Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:




Think all this might have an impact on weather?


Even the cement bombs droped in Vieques PR had serious consequences not only on the people but on the ecosystem. Planet earth is interconected. We are receiving diluted Fukushima rad. even here in the Caribbean, not to mention W Conus that is closer. Wars contaminate. Contamination affects weather. GW or Climate change, whatever people want to call it is the consequence and effect of all the contamination that industrialization including wars, have upon earth. (if we get into a nuclear war, that would be suicidal)
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Quoting sunlinepr:
Russia an China are cloning US technology... this is one of their clones....




New Russian Armored Vehicle Can Withstand Eight-Kilogram TNT Blast

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Russian Strategic Bomber Conducts High-Accuracy Simulated Attack

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Think all this might have an impact on weather?
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night all! be back tomorrow mornin!
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Quoting SPLbeater:
OK. I LOVE THE 00Z RUN OF GFS!! it gives me 4.8 iches of snow!!


:D:D:D:D


Where is this for???
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and here is natrwalkn's forecast..incase he is hangin around..
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Study: Rocky Flats area still as contaminated with plutonium as 40 years ago
Boulder's Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center hires contractor to test soil for plutonium
By Laura Snider, Camera Staff Writer Posted: 02/18/2012 12:15:51 PM MST Updated: 02/18/2012 05:51:11 PM MST

Driven by concerns that running the Jefferson Parkway across a strip of land along the eastern edge of the Rocky Flats Wildlife Refuge would stir up clouds of plutonium-laden dust, Boulder's Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center commissioned a study last fall to gauge contamination levels in the area.

The newly released results show the area is as contaminated by radioactive plutonium now as it was 40 years ago, before the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons plant, which operated on that site, was closed and cleaned up.

"The material is still there; it's still on the surface," said Marco Kaltofen, president of Boston Chemical Data Corp., the contractor hired by the Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center.

Still, officials with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment insist the amount of plutonium contamination at the eastern edge of the site is well below levels that would be dangerous to human health.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife service, which manages the refuge, agreed in December to a land swap that would add 617 acres to the refuge's southwest border in exchange for giving up a 300-foot-wide right of way along the refuge's eastern edge, adjacent to Indiana Street. The right of way would be used to build the proposed Jefferson Parkway, which would nearly complete a beltway around the Denver metro area.

Though the land swap is now being held up by several lawsuits -- including one filed by the cities of Golden and Superior, and another, filed last week, by two environmental groups -- Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center officials fear that any construction in the area could be dangerous.

The center joined other concerned citizens in asking the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to test the soils on the strip of land that would be used for the parkway.

When federal officials said they planned to rely on testing of the area that was done in the past, Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center hired its own contractor to test the soils. But after being denied access to the refuge for testing, that contractor was forced to take samples from just outside the fence along Indiana Street.

The results show that the plutonium contamination in the area is roughly the same now as it was four decades ago, according to Kaltofen.

"Essentially, what people found back in the '70s is still true," Kaltofen said. "There is a locus of plutonium contamination on the eastern side of the Rocky Flats site -- this is material beyond the fence line that pretty much follows Indiana north and south -- that hasn't changed."
Kaltofen said the finding is surprising because he would have predicted that weathering over the decades, especially from the area's stiff winds, would have dispersed the particles over time.
"One explanation is that there's as much material coming from the central part of the site that's replacing any material that's eroding or blowing away," he said.

Background levels

Kaltofen's results showed levels of plutonium isotopes in the area ranged from 0.019 picoCuries per gram of soil to 1.579 picoCuries per gram. By contrast, Kaltofen said the background plutonium contamination in the West tends to be no more than 0.01 picoCuries per gram.

But the question of how much background radiation is "normal" is contested, according to LeRoy Moore, a longtime nuclear watchdog with Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center. He says the baseline background radiation level that set the standard for the Rocky Flats cleanup was 0.04 picoCuries per gram of soil, four times the amount that Kaltofen believes is the average for the West.

"If the average background really should be lower, then maybe the cleanup is not as protective (as it should be)," said Moore.

But the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says the amount of plutonium contamination found in the soil in the right of way is not at unsafe levels.

The agency based its statement on older measurements -- which Kaltofen and Moore agree are similar to recent observations -- and sought expertise from both the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment.

In a joint letter written last September, officials with the EPA and Colorado's health department say that the risk of excessive cancer incidence for people who work at the refuge is below standards set by the state and the federal Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act.

The two agencies point out that a construction worker might have a greater exposure to the plutonium through inhaling dust than an average refuge worker, but they also note that construction workers will be exposed to the contamination for much shorter periods of time.

"Due to the very short exposure duration, the very low levels of residual plutonium on the strip of land proposed for transfer and the calculated low radiation dose, the risk to a construction worker would be at or below (that of a regular refuge worker)," the letter reads.

Risks of exposure

David Lucas, chief of refuge planning for Rocky Flats, said the agency took the possible risks of plutonium contamination very seriously and that the Fish and Wildlife Service's efforts to reach out to the EPA and the Colorado health department reflect that.

"At the end of the day, the Fish and Wildlife Service gave this a hard look," he said. "We didn't rubber stamp anything. I think our comfort level is where it needs to be."

Moore said he disagreed with the Fish and Wildlife Service's standards for how much plutonium exposure is safe.

"I don't think the standards that exist protect the public or protect the workers," he said.

Moore said he has shared his recent testing results with the Fish and Wildlife Service, and he's calling for the government to take a closer look at what background radiation levels should really be set at.
And in the meantime, he's also considering what the Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center's next move should be if the pending lawsuits fail to stop the project from going forward.
"We're watching the situation with the Jefferson Parkway closely, and we're working with other people and other organizations to think about the best approaches we need to take to make sure the public is well-informed about the danger of plutonium," Moore said.
Contact Camera Staff Writer Laura Snider at 303-473-1327 or sniderl@dailycamera.com.
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OK. I LOVE THE 00Z RUN OF GFS!! it gives me 4.8 iches of snow!!


:D:D:D:D
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923. emguy
Here in Raleigh, the National Weather Service said we'd get .5 IN at 8PM, 1 IN at 10, now they are saying we get 1-2 IN on their page...Now that's an upward trend...All I know is this...it means we either get nothing, or we get a foot plus. Who the heck knows right now! Until those bands set up, its all up in the air.
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Russia an China are cloning US technology... this is one of their clones....




New Russian Armored Vehicle Can Withstand Eight-Kilogram TNT Blast

Link

Russian Strategic Bomber Conducts High-Accuracy Simulated Attack

Link
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Quoting SPLbeater:


is somebody talking negative about me again? hmm, they must be on ignore cuz i aint seen notin :D
Nope it ain't all about you. ;) Other folks can get under my skin. Got to confess that I may be wound a little tight right now.

What this has to do with weather is that I just gained another grandbaby tonight and this storm may be between me and him. Unlikely but checked in here to get caught up on the chatter (I hoped) and encountered Geo-political Ignorance.
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ok im out be back soon..briefly..:D
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Quoting natrwalkn:


Thanks again!


ur welcome. 2 mins n i gots to go. but will sign back in round 12:30 er so to check on GFS runs. i reckon i might post your graph for 00Z if its increased..lol.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


here is GFS total for you from 18Z. awaiting the 00Z


Like i say, Greensboro has a good impression this system lol xD

and yur welcome


Thanks again!
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Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:


Then why do you. People (justifiably), hammer on SPLbeater for bringing religion on to the blog. ENOUGH WITH THIS SABER RATTLING. And fwiw that is the first time I have shouted on this blog.


is somebody talking negative about me again? hmm, they must be on ignore cuz i aint seen notin :D
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Quoting natrwalkn:
SPLbeater, Thanks for the link, though!


here is GFS total for you from 18Z. awaiting the 00Z


Like i say, Greensboro has a good impression this system lol xD

and yur welcome
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Quoting RTSplayer:
Russian commander says U.S. fleet more than Iran can handle

this is old, but look at the silly comment on reply 2.

There hasn't been a U.S. navy ship sunk in combat since WWII.


this guy think they're going to beat destroyers and aircraft carriers with something not much bigger than a fishing boat?

I wonder if they even have anything theoretically capable of hitting one of our ships? I mean besides suicide bombers on speed boats...


Actually... I would bet money if the Iranians decided to fight... you will loose some ships.

You can take the best defended ships in the world (Arleigh Burke class destroyer a good example). it has 96 cell missile launcher... and not all of them are loaded with SAM's.

Iran has in excess of 4000 SSM.. most of them either shore based or based on small missile boats. Its called a saturation attack...

Don't forget the Kilo class submarines... which every Western navy is afraid of... there is nothing in the world quieter and harder to find.

I won't even mention mines, you already know about them.

You do the math...
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SPLbeater, Thanks for the link, though!
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895. Patrap 4:40 AM GMT on February 19, 2012 +1
Iran hostage crisis

..beware the Ides of March


(The former US embassy, Tehran, Iran, as it appears today (2004). Photo by Bertil Videt)
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my comment
march fourth when it comes to power
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Quoting SPLbeater:


Link


Ewww. Those graphics aren't much better. Such a rough map when such small differences mean so much in a storm like this.
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Quoting RTSplayer:
The Muslims teamed up and made an unprovoked attack against Israel in the 6 days war, and got their tales kicked.

That's why they hate Israel.


I still don't know why the Iranians would put their ships in the Mediterranean unless they think they have some sort of double-team or back-stab about to happen in their favor.

This posturing and war-mongering card hasn't worked for any of the other failed regimes lately, why do they always resort to this nonsense?


Then why do you. People (justifiably), hammer on SPLbeater for bringing religion on to the blog. ENOUGH WITH THIS SABER RATTLING. And fwiw that is the first time I have shouted on this blog.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Less than an inch.



im going to pretend like i ddint see that. im going to pretend, like i havnt seen the 00z run yet.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


the 18Z run of GFS earlier gave you like 4.3 inches..

you shouldnt worry to much about not getting snow:)

im in a different spot, so...


So does that mean I'm gonna get heavy thundersnow with frequent, deadly lightning with accumulations of over a foot? :) LOL
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Quoting natrwalkn:


Why not? Can you give me some good graphics? I don' subscribe to any special weather sites. From what I see on the latest run of the GFS here on WU, it doesn't look like much change. Can't see much detail with those rough graphics though.


Link
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The best way I find out local evolving Weather downstream is by clicking on the Scientific Forecaster Discussion on ones local wu page.

NWS Scientific Forecaster Discussion, New Orleans
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Quoting natrwalkn:


Why not? Can you give me some good graphics? I don' subscribe to any special weather sites. From what I see on the latest run of the GFS here on WU, it doesn't look like much change. Can't see much detail with those rough graphics though.


the 18Z run of GFS earlier gave you like 4.3 inches..

you shouldnt worry to much about not getting snow:)

im in a different spot, so...
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Quoting SPLbeater:



im waiting for the entire loop to be loaded onto coolwx.com so i can see what my accumulation totals are. i think i git something..

Less than an inch.

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Quoting Patrap:
I am just curious as to how they faked the physical observations. Like the Arctic sea ice melting to greater extremes. The thawing of the tundras. The methane beginning to be released from the Arctic sea floor. Rapidly melting glaciers. Sea level rise. You know. The trivial things such as these. ... Scientist may also be magicians?

Shuck's, I saw a Politician who made a whole Train/Rail System Disappear once.

: )


True dat, Pat. Inhofe is trying to make our future generations disappear.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The 00Z GFS gives me no snow...at all....:\


Still hoping for snow even though winter is coming to an end? :P I for one can't wait until it all melts. The melting season is very depressing for me, and I just want it to be all gone as quick as possible.
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Quoting SPLbeater:
i dont like the 00Z GFS run! NAM is better...


Why not? Can you give me some good graphics? I don' subscribe to any special weather sites. From what I see on the latest run of the GFS here on WU, it doesn't look like much change. Can't see much detail with those rough graphics though.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The 00Z GFS gives me no snow...at all....:\



im waiting for the entire loop to be loaded onto coolwx.com so i can see what my accumulation totals are. i think i git something..
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I am just curious as to how they faked the physical observations. Like the Arctic sea ice melting to greater extremes. The thawing of the tundras. The methane beginning to be released from the Arctic sea floor. Rapidly melting glaciers. Sea level rise. You know. The trivial things such as these. ... Scientist may also be magicians?

Shuck's, I saw a Politician who made a whole Train/Rail System Disappear once.

: )
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The 00Z GFS gives me no snow...at all....:\
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Quoting BobWallace:


That's an amazing sample of people Rasmusen tapped into.

The idea that scientists manipulate their data to force outcomes. It shows how little some people know about the scientific process.

Every few years some scientist is found to have faked data and very quickly they are tossed out onto the trash heap.

There's no better way to loose your job and destroy your career than to fake data. It's almost impossible to fake or manage data and get away with it. Other people are going to study the same phenomenon and soon the discrepancies are obvious.







I am just curious as to how they faked the physical observations. Like the Arctic sea ice melting to greater extremes. The thawing of the tundras. The methane beginning to be released from the Arctic sea floor. Rapidly melting glaciers. Sea level rise. You know. The trivial things such as these. ... Scientist may also be magicians?
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Quoting SPLbeater:
i dont like the 00Z GFS run! NAM is better...


so far, that is.
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Iran hostage crisis

..beware the Ides of March


(The former US embassy, Tehran, Iran, as it appears today (2004). Photo by Bertil Videt)
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Climate Change Denialists: Changing data for their advantage since 1900!


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i dont like the 00Z GFS run! NAM is better...
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The commander of the Iranian Navy says the country’s 18th Fleet has sailed through Egypt’s Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean Sea.


Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari made the remarks during a meeting with Iranian Navy commanders and personnel on Saturday.

“The Navy’s 18th fleet will… carry the message of peace and friendship to regional countries and display the might of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” he stated.

Sayyari said that this is the second time that an Iranian naval fleet has passed through the Suez Canal since the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

He noted that the mission shows that the sanctions the enemies imposed on the country have not hindered Iran’s scientific progress and military capabilities.

Iran's Navy has increased its presence in international waters since last year, deploying vessels in the Indian Ocean and sending two ships to the Mediterranean Sea for the first time in February 2011 via the Suez Canal.

In addition, in line with international efforts to combat piracy, the Iranian Navy has been conducting anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden since November 2008 to safeguard vessels involved in maritime trade, and especially ships and oil tankers owned or leased by Iran.

AS/HGL

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Two Iranian Navy’s ships have docked in the Syrian port of Tartus to provide maritime training to Syria’s naval forces under an agreement signed between Tehran and Damascus a year ago.


The Iranian fleet, consisting of a destroyer and a supply ship, arrived at Tartus port, situated 220 kilometers (136 miles) northwest of the Syrian capital Damascus, on Friday a day after they received permission from the Egyptian armed forces to sail along the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean Sea on their way to the Syrian coast, Mehr News Agency reported on Saturday.

Iran's Navy has increased its presence in international waters since last year, deploying vessels in the Indian Ocean and sending two ships to the Mediterranean Sea for the first time in February 2011 via the Suez Canal.

Meanwhile, the Iranian Navy -- in line with international efforts against piracy - has been conducting anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden since November 2008 to safeguard maritime trade and in particular ships and oil tankers owned or leased by Iran.

Last May, International Maritime Organization (IMO) Secretary General Efthimios E. Mitropoulos described the anti-piracy efforts by Iran's Navy as “effective.”

MP/AZ/MA
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890. JRRP
Quoting Tazmanian:
i really really think EL nino is trying too fourm and if it dos fourm this could be a strong one


check this out


this is from 2-2-12






here is now



strong???
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Quoting Patrap:




Interesting Low Configuration
sure looks like the gulf coast of florida gets some action tomorrow, they already have lake wind advisories out for tomorrow, cant have the north have all the fun huh
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still got my red balloon on my wrist...lol
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watching that 00Z GFS....
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By Steve Gutterman

MOSCOW | Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:41am GMT

Russian general: Iran's enemies to decide course soon
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Quoting RTSplayer:
The Muslims teamed up and made an unprovoked attack against Israel in the 6 days war, and got their tales kicked.

That's why they hate Israel.


I still don't know why the Iranians would put their ships in the Mediterranean unless they think they have some sort of double-team or back-stab about to happen in their favor.

This posturing and war-mongering card hasn't worked for any of the other failed regimes lately, why do they always resort to this nonsense?
unknown sources at the suez canal cossing office state they are headed for a area offshore of syria in a show of support an assistance to that nation
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Russian commander says U.S. fleet more than Iran can handle

this is old, but look at the silly comment on reply 2.

There hasn't been a U.S. navy ship sunk in combat since WWII.


this guy think they're going to beat destroyers and aircraft carriers with something not much bigger than a fishing boat?

I wonder if they even have anything theoretically capable of hitting one of our ships? I mean besides suicide bombers on speed boats...
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Quoting HurrikanEB:


there are so many things wrong with that graphic, that half of it makes me want to find an appropriate blog and rant about it, and the other half wants to make me get up and leave the computer.


It's a Rasmusen survey. He frequently produces very skewed outcomes. If you pay attention to his political poll outcomes he will very often present some numbers that are very much in favor of right wing candidates and causes. Especially some months/weeks prior to elections.

As election dates approach Rasmusen's polls tend to move closer to what other pollsters are reporting.

Check sites such as Pollster which collect poll results from many different polling companies. If you see that Bush's/Palin's/Romney's favorably scores are much higher for one individual poll take a look at which firm did that survey. It will almost always be either a Rasmusen or Fox poll.

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Quoting sunlinepr:


What has been documented and is the reason why US and Israel are taking this serious is that they have not only the knowhow of good scientists but are using 6,000 centrifuges to concentrat Uranium and they are adding 3,000, to a total of 9,000 working 24/7....


It takes a lot of centrifuges and a lot of spinning to refine enough uranium to make a single bomb.
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The 00Z NAM is being nice to me and gives me accumulating snow. Please, please, please be right.

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The 00Z nam drops me 4 inches 0.o
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