March 2 - 3 tornado outbreak: 10th largest in recorded history?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:06 PM GMT on March 12, 2012

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The deadly early-season tornado outbreak of March 2 - 3 that hit Indiana, Kentucky, and surrounding states, killing 41 people, may have been the 10th largest two-day tornado outbreak since record keeping began in 1950. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center now lists 132 preliminary tornado reports for March 2, and 11 for March 3. It typically takes several months to finish damage surveys and verify all the tornadoes that really occur in a big tornado outbreak. Sixty-one tornadoes have been confirmed so far, according to Wikipedia's tally of the outbreak. The two-day total of 143 tornadoes from March 2 - 3 is probably an over count of about 15%, based on historical levels of over counts. This would give the March 2 - 3 outbreak around 120 tornadoes, making it the tenth largest outbreak since record keeping began in 1950. Assuming this is true, the past two tornado seasons would hold four of the top ten spots for largest tornado outbreaks in recorded history. Below are the top two-day tornado outbreaks since 1950. Several of these two-day totals were taken from outbreaks that lasted three or more days; the highest two-day period of activity was selected for this list, so that the outbreak would not be mentioned multiple times. The numbers from the 2011 outbreaks are still preliminary:

262, Apr 26 - 27, 2011
169, Apr 3 - 4, 1974
160, May 29 - 30, 2004
141, May 24 - 25, 2011
135, Jan 21 - 22, 1999
130, Apr 15 - 16, 2011
125, May 4 - 5, 2003
123, Jun 15 - 16, 1992
121, May 4 - 5, 2007
120ish, Mar 2 - 3, 2012
120, May 3 - 4, 1999


Video 1. Spectacular tornado video taken at a home in West Liberty, Kentucky outfitted with seven automatic security cameras, which captured the fury of the strong EF-3 tornado with 165 mph winds that roared overhead on March 2, 2012. The views from all the cameras are worth watching, but don't watch past 7:00, as the end of the video has three minutes of blankness at the end. According to an article at wkyt.com, the home owners, Randy and Norma Risner, took shelter in the basement, and their home survived the tornado. "You could actually feel the ground shaking and our the 11-foot basement walls were shaking, too," Norma said. The tornado destroyed their workshop (caught on camera), and another camera shows the roof of their neighbors home peel off.


Video 2. Perhaps even more impressive is video taken at a nearby pharmacy showing the West Liberty tornado destroying buildings across the street. The view from Clinic Pharmacy starts at 0:50 into this video.

The uncertain business of counting tornadoes
While there's no question that having four top-ten tornado outbreaks in just two years is highly unusual, the quality of our tornado data base is poor, and there are probably outbreaks that occurred prior to 1990 that were significantly under-counted and would have made the top ten list, had they occurred today. The number of tornadoes being reported has increased in recent decades, and this increase may be due entirely to factors unrelated to climate change:

1) Population growth has resulted in more tornadoes being reported.

2) Advances in weather radar, particularly the deployment of about 100 Doppler radars across the U.S. in the mid-1990s, have resulted in a much higher tornado detection rate.

3) Tornado damage surveys have grown more sophisticated over the years. For example, we now commonly classify multiple tornadoes along a damage path that might have been attributed to just one twister in the past.


Figure 1. Number of EF-1, EF-2, EF-3, EF-4 and EF-5 tornadoes from 1950 to 2011. The total shown for 2011 is preliminary and uses unofficial numbers, but 2011 now ranks in 2nd place behind 1973. There is not a decades-long increasing trend in the numbers of tornadoes stronger than EF-0, implying that climate change, as yet, is not having a noticeable impact on U.S. tornadoes. Data provided by Harold Brooks, NOAA/National Severe Storms Laboratory.

If we look at changes in the strongest tornadoes--EF-1, EF-2, EF3, EF4, and EF-5 twisters, the ones most likely to have a reliable long-term detection rate, due to their destructive power--we see no sign of an increasing trend in recent decades (Figure 1), even if we include 2011. However, it is difficult to make solid conclusions on how tornadoes may be changing, since the quality of the historical tornado data set is so poor. This is largely due to the fact that we never directly measure a tornado's winds--a tornado has to run over a building before we can make an EF-scale strength estimate, based on the damage. As tornado researcher Chuck Doswell said in a 2007 paper, "I see no near-term solution to the problem of detecting detailed spatial and temporal trends in the occurrence of tornadoes by using the observed data in its current form or in any form likely to evolve in the near future." Major changes in the rating process occurred in the mid-1970s (when all tornadoes occurring prior to about 1975 were retrospectively rated),and again in 2001, when scientists began rating tornadoes lower because of engineering concerns and unintended consequences of National Weather Service policy changes. Also, beginning in 2007, NOAA switched from the F-scale to the EF-scale for rating tornado damage, causing additional problems with attempting to assess if tornadoes are changing over time.


Figure 2. Thomas Hudson and the Portlight trailer in Harrisburg, Illinois.

Portlight disaster relief charity responding to the tornado disaster
The Portlight disaster relief charity has made a strong showing in tornado-devastated Harrisburg, Illinois and Henryville, Indiana. Both towns were hit by deadly EF-4 tornadoes during the February 28 - March 3 tornado outbreak. From the Portlight blog:

"Yesterday we went to Henryville, Indiana and volunteered for a few hours, mainly unloading trailers with water, canned goods, etc.

The people were in great spirit, eager to rebuild, and overall thankful that it wasn't worse than it was.

Myself, Jeremiah Moran, Blaize Edwards, and Andrew Newcomb made the 2 hour drive from Washington, Indiana.

We will be trying to get back this weekend or a couple of days next week."

An interesting sciencedaily.com article discusses how the powerful EF-4 tornado from the February 29, 2012 outbreak that devastated Harrisburg, Illinois passed through a high-density network of seismographs. "The seismograms show a strong, low-frequency pulse beginning around 4:45 a.m. on Feb. 29. Our preliminary interpretation, based on other seismic records of tornadoes, suggests that we were recording not the tornado itself, but a large atmospheric pressure transient related to the large thunderstorms that spawned the tornadoes."

I'll have a new post by Wednesday.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting Xyrus2000:


Yes they did. In several places in.

But why on Earth do people think the POTUS has any control over gas prices? They are driven by market conditions. The POTUS can influence foreign policy which might impact prices (i.e. stop threatening Iran). The POTUS can go before congress and request lower fuel taxes (at the expense of trying to maintain our infrastructure). But the POTUS is not a dictator. He can't simply say "Verily I sayeth gas prices be lower!" and they magically lower.

And even if he gets fuel taxes lowered at the federal level, he has no control at the state level. Sure he can pressure, persuade, etc. but he can't force states to lower their fuel taxes.

This is how the free market works. Political uncertainty, rumor, speculation, oligopolies, etc. all of it affects the price you pay at the pump. Congress (and to a lesser extent, the POTUS) can make and implement policies that influence the prices, but they cannot control them. The market does that.

Any candidate or member of congress claiming that they can magically lower gas prices is either a charlatan or an idiot.


You are absolutely correct but two things Obama could do to lower prices are release some of the strategic reserves (which are nearly full and would lower prices by as much as .25 a gallon) and force the CFTC to do their freakin' job and crack down on oil speculators which is said to be adding .58 per gallon to gas prices. Aside from those things, you're right and I've never been one to accuse the POTUS (regardless of who it is) of intentionally keeping gas prices high and/or having the ability to greatly affect them. Of course Moon Man Newt will have us at $2.50 because he'll be importing oil from his moon base free of charge. Yeah, and his wife Morgan Fairchild will be flying the oil shuttle. Yeah, that's the ticket. LOL.

Enjoying sunny,breezy 80 degree weather here in good old Fort Myers, FL. Hope everyone else's weather is tolerable as well!
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Quoting Floodman:
Neapolitan, you have mail!


Not sure if it's working...or I'm on the iggy list! LOL
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570. MTWX
Quoting MontanaZephyr:
Dillon MT
Mostly Cloudy
52 °F
Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 28%
Dew Point: 20 °F
Wind: 28 mph from the SSW
Wind Gust: 41 mph
Pressure: 29.43 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles

... High Wind Warning in effect until midnight MDT tonight...

The National Weather Service in Great Falls has issued a High
Wind Warning... which is in effect until midnight MDT tonight.

* Timing and main impact: strong and gusty winds will continue with
strongest winds expected from mid afternoon through early this
evening before winds diminish tonight. Strong cross winds will
make travel difficult for drivers of high profile vehicles.

* Winds: southwest 30 to 40 mph with gusts to 65 mph. Gusts to 75
mph possible.

Another normal day in Montana I see...
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Quoting Floodman:
Looking for some load testing on the new Portlight website; if you get a few minutes head over there and take a look. Suggestions are gratefully accepted though I willnot guarantee that they will be implemented. Let me know if you find any broken links or functionality issues and WUMail me what you find, your ideas but mostly, tell me what you think

Thanks, everyone




It looks really good. I clicked around but didn't find anything I could break.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
So, I went back and got radar data for the Joplin tornado (for like the 5 billionth time). It just amazes me how the atmosphere was able to produce an EF5 tornado on May 22, a day that wasn't really conducive for strong, long-lived tornadoes. I guess it goes to show you that it doesn't take a fully primed environment to produce a monster.



Left: Base Reflectivity
Right: Base Velocity


Take a look at the Jarrell tornado.
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Dillon MT
Mostly Cloudy
52 °F
Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 28%
Dew Point: 20 °F
Wind: 28 mph from the SSW
Wind Gust: 41 mph
Pressure: 29.43 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles

... High Wind Warning in effect until midnight MDT tonight...

The National Weather Service in Great Falls has issued a High
Wind Warning... which is in effect until midnight MDT tonight.

* Timing and main impact: strong and gusty winds will continue with
strongest winds expected from mid afternoon through early this
evening before winds diminish tonight. Strong cross winds will
make travel difficult for drivers of high profile vehicles.

* Winds: southwest 30 to 40 mph with gusts to 65 mph. Gusts to 75
mph possible.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



Woah really? I mean yes there is enough evidence to prove Obama is a U.S. citizen, but its not perfect. If someone questions that a little, does that really make that person equivalent to what you suggest?

Seriously man, let some air out of your big head before you pop it yourself. If anything you are the ignorant one because you don't question anything you hail to be the right answer. There are many different people with different views and opinions, that doesn't give them a low I.Q.

Furthermore, even if someone does have a low I.Q. they shouldn't be treated as inferior. Yet I see such a strong presence of an arrogant elitist attitude in this blog its horrendous. For those of you that possess it be careful because that person you think has such a low I.Q. might be far closer to the truth than you are.


I know, some might call this a rant, but I don't care, I do have some emotion and, I am not going to attempt to pretend I don't. I am quite sick of what I see.




I agree. Name calling and character assassination are not helpful.
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Quoting SPLbeater:
how in this big wide world do i get an email telling me that i have violated community standards here???

i betcha it was the political comments yesterday...yeah, most likely. any1 else ever gotten this?



never, but is was probably for your chatter about your day yesterday combined with the political stuff. If you stick to weather, you should be fine.

Actually i have a question for Dr. Masters on if in cases like this, they would highlight your infraction so you know exactly what you did.
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Quoting taistelutipu:
Re 520. The spike and then the sudden fall in petroleum prices in 2008 had nothing to do with the election of Barack Obama but was due to the onset of the global recession. In other words, it doesn't matter who is in office, a republican or a democrat president, it's the global economy which dictates the oil price. Civil war in oil-producing countries, like e.g. the Libyan crisis can also lead to spikes in the oil price.


American presidents can't do too much to effect the price of oil. Most oil is extracted outside the US and the price is largely a function of supply and demand.

Even though we now have 3x to 4x more producing oil wells in the US than when President Obama came to office that is not enough increase in the world's oil supply to drive down prices.

American presidents can do 'big things' that disrupt oil markets. They can start wars. It's especially effective to start a war in an oil producing country.

American presidents can do little things that determine pump prices a little bit, but are not permanent "big" fixes. They can cut demand like Nixon did when he put the 55MPH rule in play. But that wouldn't work so well in today's world. The gas we save will just be sold overseas, no US supply surplus will appear.

We can't drill our way out of high oil prices. The easy to get to, easy to refine oil is gone. And any new areas opened for drilling today won't bring oil to refineries for about ten years. Demand is growing rapidly around the world and there is no way to increase supply to match that demand and bring prices down over the long run. More and more people are competing for a dwindling supply.

The only real solution is to quit using oil for personal transportation.



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how in this big wide world do i get an email telling me that i have violated community standards here???

i betcha it was the political comments yesterday...yeah, most likely. any1 else ever gotten this?
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Quoting Neapolitan:
The current solar flare is--so far--at about M5 M7.9. It's the strongest since the M-Class flare on Saturday evening.


Looks like it peaked at an M8 now


IPS FLARE ALERT - PART B
ESTIMATED END TIME OF FLARE
ISSUE TIME: Wed Mar 14 05:04:24 EST 2012

Current X-ray Flux : 6.28e-05 (M6.3)
Maximum X-ray Flux of 7.97e-05 (M8.0) at 17:41 UT
Estimated Flare End (below M1.0 level) at 20:20 UT

Further Information Will Be Issued At the End of the Event

Australian Space Forecast Centre
IPS Radio and Space Services
(61)(2)9213 8010 (phone)
(61)(2)9213 8061 (fax)
asfc@ips.gov.au
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Quoting Xyrus2000:


Yes they did. In several places in.

But why on Earth do people think the POTUS has any control over gas prices? They are driven by market conditions. The POTUS can influence foreign policy which might impact prices (i.e. stop threatening Iran). The POTUS can go before congress and request lower fuel taxes (at the expense of trying to maintain our infrastructure). But the POTUS is not a dictator. He can't simply say "Verily I sayeth gas prices be lower!" and they magically lower.

And even if he gets fuel taxes lowered at the federal level, he has no control at the state level. Sure he can pressure, persuade, etc. but he can't force states to lower their fuel taxes.

This is how the free market works. Political uncertainty, rumor, speculation, oligopolies, etc. all of it affects the price you pay at the pump. Congress (and to a lesser extent, the POTUS) can make and implement policies that influence the prices, but they cannot control them. The market does that.

Any candidate or member of congress claiming that they can magically lower gas prices is either a charlatan or an idiot.




Why do people think POTUS can affect the price of gas? That's easy. For eight years while GWB was prez the Dems and the lame-stream media drilled it into the national psyche. They blamed Bush every time the price went up. I think it was John Kerry who implored Bush to go to Saudi Arabia to beseech the the Saudis to pump more and to help get the price down to $75 a barrel. You guys practice intellectual dis-honesty on a whole new scale.
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Quoting Floodman:


I am surviving; been busy with side projects and web work and helping out with the Tornado outbreak...how are you? Did the long not-so-cold winter treat you alright?


The winter treated me much better than the past summer. We had an extreme drought and winter gave us enough rains to bring us back to near normal. Mild and wet. Just what we needed!
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Quoting hydrus:
Hope you are doing good Flood.


I'm hanging in there, hydrus; the last year has been a rough one, but where there's life, there's hope. How about you? Things going well, I hope?
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See Brilliant Double Planets Venus and Jupiter Tonight

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpps/news/scitech/sp ace/see-brilliant-double-planets-venus-and-jupiter -tonight-dpgoha-20120313-fc_18500144

People in the Northern Hemisphere are in for a celestial treat this week.

Jupiter and Venus, the two brightest planets in the sky, will move close together for some breathtaking viewing starting Tuesday night. They will be close enough to block them out of few using a few fingers at arm's length, reported Space.com .

Scientific American said to look for Venus passing to the northwest (upper right) of Jupiter. Venus also will be shining nearly eight times brighter than Jupiter.

The duo shines bright over the western horizon for about four hours after sunset Thursday for people at mid-northern latitudes.

The so-called planetary conjunction happens about every 13 months. But this year's dance between Jupiter and Venus should be one of the best because the planets will be visible for so long, peaking this Thursday night.

The show is the result of a perfect combination of factors, according to Earthsky.org. For one, Venus has to be at or near its farthest angular distance from the setting sun. Also, the pathway of the planets, or ecliptic, must be at its steepest angle with the sunset horizon.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



Woah really? I mean yes there is enough evidence to prove Obama is a U.S. citizen, but its not perfect. If someone questions that a little, does that really make that person equivalent to what you suggest?

Seriously man, let some air out of your big head before you pop it yourself. If anything you are the ignorant one because you don't question anything you hail to be the right answer. There are many different people with different views and opinions, that doesn't give them a low I.Q.

Furthermore, even if someone does have a low I.Q. they shouldn't be treated as inferior. Yet I see such a strong presence of an arrogant elitist attitude in this blog its horrendous. For those of you that possess it be careful because that person you think has such a low I.Q. might be far closer to the truth than you are.


I know, some might call this a rant, but I don't care, I do have some emotion and, I am not going to attempt to pretend I don't. I am quite sick of what I see.




And I'm sick of ignorant people continuing to make stupid arguments.



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Quoting Guysgal:


The US has become a plutocracy ruled by oligarchs! However there is a strong undercurrent of fascism much like Germany in the 1920s which could easily get out of hand ! The refusal of both political parties to address Peak Oil and AGW is going to have dire ramifications for what's left of our fragile democracy! Palin and Santorum are manifestations of the anger, frustrations and unease about our futures IMO.


I agree with some of what you say, but it is not true that Democrats have refused to address peak oil and climate change. Clearly Democrats in Congress have attempted to pass legislation to deal with these problems but have been blocked by Republicans.

President Obama has done what he is able to due using administrative powers. He's raised the mileage requirements for vehicles (peak oil), he's pushed the military to find alternatives to fossil fuels (PO and climate change), he's pushed the EPA to force closure of the worst coal plants (CC), he's used stimulus money to assist electric cars and batteries (PO and CC) and openly campaigned for wind and solar (CC).

Many of us are frustrated by the limited amount of progress made, but can we please lay blame on those who are the problem?

We gain nothing by hammering on those who are working with us when they are doing as much as possible with the hand they have been dealt.

Want more progress? Return control of Congress to legislators who put facts before allegiance to the fossil fuel industries.
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Floodman, it is good to see you out and about. You do not usually appear so early in the season. A short hibernation period this year. ;-) How have you been doing?


I am surviving; been busy with side projects and web work and helping out with the Tornado outbreak...how are you? Did the long not-so-cold winter treat you alright?
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Quoting Floodman:


You are correct; the study linking increased CO2 levels with reduced pore size in plants was conducted in the 50s and several others have been performed since with the same results. While some species aren't effected, the majority respond to higher levels by reducing their ability to take it in. Apparently this is a way to maintain fairly consistent levels of intake...


Floodman, it is good to see you out and about. You do not usually appear so early in the season. A short hibernation period this year. ;-) How have you been doing?
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
An early look at next week...


Hadn't checked the SPC yet today and for a moment thought that was the official SPC day 4-8! I see it is not. SPC rarely, if ever, delineates risk areas beyond Day 6. If they ever do/did, it would be highly significant. You're a smart weather blogger and enthusiastic about weather. Been following your comments here, and I understand you can see potential risk developing and appreciate your giving everyone an early heads up. Just knowing where the dryline likes to set up, I might expand that first day of risk west some.

Also understand you spent some time making that map. I have a simple request. How about putting an "unofficial" disclaimer in your comment when your prognostication imitates an official SPC product the way that one does?
:)

We'll see before long how the risk develops. Just for the record, the official day 4-8 SPC map for today is blank and says "PREDICTABILITY TOO LOW, with the text:

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0325 AM CDT TUE MAR 13 2012

VALID 161200Z - 211200Z

...DISCUSSION...

LATEST GFS AND ECMWF BOTH AGREE THAT A WRN U.S. TROUGH WILL EVOLVE
THIS WEEKEND IN RESPONSE TO A FAIRLY STRONG BLOCKING HIGH THAT WILL
DEVELOP OVER THE ERN U.S. HOWEVER...THERE IS CONSIDERABLE
DISAGREEMENT REGARDING THE EWD MOVEMENT OF STRONGER MID-HIGH LEVEL
FLOW INTO THE PLAINS WHERE STRONGER SHEAR WOULD NOT ONLY SUPPORT BUT
ENHANCE THE PROSPECT FOR SEVERE STORMS GIVEN THE EXPECTED
MOISTURE/INSTABILITY. THE ECMWF IS CONSIDERABLY SLOWER WITH HEIGHT
FALLS ACROSS THE ROCKIES AND THUS STRONGER FLOW IS EXPECTED TO
ADVANCE NO FARTHER THAN WY/CO/NM BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. FOR THIS
REASON WILL NOT INTRODUCE A SEVERE RISK UNTIL TIMING IS RESOLVED
WITHIN THE MODEL GUIDANCE
.

..DARROW.. 03/13/2012

This is not them being conservative, and the wording more than hints a risk area will appear in the day 4-8. Just the way the SPC does things. Those of us in the Plains, especially, would do well to pay close attention.
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Quoting Minnemike:
there was another post about this yesterday, or the day before, or last week.. loosing the days too quickly... but it does not appear to be unprecedented, being a vortex/tornado-like feature previously observed multiple times.
i don't know the blogger who posted the sourcing, but seems legit and not novelty.
From Solarham the day that was spotted:

"Updated 3/11/2012 @ 23:30 UTC

Filament and Prominence Liftoff

Today we have a very tightly compacted solar filament tube off the southeast limb. Filaments are large regions that contain very dense, cool gas, held in place by the Sun's magnetic field in the Photosphere Region. These Solar Filaments can sometimes last for several days or months. Filaments and Solar Prominences are the same type of event. This type of event is considered a prominence when it is located off the limb of the Sun and appears bright against the darkness of space. It is called a filament when the cooler gas inside makes it appear darker against the background of the Sun."
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Quoting StormTracker2K:


That is impressive that they have an area outlined 7 to 8 days out. I agree looks bad next week.




that is not real..... dont you feel smart :O


The system doesnt look that bad:



and the next system(maybe):




looks completely boring . .
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
An early look at next week...




That is impressive that they have an area outlined 7 to 8 days out. I agree looks bad next week.
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525 KeysieLife "Uh oh, is that a blob? :p "
528 aspectre "I think I see a pinhole... Fruitfly on my screen, sorry. "
530 TropicalAnalystwx13 "There is a quote button, you know?" :P "

Don't like it. I tend to respond to specific sentences&phrases within any given comment:
Reposting the entirety of a comment forces folks to reread a lot more than necessary to find the points that I'm addressing.
It's usually easier to copy&paste&edit&HTML than to delete the unaddressed portions of a blockquote.
The Quote button doesn't repost the comment number. I like to post the comment number so that folks can easily scroll back to find the entirety of the original comment, and to allow them to check the context-accuracy of my reposting.
Even for reposting short comments, the Quote button produces a blockquote that eats at least 5 more lines of vertical screen space than using cut&paste&edit&HTML

Besides... I believe that the Quote function in&of itself does more harm than good. Be silly of me to use something that I'd prefer to have eliminated.
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The current solar flare is--so far--at about M5 M7.9. It's the strongest since the M-Class flare on Saturday evening.
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Quoting Patrap:
A Coronal Hole usually takes on a Triangle Look due to the Magnetic field and the Sun being a Large Orb.

Coronal Holes

This, on the other Hand..is a anomaly.

Filament eruption with a unknown "Sphere".







Close up of the Filament releasing..



there was another post about this yesterday, or the day before, or last week.. loosing the days too quickly... but it does not appear to be unprecedented, being a vortex/tornado-like feature previously observed multiple times.
i don't know the blogger who posted the sourcing, but seems legit and not novelty.
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Quoting ILwthrfan:


I can't resist....:)



Man that made my day!
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Quoting BobWallace:


His birth certificate is "dubious"?

The Governor of Hawaii has stated that President was born in Hawaii, without question.

His birth announcement was in the Honolulu paper.

I'm simply amazed that people who attempt to learn by spending time on this site would fall for that sort of low-digit IQ junk. Isn't there another site for the intentionally ignorant?




Woah really? I mean yes there is enough evidence to prove Obama is a U.S. citizen, but its not perfect. If someone questions that a little, does that really make that person equivalent to what you suggest?

Seriously man, let some air out of your big head before you pop it yourself. If anything you are the ignorant one because you don't question anything you hail to be the right answer. There are many different people with different views and opinions, that doesn't give them a low I.Q.

Furthermore, even if someone does have a low I.Q. they shouldn't be treated as inferior. Yet I see such a strong presence of an arrogant elitist attitude in this blog its horrendous. For those of you that possess it be careful because that person you think has such a low I.Q. might be far closer to the truth than you are.


I know, some might call this a rant, but I don't care, I do have some emotion and, I am not going to attempt to pretend I don't. I am quite sick of what I see.


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Space Weather Message Code: ALTXMF
Serial Number: 169
Issue Time: 2012 Mar 13 1727 UTC

ALERT: X-Ray Flux exceeded M5
Threshold Reached: 2012 Mar 13 1726 UTC
NOAA Scale: R2 - Moderate

NOAA Space Weather Scale descriptions can be found at
www.swpc.noaa.gov/NOAAscales

Potential Impacts: Area of impact centered on sub-solar point on the sunlit side of Earth. Extent of blackout of HF (high frequency) radio communication dependent upon current X-ray Flux intensity. For real-time information on affected area and expected duration please see http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/index.html.
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A Coronal Hole usually takes on a Triangle Look due to the Magnetic field and the Sun being a Large Orb.

Coronal Holes

This, on the other Hand..is a anomaly.

Filament eruption with a unknown "Sphere".







Close up of the Filament releasing..



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Quoting RitaEvac:


It's almost alien looking


Definitely worth a book - which could be a best seller. Big triangle on the sun? Has to be a symbol of something sinister.
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Wow! Those are some very cold cloud tops on 96P!
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Global warming talk, eh? Guess it's time for me to join SPLbeater and check out for a bit :D

I'll be around.
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An early look at next week...


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Quoting taistelutipu:
Re 520. The spike and then the sudden fall in petroleum prices in 2008 had nothing to do with the election of Barack Obama but was due to the onset of the global recession. In other words, it doesn't matter who is in office, a republican or a democrat president, it's the global economy which dictates the oil price. Civil war in oil-producing countries, like e.g. the Libyan crisis can also lead to spikes in the oil price.


Mostly, but if a president tries to set off a conflict in an oil producing country, then it's a pretty direct impact on oil prices. Current price increases are for a few reasons, but the current political disquiet over Iran is part of that formula. Politics and economics are bound in some ways and not just in financial policy - the global economy doesn't function in a vacuum (well, most of the time...)

As for the claim that the current administration is jacking up oil prices highlighted above, that's nothing. If you want real mud slinging, look at the French election. They don't hold back.

Anyway, from earlier: Nice little graphic illustrating drought problems in SE England.

Not worried, though. The eyes of the world will be here for the Olympics. Which of course means it'll be throwing it down in buckets all throughout that time. Problem solved!
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Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I have not read through the rest of the posts to see if this has been answered yet, TampaSpin, but this is what I understand. Plants take in CO2, but are only able to absorb so much of it. Imagine that you have a 22 oz. steak on your plate and that you love steak. Cooked to perfection, as well! You will eat all of it you can, but the rest is left uneaten. I have also read a study that as CO2 levels increase that the pores in the leaves will reduce in size. A gag reflex? .. Well, I am certain that others will know more, but this is my understanding.


You are correct; the study linking increased CO2 levels with reduced pore size in plants was conducted in the 50s and several others have been performed since with the same results. While some species aren't effected, the majority respond to higher levels by reducing their ability to take it in. Apparently this is a way to maintain fairly consistent levels of intake...
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Good morning, everyone, by the way!
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Neapolitan, you have mail!
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Sherwood Rowland, ozone defender passes at 84


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528 aspectre "I think I see a pinhole... Fruitfly on my screen, sorry. "

There is a quote button, you know? :P
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Quoting TampaSpin:
Question......If the CO2 gases are so much more today than was even 20years ago, why isn't the planet as a whole greener with plant life. Do green plants not absorb CO2 gases as their means of survival. Just something to ponder!


I have not read through the rest of the posts to see if this has been answered yet, TampaSpin, but this is what I understand. Plants take in CO2, but are only able to absorb so much of it. Imagine that you have a 22 oz. steak on your plate and that you love steak. Cooked to perfection, as well! You will eat all of it you can, but the rest is left uneaten. I have also read a study that as CO2 levels increase that the pores in the leaves will reduce in size. A gag reflex? .. Well, I am certain that others will know more, but this is my understanding.
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525 KeysieLife "Uh oh, is that a blob? :p "

I think I see a pinhole... fruitfly on my screen, sorry.
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@taiste So true. Especially if you look at what happened right after Obama came into office. The prices started going up again, albeit slowly. If prices fell because he was elected, why would the raise again after he's president? Because he has no control over it.
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Re 520. The spike and then the sudden fall in petroleum prices in 2008 had nothing to do with the election of Barack Obama but was due to the onset of the global recession. In other words, it doesn't matter who is in office, a republican or a democrat president, it's the global economy which dictates the oil price. Civil war in oil-producing countries, like e.g. the Libyan crisis can also lead to spikes in the oil price.
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Uh oh, is that a blob? :p

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Quoting Neapolitan:
Take it with a grain of salt, but Margusity is calling for a high chance of severe weather over a large part of the Great Plains next week, along with snow as far south as Southern California, and continued warmth in the East.

You know, for once, he may actually be right!

Shocker..
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*Worried face*

Still looking at a lot of Severe Weather next week. Very significant cutoff low/trough crossing the Rockies by next Monday.

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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Yes they did:


I remember it well, summer 2008 was highest gas had ever been
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