Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting BobWallace:


Seems to me that there are few in the Republican party who don't fall into the "overly religious" or "very rich" categories.

I wouldn't describe the first group as overly religious, I'd describe them as very socially conservative and interested in forcing their life choices on the rest of us. The leading Republican candidate of the moment wants the US to follow the dictates of the Catholic Church.

I really don't understand your prediction of liberals changing their tune if gas hits $5/gallon. My take on liberals is that they are pushing for more efficient vehicles, more and better public transportation and electric vehicles.

We really do need to improve our public transportation systems. I spent January in Ecuador and found absolutely no need for a car. Buses and electric trolleys were all over the place. I could go anywhere in Quito for 25 cents. The buses were new, in great shape, and not crowded. The trolley were a bit crowded during rush hours, but still very usable.

Getting from one city to another was a piece of cake. Local buses/trolleys ran right to the bus station and buses left frequently. Very good quality buses. Buses would pick up people along the way, not just at bus stops. And they would let them off where they wanted.

Coming back to the US I needed to get from San Francisco to Placerville to pick up my car. There were only two buses per day from San Francisco to Sacramento. And only morning buses from Sacramento to Placerville.

I had to take a taxi from the Sac bus station to a hotel and spend the night. Then I took the bus to Placerville but it only stopped on the far side of town which left me a three mile walk to where I could thumb the last 15 miles. (That or a $50 to $100 taxi bill.)

That two day trip could have been done in half a day in Ecuador with only one bus change at the intermediate city bus station.

A long story, but it reminded me that we don't have a good public transportation system. We force people to drive cars when public transportation would be cheaper and save oil.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



Yeah the NAM nailed it, I'm glad I got 1.17(or somewhere around there I forget exactly) on Friday consider yesterday turned out uneventful. We were predicted to get just light showers on Friday but what some on and off heavy embedded convection mixed in with about 6 hours of light rain. It was a great soaking considering how dry it has been.


I don't know about you, but it seems we are frequently dealing with drought a heck of a lot more these days in Florida instead of surplus. At my place I had a ton of rain last year after being below normal for 6 consecutive years, however most places did not get 70 inches like I did, it was pretty much localized to North Pinellas County and parts of Hillsborough.


Every model but the NAM predicted a wet/severe squall line (even the SPC bought into it.. and me). Instead, while the conditions are RIPE for tornadoes yesterday with highs in the lower 80s and heavy winds.. We got drizzle. The NAM was the only model that predicted the squall line to dissipate north of the Peninsula.
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Quoting RTSplayer:


It isn't about ego.

If I make an argument to show SPLBeater that he is wrong about my knowledge of the scripture, one of you accuses me of being egotist.

If I say nothing, then he learns nothing and goes away believing he's made a legitimate point.

"Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit. Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou be like unto him."

Matthew. 19, 30 But many shall be last that are first; and first that are last.

the word "many" and the context gives an important distinction.

In fact, the "many" who shall be last are unbelievers, and the "first" that are last are believers.

That's not supposed to be an excuse to be an idiot.

I've never found real love or freedom at church. I wish I could say otherwise, but I haven't.

Only abusive church hierarchies or fanatics and anti-intellectuals who in some cases practically preached against education, or some combination of them. In many cases, my own parents were the worst sort of the anti-intellectuals, and I have vowed that I will rise above it.

"Wisdom is the principle thing, therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding."

or how about

"The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and of the fear of the Lord".

How about Jesus scathing words, "The Children of the World are wiser in their own generation than the Children of Light," where he was embarrassed and humiliated at the stupidity of his own people.

If a person claims to be of God, why do so many of them show themselves to be blooming idiots?

Do you understand that, according to the Bible, if a person cannot answer some of the questions I listed above, they cannot logically be "saved", no matter what else they claim to believe or do?

I'm talking about 70 to 90% of people identifying themselves as Christian cannot correctly answer questions regarding matters of salvation...which is the primary subject of the Bible and of the Christian faith...reconciling man to God.

Why can't you see that as a problem?

"Love" that cannot even properly identify itself can't possibly be real.


An allegedly "Inspired and Infallible" text that doesn't agree with science and observation, even under some of the most extreme special pleading or assumptions of metaphor, etc, well...it's facing serious issues regarding the foundation of truth.


How can I be helped by people, or help others, who refuse to admit the problems? Hah. What a joke.





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Quoting Jedkins01:



Bro, God didn't come to reward dudes with big brains and big egos, those who are last shall be first and the first shall be last. You're missing the whole point, let go and embrace love and freedom.


It isn't about ego.

If I make an argument to show SPLBeater that he is wrong about my knowledge of the scripture, one of you accuses me of being egotist.

If I say nothing, then he learns nothing and goes away believing he's made a legitimate point.

"Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit. Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou be like unto him."

Matthew. 19, 30 But many shall be last that are first; and first that are last.

the word "many" and the context gives an important distinction.

In fact, the "many" who shall be last are unbelievers, and the "first" that are last are believers.

That's not supposed to be an excuse to be an idiot.

I've never found real love or freedom at church. I wish I could say otherwise, but I haven't.

Only abusive church hierarchies or fanatics and anti-intellectuals who in some cases practically preached against education, or some combination of them. In many cases, my own parents were the worst sort of the anti-intellectuals, and I have vowed that I will rise above it.

"Wisdom is the principle thing, therefore get wisdom and with all your getting, get understanding."

or how about

"The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and of the fear of the Lord".

How about Jesus scathing words, "The Children of the World are wiser in their own generation than the Children of Light," where he was embarrassed and humiliated at the stupidity of his own people.

If a person claims to be of God, why do so many of them show themselves to be blooming idiots?

Do you understand that, according to the Bible, if a person cannot answer some of the questions I listed above, they cannot logically be "saved", no matter what else they claim to believe or do?

I'm talking about 70 to 90% of people identifying themselves as Christian cannot correctly answer questions regarding matters of salvation...which is the primary subject of the Bible and of the Christian faith...reconciling man to God.

Why can't you see that as a problem?

"Love" that cannot even properly identify itself can't possibly be real.


An allegedly "Inspired and Infallible" text that doesn't agree with science and observation, even under some of the most extreme special pleading or assumptions of metaphor, etc, well...it's facing serious issues regarding the foundation of truth.


How can I be helped by people, or help others, who refuse to admit the problems? Hah. What a joke.
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Quoting reedzone:


The NAM model nailed the severe storm aspect of the storm. There was no squall line coming for the peninsula of Florida, we remain dry.



Yeah the NAM nailed it, I'm glad I got 1.17(or somewhere around there I forget exactly) on Friday consider yesterday turned out uneventful. We were predicted to get just light showers on Friday but what some on and off heavy embedded convection mixed in with about 6 hours of light rain. It was a great soaking considering how dry it has been.


I don't know about you, but it seems we are frequently dealing with drought a heck of a lot more these days in Florida instead of surplus. At my place I had a ton of rain last year after being below normal for 6 consecutive years, however most places did not get 70 inches like I did, it was pretty much localized to North Pinellas County and parts of Hillsborough.
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Quoting BobWallace:


Seems to me that there are few in the Republican party who don't fall into the "overly religious" or "very rich" categories.

I wouldn't describe the first group as overly religious, I'd describe them as very socially conservative and interested in forcing their life choices on the rest of us. The leading Republican candidate of the moment wants the US to follow the dictates of the Catholic Church.

I really don't understand your prediction of liberals changing their tune if gas hits $5/gallon. My take on liberals is that they are pushing for more efficient vehicles, more and better public transportation and electric vehicles.

We really do need to improve our public transportation systems. I spent January in Ecuador and found absolutely no need for a car. Buses and electric trolleys were all over the place. I could go anywhere in Quito for 25 cents. The buses were new, in great shape, and not crowded. The trolley were a bit crowded during rush hours, but still very usable.

Getting from one city to another was a piece of cake. Local buses/trolleys ran right to the bus station and buses left frequently. Very good quality buses. Buses would pick up people along the way, not just at bus stops. And they would let them off where they wanted.

Coming back to the US I needed to get from San Francisco to Placerville to pick up my car. There were only two buses per day from San Francisco to Sacramento. And only morning buses from Sacramento to Placerville.

I had to take a taxi from the Sac bus station to a hotel and spend the night. Then I took the bus to Placerville but it only stopped on the far side of town which left me a three mile walk to where I could thumb the last 15 miles. (That or a $50 to $100 taxi bill.)

That two day trip could have been done in half a day in Ecuador with only one bus change at the intermediate city bus station.

A long story, but it reminded me that we don't have a good public transportation system. We force people to drive cars when public transportation would be cheaper and save oil.


Problem is, in America every time you catch a ride, they'll charge something like $5 here and there and everywhere and basically we're right back to where we are with high gas prices. This country is full of greed and always out to profit.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



Yeah, don't bother arguing with them :)


this is a photo from my facebook i took on jan 3 in washington d.c.....this is what .25 inches of snow actually looks like

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.16802654 9971188.36823.100002915317361&type=3#!/photo.php?f bid=168029509970892&set=a.168026549971188.36823.10 0002915317361&type=3&theater
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No.

I guess the 00Z run of the GFS was right yesterday morning when it said you would get less than inch. ;-)


i think the ignore and bann,list is awesome!

it wasnt the 00z run that game me less then an inch, it was the 12z run i believe. the 00z run gave me over 2 inches.

:D
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Quoting Patrap:
MATTHEW HINTON / THE TIMES-PICAYUNE

Will Ferrell reigns as Bacchus XLIV for the Krewe of Bacchus parade on Napoleon Ave. in New Orleans, Louisiana, Sunday, February 19, 2012.



Krewe of Bacchus 2012 photo's


Galveston always has that 7ft guy from NOLA in the parade Pat, know who he is?
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

That's not a good idea. The ignore list isn't a good tool to use because other people are going to quote the person anyways...


It is not a good idea because then you miss the good things that your ignored people post

On a side note,
If the UN decides to send help Syria, what part will Iran play, they have 2 warships there now, would that eventually lead to war with them
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Quoting Texasdrifter:
Bob,
I hope you are right but the two party system and labels attached to it hurt the effort. Most republicans believe global warming is real. Just the overly religious and very rich act like they don't . But if gas hits $5 a gallon most of your liberals change there tune when the poor can't afford gas.


Seems to me that there are few in the Republican party who don't fall into the "overly religious" or "very rich" categories.

I wouldn't describe the first group as overly religious, I'd describe them as very socially conservative and interested in forcing their life choices on the rest of us. The leading Republican candidate of the moment wants the US to follow the dictates of the Catholic Church.

I really don't understand your prediction of liberals changing their tune if gas hits $5/gallon. My take on liberals is that they are pushing for more efficient vehicles, more and better public transportation and electric vehicles.

We really do need to improve our public transportation systems. I spent January in Ecuador and found absolutely no need for a car. Buses and electric trolleys were all over the place. I could go anywhere in Quito for 25 cents. The buses were new, in great shape, and not crowded. The trolley were a bit crowded during rush hours, but still very usable.

Getting from one city to another was a piece of cake. Local buses/trolleys ran right to the bus station and buses left frequently. Very good quality buses. Buses would pick up people along the way, not just at bus stops. And they would let them off where they wanted.

Coming back to the US I needed to get from San Francisco to Placerville to pick up my car. There were only two buses per day from San Francisco to Sacramento. And only morning buses from Sacramento to Placerville.

I had to take a taxi from the Sac bus station to a hotel and spend the night. Then I took the bus to Placerville but it only stopped on the far side of town which left me a three mile walk to where I could thumb the last 15 miles. (That or a $50 to $100 taxi bill.)

That two day trip could have been done in half a day in Ecuador with only one bus change at the intermediate city bus station.

A long story, but it reminded me that we don't have a good public transportation system. We force people to drive cars when public transportation would be cheaper and save oil.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


the picture in my photos was when the total was about 0.15. it accumulated more later, to enough that my ruler was in past the 0.25 mark.

isnt the ignore list great!



Yeah, don't bother arguing with them :)
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Quoting reedzone:
I'm reading posts on Christianity on here.. I'm a Christian, but NOT a perfect person. I make many mistakes, I can be bitter, and I'm the churchs keyboardist/worship leader. Why?? Why would Pastor allow me to do this while I am not a perfect person? It's simple.. I am a sinner SAVED by Grace. God forgives, and I will be judged when the time comes but that is for GOD to judge, not other people who are completely the same or worse. I agree with some on here that some Atheists know the bible more then us Christians. In fact, I rarely even read it, mainly because I don't like to read.. I urge to read it, but don't. Eventually that will change.. I don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, I just need to KNOW what I am doing and move on. Alot of Christians like Jimmy Swaggert think you cannot sin one time before going to hell, that rock and pop music is of the devil. Hell!!! I make pop music for a living, does that make me a sinner? God loves every type of music. The holier then thou Christians (which is alot in this this world) will be judged for their actions against the saved and unsaved. Only God is perfect.


I did not know this was you. I like you alot better now since your a brother! good post
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Quoting reedzone:
I'm reading posts on Christianity on here.. I'm a Christian, but NOT a perfect person. I make many mistakes, I can be bitter, and I'm the churchs keyboardist/worship leader. Why?? Why would Pastor allow me to do this while I am not a perfect person? It's simple.. I am a sinner SAVED by Grace. God forgives, and I will be judged when the time comes but that is for GOD to judge, not other people who are completely the same or worse. I agree with some on here that some Atheists know the bible more then us Christians. In fact, I rarely even read it, mainly because I don't like to read.. I urge to read it, but don't. Eventually that will change.. I don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, I just need to KNOW what I am doing and move on. Alot of Christians like Jimmy Swaggert think you cannot sin one time before going to hell, that rock and pop music is of the devil. Hell!!! I make pop music for a living, does that make me a sinner? God loves every type of music. The holier then thou Christians (which is alot in this this world) will be judged for their actions against the saved and unsaved. Only God is perfect.



You got it man, refreshing to know I'm not alone here.
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1461. Patrap
MATTHEW HINTON / THE TIMES-PICAYUNE

Will Ferrell reigns as Bacchus XLIV for the Krewe of Bacchus parade on Napoleon Ave. in New Orleans, Louisiana, Sunday, February 19, 2012.



Krewe of Bacchus 2012 photo's
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Quoting Patrap:
WunderBlogs - Standards

I think it best some refer to the above as the past hour or 3, some may have violated about 50% of the rules of the road.

got me.
perhaps i can redeem my quoting of another blogger with this quote.
good rules
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No.

I guess the 00Z run of the GFS was right yesterday morning when it said you would get less than inch. ;-)


The NAM model nailed the severe storm aspect of the storm. There was no squall line coming for the peninsula of Florida, we remain dry.
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Quoting Patrap:
WunderBlogs - Standards

I think it best some refer to the above as the past hour or 3, some may have violated about 50% of the rules of the road.




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Quoting SPLbeater:


the picture in my photos was when the total was about 0.15. it accumulated more later, to enough that my ruler was in past the 0.25 mark.

isnt the ignore list great!

No.

I guess the 00Z run of the GFS was right yesterday morning when it said you would get less than inch. ;-)
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1455. hydrus
A little action south of Africa..
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Quoting Jedkins01:



haha yeah I got what you meant, I was jk :)


the picture in my photos was when the total was about 0.15. it accumulated more later, to enough that my ruler was in past the 0.25 mark.

isnt the ignore list great!
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I'm reading posts on Christianity on here.. I'm a Christian, but NOT a perfect person. I make many mistakes, I can be bitter, and I'm the churchs keyboardist/worship leader. Why?? Why would Pastor allow me to do this while I am not a perfect person? It's simple.. I am a sinner SAVED by Grace. God forgives, and I will be judged when the time comes but that is for GOD to judge, not other people who are completely the same or worse. I agree with some on here that some Atheists know the bible more then us Christians. In fact, I rarely even read it, mainly because I don't like to read.. I urge to read it, but don't. Eventually that will change.. I don't have to be perfect to be a Christian, I just need to KNOW what I am doing and move on. Alot of Christians like Jimmy Swaggert think you cannot sin one time before going to hell, that rock and pop music is of the devil. Hell!!! I make pop music for a living, does that make me a sinner? God loves every type of music. The holier then thou Christians (which is alot in this this world) will be judged for their actions against the saved and unsaved. Only God is perfect.
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Quoting Articuno:
I hate winter,
the snow MISSED US COMPLETELY!
T_T



me too!! bring the heat..where are you?
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I hate winter,
the snow MISSED US COMPLETELY!
T_T

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WunderBlogs - Standards



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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


nah i was saying that for SPLbeater...i was using an analogy of how when you have your first beer you say you had 10 like he said they had snow in sanford, n.c. last night, which they did have enought for it to be transparent on a wooden deck



haha yeah I got what you meant, I was jk :)
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Quoting RTSplayer:


You fail to comprehend the problem.

I've heard that a HUNDRED TIMES, and guess what? Burnt.

EVERYONE SAYS THAT, you poor blind sheep.

I've been everywhere from the mega-church to the hole in the wall church on the corner, to the hole in the wall church in the remote campground 10 miles deep in the woods, and it's the same thing.

"My church is GOOOOOD, Bible based. TRUST ME! We're the real deal. Yup. That's us. Praise Jesus!!" - that's what every church says outwardly.




That's what I just got done explaining to you.

You may be honest and even correct, but I have no way to trust you anyway, moreover, you haven't given me, or anyone else, anything that would prove that to anyone.


I can't even get to the more important, intellectually honest, "Search your real heart and soul" questions about the problems in the integrity of the Bible itself, because you can't even seem to see the obvious stuff that's wrong with the "church", and I mean all denominations and non-denominations.






For those of you who know star wars well:

THAT MEDICAL FRIGATE GONNA BLOW!!!!


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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

That's not a good idea. The ignore list isn't a good tool to use because other people are going to quote the person anyways...


i think its a great idea because it keeps me calm, since i do not see the ones who irritate me:)

Becomes a much better blog, much more imformative blog.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


i ddint overhype it. I STUCK A RULER IN IT AND GOT A TOTAL. if your to prideful or ignorant to admit your wrong, then-

goodbye. you have now become #14ignored.


DARN!
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Quoting SPLbeater:


i ddint overhype it. I STUCK A RULER IN IT AND GOT A TOTAL. if your to prideful or ignorant to admit your wrong, then-

goodbye. you have now become #14ignored.

That's not a good idea. The ignore list isn't a good tool to use because other people are going to quote the person anyways...
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


Who will replace the oil the EU is not getting now?


The EU doesn't receive a significant fraction of it's petroleum from Iran (about 4%). Chances are they'll just buy it from someone else.
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Quoting Jedkins01:



It only took you 1 beer for that to happen? Dang man you better stay away from alcohol...


nah i was saying that for SPLbeater...i was using an analogy of how when you have your first beer you say you had 10 like he said they had snow in sanford, n.c. last night, which they did have enought for it to be transparent on a wooden deck
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Quoting NaplesFLBreeze:

CatHurricane250 is still an active member here. Same with TampaCat5.

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to modify my post...
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


its ok to overhipe your observations, everybody does it..i did the same thing when i had my first beer


i ddint overhype it. I STUCK A RULER IN IT AND GOT A TOTAL. if your to prideful or ignorant to admit your wrong, then-

goodbye. you have now become #14ignored.
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Mauritius Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #15
TEMPETE TROPICALE MODEREE HILWA (10-20112012)
16:00 PM RET February 20 2012
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At 12:00 PM UTC, Moderate Tropical Storm Hilwa (995 hPa) located at 18.9S 65.4E has 10 minute sustained winds of 35 knots with gusts of 50 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west at 6 knots.

Gale Force Winds
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20 NM radius from the center

Near Gale Force Winds
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40-60 NM radius from the center extending up to 90 NM in the southeastern semi-circle

Dvorak Intensity: T2.5/2.5/D1.0/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 19.1S 64.4E - 40 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)
24 HRS: 19.9S 63.4E - 45 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)
48 HRS: 23.0S 62.5E - 35 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)
72 HRS: 27.5S 64.0E - 30 knots (Depression Tropicale)

Additional Information
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0441 AM UTC ASCAT swath shows an improving low level circulation within the last 12 hours in the western semi-cercle. TRMM data of 0659 AM UTC suggest that convection is organizing into curved band around the center.

System is expected to keep on tracking west southwestward then southwestward around the highs of low troposphere and finally southward Wednesday evacuating with the trough.

The weakening of the vertical wind shear on the system , and the temporally polar outflow channel building with the approaching upper level trough give a gap of intensification of 24 to 36 hours. However in relationship with a lack of low level inflow (mainly equatorward), intensification of the system may remain laborious.

The next tropical cyclone advisory from Mauritius Meteorological Service on TC HILWA will be issued at 18:30 PM UTC..
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1438. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #27
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 01
21:00 PM JST February 20 2012
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SUBJECT: TROPICAL DEPRESSION IN SOUTH CHINA SEA

At 12:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression (1006 hPa) located at 9.0N 111.0E has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots with gusts of 40 knots. The depression is reported as almost stationary.

Final tropical cyclone advisory on this system unless system re-intensifies
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


its ok to overhipe your observations, everybody does it..i did the same thing when i had my first beer



It only took you 1 beer for that to happen? Dang man you better stay away from alcohol...
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Quoting SPLbeater:



you have got to be a CPU.

until you take a step inside my church, dont even begin to critisize it. I have a very godly church that is bible based and has no BS involved. Our preacher is one of the best.

SO SHUT YOUR TRAP.


You fail to comprehend the problem.

I've heard that a HUNDRED TIMES, and guess what? Burnt.

EVERYONE SAYS THAT, you poor blind sheep.

I've been everywhere from the mega-church to the hole in the wall church on the corner, to the hole in the wall church in the remote campground 10 miles deep in the woods, and it's the same thing.

"My church is GOOOOOD, Bible based. TRUST ME! We're the real deal. Yup. That's us. Praise Jesus!!" - that's what every church says outwardly.




That's what I just got done explaining to you.

You may be honest and even correct, but I have no way to trust you anyway, moreover, you haven't given me, or anyone else, anything that would prove that to anyone.


I can't even get to the more important, intellectually honest, "Search your real heart and soul" questions about the problems in the integrity of the Bible itself, because you can't even seem to see the obvious stuff that's wrong with the "church", and I mean all denominations and non-denominations.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


you are certainly not at my house, and if you were i would run you off. you can not argue totals with me because your NOT here to measure yourself!

Maybe your a computer too...you trust it more then you do observations...


its ok to overhipe your observations, everybody does it..i did the same thing when i had my first beer
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Quoting uncwhurricane85:


his church is the best and its snowed 57 inches at his house last night!! NOT!


you are certainly not at my house, and if you were i would run you off. you can not argue totals with me because your NOT here to measure yourself!

Maybe your a computer too...you trust it more then you do observations...
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Quoting EllenPettit:
Oh, so sorry, TampaCat5, but I have you (and all your sockpuppets) blocked from WUmailing me. A dozen separate and obscene WUmails from a dozen separate handles in the past two days? Seriously? ;-)

Nea - you have wumail.
changing the quoted text to further obfuscate? here, let me correct that for you, though TampaCat5 surely knows by now Nea wasn't talking to him.... "Oh, so sorry, Cat5Hurricane, but I have you (and all your sockpuppets) blocked from WUmailing me. A dozen separate and obscene WUmails from a dozen separate handles in the past two days? Seriously? ;-)" -quoting Nea
and now i ignore you, as i hope the rest of the blog does... (sorry for quoting the troll, no more food from me)
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1431. Patrap
The Video just now is the Extended Version.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


ya idk why argue with an HP computer.

some1 needs to git rid of that HP computer thats here..

oh wait, i know an idea. *runs over to ignore list*


I guess I'm not the only one who thinks a few posters here are advanced CP programs designed to create blog trouble...

Maybe its WATSON :0

lol jk



Anyways, there are actually some amazing Computers that are capable of simulating human conversation quite well, to where you might think its is a human. Technology has come so far even since I was young, and I'm just 21 years old.

We are truly in the Star Trek age, at this point the only thing stopping us from traveling throughout deep space in the next 20 years is the massive amount of money it would take to do so, lol.
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