Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

Share this Blog
67
+

Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

Reader Comments

Comments will take a few seconds to appear.

Post Your Comments

Please sign in to post comments.

or Join

Not only will you be able to leave comments on this blog, but you'll also have the ability to upload and share your photos in our Wunder Photos section.

Display: 0, 50, 100, 200 Sort: Newest First - Order Posted

Viewing: 1380 - 1330

Page: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32Blog Index

Thank you Dr. Masters for being a voice of sanity in an insane world (country)!
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Additionally, and this may offend some, but we live in a civilization that will literally pay a bartender or a singer far more than a worker or an engineer who builds houses or roads or bridges.


I used to do tax returns, and I am also a tee-total and never drink or go to bars.

The first time I did a tax return for a person who was a bar tender I was at first absolutely shocked, and then furious at the fact that their income turned out to be higher than the majority of full time workers in honest professions. All to feed someone else's addictions.

The stupid thing is, they made more money than me, and it was a basic tax return that requires about 5th grade level math to do, but they had to come to a tax office to get it done.

How is that fair that a person can make more money in this country promoting the selling of a substance that usually leads to accidents and indecent and immoral behavior, compared to a person who has a real job?

Heck, they made more money than my sister, and my sister is an RN.

How can that be a good thing? That's an abominable blight on our civilization.
Member Since: January 25, 2012 Posts: 33 Comments: 1520
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
GFS continues to show a strong low-pressure area affecting the East Coast in 9-10 days from now. Just like this past one, heavy rainfall across the southeast and into southeastern Virginia, but all snow across the mountains of North Carolina and most of the Northeast.



can you tell the GFS that i ddint get enough snow and to adjust its forecast to drop me 6in? then it can go fool with the NE? :)
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
Quoting AussieStorm:
Nice Mardi gras graphicasts from NWS offices in Mobile and New Orleans



back in 5th grade, this girl brought in mardi gras beads for everyone.


SHe was one who evacuated from Katrina up to NC. and luckily, by Gods will, I transferred to her school without knowing it:) never knew a better 11yr old Christian...purty one too.

ANYWAYS, i just might wear mine tomorrow!
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
GFS continues to show a strong low-pressure area affecting the East Coast in 9-10 days from now. Just like this past one, heavy rainfall across the southeast and into southeastern Virginia, but all snow across the mountains of North Carolina and most of Virginia. It appears that this low pulls much more moisture into the colder air than this past system, so snow stretches across much of the Northeast.

Something to watch for sure.

Member Since: July 6, 2010 Posts: 113 Comments: 32260
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


What happened to throwing it to me?
Your arm too weak? ;)



well, there wasnt that much....and I am not sure if i could heave it over the appalachains..lol :D
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
Quoting RTSplayer:


First amendment forbids them from making a law "respecting an establishment of Religion".

So it's technically illegal for them to give religious organizations special treatment, just as it's illegal to prohibit them.

Personally, I want the tax laws on religious organizations to be the same as corporations or private business, and removing special loopholes for all of them. Why?

"Christian" churches aren't churches any more anyway. They are businesses. They function in every way as a corporation or as a family generational business which makes money off their patrons. All of these organizations should be taxed the same way any other sales organization is taxed, and they should be required to post their revenues and spending publicly, just like a corporation, as many so-called Christian religious organizations hide their activities and hurt people.

If you're a Christian and want Biblical standards, then here you go.

John 3, 20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.

Christian organizations should follow Jesus' words and post their revenues and expences publicly, as well as what their pastors, deacons, engineers, and entertainment arti..*ahem* "Praise and Worship" teams are paid.


you are SOOOOOOO wrong.

My church is NOT a busniness.

You probably dont even know the meaning of the quoted verses

And not jus tthe Christians who should follow Jesus. ALL the world has the best option, and thats to follow Jesus!
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
Nice Mardi gras graphicasts from NWS offices in Mobile and New Orleans



from @JimCantore
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting percylives:
About this war thing.

Iran hasn't started a war in 200+ years so I'm figuring they won't do it now no matter how horribly we treat them. Folks, it's oil, in an oil-addicted world. The Iranians will be able to unload all they can pump. The Chinese and Indians are loving our sanctions as they can pick up all the Iranian crude they want at bargain prices.

If we (or the Israelis) start a war, it will be another travesty of justice and a continuation of our failed foreign policy. As US citizens, we'll get +$5/gallon gas out of it. The oil barons will smile all the way to the bank. The economy will grind to a halt and more middle-class citizens will join the military or the ranks of the poor. Personally I will be surprised if such a war occurs. It's just too stupid to consider but, unfortunately, that hasn't stopped politicians before.

BTW, I call it a "failed foreign policy" because any country that spends as we do on our military does not have a successful foreign policy. Successful countries spend their money on infrastructure, education, and other things that better the lives of their citizens, not bombs.

Enough said, back out to enjoy the snow.


Who will replace the oil the EU is not getting now?
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
1370. LargoFl
good morning! 55 and cool here this morning, the cold front came thru and now its clear and sunny on the gulf coast, have a great day everyone
Member Since: August 6, 2011 Posts: 4 Comments: 39134
About this war thing.

Iran hasn't started a war in 200+ years so I'm figuring they won't do it now no matter how horribly we treat them. Folks, it's oil, in an oil-addicted world. The Iranians will be able to unload all they can pump. The Chinese and Indians are loving our sanctions as they can pick up all the Iranian crude they want at bargain prices.

If we (or the Israelis) start a war, it will be another travesty of justice and a continuation of our failed foreign policy. As US citizens, we'll get +$5/gallon gas out of it. The oil barons will smile all the way to the bank. The economy will grind to a halt and more middle-class citizens will join the military or the ranks of the poor. Personally I will be surprised if such a war occurs. It's just too stupid to consider but, unfortunately, that hasn't stopped politicians before.

BTW, I call it a "failed foreign policy" because any country that spends as we do on our military does not have a successful foreign policy. Successful countries spend their money on infrastructure, education, and other things that better the lives of their citizens, not bombs.

Enough said, back out to enjoy the snow.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting SPLbeater:
gee what derailed in the blog last night..


I went out and threw a snowball!! had to scrape quite a bit up..but there was enough! :D


What happened to throwing it to me?
Your arm too weak? ;)

Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting Neapolitan:
The per capita numbers of those two nations are very telling. Do you have those handy?

Per person
US 176
China 62
Saudia Arabia 182
Australia 160
Canada 149
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
A fairly vague term "alot".
The government is currently interfering with the Catholic tenents as we speak.


First amendment forbids them from making a law "respecting an establishment of Religion".

So it's technically illegal for them to give religious organizations special treatment, just as it's illegal to prohibit them.

Personally, I want the tax laws on religious organizations to be the same as corporations or private business, and removing special loopholes for all of them. Why?

"Christian" churches aren't churches any more anyway. They are businesses. They function in every way as a corporation or as a family generational business which makes money off their patrons. All of these organizations should be taxed the same way any other sales organization is taxed, and they should be required to post their revenues and spending publicly, just like a corporation, as many so-called Christian religious organizations hide their activities and hurt people.

If you're a Christian and want Biblical standards, then here you go.

John 3, 20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.

Christian organizations should follow Jesus' words and post their revenues and expences publicly, as well as what their pastors, deacons, engineers, and entertainment arti..*ahem* "Praise and Worship" teams are paid.

Also, the Catholic church's policy on birth control is not even followed by a 90% majority of their own membership. Why? Because it is ridiculous and places an unnecessary and unfair burden on people. It's a bunch of sworn life time Eunuchs telling married couples they MUST either have tons of kids they probably can't support, or practically never have sex.

As for all the other religions' organizations, tax them too.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's."


Since its inception back in the 1960's the, the Dept of Education has spent literally billions upon billions of dollars and dictated to the states the curriculum. Has education gotten better in this country?


Definitely, it's just that because technology advances so rapidly the standard is raised faster than people can physically be improved.

Computers and science technology double about every 18 to 24 months.

Human beings brains require nearly 30 years to fully mature, 18 before we're considered an "adult".

Now people are learning calculus in High School as a standard practice. Exceptional students can even take Algebra 1 in 8th grade now.

Thirty years ago that wasn't the case. They graduated High School with the equivalent of what we now call Algebra 1, Biology 1, and maybe the equivalent of 8th grade physical science, and maybe basic Geometry.

My mother graduated high school with a 3.1 GPA and can't do what we now call "Pre-algebra" that is now taught in 7th or 8th grade. I can assure you, many people in her age group, and particularly in my extended family, have absolutely no clue when it comes to math or science, to the point that it's embarrassing to be around them.

When you have a 60 year old relative ask, "Why can't they just burn the CO2?" Then you know your family is terribly uneducated.

And then it's like, "You fool, CO2 is the primary component of smoke. It's made by fire," but you don't say that out loud, because you just feel so sorry for their stupidity and ignorance that all you can do is just shake your head at it.

Additionally, regarding modern education, the age to enter school was pushed back, so that kids go to pre-school for years before they even go to Kindergarten, so by the time they get to High School they are much more prepared.

Everybody who graduates is supposed to be able to write a 25 page thesis, and do basic physics and trigonometry, which to be honest, take a sample of people from 40 to 60 years old, and I bet the high school graduates will beat them, even the ones that are failing, because the standards are so much higher.

Wealth doesn't equal conservative. You've been sold a bill of goods and have bought into it. Some of the biggest donors to the Democratic party have been the Wall Street brokers. Poor with pride? How much pride can you have when you subsist on government handouts? Pride comes from doing it yourself. Being stagnant on the income scale is not the "American Dream". Being upwardly mobile by your own hand is. Also, when people do start moving up the income ladder thru their own efforts, they tend to pull those around them along. That's one of the reasons this country has become as wealthy as it has.


Most ordinary careers in this country offer little or no room for advancement to the majority of people, and no matter how hard you work or study. The conservative politician likes to make the claim that this is all that is needed: work harder and study harder and things will work out and improve, which is not the case for most people. Additionally, in many cases, people cannot afford to go back to school and hold a job at the same time anyway, so they are permanently locked into a money trap for the remainder of their lives.

If everyone was a double p.h.d. and the most honest, hard working person imaginable, you'd still need janitors, waitresses, burger flippers, carpenters and other construction workers, drivers, cashiers, stock clerks, and laborer/helpers, and many other jobs that are usually paid below the mean income.


So even in the most idealistic world imaginable, the Republican claims would not be true. No matter how smart everyone becomes and no matter how hard everyone works, there will always be a lower 1/3rd to 1/2 which is pretty much always going to get screwed by everyone else.
Member Since: January 25, 2012 Posts: 33 Comments: 1520
gee what derailed in the blog last night..


I went out and threw a snowball!! had to scrape quite a bit up..but there was enough! :D
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
Quoting Neapolitan:
The per capita numbers of those two nations are very telling. Do you have those handy?
The US is far worse per person but we are trying to reduce it albeit not very much. 90% of China is very poor in way we don't understand as they get more advanced they will emit far more.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
The value of money and wealth is way overblown. Nature provided me with a wonderful view this morning and I didn't have to pay a cent for it. Once you have what you need, struggling for more means you've bought into the whole wealth thing and will be a member of the rat race. Rats usually don't have time to just sit on the porch and admire nature's beauty.

Wealth is one of those intangibles that is used by the powers that be to keep your nose to the grindstone. They make all kinds of promises but usually just deliver more demands on you to keep spinning the economy so they can skim the take.

An excellent treatise on the subject is "Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War" by the late, great fellow Virginian, Joe Bageant.

Member Since: Posts: Comments:
really I can't believe this whole "thing" with Iran isn't making the average American think twice about oil on the whole.

But I suppose the lag is logical. After all, pple didn't just change to cars from horses right away.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting uncwhurricane85:


ok...yeah thats about .08 of snow though


here is some advice for you. why dont you shut up and listen to the guy who went out and stuck a ruler in it. 0.25 is the line it came up to. YOU HAVENT A CLUE
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4486
Quoting Neapolitan:
Wow, someone's morning coffee appears to have been spiked with a good dose of anti-Muslim pills. Either that, or Glen Beck is here and using an alias. ;-)

The thing that's surprising--at least on the surface--is that very often those most fearful of swarthy Muslims climbing through their bedroom windows at night are also the most adamant about maintaining the fossil fuel-only paradigm. Surprising, because common sense alone tells us that getting off the oil spigot as rapidly as possible is by far the best way to ensure America's security. Those foreign leaders have something to which we in the west are addicted, and the longer we hold onto that addiction, the better for them. For that reason, I would imagine that OPEC's board members sit around the meeting table rubbing their hands with glee and and heartily cheering each climate change denialist's proclamation that there's just no way for us to move away from oil.

Drug dealers don't like to see people going into rehab.

On another note, no one in the Occupy movement--with the possible exception of a few trouble-making cranks--plans to "be violent this summer". The movement has already seriously altered the national conversation through peaceful protests and consistent and strategically-applied political pressure; why change the methodology? Now, some would claim that Occupy's members are dirty, disorganized hippies, but that's always the default position of the entrenched who are fearful of having the establishment rocked. Thus is has always been, thus it will always be...

On the weather front, it looks as though the abnormally warm lows will continue for at least the next three days.

Warm

Warm

Warm

Oh, and because a troll brought it up:

--For the year to-date, record highs of all types have outnumbered record lows of all types by 5,335 to 544, or 9.81 to 1.

--Days this year in which record highs have outnumbered record lows: 45.

--Days this year in which record lows have outnumbered record highs: 5.


It was 87 here in Orlando yesterday while the average is only 73. Infact we may eclipse 90 later this week. Very strange winter here in FL this year. We do however need rain very bad as it is getting very dry here now. Heat and winds could fuel some devastating wildfires if we don't get substantial rain soon.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
If they get hit by 60% of Tropical Storms in their region, 3 -4 a year!??? They must have the BEST emergency response around, to stay there at all. What do they do to handle that kind of return interval?
Florida has only had 4 big storms 2 or 3 times since I have been around. There must be lessons we can learn.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Here is what I think will soon be the new Weather.gov
I dont like it because it makes it more difficult to link the the SPC and such other links, but you can submit your own comments on the redesign Here

Also things are getting heated over in Iran.
At least the US does not use much Iranian oil and can count on Canada from much of are oil.
Hopefully soon we will begin to produce our own oil without outside help.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
What is up with the sun posts, Keep? It isn't spewing much just now.
Living in my home and making it more efficient to cost less each year, instead of regretting not selling during the bubble or hoping it turns into a cash cow, makes me happier. There is NOTHING stopping me from growing my own food, praying as I wish, or starting a business.
The welfare laws need to be changed, so the working poor can work without loosing ALL their benefits. If I make $300 more than required, I should lose $150 in assistance, NOT $300. That would incentivize work, instead of penalizing it.
Someone turn the total precipitable water, into some actual water over central Florida. The wading birds have cleaned out all the fish in the adjacent drying wetlands. Just turtles left.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting washingtonian115:
I won't even question why we're talking about war/politics on a weather blog.If that's the case can I give my opinion about Obama and what I think about the front runners of the presidential race????
Lmao sure as long as u dislike them all and have some inside info on a new repub getting in. O and don't forget to mention global warming.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting Texasdrifter:
Co2 emissions 2010
34,000,000 metric tons in thousands total
China 8,240,958
US 5,492,170


The per capita numbers of those two nations are very telling. Do you have those handy?
Member Since: November 8, 2009 Posts: 4 Comments: 13549
Quoting EllenPettit:

No thank you. ;-) I'm patiently awaiting Neapolitan's high to low ratio report for the continental U.S.
I had already given my opinion once before about a politician on this blog and and people literally went insane.The solar activity looks interesting.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Co2 emissions 2010
34,000,000 metric tons in thousands total
China 8,240,958
US 5,492,170


Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Wow, someone's morning coffee appears to have been spiked with a good dose of anti-Muslim pills. Either that, or Glen Beck is here and using an alias. ;-)

The thing that's surprising--at least on the surface--is that very often those most fearful of swarthy Muslims climbing through their bedroom windows at night are also the most adamant about maintaining the fossil fuel-only paradigm. Surprising, because common sense alone tells us that getting off the oil spigot as rapidly as possible is by far the best way to ensure America's security. Those foreign leaders have something to which we in the west are addicted, and the longer we hold onto that addiction, the better for them. For that reason, I would imagine that OPEC's board members sit around the meeting table rubbing their hands with glee and and heartily cheering each climate change denialist's proclamation that there's just no way for us to move away from oil.

Drug dealers don't like to see people going into rehab.

On another note, no one in the Occupy movement--with the possible exception of a few trouble-making cranks--plans to "be violent this summer". The movement has already seriously altered the national conversation through peaceful protests and consistent and strategically-applied political pressure; why change the methodology? Now, some would claim that Occupy's members are dirty, disorganized hippies, but that's always the default position of the entrenched who are fearful of having the establishment rocked. Thus is has always been, thus it will always be...

On the weather front, it looks as though the abnormally warm lows will continue for at least the next three days.

Warm

Warm

Warm

Oh, and because a troll brought it up:

--For the year to-date, record highs of all types have outnumbered record lows of all types by 5,335 to 544, or 9.81 to 1.

--Days this year in which record highs have outnumbered record lows: 45.

--Days this year in which record lows have outnumbered record highs: 5.
Member Since: November 8, 2009 Posts: 4 Comments: 13549
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
2010 worst global footprint not just co2 emissions
1. Brazil
2. US
3. China
4. Indonesia
5. Japan
6. Mexico
7. India
8. Russia
9. Australia
10.Peru
Includes all activities harmful to environment
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
I won't even question why we're talking about war/politics on a weather blog.If that's the case can I give my opinion about Obama and what I think about the front runners of the presidential race????
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting BobWallace:


China, India and Brazil are actually doing quite a bit get renewable energy on their grids.

The leaders of China have promised that they won't let their per capita CO2 get anywhere as bad as the US. They seem to fully understand global climate change and how it will hurt their country if allowed to continue.

India is a bit slower getting started, but beginning to install a lot of wind and solar.

Brazil is installing a lot of wind generation and making a lot of their liquid fuel from sugar cane, thus avoiding a lot of oil usage.

I don't think any other countries are as divided over climate change as is the US. When I travel and talk to people from other countries they simply can't believe how we've got a major political party fighting against making the changes needed. (Canada surprisingly has somewhat the same problem.)

Public opinion seems to be changing. There seems to be not as much denial about rising temperatures but there's still a reluctance to accept the causes. Some people just don't want to look at the facts. It's just simple physics.

The only thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic about the US is the fact that many conservatives are now realizing that wind-electricity is cheap and having wind farms in your state creates jobs and brings in taxes for the state and local government. It also gives a nice income stream to land owners who lease out some land for turbines.

The same thing will soon start happening with solar. The price of solar is dropping incredibly fast and lots of people are starting to get jobs installing solar systems. Those jobs will bring a lot of folks on the right around.

I suspect we're less than five years from affordable EVs with enough range to work for almost everyone. When we can buy an EV for only a few thousand more than a gasmobile and save a bunch of money by not buying gas then people will switch away from oil. Everyone who has test driven an EV loves the way they perform. People who own them love the convenience of plugging in rather than going to a service station. When prices and range get good enough folks will rapidly switch.

Hopefully we'll soon be past the point where renewables and EVs need subsidies. When that happens a lot of the political problems go away. Right now the wind industry says that it needs three (or four, I forget) more years of subsidies and then they will be fine without any governmental help. Solar should be there by 2020 if not a bit sooner. EVs, I suspect prices will be good in five years or less.

We're making progress on efficiency. Businesses are very serious about efficiency because that saves them money, makes them more competitive and more profitable. The new light bulb requirements will cut our residential use of electricity by 6% or 7%, which is an enormous savings. New TVs, refrigerators, etc. are much more efficient.

We've got the technology. We just need to put ourselves to work getting it installed. If we do so we'll create a lot of jobs, help get our economy strengthened, and save ourselves money.





Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Nice 4-6 inches down by the James River in central VA.

Such a beautiful winter morning I'm going sit on the front porch and admire it. Have a good day.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Deadly cyclone likely to hit Madagascar again


A powerful cyclone that hit the Madagascar is again threatening to touch down, just days after killing eight people and displacing about 40,000 others.

The eye of Cyclone Giovanna was located some 175 kilometres south-east of Tolagnaro %u2014 a town about 1,110 kilometres south of the capital Antananarivo %u2014 today at 6am, the Malagasy Meteorological Service said.

The cyclone made landfall Monday in the sugar-producing district of Brickaville in eastern Madagascar, causing massive damage there before going through the central islands and exiting in the south-west.

Humanitarian efforts have since been under way and a new storm would further complicate ongoing relief efforts being co-ordinated by the National Office for Disaster Preparedness.

Meteorologists have since issued further warnings of a second landfall.

The cyclone is said to have intensified in severity after heading towards southern Mozambique.

The island normally uses town criers to alert the public in times of anticipated major storms.

The category four storm was first sighted nine days ago at 1,650 kilometres in the Indian Ocean and was 1,000 kilometres in diameter.

Strong winds and heavy rainfall destroyed about 8,475 houses, with 4,230 completely crushed, according to official data.

Over 100 schools, hospitals, churches and offices were also damaged. Landslides ripped trees.

Damaged bridges, especially those on the road serving linking the capital city Antananarivo and the eastern port city of Toamasina, have paralysed transport.

Madagascar is one of Africa%u2019s most exposed countries to tropical cyclones, being hit by around 60 per cent of the storms formed in the Indian Ocean basin.

An annual average of 3-4 intense tropical cyclones with winds of up to 200 kilometres have made landfall since the 1990s.

Member Since: Posts: Comments:
1343. j2008
In other news TC 13 has finally developed into Hilwa and Giovanna has transitioned into an ExTropical Cyclone.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Is it conservative to care for the environment? I would think it would be. I would think that traditionally, sloppiness and waste would be attributed to democrats, if not liberals. Yet today, caring for the environment is being treated as a 'liberal disease'.

Libs pay lip service to a clean environment but I will point out how clean the parks are after a Tea Party" rally and how disgusting they are after an "Occupy" session.


Religious freedom. I thought that would be conservative: less government interference in our private lives; the government only intervenes to assure liberty. 'Conservative' has come to mean 'Christian' for a lot of people.

For "alot" of people. A fairly vague term "alot".
The government is currently interfering with the Catholic tenents as we speak.


Education. Where would America be without public education? But it is a socialist thing, no? Free education.

Since its inception back in the 1960's the, the Dept of Education has spent literally billions upon billions of dollars and dictated to the states the curriculum. Has education gotten better in this country?

Wealth. Why should wealth be conservative? It seems like "conservative" = "wealthy" nowadays. What about the poor person with pride who wants to live their life in peace? What about the poor person who wants to just worship and live as they choose? Yet these people are getting caught in the steamroller of modern society. You can say what you want about charity and a welfare society but one opposite is that we all become a society of pigs competing to climb a greased pole just so we can stand on top. If it is impossible to be poor and dignified, America is not a conservative country.

Wealth doesn't equal conservative. You've been sold a bill of goods and have bought into it. Some of the biggest donors to the Democratic party have been the Wall Street brokers. Poor with pride? How much pride can you have when you subsist on government handouts? Pride comes from doing it yourself. Being stagnant on the income scale is not the "American Dream". Being upwardly mobile by your own hand is. Also, when people do start moving up the income ladder thru their own efforts, they tend to pull those around them along. That's one of the reasons this country has become as wealthy as it has.




Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Green,
I agree with most of what you said but speaking as someone who has become one of the poor. I just want a job, the 40% of my house value back that I'm waiting to sell if housing prices ever come back., and a better future for my kids. Since 2008 I've had to go monitor the clean-up after Ike. The best job I've had since 2000. Draw unemployment for 1.5 years till I went to Minot to wade through abestos because I wanted more money for my kids to enjoy life. Only to lose my unemployment cause I didn't get a check stub to prove I got what I told them I've got. No one can give you pride you have to earn it. The government can not do everything if you want to help the poor give them opportunity not pity. Help the sick, the young that can't defend themselves. I will never vote to trade my freedom to defend my family for a handout that can be taken from you. I am a poor, non racist,non- religious person that believes global warming is caused by humans. I also vote republican because I believe them to be the lesser of two evils.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Iran said yesterday they are cutting off their oil supply to Europe and Britian, WWIII is coming folks, you just wait till the rest of the muslim countries cuts off oil to those countries.
Saudi Arabia, yesterday is cutting production, and raising prices.
Folks the screws are tightning on America and the free world get ready.
With the Muslim brotherhood doing their thing, and Occupy says it's going to be violent this summer, ya'all just sit back and enjoy the deaths and carnage in America.
Oh I forgot Israel rampping up war on Iran and the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood, as the brotherhood tells Israel were going to destroy you!
Member Since: August 18, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 582
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Three things you can do now:

1. Consume less

2. Conserve what you consume

3. Recycle what you discard

These are very easy to do and saves you money. Recycling can even bring you in some money.


Americans are going to pay more to the Muslims in the near future for oil, Obama is playing into their hands, Russia, is getting rich selling oil,
America is getting poorer, and is going to collaspe, because oil is king, always will be!
Have fun freezing to death, our alternative fuel will be wood, you folks are living in a fantasy world, the muslims want to kill us, George Soros wants to collaspe the American ecomony, the Russians want to bury us, and the Chinese want to own us,and we talk about wind! folks when stuff hits the fan, remember this post!
Member Since: August 18, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 582
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
"Conservatism is what will save this country. Having a "D" or "R" after your name means less and less these days"


The problem with a statement like that is that as far as I can see, the only point that defines modern 'conservatives' is hatred of liberals.

I read your comment about how much you make and your career as a musician. I admire what you've done and agree with the stand-on-your-own-feet sentiment.

And in that sense I am a conservative like you. But the general term conservative doesn't mean much anymore.

Consider:

Is it conservative to care for the environment? I would think it would be. I would think that traditionally, sloppiness and waste would be attributed to democrats, if not liberals. Yet today, caring for the environment is being treated as a 'liberal disease'.

Religious freedom. I thought that would be conservative: less government interference in our private lives; the government only intervenes to assure liberty. 'Conservative' has come to mean 'Christian' for a lot of people.

Education. Where would America be without public education? But it is a socialist thing, no? Free education.

Wealth. Why should wealth be conservative? It seems like "conservative" = "wealthy" nowadays. What about the poor person with pride who wants to live their life in peace? What about the poor person who wants to just worship and live as they choose? Yet these people are getting caught in the steamroller of modern society. You can say what you want about charity and a welfare society but one opposite is that we all become a society of pigs competing to climb a greased pole just so we can stand on top. If it is impossible to be poor and dignified, America is not a conservative country.


etc, etc. The point is tell me what 'conservative' means before you say conservativism will save America. A lot a lot of what I see as consevatism is greed, stupidity and social climbing wrapped in a flag of a previously respectable ideology.

Member Since: Posts: Comments:
This, i guess, is going to be the new Weather.gov
In my opinion it sucks
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Though that might be a wee bit too Warmed.
Member Since: August 21, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4860
1335. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Well at least these cute little critters won't mind GlobalWarming much.
Member Since: August 21, 2007 Posts: 0 Comments: 4860
I can hear the voice of Dan Rather past whispering "Fake, but accurate."
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
I believe G.W. Bush signed the light bulb law. An most most republicans don't like him much anymore he wasn't as much a conservative as he was a authoritarian.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Bob,
I hope you are right but the two party system and labels attached to it hurt the effort. Most republicans believe global warming is real. Just the overly religious and very rich act like they don't . But if gas hits $5 a gallon most of your liberals change there tune when the poor can't afford gas.
Member Since: Posts: Comments:
Quoting greentortuloni:


Hey, if it helps: just quit for one day. Get mad, prove you can do jsut that much. Then, a week or so later, quit for one day again. Then at some point string two days in a row. Then three...

That's how I did it. Not saying it was easy. But after I had gone 5 days in a row i was so scared of smoking again that it stuck.
Lol I will try but my wife usually will go buy me some just so I will quit picking on everyone it my last bad habit:(
Member Since: Posts: Comments:

Viewing: 1380 - 1330

Page: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32Blog Index

Top of Page

About

Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

Local Weather

Overcast
65 °F
Overcast