Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting greentortuloni:


Hey, if it helps: just quit for one day. Get mad, prove you can do jsut that much. Then, a week or so later, quit for one day again. Then at some point string two days in a row. Then three...

That's how I did it. Not saying it was easy. But after I had gone 5 days in a row i was so scared of smoking again that it stuck.
Lol I will try but my wife usually will go buy me some just so I will quit picking on everyone it my last bad habit:(
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Quoting Texasdrifter:
Bob and Rookie I agree those are things that we should all do. But I honestly don't see enough progress coming in those areas to offset the population growth and industrialization in China, India,and Brazil much less all the 3rd world countries. Hopefully I'm wrong an we show the world a new cleaner way to live and grow. But with this country split down the middle on most issues and everyone having to choose between two parties that only care about holding on to power. If everyone would discuss issues an look for solutions without demonizing all who disagree. But both sides of almost every issue refuse to admit mistakes for fear the other side will take advantage.


China, India and Brazil are actually doing quite a bit get renewable energy on their grids.

The leaders of China have promised that they won't let their per capita CO2 get anywhere as bad as the US. They seem to fully understand global climate change and how it will hurt their country if allowed to continue.

India is a bit slower getting started, but beginning to install a lot of wind and solar.

Brazil is installing a lot of wind generation and making a lot of their liquid fuel from sugar cane, thus avoiding a lot of oil usage.

I don't think any other countries are as divided over climate change as is the US. When I travel and talk to people from other countries they simply can't believe how we've got a major political party fighting against making the changes needed. (Canada surprisingly has somewhat the same problem.)

Public opinion seems to be changing. There seems to be not as much denial about rising temperatures but there's still a reluctance to accept the causes. Some people just don't want to look at the facts. It's just simple physics.

The only thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic about the US is the fact that many conservatives are now realizing that wind-electricity is cheap and having wind farms in your state creates jobs and brings in taxes for the state and local government. It also gives a nice income stream to land owners who lease out some land for turbines.

The same thing will soon start happening with solar. The price of solar is dropping incredibly fast and lots of people are starting to get jobs installing solar systems. Those jobs will bring a lot of folks on the right around.

I suspect we're less than five years from affordable EVs with enough range to work for almost everyone. When we can buy an EV for only a few thousand more than a gasmobile and save a bunch of money by not buying gas then people will switch away from oil. Everyone who has test driven an EV loves the way they perform. People who own them love the convenience of plugging in rather than going to a service station. When prices and range get good enough folks will rapidly switch.

Hopefully we'll soon be past the point where renewables and EVs need subsidies. When that happens a lot of the political problems go away. Right now the wind industry says that it needs three (or four, I forget) more years of subsidies and then they will be fine without any governmental help. Solar should be there by 2020 if not a bit sooner. EVs, I suspect prices will be good in five years or less.

We're making progress on efficiency. Businesses are very serious about efficiency because that saves them money, makes them more competitive and more profitable. The new light bulb requirements will cut our residential use of electricity by 6% or 7%, which is an enormous savings. New TVs, refrigerators, etc. are much more efficient.

We've got the technology. We just need to put ourselves to work getting it installed. If we do so we'll create a lot of jobs, help get our economy strengthened, and save ourselves money.





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Quoting Texasdrifter:

I agree I would like to see more discussion about it from my side of the culture war. Hearing Rick Santorium say the stuff he says about global warming; makes me cringe. I just hope he is a minority in that thought. I'm still trying to quit smoking lol so that not very easy for me either.


Hey, if it helps: just quit for one day. Get mad, prove you can do jsut that much. Then, a week or so later, quit for one day again. Then at some point string two days in a row. Then three...

That's how I did it. Not saying it was easy. But after I had gone 5 days in a row i was so scared of smoking again that it stuck.
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Will Ferrell reigns as Bacchus XLIV for the Krewe of Bacchus parade on Napoleon Ave. in New Orleans, Louisiana, Sunday, February 19, 2012.

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http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mimic-tpw/g lobal2/main.html

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Quoting bappit:

If we could get past the denial, maybe we could figure out what we should do. I'm sure you don't want a few individuals dictating the approach to take. I know I don't. I do think the real problem is more onerous than some want to admit, but why not be honest/realistic about things? It is not as easy as giving up cigarettes--and you may be aware of how difficult that is.

I agree I would like to see more discussion about it from my side of the culture war. Hearing Rick Santorium say the stuff he says about global warming; makes me cringe. I just hope he is a minority in that thought. I'm still trying to quit smoking lol so that not very easy for me either.
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I have a serious satellite imagery crush on the SSMI/AMSRE-derived Total Precipitable Water products.

Edit: But it won't display!

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mimic-tpw/g lobal2/main.html

I am deeply touched by the atmospheric rivers carrying heat poleward from the tropics--that's what all that precipitable water represents.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I have a question...

Has anybody here ever tried "The Magic" or "The Dare"?

They're referred to as the two scariest books ever written. The Magic is only two pages long, but it's supposed to make you scream out in terror...most people do not finish it.


Do not read "Fade".

It's a rather odd horror novel.
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Bob and Rookie I agree those are things that we should all do. But I honestly don't see enough progress coming in those areas to offset the population growth and industrialization in China, India,and Brazil much less all the 3rd world countries. Hopefully I'm wrong an we show the world a new cleaner way to live and grow. But with this country split down the middle on most issues and everyone having to choose between two parties that only care about holding on to power. If everyone would discuss issues an look for solutions without demonizing all who disagree. But both sides of almost every issue refuse to admit mistakes for fear the other side will take advantage.
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C4.1 Flare and Prominence (Early Monday) - SDO




Updated 2/20/2012 @ 05:10 UTC

Solar Update / New Sunspot 1422

Solar activity increased with C-Class flare activity being detected, including a C4.1 s/f around Sunspot 1421 in the northeast quadrant. New Sunspot 1422 which is also located in the northern hemisphere, continues to expand, and there is now a small chance for an M-Class event.


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Quoting Texasdrifter:
I think most people do believe in global warming. (even people who watch fox like myself)
The main issue I have with people who are so concerned with it is they never actually say how to fix the problem. With the growth both in population an industry in Asia an South America. We would have to reduce the world population drastically to go with the normal ideas on stopping human caused global warming to reverse the trend. I don't think energy companies care what happens to our environment they care about money. Also most humans are not going to agree to make the changes needed to solve the issue. So short of a nuclear winter or every human ( or aleast the poor ones) living like the Amish how can we solve the problem?

If we could get past the denial, maybe we could figure out what we should do. I'm sure you don't want a few individuals dictating the approach to take. I know I don't. I do think the real problem is more onerous than some want to admit, but why not be honest/realistic about things? It is not as easy as giving up cigarettes--and you may be aware of how difficult that is.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:



I bust my ass to make 40k a year. I'm hardly in the upper class. What you don't understand, in my opinon, is that when you make otherwise able-bodied people dependent on the government, you sap their will-power to better themselves and they will never be upwardly mobile. Making people too comfortable in their poverty assures that they will stay there for rest of their lives. In a trickle-down economy, what trickles down isn't always money. It's opportunity. The opportunity to better ones position. That is what the "American Dream" is, the chance, thru hard work to better oneselves lot in life. Free markets offer the best chance for the the most people to lift themselves up. I've never taken a food-stap in my life. I've worked as a self-employeed musician all of my adult life playing keys in reggae bands, rock bands and funk bands.

You might want to read Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It.

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Quoting Texasdrifter:
I think most people do believe in global warming. (even people who watch fox like myself)
The main issue I have with people who are so concerned with it is they never actually say how to fix the problem. With the growth both in population an industry in Asia an South America. We would have to reduce the world population drastically to go with the normal ideas on stopping human caused global warming to reverse the trend. I don't think energy companies care what happens to our environment they care about money. Also most humans are not going to agree to make the changes needed to solve the issue. So short of a nuclear winter or every human ( or aleast the poor ones) living like the Amish how can we solve the problem?


Three things you can do now:

1. Consume less

2. Conserve what you consume

3. Recycle what you discard

These are very easy to do and saves you money. Recycling can even bring you in some money.
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Quoting Texasdrifter:
I think most people do believe in global warming. (even people who watch fox like myself)
The main issue I have with people who are so concerned with it is they never actually say how to fix the problem. With the growth both in population an industry in Asia an South America. We would have to reduce the world population drastically to go with the normal ideas on stopping human caused global warming to reverse the trend. I don't think energy companies care what happens to our environment they care about money. Also most humans are not going to agree to make the changes needed to solve the issue. So short of a nuclear winter or every human ( or aleast the poor ones) living like the Amish how can we solve the problem?
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The answer is actually quite simple.

1) We install a lot of wind, solar and geothermal generation and work hard on efficiency in order to close coal plants quickly.

We put up with natural gas generation for a while. It's a great "in fill" for renewables which are not "always on".

2) We start switching our driving to electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs).

Roughly 50% of all US driving is done with cars five years old or newer. We could cut our oil-CO2 quickly.

And we improve our public transportation, especially build high speed rail to replace moderate distance air travel.

3) We then work to get natural gas replaced with more renewable energy and storage.

4) We help people who depend on wood and animal waste fuels for cooking to move to more efficient cookers which use less fuel. Also get them solar cookers.

We need to change some of our agricultural and industrial practices, but the big need is to quit using coal and oil.

There's no need for us to lower our standard of living. We simply need to change the source of our energy from fossil fuels to renewables.

If we got our electricity from wind, solar, geothermal and hydro it would cost us less than what we are now using. (There's a lot of hidden health and environmental costs for burning coal.)

If we drove EVs and PHEVs we'd cut our "cost of fuel" to roughly $1 per gallon.
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Interesting snow here. Just starting when I left for work ~ 25 SSE. Less as the crow flies. Snowed steadily entire shift and I had an honest 5-7" on my car. Somewhat worried when set out for home as have never driven this particular auto in the snow and tires and brakes could use attention. The further North I drove the less snow. Blacktop surfaces bare, perhaps 1" on trees and ground in Bridgewater, VA, folks slipping and sliding in Staunton.
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I have a question...

Has anybody here ever tried "The Magic" or "The Dare"?

They're referred to as the two scariest books ever written. The Magic is only two pages long, but it's supposed to make you scream out in terror...most people do not finish it.
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Quoting KoritheMan:


Illustrating logical fallacies tonight, eh bro? :)
yeah its a little easier than writing them out lol
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this was a game I just played online on pogo dot com chess.

My opponent defeated me in two games prior, but this time I get the better end of things.

For some reason, I have some "duh" moments where I miss what should be obvious moves.

I don't think this is a very high level game, but it was interesting.

Move History:
RTSplayer2358 rieck8
1 Pe2-e4 Pe7-e5
2 g1-f3 Pd7-d6
3 Pc2-c3 Bc8-g4
4 Ph2-h3 Bg4xf3
5 Qd1xf3 g8-f6
6 Pg2-g4 Pg7-g5
7 Ph3-h4 Bf8-h6
8 Pb2-b3 Qd8-d7
9 Bf1-h3 b8-c6
10 Qf3xf6 Bh6-f8
11 Qf6xh8 Pd6-d5
12 Pd2-d3 Pf7-f6
13 Qh8xf6 Pd5xe4
14 Pd3xe4 Qd7-d3
15 Qf6-e6+ Bf8-e7
16 Bc1xg5 Qd3xe4+
17 Bg5-e3 Qe4xh1+
18 Ke1-e2 Qh1xh3
19 Qe6-g8+ Be7-f8
20 b1-d2 Qh3xh4
21 d2-f3 Qh4-e7
22 Ra1-h1 Ko-o-o
23 Be3-g5 Bf8-g7
24 Qg8xh7 c6-d4+
25 Pc3xd4 Pe5xd4+
26 Bg5xe7 Pd4-d3+
27 Ke2-d2 Rd8-h8
28 Qh7-f5+ Kc8-b8
29 Rh1xh8+


Keep in mind, this is speed chess with a 15 minute game timer.
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I think most people do believe in global warming. (even people who watch fox like myself)
The main issue I have with people who are so concerned with it is they never actually say how to fix the problem. With the growth both in population an industry in Asia an South America. We would have to reduce the world population drastically to go with the normal ideas on stopping human caused global warming to reverse the trend. I don't think energy companies care what happens to our environment they care about money. Also most humans are not going to agree to make the changes needed to solve the issue. So short of a nuclear winter or every human ( or aleast the poor ones) living like the Amish how can we solve the problem?
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Quoting TomTaylor:
correlation =/= causation


Illustrating logical fallacies tonight, eh bro? :)
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Quoting SPLbeater:
ok if u wanna see the pics go to my blog then my photos, i got to go to bed. be back tomorrow morning:)

see ya!


ok...yeah thats about .08 of snow though
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Quoting SPLbeater:
ok if u wanna see the pics go to my blog then my photos, i got to go to bed. be back tomorrow morning:)

see ya!

lol at your dog.
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ok if u wanna see the pics go to my blog then my photos, i got to go to bed. be back tomorrow morning:)

see ya!
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Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

Total snow accumulation in San Juan, PR: 0.00 inches
The models nailed it, yet again! How do they do it?


Whichever had it right you should "hug" for the next snow event....
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10-12 here in Lewisburg, wv.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Show pictures..


go look:D
Quoting uncwhurricane85:


no i have an uncle that lives northwest off hwy 42 and he there is nothing on the ground..it just stuck on the hood of the cars...sooooo....


i never said it stuck to the ground. it stuck to the cars, the deck, the pinestraw, treelimbs and such. ACCUMULATION
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Quoting SPLbeater:


you arent here, how can you argue? it was snowing when the radar said rain. and we have a quarter inch accumulation of SNOW, not rain.

get it straight!


Pics or it didn't happen.
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Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

Total snow accumulation in San Juan, PR: 0.00 inches
The models nailed it, yet again! How do they do it?

Magic......
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Show pictures..


no i have an uncle that lives northwest off hwy 42 and he there is nothing on the ground..it just stuck on the hood of the cars...sooooo....
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Take pictures and post them here.

Total snow accumulation in San Juan, PR: 0.00 inches
The models nailed it, yet again! How do they do it?
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1297. Patrap
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Quoting SPLbeater:


you arent here, how can you argue? it was snowing when the radar said rain. and we have a quarter inch accumulation of SNOW, not rain.

get it straight!

Show pictures..
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Quoting SPLbeater:
looks like another bit of snow gonna come through...im ima go look at the accumulation on deck so far

Take pictures and post them here.
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


you might have gotten .25 inches of liquid...but not snow..just saying


you arent here, how can you argue? it was snowing when the radar said rain. and we have a quarter inch accumulation of SNOW, not rain.

get it straight!
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
winter is done
temps on the rebound to spring starts in two weeks our area in southern ontario predicts no snow for the next two weeks
after that its only another week of winter anyway
we have got no major snow storm this winter
normally gets 160 to 175 cm's of snow for a season this season i dont think we have got 20 cm for my area
spring comes fast summer comes even faster


Today was the 8th anniversary of White Juan. It was a record-breaking blizzard through most of Nova Scotia, including here in Yarmouth. Shut down everything for several days. Reminded me of my childhood.

In the 8 years since we haven't seen anything remotely close. Today there's hardly a speck of snow anywhere, and that's been the story of our "winter". It's positively eerie.
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looks like another bit of snow gonna come through...im ima go look at the accumulation on deck so far
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Quoting SPLbeater:


I GOT 0.25 INCHES OF SNOW, I DONT CARE WHAT THE COMPUTER SAYS!

i havnt uploaded the photo that shows the snow on deck yet. but i will soon.

:)


you might have gotten .25 inches of liquid...but not snow..just saying
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GOM Sea Height Anomaly


2012



2011
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Plane crashes in storm in Colo.; 2 dead, 4 hurt

DENVER (AP) - Authorities say two people are dead and four others injured after a private airplane from Texas crashed just short of an airport runway during a heavy snowstorm in Colorado.
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


where are the pics....you did not get .25 of snow...raleigh didnt even get that...its going to be okay..i promise


I GOT 0.25 INCHES OF SNOW, I DONT CARE WHAT THE COMPUTER SAYS!

i havnt uploaded the photo that shows the snow on deck yet. but i will soon.

:)
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:



I bust my ass to make 40k a year. I'm hardly in the upper class. What you don't understand, in my opinon, is that when you make otherwise able-bodied people dependent on the government, you sap their will-power to better themselves and they will never be upwardly mobile. Making people too comfortable in their poverty assures that they will stay there for rest of their lives. In a trickle-down economy, what trickles down isn't always money. It's opportunity. The opportunity to better ones position. That is what the "American Dream" is, the chance, thru hard work to better oneselves lot in life. Free markets offer the best chance for the the most people to lift themselves up. I've never taken a food-stap in my life. I've worked as a self-employeed musician all of my adult life playing keys in reggae bands, rock bands and funk bands.
alright just wondering. Didn't know you played in a band, that's pretty cool
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Quoting SPLbeater:
Outer Banks in Dare County got somethin to watch today...

0050 58 HATTERAS VILLAGE DARE NC 3522 7569 SKYWARN SPOTTER REPORT. TIME ESTIMATED BY RADAR (MHX)

0055 58 FRISCO DARE NC 3523 7561 SPOTTER ALSO REPORTED 1/8-1/4 INCH HAIL. TIME RADAR ESTIMATED. (MHX)

0100 58 AVON DARE NC 3534 7550 SPOTTER ALSO REPORTED 1/8 INCH TO 1/4 INCH HAIL (MHX)
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Quoting SPLbeater:
WELL! we got atleast 0.25 inch outside, which means my prediction of 0.25in. - 3.00in. was right :D


where are the pics....you did not get .25 of snow...raleigh didnt even get that...its going to be okay..i promise
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Quoting gordydunnot:
The problem with most people that watch Fox is that all they watch most over 70 yrs. 24/7. It's the same 29% who would still vote for Bush. So having a solid 29% is always going to make them #1 in a time were there are many outlets of information. Not much to brag about but you have to hand to Roger Ails to find a fringe market and be the first to corner it.



Worst post of the year. Delusional even.
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The world should keep safe tonight, just like this motorist...

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Outer Banks in Dare County got somethin to watch today...
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