power. Their major cities looked like what is in the picture back then. Lots of soft coal used for electricity, heating and transportation. The trains were pulled by coal-fired steam engines.

As China spurted into the role as the world's leading producer they put production ahead of environment.

We, in the US, did exactly the same thing. Go back and look at the condition of our country prior to the environmental movement that arose in the last half of the 1900s. We filled our cites with air you could chew and we set our rivers on fire. We dumped massive amounts of toxic waste that we are still cleaning up.

Again - no one wants the government (us) to control everything. All any of us want is just enough control.

Goldilocks Regulations.
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Quoting wxmod:


Actually, no, I don't want the gov to run everything. I want you and everyone here to quit doing business with China and most of Asia until they demonstrate their Earthly responsibility. That means no more cheap computers. The scale of their smog problem is biblical.


+20000000000000000000000
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Quoting hydrus:
This storm reportedly was blowing cannons around. Some experts believe the winds were in excess of 200 mph..The Great Hurricane persisted near Barbados for about two days, producing violent winds which were described as "so deafening that people could not hear their own voices." The winds stripped the bark off trees before the hurricane downed every tree on the island.[2] This phenomenon has not been observed in any of the strongest modern-day tropical cyclones, so, according to meteorologist Dr. Jose Millas, for it to have been done by winds and rain alone would require winds over 200 mph (320 km/h).[7] The winds also destroyed every house on Barbados. Most ships at the bay broke free of their moorings from the hurricane's rough surf and all forts on the island were destroyed.[2] The winds and seas moved heavy cannons about 100 feet (30 m). About 4,500 people died on the island.[7]

In Saint Vincent, the hurricane destroyed 584 of the 600 houses in Kingstown. At Grenada, 19 Dutch ships were wrecked. On Saint Lucia, rough waves and a strong storm tide destroyed the fleet of British Admiral Rodney at Port Castries, with one ship destroying the city's hospital by being lifted on top of it. The hurricane destroyed all but two houses at Port Castries, and throughout the island about 6,000 perished.[2]

A fleet of 40 French ships involved in the American Revolutionary War capsized as a result of the hurricane off Martinique; about 4,000 soldiers drowned. The hurricane produced a 25-foot (7.6 m) storm surge on Martinique, destroying all houses in Saint-Pierre; 9,000 died on the island. Severe damage was reported on Dominica, Guadeloupe, Antigua, and Saint Kitts, though it is unknown if any died on those islands. Additionally, many ships were washed ashore on Saint Kitts. A powerful storm surge affected the island of Sint Eustatius, causing 4,000 to 5,000 fatalities.[2]

Heavy damage was reported in southern Puerto Rico, primarily in Cabo Rojo and Lajas. Severe damage also occurred in the eastern region of Santo Domingo. The hurricane later grounded 50 ships near Bermuda. Throughout its path, the hurricane killed over 20,000 people, possibly as high as 24,000, making it the deadliest hurricane in Atlantic hurricane history.[2][3]


it doesnt take 200mph windspeeds to do all of that, deafening roar, grounding ships, moving cannons...Hurricane Ike could have done that, lol :D
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204. wxmod
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Re: 170


So you want the Gov to run everything? That's how China got that way. Think about it.


Actually, no, I don't want the gov to run everything. I want you and everyone here to quit doing business with China and most of Asia until they demonstrate their Earthly responsibility. That means no more cheap computers. The scale of their smog problem is biblical.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

After December 31.


No that's not what I meant, they had a storm in 2006 like January I think and it was counted as the 2005 storm
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202. flsky
Quoting Patrap:
...the last 10 minutes

Interesting - thanks. I've thought about this film many times although I last watched quite a number of years ago.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

After December 31.


was it Zeta in 2005 that went from 2005 into 2006? Like December 28th-January 6th or somethin...
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Quoting Levi32:
On the ENSO topic again, one reason why an El Nino seems more likely this summer than last summer is because we have been getting MJO pulses across the central Pacific since February, something that didn't happen until a couple months later last year when the La Nina fell off.

MJO during February and March, 2011:



MJO during February and March (through the 16th), 2012:

could it be neutral???
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Quoting hydrus:
This storm reportedly was blowing cannons around. Some experts believe the winds were in excess of 200 mph..The Great Hurricane persisted near Barbados for about two days, producing violent winds which were described as "so deafening that people could not hear their own voices." The winds stripped the bark off trees before the hurricane downed every tree on the island.[2] This phenomenon has not been observed in any of the strongest modern-day tropical cyclones, so, according to meteorologist Dr. Jose Millas, for it to have been done by winds and rain alone would require winds over 200 mph (320 km/h).[7] The winds also destroyed every house on Barbados. Most ships at the bay broke free of their moorings from the hurricane's rough surf and all forts on the island were destroyed.[2] The winds and seas moved heavy cannons about 100 feet (30 m). About 4,500 people died on the island.[7]

In Saint Vincent, the hurricane destroyed 584 of the 600 houses in Kingstown. At Grenada, 19 Dutch ships were wrecked. On Saint Lucia, rough waves and a strong storm tide destroyed the fleet of British Admiral Rodney at Port Castries, with one ship destroying the city's hospital by being lifted on top of it. The hurricane destroyed all but two houses at Port Castries, and throughout the island about 6,000 perished.[2]

A fleet of 40 French ships involved in the American Revolutionary War capsized as a result of the hurricane off Martinique; about 4,000 soldiers drowned. The hurricane produced a 25-foot (7.6 m) storm surge on Martinique, destroying all houses in Saint-Pierre; 9,000 died on the island. Severe damage was reported on Dominica, Guadeloupe, Antigua, and Saint Kitts, though it is unknown if any died on those islands. Additionally, many ships were washed ashore on Saint Kitts. A powerful storm surge affected the island of Sint Eustatius, causing 4,000 to 5,000 fatalities.[2]

Heavy damage was reported in southern Puerto Rico, primarily in Cabo Rojo and Lajas. Severe damage also occurred in the eastern region of Santo Domingo. The hurricane later grounded 50 ships near Bermuda. Throughout its path, the hurricane killed over 20,000 people, possibly as high as 24,000, making it the deadliest hurricane in Atlantic hurricane history.[2][3]


Damn, I do not want to even imagine the damage such a monster storm would cause if it hit a densely populated area today!!!

O_O
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Quoting weatherh98:
At what point does a very late in the year storm become the next years first storm?

After December 31.
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Quoting BobWallace:


I can't imagine that any of us want the government to run everything. I've never heard even the most extreme left- or right-wing person suggest that happen.

But we clearly want the government (us) to control some things.

It's not business vs. government.

It's the most greedy vs. everyone else.

That's why we have guards at banks and locks on our doors. If the rest of us don't protect ourselves from the most greedy those greedy people will screw the rest of us over.

There is a legitimate argument of how much regulation is needed. Sometimes regulations get a bit too restrictive and need to be scaled back. Sometimes regulations are too loose and allow the rest of us to be harmed.

What would really help our country, IMHO, is if we would drop the "regulations are evil" type discussion and focus our concern on making regulations as least restrictive as possible while still being effective.

And to get to that point, we simply have to accept the fact that there is no way to write regulations so that they perfectly fit each person's needs. Like living in the same house with someone else, you don't always get your way. (If you live in a happy house.)


I believe what he ment was, chinas government wanted to be a world super power so they did it at ALL cost which is why it got polluted. The government controlling anything must be we must be cautious of. IMO
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Feel's good to get one's "Mojo" back one could say, maybe?

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On the ENSO topic again, one reason why an El Nino seems more likely this summer than last summer is because we have been getting MJO pulses across the central Pacific since February, something that didn't happen until a couple months later last year when the La Nina fell off.

MJO during February and March, 2011:



MJO during February and March (through the 16th), 2012:

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Quoting hydrus:
The factories were cranking back in those days.


We cleaned up and factories still cranked.

Switching to electric hearths, for example, both cleaned the air and cut the cost of processing steel.

Those American steel factories that switched did well and dinos like Bethlehem Steel who stuck with the old ways disappeared.

China didn't eat our lunch until decades after we cleaned up our manufacturing.
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Pellston, MI, reached 80 a short time ago. That beats the record for the date of 58 by 22 degrees, the same margin as the International Falls record of which Dr. Masters wrote. It's also ties yesterday for the warmest ever March day there. (The Pelliston forecast for Tuesday calls for a high of 82. The record high for that day is 55, so reaching that would mean breaking the record by a margin of 27 degrees.)

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Northern China to southern Thailand smog (the gray-brown and battleship gray) MODIS overlayed on google earth. This image is 2000 miles from top to bottom. 3-18-12

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Quoting Ameister12:
One of the most mysterious hurricanes of all time is The Great Hurricane of 1780. Since it occurred hundreds of years ago, so much is unknown about this hurricane. All people know about it, is that it was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane, killing over 20,000 people and it could had winds up to 200 mph. I'd love to know more about this hurricane.



Great Hurricane of 1780--This storm was one of several that year, which was one of the worst hurricane seasons in the era prior to record taking. Winds were estimated to be Category Four strength at 135 mph. This storm, which affected the Southern Windward Islands including Barbados, St. Vincent, Grenada, Martinique, St. Eustatius, and near Puerto Rico and Grand Turk Island, is believed to have killed approximately 22,000 people. Of that total, between 4,000 and 5,000 people were killed on St. Eustatius. Martinique had an estimated 9,000 people killed including 1,000 in St. Pierre, which had all of its homes destroyed.

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
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So you want the Gov to run everything? That's how China got that way. Think about it.


I can't imagine that any of us want the government to run everything. I've never heard even the most extreme left- or right-wing person suggest that happen.

But we clearly want the government (us) to control some things.

It's not business vs. government.

It's the most greedy vs. everyone else.

That's why we have guards at banks and locks on our doors. If the rest of us don't protect ourselves from the most greedy those greedy people will screw the rest of us over.

There is a legitimate argument of how much regulation is needed. Sometimes regulations get a bit too restrictive and need to be scaled back. Sometimes regulations are too loose and allow the rest of us to be harmed.

What would really help our country, IMHO, is if we would drop the "regulations are evil" type discussion and focus our concern on making regulations as least restrictive as possible while still being effective.

And to get to that point, we simply have to accept the fact that there is no way to write regulations so that they perfectly fit each person's needs. Like living in the same house with someone else, you don't always get your way. (If you live in a happy house.)
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