Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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Good afternoon....heavy rains just started at my house in Mobile and it's dark - lol
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Quoting SPLbeater:
Another southern shift with the 18Z run of GFS....

NAM has me round the 3-4 inch mark at 18Z

I'm hoping for about a 550 mile shift north in the track
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Quoting SPLbeater:


i do NOT tell fairy tale stories, and i DO NOT tell lies.

name one then.
iam not sayin you say it i refer that you woud rather hear lies and fairy tale stories therfore talk lies and fairy tale stories
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
you tell lies,and beleive in fairy tale stories


i do NOT tell fairy tale stories, and i DO NOT tell lies.

name one then.
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Another southern shift with the 18Z run of GFS....

NAM has me round the 3-4 inch mark at 18Z
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
you tell lies,and beleive in fairy tale stories


No need for that.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


we have severe weather down south, we have 2 tropical cyclones in the southern indian....is this no concern or interest to you?

and your point is...?
you tell lies,and beleive in fairy tale stories
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Quoting EllenPettit:

Their elevation in the Blue Ridge and Smoky Mountain Ranges--relative to the geographical region--greatly enhances annual totals.


righto, yes i see many 5,500+ peaks in that area, and of course mt. mitchell.....are you in Louisiana? if so how much rain have you had today
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Quoting RTSplayer:


I'm not the only one talks about other topics.

Besides, the severe weather threat was over hyped.

there's nothing going on right now.


we have severe weather down south, we have 2 tropical cyclones in the southern indian....is this no concern or interest to you?
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
better than talking lies,and other fairy tale stories and such


and your point is...?
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Quoting EllenPettit:

Not quite half, but a good chuck of it, nonetheless. ;-)

click on image to enlarge:



thanks....i had no idea the area around asheville, nc recieves 70-80 inches a year
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Quoting Jedkins01:


There is the assumption that because weather prediction has improved, that means we can now rely on predictions of climate 40 to 60 years into the future, its so ridiculous that its comical, really, lol.,


What's ridiculous is your abject refusal to even attempt to understand the science. You don't even know what you're talking about. And worse, you don't even want to know. The IPCC report describes the models in layman's terms. They don't use weather models to predict climate. Weather models are not nearly robust enough. Nor are their outputs geared for producing climatological diagnostics.

You also seem to conveniently forget the fact that the climate models are only used for guidance. The scientists take the results from the models and integrate them into their research to produce likely climate scenarios. Climate models have never been, nor ever will be, the end all be all of climate science. They are simply a tool to be used.

Granted human beings have affected the global climate, but to what exact degree cannot really be known. There really is no way to be exactly sure how human damage will affect the global climate in the future as apposed to what it would have been without human contribution or now with human contribution natural climate shift.


Again you are demonstrating your ignorance of the science. Or just making stuff up. Either way, your statement is pure nonsense. Again, I refer you to the IPCC report which describes what we know and how we know it in terms that even a middle-school student can understand.

We can make educated guesses based on lab experiments and current climate and meteorological knowledge, but that's about it.


And again your ignorance continues to show. This is not how climate science is conducted, nor is it limited to only "current" conditions. There's even an entire branch of climate science called paleoclimatlogy, which explicitly studies the various climates from the Earth's history.


The climate of the earth is extremely complex, we as humans are just scratching the surface of this science of weather and climate, so when I am told that my home in the Tampa Bay area will be underwater from sea level rise when I am a grandfather, I do laugh. Not because I am a denier of climate change, no sir there is real science there indeed. But I laugh when people make these projections and treat them like they are fact.


Again you're quite incorrect. We have a pretty good understanding of the climate. Climate models do a pretty good job of replicating our climate over the past 200 years or so, and that's with using proxy data for areas that had sparse or no records.

You're laughing because you simply have no comprehension of climate science. Temperatures are warming. Ice packs are melting. The sea level is rising. You don't even need to be a climate scientist to recognize what's going to happen. Warmer global temperatures, regardless of cause, increases sea level height.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't have them, but they need to stay in the lab where they belong, not exist outside the lab as tools for political propaganda.


How old are you? You certainly seem to have very little grasp of how scientists operate or their actual influence on politics. Let me explain.

Politics is big business these days. In order to influence politics, you need money. Climate scientists do not have money. The don't have a multi-million dollar PR firm. They don't have someone like the Heartland Institute greasing palms and influencing school curricula. You can make more money being a programmer than being a climate scientist.

So here's how this game works. Congress calls for a hearing on climate science. The real scientists get called in and present their research. Then the bought and paid for congress-people (big donations from energy companies and like) call in their widely discredited "scientists". But they present science, mainly because they don't have any. Instead they attack the real scientists. They make up incorrect graphs, make baseless accusations, appeals to emotion, and basically any other nonsense their sugar daddies approve of.

And you know what happens? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And then congress cuts the science budget.

So your "political tool" argument is pure BS. Try watching C-SPAN when they have a climate science panel discussion. It's a joke. Half the idiots wouldn't even pass a basic high school science test and the other half are getting too much money to give a crap. And the worst part is the real scientists know it's a joke (try reading some of the books mentioned in this blog).

Science needs to get the heck out of politics, I love science, but we can't expect science to become the tool to save the planet, as soon as people are willing to give up their freedom in the name of "science" that's when things get really ugly.


The science wasn't IN politics. It was dragged there by the Manufactured FUD companies at the behest of Big Fossil Fuels.

You're either really young or really naive. Every time scientific results threatened profits from big companies, EVERY SINGLE TIME, without fail, this is what happens. The scientist are dragged through the mud. The science itself is denigrated and ridiculed. It gets hauled into politics and turned into a farce. The same thing happened with tobacco. The same thing happened with asbestos. The same thing happened with acid rain. The same thing happened with the ozone hole. In fact, the companies who did all the astro-turfing and FUD spreading before are THE SAME DAMN COMPANIES DOING IT NOW.

Eventually, public outcry reaches a point where politicians' self-preservation kicks in and only then is something done about it, usually years or decades after the fact.

Granted you may mock me, but I'm really not concerned about that. Unfortunately very few seem to pay close attention to history and how mankind gets into trouble, us humans so easily get caught up exchanging wisdom for some new school of thought that sounds exciting but really is a sugar coated remake of an already failed philosophy.


O_o

What are you talking about? Climate science, and in particular the greenhouse theory, has been around for over 120 years. It is not a new school of thought.

Its funny, people arrogantly act like science is opening the mind form blind religion and superstition, in some ways that's true. However for science is becoming a new religion whether you admit it or not, its a new god. Human beings always find their way back to religion one way or another, hmmm I wonder why that might be? There's nothing new under the sun, man.


Science is not a religion. Science is falsifiable. Religion is not. The theory of global warming exists because the results of over a century of research and observation provide evidence for the theory. Religions can make no such claim.

So let's recap. You are willfully ignorant of climate science, and wish to remain so. You've made a series of false assumptions and false allegations about the science. You've established no scientific premise nor presented any evidence for any of your positions. You contrived to show scientists as political tools, when it's simply not the case. And you are equating science with religion.

You have created a religion that is diametrically opposed to anything scientific in regards to this topic. No amount of scientific evidence, research or reasoning will alter your beliefs. There is no point in having any further discussion of this topic with you.
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Quoting bappit:
It is still raining in Louisiana.


thats crazy 20-25 inches in some parts of LA, ARK, and MISS, thats almost half of the years total average right?
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Quoting yqt1001:
Reading about Columbus, and something hit my eyes. If a chance occurrence had happened, the world would be VERY different. It's weather related also.



Those are the 4 voyages which changed history forever. Columbus used the trade winds surrounding the Azores high to help him along in his journeys, all of which were in the summer. You know what? Out of all the time he was out to sea, he managed to miss a hurricane. I can guarantee you that had he been hit by one and his crew killed, (especially on the first journey) colonization would've been delayed for decades or centuries allowing for a totally different world today.

Then again, the world we have today is pure luck.


On 5 December 1502, Columbus and his crew found themselves in a storm unlike any they had ever experienced. In his journal Columbus writes,

For nine days I was as one lost, without hope of life. Eyes never beheld the sea so angry, so high, so covered with foam. The wind not only prevented our progress, but offered no opportunity to run behind any headland for shelter; hence we were forced to keep out in this bloody ocean, seething like a pot on a hot fire. Never did the sky look more terrible; for one whole day and night it blazed like a furnace, and the lightning broke with such violence that each time I wondered if it had carried off my spars and sails; the flashes came with such fury and frightfulness that we all thought that the ship would be blasted. All this time the water never ceased to fall from the sky; I do not say it rained, for it was like another deluge. The men were so worn out that they longed for death to end their dreadful suffering.[61]
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It is still raining in Louisiana.
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Carbin's on a roll this afternoon.



URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 30
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
300 PM CST SAT FEB 18 2012

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

SOUTHEAST ALABAMA
FLORIDA PANHANDLE
SOUTHWEST GEORGIA
COASTAL WATERS

EFFECTIVE THIS SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 300 PM UNTIL
900 PM CST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND
GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE
AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 70 STATUTE
MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES EAST SOUTHEAST OF
MARIANNA FLORIDA TO 40 MILES NORTHWEST OF PANAMA CITY FLORIDA.
FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH
OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU0).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 28...WW 29...

DISCUSSION...BROKEN QUASI-LINEAR MCS CURRENTLY ACROSS SOUTHEAST
LA/MS SHOULD CONTINUE EAST AT UP TO 50KT ALONG A W-E WARM FRONT
SITUATED JUST INLAND FROM THE GULF COAST. THIS MCS LEADS A POTENT
UPR SHORTWAVE TROUGH THAT WAS DRIVING SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS OVER THE
NWRN GULF ATTM. LOCAL/STORM SCALE FORCING WITH THE LEADING SYSTEM
WILL ACT ON MARGINALLY UNSTABLE AIR MASS ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE
WATCH AREA OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS TO SUPPORT A CHANCE FOR DAMAGING
WINDS AND PERHAPS A COUPLE OF TORNADOES. SEVERE WEATHER THREAT MAY
PERSIST BEYOND THIS INITIAL ACTIVITY AND INTO THE NIGHT AS THE
SURFACE LOW DEEPENS AND MOVES ENEWD FROM THE GULF TO SRN/CNTRL AL
LATE TONIGHT AND COLD FRONT MOVES EAST...PERHAPS PRECEDED BY STRONG
TO SEVERE STORMS IN THE FORM OF A SQUALL LINE.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 1.5 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
500. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 24035.


...CARBIN
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L’Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site of NEWFOUNDLAND/Canada


The reconstructions of three Norse buildings are the focal point of this archaeological site, the earliest known European settlement in the New World. The archaeological remains at the site were declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1978. Exhibits highlight the Viking lifestyle, artifacts, and the archaeological discovery of the site. Visitors can also explore the hiking trails to nearby bays and lakes.
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Allegedly, the Knights Templar and the Vikings had already been as far inland as the Great Lakes and mid-west before Columbus even made his voyage.

While the Kensington stone is probably a fraud, there is enough other evidence to support the idea that the Templar made several voyages to the New England and Canadian regions, including additional rune stones along the east coast and a few inland in the Great lakes region.


Still, I agree, without the power and influence of the Spanish and English royal families, starting with Columbus and going forward, the western hemisphere would be a very different place.


I don't doubt that the Vikings were the first Europeans on the new world. Although, even had they existed until the time of the 1500s, they would've been doubted by the rest of Europe and their settlements destroyed, in a similar fashion as the natives, not really affecting the course of history...other than the fact that Europe would've had to dealt with them for a longer period of time, probably delaying Western influence on the new world.

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Quoting BobWallace:


This started when I posted the factual statement that more than 50% of the methane now released is due to human activity. I gave you a link for that claim. [You must be thinking of someone else.]

Now, whether the methane is from vegetation or "minerals" is not important. What is important is that humans are more than doubling the methane in our atmospheric.[I have no opinion on that.]

I don't quite get your classification of natural gas as a mineral. Natural gas, like coal and oil, comes from plant/animal sources. Peat is certainly not a mineral by any stretch of the imagination. [You never played twenty questions! It ain't alive (animal or vegetable) so it must be mineral.]
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Quoting EllenPettit:

Was hoping that warm front would have stalled out a bit; but then again, no one--at least that I know of--wants to be at the mercy of flash flooding. ;-)


Yeah Flash Flooding sucks ;-)
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5.56" so far for February for me. Need lots more of this.
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Quoting yqt1001:
Reading about Columbus, and something hit my eyes. If a chance occurrence had happened, the world would be VERY different. It's weather related also.



Those are the 4 voyages which changed history forever. Columbus used the trade winds surrounding the Azores high to help him along in his journeys, all of which were in the summer. You know what? Out of all the time he was out to sea, he managed to miss a hurricane. I can guarantee you that had he been hit by one and his crew killed, (especially on the first journey) colonization would've been delayed for decades or centuries allowing for a totally different world today.

Then again, the world we have today is pure luck.


Allegedly, the Knights Templar and the Vikings had already been as far inland as the Great Lakes and mid-west before Columbus even made his voyage.

While the Kensington stone is probably a fraud, there is enough other evidence to support the idea that the Templar made several voyages to the New England and Canadian regions, including additional rune stones along the east coast and a few inland in the Great lakes region.


Still, I agree, without the power and influence of the Spanish and English royal families, starting with Columbus and going forward, the western hemisphere would be a very different place.
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Quoting EllenPettit:

My three inch rain gauge overtopped over at Tiki Island. Hey, fine by me. ;-)


Got a nasty heavy mist falling, can't be seen on radar since it's not rain. But everything wet and using windshield wipers. Will see how Mardi Gras is tonight in Galveston
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Quoting SPLbeater:
RTS, are you on wunderground to talk about weather n such, or are you here to stirr up trouble by talking about war, politics, and things around that line? Or did you get Wudnerground confused with MSNMC somehow?
better than talking lies,and other fairy tale stories and such
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Here's my latest snowfall prediction map. Thoughts?


That's about right. Though I'm losing confidence that I'll even see 2" here in MD (by Baltimore).
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Ahh a delicious 2.14" of liquid water for me today
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Reading about Columbus, and something hit my eyes. If a chance occurrence had happened, the world would be VERY different. It's weather related also.



Those are the 4 voyages which changed history forever. Columbus used the trade winds surrounding the Azores high to help him along in his journeys, all of which were in the summer. You know what? Out of all the time he was out to sea, he managed to miss a hurricane. I can guarantee you that had he been hit by one and his crew killed, (especially on the first journey) colonization would've been delayed for decades or centuries allowing for a totally different world today.

Then again, the world we have today is pure luck.
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NWS has issued some winter storm warnings for some areas of VA, WV, and even northwestern NC
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New England Coastal Snow Event...
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Quoting RTSplayer:


I'm not the only one talks about other topics.

Besides, the severe weather threat was over hyped.

there's nothing going on right now.


i know all this talk of this HUGE severe/snow storm happening this weekend! its just rain people, no confirmed tornadoes, its a decent squall line, and im south of d.c. i doubt we even get snow, ill gladly eat my words when my yard is white!!!
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BLOG POLICE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Quoting SPLbeater:
RTS, are you on wunderground to talk about weather n such, or are you here to stirr up trouble by talking about war, politics, and things around that line? Or did you get Wudnerground confused with MSNMC somehow?


I'm not the only one talks about other topics.

Besides, the severe weather threat was over hyped.

there's nothing going on right now.
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RTS, are you on wunderground to talk about weather n such, or are you here to stirr up trouble by talking about war, politics, and things around that line? Or did you get Wudnerground confused with MSNMC somehow?
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