March 2 - 3 tornado outbreak: 10th largest in recorded history?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:06 PM GMT on March 12, 2012

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The deadly early-season tornado outbreak of March 2 - 3 that hit Indiana, Kentucky, and surrounding states, killing 41 people, may have been the 10th largest two-day tornado outbreak since record keeping began in 1950. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center now lists 132 preliminary tornado reports for March 2, and 11 for March 3. It typically takes several months to finish damage surveys and verify all the tornadoes that really occur in a big tornado outbreak. Sixty-one tornadoes have been confirmed so far, according to Wikipedia's tally of the outbreak. The two-day total of 143 tornadoes from March 2 - 3 is probably an over count of about 15%, based on historical levels of over counts. This would give the March 2 - 3 outbreak around 120 tornadoes, making it the tenth largest outbreak since record keeping began in 1950. Assuming this is true, the past two tornado seasons would hold four of the top ten spots for largest tornado outbreaks in recorded history. Below are the top two-day tornado outbreaks since 1950. Several of these two-day totals were taken from outbreaks that lasted three or more days; the highest two-day period of activity was selected for this list, so that the outbreak would not be mentioned multiple times. The numbers from the 2011 outbreaks are still preliminary:

262, Apr 26 - 27, 2011
169, Apr 3 - 4, 1974
160, May 29 - 30, 2004
141, May 24 - 25, 2011
135, Jan 21 - 22, 1999
130, Apr 15 - 16, 2011
125, May 4 - 5, 2003
123, Jun 15 - 16, 1992
121, May 4 - 5, 2007
120ish, Mar 2 - 3, 2012
120, May 3 - 4, 1999


Video 1. Spectacular tornado video taken at a home in West Liberty, Kentucky outfitted with seven automatic security cameras, which captured the fury of the strong EF-3 tornado with 165 mph winds that roared overhead on March 2, 2012. The views from all the cameras are worth watching, but don't watch past 7:00, as the end of the video has three minutes of blankness at the end. According to an article at wkyt.com, the home owners, Randy and Norma Risner, took shelter in the basement, and their home survived the tornado. "You could actually feel the ground shaking and our the 11-foot basement walls were shaking, too," Norma said. The tornado destroyed their workshop (caught on camera), and another camera shows the roof of their neighbors home peel off.


Video 2. Perhaps even more impressive is video taken at a nearby pharmacy showing the West Liberty tornado destroying buildings across the street. The view from Clinic Pharmacy starts at 0:50 into this video.

The uncertain business of counting tornadoes
While there's no question that having four top-ten tornado outbreaks in just two years is highly unusual, the quality of our tornado data base is poor, and there are probably outbreaks that occurred prior to 1990 that were significantly under-counted and would have made the top ten list, had they occurred today. The number of tornadoes being reported has increased in recent decades, and this increase may be due entirely to factors unrelated to climate change:

1) Population growth has resulted in more tornadoes being reported.

2) Advances in weather radar, particularly the deployment of about 100 Doppler radars across the U.S. in the mid-1990s, have resulted in a much higher tornado detection rate.

3) Tornado damage surveys have grown more sophisticated over the years. For example, we now commonly classify multiple tornadoes along a damage path that might have been attributed to just one twister in the past.


Figure 1. Number of EF-1, EF-2, EF-3, EF-4 and EF-5 tornadoes from 1950 to 2011. The total shown for 2011 is preliminary and uses unofficial numbers, but 2011 now ranks in 2nd place behind 1973. There is not a decades-long increasing trend in the numbers of tornadoes stronger than EF-0, implying that climate change, as yet, is not having a noticeable impact on U.S. tornadoes. Data provided by Harold Brooks, NOAA/National Severe Storms Laboratory.

If we look at changes in the strongest tornadoes--EF-1, EF-2, EF3, EF4, and EF-5 twisters, the ones most likely to have a reliable long-term detection rate, due to their destructive power--we see no sign of an increasing trend in recent decades (Figure 1), even if we include 2011. However, it is difficult to make solid conclusions on how tornadoes may be changing, since the quality of the historical tornado data set is so poor. This is largely due to the fact that we never directly measure a tornado's winds--a tornado has to run over a building before we can make an EF-scale strength estimate, based on the damage. As tornado researcher Chuck Doswell said in a 2007 paper, "I see no near-term solution to the problem of detecting detailed spatial and temporal trends in the occurrence of tornadoes by using the observed data in its current form or in any form likely to evolve in the near future." Major changes in the rating process occurred in the mid-1970s (when all tornadoes occurring prior to about 1975 were retrospectively rated),and again in 2001, when scientists began rating tornadoes lower because of engineering concerns and unintended consequences of National Weather Service policy changes. Also, beginning in 2007, NOAA switched from the F-scale to the EF-scale for rating tornado damage, causing additional problems with attempting to assess if tornadoes are changing over time.


Figure 2. Thomas Hudson and the Portlight trailer in Harrisburg, Illinois.

Portlight disaster relief charity responding to the tornado disaster
The Portlight disaster relief charity has made a strong showing in tornado-devastated Harrisburg, Illinois and Henryville, Indiana. Both towns were hit by deadly EF-4 tornadoes during the February 28 - March 3 tornado outbreak. From the Portlight blog:

"Yesterday we went to Henryville, Indiana and volunteered for a few hours, mainly unloading trailers with water, canned goods, etc.

The people were in great spirit, eager to rebuild, and overall thankful that it wasn't worse than it was.

Myself, Jeremiah Moran, Blaize Edwards, and Andrew Newcomb made the 2 hour drive from Washington, Indiana.

We will be trying to get back this weekend or a couple of days next week."

An interesting sciencedaily.com article discusses how the powerful EF-4 tornado from the February 29, 2012 outbreak that devastated Harrisburg, Illinois passed through a high-density network of seismographs. "The seismograms show a strong, low-frequency pulse beginning around 4:45 a.m. on Feb. 29. Our preliminary interpretation, based on other seismic records of tornadoes, suggests that we were recording not the tornado itself, but a large atmospheric pressure transient related to the large thunderstorms that spawned the tornadoes."

I'll have a new post by Wednesday.

Jeff Masters

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772. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Darwin Tropical Cyclone Warning Center
Tropical Cyclone Advice #13
TROPICAL LOW 17U
10:39 AM CST March 14 2012
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At 9:30 AM CST, Tropical Low (997 hPa) located at 14.4S 128.4E or 120 km west of Port Keats and 190 km east of Kalumburu has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The tropical low is reported as moving south southeast at 8 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.5/2.5/D0.5/24 HRS

The tropical low has moved into the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf. The low may develop into a tropical cyclone this morning before it crosses the coast between Wyndham and the NT/WA Border late morning or early this afternoon.

GALES with gusts to 100 kilometres per hour may develop between Dundee Beach and Kalumburu during today.

Tides will be HIGHER THAN NORMAL between Dundee Beach and Kalumburu, during today or tonight. Large waves may produce MINOR FLOODING of low-lying coastal areas.

HEAVY RAIN is expected to cause significant stream rises and possible flooding of low lying areas in the Darwin-Daly and northern Victoria River Districts and Kimberley.

The Territory Controller advises residents from Dundee Beach to the NT Border that now is the time to make final preparations to your home shelter or identify which public emergency shelter to use.

Residents from Dundee Beach to the NT Border are advised that if you DO NOT have accommodation constructed to the Building Code or are unsure of your present accommodation you should decide which public emergency shelter to use. You should now have your emergency kit complete and ready. DO NOT PROCEED TO PUBLIC EMERGENCY SHELTERS UNTIL ADVISED TO DO SO.

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
================================

A Cyclone WARNING continues for coastal and island communities from Kalumburu to Dundee Beach, including Wyndham.

Forecast and Intensity
======================

12 HRS: 15.8S 129.4E - 30 knots (Tropical Low)
24 HRS: 16.7S 130.5E - 30 knots (Tropical Low)
48 HRS: 18.4S 133.7E - 25 knots (Tropical Low)
72 HRS: 19.5S 136.1E - 25 knots (Tropical Low)

Additional Information
======================

The tropical low has been located using a combination of surface observations and persistence near the coast in the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf. The circulation appears to be tilted, with the mid-level center of rotation to the west of the low level circulation center, although the system is moving into an area of decreasing shear. A middle level ridge to the east and approaching middle level trough from the southwest will cause the system to move towards the south southeast but it is now close enough to the coast that the chance of it becoming a cyclone is diminishing.

A band of 30kt winds was evident to the north of the low in the 12:54UTC ASCAT pass. Dvorak analysis DT is undetermined, with MET=2.5. FT was held to 2.5. A central cold cover appears to have developed overnight, impending development.

The low is expected to slowly develop over the next six hours by which time it is likely to have crossed the coast and will weaken into a rain depression.

The next tropical cyclone advice from Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Darwin will be issued at 4:30 AM UTC..
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733 Chicklit "Romney walking around Alabama and Mississippi wearing blue jeans, saying y'all, saying he ate cheese grits and sausage..."

Cheese grits? Sounds like one of them thar carpetbaggin' Philadelphians or SouthJerseyites to me. Or have I been away for so long that Southern cuisine has sneaked out from under me?
The real question is, can he hear and understand (and pronounce) the difference between y'awl, y'all, and ya'll?
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770. emguy
Quoting Grothar:


That wasn't the movie to which I was referring.


If that wasn't the movie...maybe I have the answer...but first a question...Are they Magic Grits? ;)
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A small area on SW Kentucky has 4000 j/kg of CAPE...nice
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Santorum wins Alabama.
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Quoting TomTaylor:
This is not an eye. Not yet anyway.

Looks like one to me.
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Not all too familar with 10-minute sustained to 1-minute sustained. 40 knot 10-minute is what?
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Quoting KoritheMan:
Isn't the assigned intensity of 35 kt a 10 minute average? That would explain the faint definition of an eye.


No, JTWC had it at 35kts at the last update a few hours ago. the AUS meteorology bureau might have a different 10min wind speed though, they usually do.
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764. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Perth Tropical Cyclone Warning Center
Tropical Cyclone Advice #1
TROPICAL CYCLONE LUA, CATEGORY ONE (16U)
9:00 AM WST March 14 2012
===========================

At 8:00 AM WST, Tropical Cyclone Lua, Category One (993 hPa) located at 16.9S 112.7E or 610 km northwest of Karratha has 10 minute sustained winds of 40 knots with gusts of 55 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving north northwest at 11 knots.

Gale Force Winds
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40 NM from the center in the northeastern quadrant
70 NM from the center in the southeastern quadrant
70 NM from the center in the southwestern quadrant
70 NM from the center in the northwestern quadrant

Dvorak Intensity: T2.5/3.0/S0.0/24 HRS

Although Lua is currently moving north northwest, it is likely to take a more southeasterly track towards the east Pilbara coast and intensify during Thursday and Friday.

Gales are not expected in coastal areas during today or Thursday, however gales could develop during Friday well ahead of the cyclone crossing the coast.

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
=================================

A Cyclone WATCH has been declared for coastal areas from Mardie to Cape Leveque.

Forecast and Intensity
===============

12 HRS: 16.1S 112.5E - 45 knots (CAT 1)
24 HRS: 15.9S 112.8E - 60 knots (CAT 2)
48 HRS: 17.0S 116.0E - 70 knots (CAT 3)
72 HRS: 20.7S 120.3E - 60 knots (CAT 2)

Additional Information
=======================

Lua remains at category 1 intensity at 40 knots. Dvorak DT is around 2.5 with a PAT of 2.5, so FT=2.5 but CI held at 3.0.

It has been difficult to assign wrap on the last few IR images but applying Dvorak techniques to latest microwave images would suggest a wrap of around 0.6. ASCAT also indicates gales about the center.

Movement has been to the north northwest with the steering under the influence of an upper ridge to the southwest. A slow motion to the north is forecast through 12 to 18 hours then a faster southeasterly track is forecast for the following days towards the east Pilbara coast as the ridge weakens and the monsoon intensifies. There is general agreement across model guidance for this scenario, although speed of movement varies from the EC [slow] to GFS [fast] changing the coastal impact time by around 12 hours.

Steady intensification is forecast under the influence of low wind shear and warm sea surface temperatures. Numerical weather prediction models indicate a broad system which would indicate rapid intensification is less likely. A broad area of monsoonal gales is expected to develop north and east of the center by Thursday and continue on Friday.

The next tropical cyclone bulletin on Tropical Cyclone Lua from the Perth Tropical Cyclone Warning Center will be issued at 7:30 AM UTC..
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Isn't the assigned intensity of 35 kt a 10 minute average? That would explain the faint definition of an eye.
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New microwave image just came out...the system most definitely has an eye. The image cuts off about halfway through the center, but it has at least half an eyewall.
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This is not an eye. Not yet anyway.

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Quoting yqt1001:


Is that..do I dare call it..an eye?
It looks like one is forming there, but I wouldn't call it an eye based off that satellite image. Cloud tops are still -70C and it is definitely not cleared out.
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Excuse that post, a new MW image has just came out.



The image only caught half the eye, but the eye wall might be fully closed. (only midlevel eye though)
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Even though this is an hour old, this image shows the storm definitely has an eye.

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Looks like my further investigation was taken off by a new page.

MW shows that 5 hours ago there was half an eye, so i think it is possible for convection to fully wrap around the center in that time frame and for an eye to barely start clearing out.

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yes.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

I don't think so... It's only at 35 knots (though it's probably higher) Still probably too weak for an eye

I hate conflict! You probably know more than me about it though, so we'll call it an eye!
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Quoting yqt1001:


Is that..do I dare call it..an eye?


Anyway, good night. It looks like there's some wild weather out west.
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Quoting yqt1001:


Is that..do I dare call it..an eye?

I don't think so... It's only at 35 knots (though it's probably higher) Still probably too weak for an eye
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Quoting yqt1001:


Is that..do I dare call it..an eye?

Yes.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Romney kind of reminds me of Al Gore. So stiff and starched you want to send him on Survivor or maybe have his private jet crash so he gets stranded on an island and has to experience what it's like to struggle like the rest of us.
I don't get how these guys think they can represent the American people.



I wonder the same thing, your guess is as good as mine...
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I voted for Mitt! He can swim in my cee-ment pond anytime!

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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Lol... He's certainly not a Southerner. Santorum leads both states as of now but it's close.

Lua:


Is that..do I dare call it..an eye?

Actually it could be, this was 4 hours ago:



I think it is possible for convection to wrap around already and for an eye to start clearing out...
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Romney kind of reminds me of Al Gore. So stiff and starched you want to send him on Survivor or maybe have his private jet crash so he gets stranded on an island and has to experience what it's like to struggle like the rest of us. And then Santorum with his outlandish ideas about whether women should use birth control or not. We settled that argument a very long time ago.
I don't get how these guys think they can represent the American people.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


If you was like me, did you have days where anything your friends do is disagree with you? because that seemed to happen today...this one kid who is 2 months older, 30 pounds lighter, and 6 inches shorter LOVES to act like a big tough guy he ISNT. and when he sees that he isnt big, he keeps resisting that and takes it out on everybody else. i mean come on, he says he is more 'manly' then me at 13, and he doesnt even have armpit hair lol. xD


Since you brought this up...

Pretty much anyone who is older than you but smaller than you will always do this to you. In my case it is amplified :P; I am 1 foot taller, 70 pounds heavier and 11 months younger and he can drive. He does the same to me. It gets annoying after a while and only 9 more months (when i can drive myself) until this stupidity is over for me!
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Quoting SPLbeater:


If you was like me, did you have days where anything your friends do is disagree with you? because that seemed to happen today...this one kid who is 2 months older, 30 pounds lighter, and 6 inches shorter LOVES to act like a big tough guy he ISNT. and when he sees that he isnt big, he keeps resisting that and takes it out on everybody else. i mean come on, he says he is more 'manly' then me at 13, and he doesnt even have armpit hair lol. xD
oh you are a crack up
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Quoting JrWeathermanFL:
If ya'll dont know what greens or grits are then ya'll ain't from the south!



I know all about greens and grits, and I enjoy eating them.


I also own an old 4x4 Chevy pickup and and 3 firearms, and I could completely survive out in the wilderness without any help from civilization, does that qualify me as a true deep south man?
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If ya'll dont know what greens or grits are then ya'll ain't from the south!
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Lol... He's certainly not a Southerner. Santorum leads both states as of now but it's close.

Lua:



Santorum kinda scares me, hes like Bush version 2.0^(2)
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743. flsky
also read an article tonight where FEMA is going to use AmeriCorps volunteers to help with disasters. Supposed to save about $60M yearly. The vols will get paid with money for college and/or helping to pay back student loans for a year's commitment. A good idea, I think, and will help with FEMA's diminishing coffers.

Quoting Patrap:






Floodman did a excellent job at the upgrade of the Portlight Page,as well as blogger tornadodude, Mr. Hudson,and many others who are still sending in a group as of this Thursday morning to Indiana.

And of course partnering again with the Veteran Group Team Rubicon was paramount.

All these folks carried the portlight mission to the field that made a direct and continuing presence in the Hard hit Tornado areas.

..also,Presslord had a b-day last Saturday the 10th and he is the center of all this activity.

He listened to "cello's" last week I heard too.

But that's another fine story I'm sure he can expound on.

People helping people.

It works, and were all in this together.

A Heartfelt Thank you to the wunderground.com folks, The Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation,Team Rubicon and all our many donors and volnteers.





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Quoting SPLbeater:


Is there a good reason that there is a background conversation about me occuring at this time?
Yes, it's because of the ridiculous things you say.
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Quoting Chicklit:

Romney walking around Alabama and Mississippi wearing blue jeans, saying y'all, saying he ate cheese grits and sausage, and hob nobbing with Jeff Foxworthy is probably worth at least 10 percentage points in the polls but I will be surprised if he wins either state.

Lol... He's certainly not a Southerner. Santorum leads both states as of now but it's close.

Lua:
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Who says winter is over? 1-2 feet of snow on the way out west!

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
321 PM PDT TUE MAR 13 2012

...HEAVY SNOW WILL FALL IN THE MOUNTAINS OF WESTERN WASHINGTON
WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY...

.TWO VIGOROUS FRONTAL SYSTEMS WILL MOVE THROUGH WESTERN WASHINGTON
IN QUICK SUCCESSION WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY...BRINGING HEAVY SNOW
AND STRONG WINDS TO THE OLYMPICS AND NORTH AND CENTRAL WASHINGTON
CASCADES.

WAZ513-518-519-140530-
/O.UPG.KSEW.WS.A.0009.120314T1300Z-120316T0100Z/
/O.NEW.KSEW.WS.W.0014.120314T1300Z-120316T0100Z/
OLYMPICS-WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
WEST SLOPES CENTRAL CASCADES AND PASSES-
321 PM PDT TUE MAR 13 2012

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM WEDNESDAY TO 6 PM PDT
THURSDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SEATTLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM
WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM WEDNESDAY TO 6 PM
PDT THURSDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

* SOME AFFECTED LOCATIONS...HURRICANE RIDGE...MOUNT BAKER...
STEVENS PASS...SNOQUALMIE PASS...PARADISE...WHITE PASS.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL BE HEAVY AT TIMES WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
THE SNOW LEVEL WILL BE BELOW 1000 FEET AS THE FIRST STORM
ARRIVES WEDNESDAY MORNING...THEN GRADUALLY CLIMB TO AROUND 3000
FEET WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND 4000 TO 5000 FEET THURSDAY.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...LOCATIONS IN THE CASCADES ABOVE 4500 FEET
LIKE MOUNT BAKER AND PARADISE AT MOUNT RAINIER WILL GET THE
HEAVIEST SNOWFALL...WITH TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 3 FEET
POSSIBLE. SNOQUALMIE PASS AND STEVENS PASS WILL RECEIVE LESS
SNOW...PROBABLY 1 TO 2 FEET. HURRICANE RIDGE IN THE OLYMPICS
WILL LIKELY GET 16 TO 24 INCHES OF SNOW.

* MAIN IMPACT...HEAVY SNOW AND WINDY CONDITIONS WILL MAKE FOR
HAZARDOUS WINTER DRIVING CONDITIONS. DELAYS ARE LIKELY AND
ROAD CLOSURES ARE POSSIBLE FOR AVALANCHE CONTROL.

PEOPLE PLANNING TO TRAVEL IN THE MOUNTAINS WEDNESDAY THROUGH
THURSDAY SHOULD CHECK THE LATEST FORECASTS AND WARNINGS FROM THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...AND LISTEN TO THE LATEST HIGHWAY
CONDITIONS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN 18 INCHES OR MORE IS LIKELY
DURING A 24 HOUR PERIOD OR STRONG WINDS WITH SNOW ARE EXPECTED.

&&



La Nina still lingers.
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Quoting Chicklit:

Romney walking around Alabama and Mississippi wearing blue jeans, saying y'all, saying he ate cheese grits and sausage, and hob nobbing with Jeff Foxworthy is probably worth at least 10 percentage points in the polls but I will be surprised if he wins either state.



Hey, you can't blame Romney, he knows some literally won't vote for him unless he becomes "one with dixie" itself, lol.
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Pull it together people... This blog is all over the place tonight... I guess that's what happens when we run out of interesting weather!


I'm sorry, but I can't just not spark random conversation in the absence of interesting weather.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Oh brother..


I second this.
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Quoting flsky:
Has anyone seen Jupiter and Venus in the SW sky tonight. Would have looked like UFOs if you didn't know better. I think they're set to "set" at about 10:30 ET tonight so hurry out and take a look.

Yeah, very nice clear view here.
Due west from me.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


If you was like me, did you have days where anything your friends do is disagree with you? because that seemed to happen today...this one kid who is 2 months older, 30 pounds lighter, and 6 inches shorter LOVES to act like a big tough guy he ISNT. and when he sees that he isnt big, he keeps resisting that and takes it out on everybody else. i mean come on, he says he is more 'manly' then me at 13, and he doesnt even have armpit hair lol. xD



I remember the old youth days when I used to compare manliness amongst my pears based on someones armpit hair or facial hair. By the time you're my age you realize growth of hair earlier generally speaking is genetic, and has very little to do with strength and male ability, I was the body hairless kid in high school who got made fun of, until I got older and ended up much stronger than them. Plus by the time you're my age you are happy to lack in body hair, I don't grow back hair and I don't have to shave as often, I consider that a plus.


Furthermore by the time you're my age who is stronger or weaker really no longer matters much anyway, haha. From here it becomes who uses their head better :)

Not that I'm not dismissing physical ability, I'm a very athletic and physical health focused person, and am actually quite gifted athletically, but because I'm not good enough to ever be professional in any athletics I don't really care about who is stronger or who isn't any more. I pursue strength for health and ability to help others these days. Physical health also becomes much more important to mental health the older you get.


In fact scientists have proven that brain health can strongly be inhibited by poor diet and lack of exercise, so don't neglect the body :)
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Quoting flsky:
Has anyone seen Jupiter and Venus in the SW sky tonight. Would have looked like UFOs if you didn't know better. I think they're set to "set" at about 10:30 ET tonight so hurry out and take a look.

I made a post earlier about them... Both of them, especially Venus, are very bright.
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Quoting Grothar:


That wasn't the movie to which I was referring.

Romney walking around Alabama and Mississippi wearing blue jeans, saying y'all, saying he ate cheese grits and sausage, and hob nobbing with Jeff Foxworthy is probably worth at least 10 percentage points in the polls but I will be surprised if he wins either state.
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732. flsky
Has anyone seen Jupiter and Venus in the SW sky tonight. Would have looked like UFOs if you didn't know better. I think they're set to "set" at about 10:30 ET tonight so hurry out and take a look.
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Quoting Grothar:


I guess you are right. It is just that we didn't have any weather at all here today where we are.

LOL, Brilliant!
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Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Pull it together people... This blog is all over the place tonight... I guess that's what happens when we run out of interesting weather!


I guess you are right. It is just that we didn't have any weather at all here today where we are.
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Who says winter is over? 1-2 feet of snow on the way out west!

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
321 PM PDT TUE MAR 13 2012

...HEAVY SNOW WILL FALL IN THE MOUNTAINS OF WESTERN WASHINGTON
WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY...

.TWO VIGOROUS FRONTAL SYSTEMS WILL MOVE THROUGH WESTERN WASHINGTON
IN QUICK SUCCESSION WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY...BRINGING HEAVY SNOW
AND STRONG WINDS TO THE OLYMPICS AND NORTH AND CENTRAL WASHINGTON
CASCADES.

WAZ513-518-519-140530-
/O.UPG.KSEW.WS.A.0009.120314T1300Z-120316T0100Z/
/O.NEW.KSEW.WS.W.0014.120314T1300Z-120316T0100Z/
OLYMPICS-WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
WEST SLOPES CENTRAL CASCADES AND PASSES-
321 PM PDT TUE MAR 13 2012

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM WEDNESDAY TO 6 PM PDT
THURSDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SEATTLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM
WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM WEDNESDAY TO 6 PM
PDT THURSDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

* SOME AFFECTED LOCATIONS...HURRICANE RIDGE...MOUNT BAKER...
STEVENS PASS...SNOQUALMIE PASS...PARADISE...WHITE PASS.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL BE HEAVY AT TIMES WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
THE SNOW LEVEL WILL BE BELOW 1000 FEET AS THE FIRST STORM
ARRIVES WEDNESDAY MORNING...THEN GRADUALLY CLIMB TO AROUND 3000
FEET WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND 4000 TO 5000 FEET THURSDAY.

* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...LOCATIONS IN THE CASCADES ABOVE 4500 FEET
LIKE MOUNT BAKER AND PARADISE AT MOUNT RAINIER WILL GET THE
HEAVIEST SNOWFALL...WITH TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 3 FEET
POSSIBLE. SNOQUALMIE PASS AND STEVENS PASS WILL RECEIVE LESS
SNOW...PROBABLY 1 TO 2 FEET. HURRICANE RIDGE IN THE OLYMPICS
WILL LIKELY GET 16 TO 24 INCHES OF SNOW.

* MAIN IMPACT...HEAVY SNOW AND WINDY CONDITIONS WILL MAKE FOR
HAZARDOUS WINTER DRIVING CONDITIONS. DELAYS ARE LIKELY AND
ROAD CLOSURES ARE POSSIBLE FOR AVALANCHE CONTROL.

PEOPLE PLANNING TO TRAVEL IN THE MOUNTAINS WEDNESDAY THROUGH
THURSDAY SHOULD CHECK THE LATEST FORECASTS AND WARNINGS FROM THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...AND LISTEN TO THE LATEST HIGHWAY
CONDITIONS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN 18 INCHES OR MORE IS LIKELY
DURING A 24 HOUR PERIOD OR STRONG WINDS WITH SNOW ARE EXPECTED.

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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Here is a "True Grit"



That wasn't the movie to which I was referring.
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LinkLoop
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Quoting SPLbeater:


If you was like me, did you have days where anything your friends do is disagree with you? because that seemed to happen today...this one kid who is 2 months older, 30 pounds lighter, and 6 inches shorter LOVES to act like a big tough guy he ISNT. and when he sees that he isnt big, he keeps resisting that and takes it out on everybody else. i mean come on, he says he is more 'manly' then me at 13, and he doesnt even have armpit hair lol. xD

Oh brother..
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Quoting KoritheMan:


It should, but at the expense of hurricanes. In weather, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Someone will always complain about something. ;)
Quoting Grothar:


What's a grit?
Quoting SPLbeater:


Is there a good reason that there is a background conversation about me occuring at this time?

Pull it together people... This blog is all over the place tonight... I guess that's what happens when we run out of interesting weather!
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I think I'll go check a blog about lawn-mower carburetors, or something....

Have a great evening, all.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Contrary to what you might think, none of us here particularly dislike you. We don't align with your conservative viewpoints, but that's part of living in a free society.

I've said before that you are a good kid, but I'm not going to censor my opinions just because it might offend you. Again, that is part of living in a free society. You will experience things you neither like nor agree with. And I think that's perfectly acceptable.

I mentioned you because I felt it was a valid comparison. My former self was like you. In every way.


If you was like me, did you have days where anything your friends do is disagree with you? because that seemed to happen today...this one kid who is 2 months older, 30 pounds lighter, and 6 inches shorter LOVES to act like a big tough guy he ISNT. and when he sees that he isnt big, he keeps resisting that and takes it out on everybody else. i mean come on, he says he is more 'manly' then me at 13, and he doesnt even have armpit hair lol. xD
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Quoting pottery:

Evening Grothar, and everyone....

We have had 2 consecutive days of SUNSHINE !
Big change, that!
The fruit trees are confused and the grass is as high as an elephants eye and all is well.


Very warm and dry here. We didn't get the rain that Palm Beach did. Just a little. I don't remember a year like this at all. It seems every year gets warmer down here. Last summer was brutal.
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